I . . Did Not Know That

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yakko 156 points a year ago

I've become increasingly preoccupied with the idea that dudes in denial about their sexuality are actually the most dangerous people in the world

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Krudler 79 points a year ago

I completely agree and I have personal experiences to back that up

I feel like men who have not been allowed to explore their sexuality in a safe way become extremely angry, frustrated, and dangerous

That's why I feel like homophobia is something that should be less reviled, and more looked at as a trauma inflicted on the homophobe

This comes from somebody who works in social services, and I myself am non-binary. I know it's hard to look at the hate that comes from homophobia with compassion, but I feel like it's necessary in order for society to heal from it

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MBM 25 points a year ago

Beware the trap of saying straight people can't be homophobic

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pelespirit 4 points a year ago

eh? What would that look like?

That’s why I feel like homophobia is something that should be less reviled, and more looked at as a trauma inflicted on the homophobe

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Krudler 4 points a year ago

Not entirely sure... but I think you have an issue with the premise of my statement first, if you'd like to discuss that?

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pelespirit 6 points a year ago

No, I don't understand what you're saying. What would "looking at as a trauma," look? Would they go to therapy for the trauma inflicted on them for being hateful? I don't know what you're saying.

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TankovayaDiviziya 1 point a year ago

There are secret homosexuals who are homophobes because they have been bullied. Some are openly gay but are self-hating because of bullying as well. To put it succinctly, there are self-hating gays because they have internalised the oppression, and that is manifestation of trauma.

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pelespirit 1 point a year ago

Absolutely, but what is the use of knowing that information? What can anyone do about it.

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Noise7 28 points a year ago

I see where you’re coming from. I had the same thought a couple of times.

I still feel there are tons of miserable closeted people that wouldn’t hurt a fly, though, so I think it’s probably at best an extreme minority.

I can’t shake the strange feeling that love is in fact a resources that is very scarce. And that with enough love for every human being at all times, a huge majority of humanity’s problems would simply disappear.

There are a certain percent of people who simply can’t love, or be loved, though. Those would need to be treated as persons with special needs, but also, kinda on a watchlist.

Sadly, there’s currently no way for every human to feel the huge amount of love they’d need. Because of social rules, of the natural mammal tendency to exert sexual discrimination, or simply because life can hurt so much and in so many cruel ways.

The closest I would see to a fully loved world in the future would be AI-driven love, so an ultimately hollow, cold, and fake love instead of the flawed, human one.

I guess love is truly all you need.

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picnicolas 16 points a year ago

I’ve learned to give myself the love I needed through meditation practice, in particular the Ideal Parent Protocol in which you imagine idealized parents loving you just the way you needed but never received. Since doing those practices, along with self love and compassion, I am now able to show up in my relationships with much more compassion and love.

Love is actually infinitely abundant and surrounding us always but trauma closes us off from that reality.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 8 points a year ago

i feel a need to remind you:

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prettybunnys 17 points a year ago

Anyone who has to hide a core part of who they are is automatically at a disadvantage from a “basic survival” standpoint.

It pits you against yourself and against the world.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 7 points a year ago

grew up in a cult, can confirm.

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tuff_wizard 97 points a year ago

Ehhh. If the left is always complaing about the right believing fake news and outrage bait I think we should also resist the temptation to engage in the same thing.

A note a tumblr with a "trust me bro" source should not be considered as true, especially when the contents is a far fetched as this.

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SkyezOpen 39 points a year ago

Nick fuentes literally dated a catboy. This is not a step further than that.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 6 points a year ago

wait who released the prototypes

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CheesyFox 3 points a year ago

area 51 raiders, obvy

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GraniteM 5 points a year ago

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alsaaas 26 points a year ago

IDK about that specific groyper thing, but homofascism exists and has existed since the very beginning of fascism

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homesweethomeMrL 18 points a year ago

Fair. So. Who’s looking into this?

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if_only 32 points a year ago

I tried fact checking this when I first saw it yesterday and haven't been able to verify it. The closest I found was them making homophobic jokes about this subject but no evidence it's practiced.

I think the claim is bogus. If the evidence oop is using is those jokes then the the evidence is very weak.

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Godric 16 points a year ago

Being OP, ideally you.

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QuoVadisHomines 5 points a year ago

The girl that I fucked from Canada told me it was legit bro. There's no better source than that brah /s

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Sturgist 4 points a year ago

I'm from Canada, I know that chick, she's totally right...well known fact in Canada!

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Trainguyrom 4 points a year ago

Honestly the whole thing set my bullshit sensors off immediately, but I would have a hard time believing that out of tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of viewers that there weren't anyone who happened to hook up with each other. People tend to have sex with each other, and thats just the reality of the human condition

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tuff_wizard 5 points a year ago

Sure. I'm 100% sure there some "red-pilled hard right" guys who are into fem boys and cat things and are gay and pretty much anything else, because that's just how life is.

Wether they'll admit that to others or even themselves is another issue.

But I don't believe there is some group systematically organising fem boys for the purpose of whatever the op wrote.

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Trainguyrom 2 points a year ago

Yeah all of the details in OOP were a bit too silly and specific and are almost definitely made up

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DragonTypeWyvern 1 point a year ago

You ever looked into cult beliefs?

There is nothing a fringe group can believe that is too stupid to be real.

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burntbacon 76 points a year ago

I'm going to need more proof than a tumblr shitpost. There's no way you're going to groom someone who wants to be masculine into being feminine, ala femboys, and especially not to offer themselves to the others.

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Voroxpete 38 points a year ago

I mean, sissy culture is a huge thing. That part I know for a fact. Whether Groypers, specifically, are into this stuff is not something I'm in a position to comment on, but yeah, sissies are big queer subculture.

Basically it's a very fucked up, very right wing tradwife adjacent take on queerness and transness. The thing here is the guys who are getting into this are the kind of guys who, on some level, really do want to embrace their identity as either a queer man, or a trans woman, but have grown up in such a toxic environment that they've never been able to engage with those parts of themselves in a healthy way. So first they try to perform masculinity the way they're supposed to, but it doesn't fix their problems so then they accept this new role as "the sissy", a kind of failure state for performative masculinity that they sort of get bullied into a sort of "Oh no, please don't force me to eat all this chocolate cake" kind of way. By becoming the "victims" of this transformation into enforced womanhood they get to live out their inner desires in a way that's compatible with the societal expectations around them.

Of course, the way these people preform feminity is entirely in line with their completely fucked right wing views on women, so it's this hyper-degrading "Make me a sandwich and then give me a blowjob while I play CoD" male fantasy version of womanhood. That's a big part of what makes this so appealing to hyper-masculine right wing guys; you'll be hard pressed to find anyone more committed to being the perfect right wing male ideal of a woman than another right wing man.

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alsaaas 24 points a year ago

You'll be hard pressed to find anyone more committed to being the perfect right wing male ideal of a woman than another right wing man.

Quote worthy shit right here

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wide_eyed_stupid 7 points a year ago

This is really interesting.

I mean, fucked up and disturbing, yes, but fascinating.

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captainlezbian 3 points a year ago

Are they really huge as far as queer subcultures go? Like I've met one irl, but they've always seemed small and like they skewed older. But also it makes sense that I wouldn't meet many mostly hanging out in leather scenes

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Voroxpete 3 points a year ago

Big enough to have a significant online presence, but they don't exactly overlap with other queer scenes much. If the average sissy had any healthy exposure to most parts of our culture, they probably wouldn't be sissies. It's a form of queerness almost entirely predicated on self-hatred.

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candy_colors 3 points a year ago

In short, men taking advantage of minorities, nothing new

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Rooty -1 points a year ago

You're overthinking a fetish thing. Dudes who are into it are mostly doing it for sexual thrills and the tabooness of it is part of the appeal.

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Tippon 38 points a year ago

I don't know, there's generations of anecdotal experience from private schools. Even when I was a kid 30+ years ago it was a common thing to hear, that rich schoolboys buggered the younger boys*, who then took their turn when they were older. It was a common joke in media from the 60s and 70s, which would suggest that it was happening in at least the 30s and 40s.

Obviously it is anecdotal, and could have just been the joke spreading, but British and American media made the same observation for a long time.

*They buggered each other, because nobody would be crude enough to suggest sex, and especially not love! These boys were the future of the British Empire don't you know! Stiff upper lip and all that.

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fuckwit_mcbumcrumble 17 points a year ago

There’s no way you’re going to groom someone who wants to be masculine into being feminine

Who says they actually wanted to be masculine? What if they just wanted to fit in, and that was how they thought they could?

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Voroxpete 1 point a year ago
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JackbyDev 8 points a year ago

So, this isn't really proof or a source, but it's possibly more like grooming people who are closeted trans/non binary (or maybe even before they realize they're closeted). So it could be people that already want to be feminine but aren't really aware of it. So imagine a young amab person who's been bullied into being masculine despite wanting to be feminine. Ending up in such a community would make them a target for this type of grooming.

Just thinking out loud how it might go down. Because I agree, I don't think it'd be easy to just convince someone who wants to be masculine to be feminine.

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ranzispa 1 point a year ago

Why wouldn't they just pay a prostitute? This seems way too convoluted.

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petrol_sniff_king 7 points a year ago

The fascists? Because paying a woman is feminism. They want to take what they're owed, not engage in mutually beneficial business. I think a lot of them would consider having to suffer a prostitute, to pay money for something their chad brethren would never, ever have to pay for, to be immasculating.

I'm sure there are plenty of fascists who do pay for prostitutes, but for the ones above? Much like straight people being coy and indirect, and playing chase with each other: they just like the way the pagentry makes them feel.

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JackbyDev 2 points a year ago

Some probably do.

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homesweethomeMrL 2 points a year ago

Well I hope you'll keep us updated

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Fandangalo 52 points a year ago path: 0 20030088, hotness: undefined, score: 52, children: 4
sudo 29 points a year ago

How is transmaxxing being used to perpetuate transphobia?

The problem with the “transmaxxing” theory is that it does not contend with the realities of living as a trans woman in a systemically transphobic and misogynistic world. Trans people are subjected to disproportionately higher rates of violence and experience increased levels of housing insecurity in comparison to their peers. Contrary to these statistical realities, Vintologi writes “trans women will benefit from the increasing female privilege.” This supposed privilege has no factual basis as all women are still the subject of discrimination and violence (sexual and otherwise) on the basis of their sex, while being paid an average of 85 cents on the dollar when compared to their cis male counterparts.

Highlighting this section for people.

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captainlezbian 4 points a year ago

And it should be noted that trans women in particular face an extreme brunt of it. My life drastically improved by transitioning, but materially it had an immense cost

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Kolanaki 10 points a year ago

Cmm operator, eh?

"Gimme cmmies, daddy!"

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Bgugi 1 point a year ago

Beep!

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possumparty 17 points a year ago

This shit is pure transphobia perpetuated by 4chan culture to demonize trans people and gender non conforming people. It's synonymous with transmaxxing and incel ideology.

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homesweethomeMrL 8 points a year ago

What is transmaxxing?

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captainlezbian 5 points a year ago

Using incel excuses to transition because your brain is toxic sludge but it's feminine toxic sludge.

Actually wait are there transmasc transmaxxers? Or are they all "biological female on testosterone" terfy camp of self destruction

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captainlezbian 13 points a year ago

I don't believe this, but not as much as I'd like to not believe this. That said, as a fascinated nerd, if there is evidence that doesn't require sorting through the toxic sludge of their spaces let me know it sounds fascinating

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Dragonstaff 7 points a year ago

It sounds like BS because it combines a bit of truth about femboys with salacious fantasy.

Also an "operator" generally means like a Navy Seal.

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Sineljora 12 points a year ago

Groypers are the domestic terrorists that ended Charlie Kirk

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_AutumnMoon_ 6 points a year ago

I thought they were those little burrowing rodents

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ThunderQueen 4 points a year ago
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erin 3 points a year ago

That would be groupies. Groypers are people that feel up others without consent.

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Geobloke 2 points a year ago

I thought that was just a lemmy conspiracy

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DragonTypeWyvern 1 point a year ago

Well it's not like the FBI will tell the truth either way

Unless there's something Turan ammunition wants to share about trans rights?

Fun Fact by the way: Turanism is the Turkic version of Aryan race theory.

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MTZ 12 points a year ago

That got really dark, really quick. I also did not know that.

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ThunderQueen 12 points a year ago
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alsaaas 11 points a year ago

Gorki was right /s

Jokes aside, homefascism is a real thing. Also people like Adolf Twinkler exist 🙃

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 16 points a year ago

great now i gotta add "adolf twinkler does not exist and cannot hurt you" to my daily affirmations

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FishFace 11 points a year ago

Wut

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homesweethomeMrL 1 point a year ago

That's what I said!

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DarrinBrunner 10 points a year ago

The human mind is strange and wonderful.

And, scary. Don't forget scary.

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TankovayaDiviziya 8 points a year ago

The same phenomenon is observed in prisons, and the humiliation ritual of new recruits in some military. It's not gay if you're not the prison bitch or the recruit blowing the commander. As a guy, I never understood this. Just come out! Jeez, the world will be a better place if these raging homophobes start to love themselves.

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AllNewTypeFace 7 points a year ago

Our glorious catgirls | their barbaric femboys

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Formfiller 6 points a year ago

Holy hell. That’s why we stopped hearing about Tyler Robinson

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homesweethomeMrL 2 points a year ago

? Who’s Tyler?

I’m finding out I know less all the time.

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Formfiller 2 points a year ago

Tyler Robinson

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homesweethomeMrL 3 points a year ago

Oh, right

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FerretyFever0 6 points a year ago

Yeah, they get pretty Athenian sometimes.

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HopeOfTheGunblade 3 points a year ago

Pfft, these people are complete Martians. Athena wouldn't have them. Where's the metis?

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SalamenceFury 3 points a year ago

Oh, so this whole "femboy nazi" trope is actually intentional. Huh.

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Worx 3 points a year ago

I'm not even an incel but I'd still have sex with a cute femboy

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candy_colors 1 point a year ago

Surely, this comment section won't be ani feminine male 🫠 Right?

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homesweethomeMrL 2 points a year ago

I would tend to doubt it, why

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