floofloof 215 points 9 months ago

So never buy OnePlus products. Got it. Thanks OnePlus for making the advice so clear!

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shortwavesurfer 72 points 9 months ago

That's what I heard. I know Samsung has been doing something like this as well.

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Armand1 86 points 9 months ago

Samsung has been blowing fuses in your phone when you root since at least 2015. I know because it happened to me. Never bought one again after that.

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Zorsith 23 points 9 months ago

Yep, Samsung Knox is the feature name; does it actually prevent things or is it just "tamper evidence" for corporate devices?

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ryven 8 points 9 months ago

According to the linked article it prevents the use of Samsung Pay and access to the Secure Folder (an extra layer of security you can enable that requires a second PIN to be input before you can access certain apps and files). This seems pretty reasonable, the goal is clearly to prevent access to especially sensitive data if someone has stolen the phone.

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rumba 4 points 9 months ago

It's the blanket name for their security architecture. The thing that makes sure your kernel is blessed, tries teo tell if you're rooted, then sets a fuse flag if anything is off. It also provides a secure, encrypted profile for your phone that bifurcates apps, data, blocks screenshots. The data from the flag is available to apps to tell that your phone is potentially insecure. For the most part, they only block Samsung banking/pay apps and make your secure partition inaccessible.

My next phone will be something degoogled. hopefully something linux.

I've already wiped an old disconnected android phone for use with my drone/cameras that require a mobile device.

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ColeSloth 13 points 9 months ago

Samsung just does it to trigger Knox and not let you use some security minded things on the phone.

They also, however, have their phones pretty much impossible to root anymore. I don't think most ever get a custom rom, because pretty much no one can get a Samsung phone to except one. I believe my old Note 20 Ultra is still not rootable.

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Armand1 7 points 9 months ago

For me I found out when I wanted them to fix something and they refused to honour the warranty because of the blown fuse.

As far as I know, this is illegal, btw. They have to prove that the error you are reporting is caused by user action. If your battery craps out, they can't blame it on you rooting your phone.

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SuspciousCarrot78 6 points 9 months ago

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anzo 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah, this was the case shortly after they release of model 5T or around thst time. That's when they stopped being the only company that would provide instructions to root your device, and guess what... Back then, if you rooted your device the warranty was still valid!

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TheRealKuni 156 points 9 months ago

Wow, what happened to OnePlus? They used to be so cool. Hell, the first one ran Cyanogen.

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Diplomjodler3 128 points 9 months ago

They're basically being folded into Oppo right now. OnePlus as a company is pretty much dead.

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paraphrand 17 points 9 months ago

“Open” once again being abused as angle to build something for an exit. It sounds like.

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Nima 33 points 9 months ago

what has happened, indeed. I still use an 8T and I love it heavily, but good lord. apparently you miss a few models and the whole company changes.

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Tollana1234567 2 points 9 months ago

they saw GOOGLE was trying to lockdown thier bootloader, or restrict it.

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TheRealKuni 5 points 9 months ago

So they said, “Nuh uh, we’re gonna lock it down so you can’t!” Or am I misunderstanding?

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VieuxQueb 2 points 9 months ago

It's more an "if everyone is doing it why not us" type of thing.

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Mycenaman 94 points 9 months ago

It's not flashing a custom ROM. It is installing an OS of users choice. Enemy's language shouldn't be used if we want things to change

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JackbyDev 33 points 9 months ago

This is why "side load" is annoying to me. It's installing. It is not special or different. They aren't "blocking side loading" they're "restricting what you can install."

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captain_aggravated 3 points 9 months ago

I'm 100% okay with how my Samsung Galaxy handles it: You access the Developer mode by pressing on the phone info screen in the settings for several seconds, and then there's a switch that allows execution of random .apk files.

"Yes, do as I say."

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JackbyDev 1 point 9 months ago

There was talk about Google changing this, but I'm not sure if that was something that would only affect Pixel phones or all of Android as an ecosystem. Well, to be specific, the change is to not let people run unsigned APKs at all and devs can only get them signed by giving their identification to Google.

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Johnmannesca 1 point 9 months ago

I think they're testing out different regions to see if they'll get sued before trying to do this globally

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Appoxo -15 points 9 months ago

Still custom as it's not the default

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Mycenaman 34 points 9 months ago

What makes it "custom"? If you install Linux on a laptop that comes with Windows pre-installed, is Linux then a custom OS it's not being a default? Why phones are any different? Calling it custom you play to the manufacturers pockets making it sound shady and unofficial giving them right to take the control from the customers devices. Soon we won't own anything we buy.

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SnoringEarthworm 17 points 9 months ago

I've never thought a custom ROM sounded shady.

To me it was always, "we only have vanilla or chocolate on the menu, but if you're willing to risk bricking your phone, you can get cookies and cream."

I picked cookies and cream.

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ragas 7 points 9 months ago

On PC it is usually called "other"

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herrvogel -2 points 9 months ago

Because for phones they kinda are custom. The smartphone hardware landscape is an absolute clusterfuck of proprietary blobs and closed source drivers and all sorts of shit that makes it so you need a lot of work to customize the base os to work on any particular device. ROMs have rather short lists of compatible phones, and each one of those had to have a build specifically developed for them. You can't take, say, grapheneos and slap it on any phone you like.

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Mycenaman 2 points 9 months ago

The same applies to every pre-installed OS. They are all customized from AOSP, but only third-party operating systems are called such. That was my point there.

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Appoxo -2 points 9 months ago

To me it feels more like a full appliance as it's not even intended primarily to install anything else.
But I can also see your point as a valid argument.

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Ensign_Crab 14 points 9 months ago

Installing linux on your Dell that came with Windows isn't "Installing a custom OS."

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Appoxo -2 points 9 months ago

Not IMO for phones but hey, it's a free world ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Ensign_Crab 11 points 9 months ago

You've been trained well.

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thedeadwalking4242 87 points 9 months ago

Wasn't OnePlus like worshipped because of how much support for custom ROMs wth

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MentalEdge 48 points 9 months ago

The original "One" phone was even supposed to run cyanogemod out of the box at one point.

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FauxLiving 38 points 9 months ago

It was shipped with Cyanogenmod for a while.

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Jakeroxs 8 points 9 months ago

Yes they were and did for about 6 years, 2014-2020ish isn't a bad run

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Buffalox 72 points 9 months ago

If true, this is sabotage of the customers product, and must 100% be illegal in almost any country!!
But my guess is they are limiting this to countries that have absolute shit consumer protection.

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darcmage 25 points 9 months ago

I haven't read the entire XDA thread but there are a few posts saying it's limited to ColorOS (Chinese version of android that everyone else gets as OxygenOS). Unable to verify.

If they don't reverse course, I'm sure it'll roll out globally eventually. This has to run afoul of EU's strong warranty laws right?

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db2 20 points 9 months ago

Things are illegal only when enforced. Otherwise they're a suggestion at best.

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Buffalox 6 points 9 months ago

That's part of how shitty the consumer protection really is.
But common for all, there needs to be complaints before the law is involved.

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SolSerkonos 8 points 9 months ago

....oh? I thought every console used this kind of tech as well.

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Buffalox 13 points 9 months ago

So are console sold with the possibility of changing the OS, only to have that option removed later? There was some issue with PS3, but apart from that I never heard about it.

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SolSerkonos 12 points 9 months ago

Ooooh, okay, now I understand. I was referring to the way modern consoles blow a fuse with each new patch so you can't load older patches.

But yeah, the PS3 removed the ability to boot Linux which it was explicitly advertised to have and it was a huge thing at the time.

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Buffalox -4 points 9 months ago

consoles blow a fuse with each new patch so you can’t load older patches.

Admittedly I was unaware of this, but for consoles it can have a real functional purpose as part of the protection against cheating.

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FauxPseudo 68 points 9 months ago

"...long enough to become the villain."

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ramble81 62 points 9 months ago

Holy shit. I wanted to say something constructive, but just…. holy shit. Intentional hard brick of a customer owned device….

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rumba 55 points 9 months ago

That means they were making money by people running their os.

If they spend the money on re-engineering their devices not to allow it, there was a cost advantage to selling your data.

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stebator 47 points 9 months ago

Many users were buying OpenPlus Pro smartphones solely because of the ability to unlock the bootloader and flash custom ROMs. People value freedom and customization. OpenPlus is shooting itself in the foot.

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hume_lemmy 12 points 9 months ago

Oppo killed and ate OP a long time ago. They've just been wearing their skin like a suit up to this point, but their true nature is obvious at this point.

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lost_faith 5 points 9 months ago

This is why I bought a pixel 6

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MrKoyun 9 points 9 months ago

This will never stop being funny

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festus 9 points 9 months ago

Sadly, at least in the North American market, Google's Pixel phones are basically the last good phones you can reliably install your own ROM on.

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MrKoyun 6 points 9 months ago

What a sad world.

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raldone01 1 point 9 months ago

I also went with a pixel 6a with grafeneos because there are no other good options for me.

I would have preferred fairphone 6 + calyx but that is on hiatus and I couldn't wait longer.

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evol 1 point 9 months ago

An increasingly small amount of their userbase cares about that now, its a mainstream device now

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spaghettiwestern 40 points 9 months ago

I bought a OP 9Pro just before Oppo decimated the company. They moved from Oxygen OS to a poorly camouflaged version of Oppo Color OS and stripped out some of the features that made Oneplus what it was. Oppo also almost completely stopped fixing bugs, even some really serious ones that had been long documented. I recently bought a new phone and didn't even consider Oneplus Oppo.

It seems to me that the only reason Oppo would do this is to preserve the revenue they get from selling customer data that should remain private. Otherwise why would Oppo care what OS people run on their hardware?

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ThirdConsul 2 points 9 months ago

Hi, could you share what phone you bought? I'm looking for a replacement in the near future and I want to get a headstart on the research.

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spaghettiwestern 2 points 9 months ago

Bought a Pixel 10. After the last few days I'd only give it a C- review. Google uses their customers as beta testers and leaves all kinds of ridiculous bugs for their customers to deal with. The hardware is nice overall, but Android 16 needs lots of work. This is probably the reason so many Google employees refuse to use Android and buy Iphones.

The bugs Google has knowingly released include a broken volume control that requires the screen to be unlocked and the application be open for some applications, sleep schedules not working reliably, "helpful" nags ignoring the sleep schedule and waking me up in the middle of the night. Last night it was their "Find Hub" (renamed from "Find my Device" for some reason) waking me at 1:30AM to let me know I should set it up. A week ago it was my phone warning me at 3AM that Location was turned off and Accident Detection would not work. There have been more and right now I'm wishing I bought an Iphone. Google doesn't deserve our business.

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termaxima 38 points 9 months ago

"OnePlus shoots own foot. Likely to blame consumers for it"

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defaultusername 35 points 9 months ago

I get why they do this, because downgrade attacks are a thing that are used to exploit devices remotely, but there are other ways to implement this, like what GrapheneOS does. Downgrading can also just be restricted to unlocked bootloaders as well via a software revocation list that gets deleted/bypassed upon unlocking.

There is no good reason for devices to use efuses to block downgrades unless they are trying to restrict user freedom a la consoles.

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Zak 66 points 9 months ago

Reasonable: prevent downgrades when the bootloader is locked
Sketchy: prevent downgrades when the bootloader is unlocked
Unhinged: hard-brick the device when a downgrade is attempted

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goatinspace 7 points 9 months ago

No good reason

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ulterno 33 points 9 months ago

In better times, this would at least get a class action.

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Tollana1234567 31 points 9 months ago

so it basically permanently "damages" the phone when you try to root it, seems like they are asking for a lawsuit at some point.

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Appoxo 9 points 9 months ago

Wanna try suing Samsung before that?

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ramble81 3 points 9 months ago

I thought the difference there is that they were upfront about the feature in Knox and you can still install another OS, it just disables Pay and the Secure Notes part. Also it was something there from the start.

This feels markedly different as it’s retroactive and a full brick, which is much more severe and a bait and switch.

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Appoxo 1 point 9 months ago

My last contact with it was on my Samsung S8. I was not aware of any "For your security we will monitor for OS changes" communication

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Nollij 2 points 9 months ago

Why would they start with the harder one? Samsung is much better funded, and therefore will be a much more difficult case.

And no, it does not matter that Samsung did it first.

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Appoxo 0 points 9 months ago

Kinda does.

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hornedfiend 28 points 9 months ago

One plus joined my short list of "I can't be bothered" companies like Samsung and Apple, Xiaomi, Oppo and some other sub par companies.

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ragas 10 points 9 months ago

And all that while OnePlus was awesome up until the OnePlus 7 pro.

I had the 5t until last year and it was still awesome.

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ramble81 1 point 9 months ago

OnePlus is owned by Oppo, so that’s applied for a while. Now they’re just making it clearly known

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eleijeep 26 points 9 months ago

Another company to add to the list.

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ryannathans 15 points 9 months ago

They have already collapsed and won't be making phones anymore

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eleijeep 30 points 9 months ago

Wow I didn’t think my list would take effect so quickly!

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lonesomeCat 24 points 9 months ago

Seriously are there any Android brands that do not suck and ship everywhere (not limited to the US/EU markets)??

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Limonene 19 points 9 months ago

I believe thay all have shitty operating systems. But some of them have an aftermarket OS available. Pick your OS first, then look for a phone that can run it. Here are the ones I know of:

GrapheneOS

CalyxOS (on hiatus)

Crdriod

LineageOS

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eru 5 points 9 months ago

google pixel with grapheneos maybe

pixel 10 is pretty repairable hardware wise, some prior ones have glued in battery

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gaymer 15 points 9 months ago

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Gorilladrums 1 point 9 months ago

OnePlus was never a consumer friendly company. People only liked it because their phones were cheaper than the standard market prices, however, most people understood that this price comes with the caveat that their device is designed, manufactured, and controlled by a Chinese company. Everybody knew that the CCP had their tentacles in these devices, and so it was only a matter of time before things like this start happening.

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gaymer -2 points 9 months ago

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Gorilladrums 0 points 9 months ago

Now who's good bootlicker? Yes, you are! Want to bend over and give me paw?

While you keep deepthroating the boot of an evil regime, I, on the other hand, refuse to give my data to any government or corporation and I do my damnest to make sure my data stays secure.

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gaymer -1 points 9 months ago

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skisnow 13 points 9 months ago

And yet my LinkedIn is still full of people complaining about how much the EU over-regulates

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razen 2 points 9 months ago

Cause that is expected of China but not EU

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Appoxo 10 points 9 months ago

Well...So did Samsung with Samsung Knox

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Squizzy 11 points 9 months ago

Oh well then... if the bastion of open and customer focused development did it

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Peruvian_Skies 3 points 9 months ago

Knox just displays a message when you boot the device. You can still install a custom ROM. I'm typing this on a Samsung tablet running LineageOS.

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Appoxo 5 points 9 months ago

Never said the fuse prevented the execution of a non-Samsung OS.
But the tripped efuse is permanent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Knox -> e-Fuse

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Peruvian_Skies 1 point 9 months ago

I assumed because of the headline.

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mlg 8 points 9 months ago

I don't know why this thread is complaining specifically about Chinese OEMs when Samsung has been doing this for years.

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evol 5 points 9 months ago

Miss my Oneplus 7 Pro. popup cameras <3

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luckyeddy 3 points 9 months ago

I’ve still kept my 7T pro. Peak Oneplus 🪦

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skaffi 2 points 9 months ago

I bought my secondhand OnePlus 6T only last year. Installed Linux on it, and I love it. I'm using it as my daily driver.

Sent from my OnePlus 6T and from my bed

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Gebruikersnaam 1 point 9 months ago

I also own a 6T as my main phone, but it seems LineageOS support had ended :(

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Gorilladrums 3 points 9 months ago

OnePlus is a Chinese company. Anybody who trusted a Chinese company to respect privacy, consumer rights, and ownership freedom is a complete idiot.

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DoucheBagMcSwag 3 points 9 months ago

FYI: this is CHINA ONLY that they did this. With China being a totalitarianism shithole this was to be expected

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goldenlocks 3 points 9 months ago

Doesn't effect OnePlus 12 thankfully, anyone have info on custom roms for it?

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Tollana1234567 2 points 9 months ago

im on the OP12R, but i dont have anything custom on it.

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kingmook 2 points 9 months ago

I've been running LineageOS on my OnePlus12 for a few months and it's been pretty solid for me. Good battery life, but the camera app isn't quite as robust. Lineage on Waffle

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goldenlocks 1 point 9 months ago

Nice, thanks!

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_thebrain_ 2 points 9 months ago

Last I hear OnePlus was on the verge of collapse. Not because of this, but because of the mismanagement since carl left. It will probably be absorbed into oppo soon enough https://www.androidheadlines.com/....

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lechekaflan 1 point 9 months ago

At the end of the day the makers of smartphones determine if you can mod their products to their liking or not, and in most cases they really hate it because they want to continue selling phones and make them more difficult to fix without special tools.

How I was then doing fine with a feature phone allowing me to play music and take pictures. That was in 2009.

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Lfrith 1 point 9 months ago

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Raglesnarf 1 point 9 months ago

so does that mean we're done with OnePlus?

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pulsey 3 points 9 months ago

Havent we for a while?