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Tar_alcaran 98 points 8 months ago

Of course it is?!

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Fedegenerate 49 points 8 months ago

Some supermarkets here require a token to use. That token is returned on the complete restacking of your trolley

It does well enough at training our population.

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PonyOfWar 27 points 8 months ago

We've had that in Germany for many years but for the last few years, many supermarkets in my region have stopped using the tokens. Looks like the "training" worked though, as I still never see any unreturned shopping carts on parking lots.

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BlueKey 11 points 8 months ago

At the Aldi in my area many of the token mechanism are broken, so the carts are always loose. They get put back by people anyways, which makes me happy.

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BanMe 7 points 8 months ago

I went to an Aldi not realizing they would have this, I do not carry pocket change. Asked clerk to break a bill for change, he just handed me a quarter from the till. I'm like, thanks I'll bring this back I guess, he said he didn't care. Oookay. Still not sure what to do with that free 25¢, invest it maybe.

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AbsolutelyClawless 3 points 8 months ago

Same in Austria. Noticed our Lidl removed the coin/token slot recently.

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DonAntonioMagino 1 point 8 months ago

This is happening in the Netherlands as well.

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yonderbarn 7 points 8 months ago

We absolutely need this

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theyllneverfindmehere 6 points 8 months ago

They recently stopped using this in the area of Germany where I live. I hate the change. People immediately started leaving their carts all over the place. It's crazy that €1-€2 deposit was the only thing holding people back from being jerks.

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Fedegenerate 4 points 8 months ago

If the supermarket starts spending more on labour/lost carts than they were losing with lost business/upfront cost, they may bring them back.

I wonder what the conversation is between supermarkets. They have to know the one spending upfront for these devices is training the local population reducing the other's running costs.

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starlinguk 3 points 8 months ago

I'm in Germany too, nobody leaves their trolleys sitting around.

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theyllneverfindmehere 1 point 8 months ago

I've seen it mostly at Hornbach and one of the Rewe's near me, but other places people still return them like normal.

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AbsolutelyClawless 2 points 8 months ago

That sucks. I noticed our Lidl did the same (maybe other supermarkets, too, haven't paid attention), but people still return the carts. This is in Austria. 

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fizzle 3 points 8 months ago

There's only one shop within 400km of where I live that uses these.

People here do seem to do a reasonable job of returning their trolleys to the bay.

I think most of the trolley collectors are disabled in some way, so their jobs will be subsidised.

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Fedegenerate 8 points 8 months ago

I think most of the trolley collectors are disabled in some way, so their jobs will be subsidised.

A bit beyond the scope of the post. But instead of supermarkets using society to subsidise their labour costs, we could use supermarkets to subsidise society. Tax the wealth and institute a UBI.

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nanoswarm9k 2 points 8 months ago

details of oppression uwu

Tap for spoiler

goodwill is the sweatshop SNAP applicants are shunted to for less than min wage, if they aren't otherwise meeting the work requirement instituted...

Honesly idk if it was 2017 or a last ditch Busch Jr thing. Certainly tried.

i like to mention it, bc i talked to some caseworker and counciling staff who were unaware, despite their clientel relevance.

Sucks if you can't handle a concrete box full of light and noise and the reek of harassed strangers. After some training videos, of course.

Go usa. (fortunately urban gardening and grocer coop is improving...)

Forced or underpaid labor of anyone, esp minorities anyware is hella bad. uwu down with labor extortion.

I worked one grocer that had the ghost of a union coughing out, and we had a light duty round and a low key vibe on night stocking. The bored jocks and people who wanted a temperature change did the cart grabs. Not just whoever was on some dole voucher(general).

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Flauschige_Lemmata 2 points 8 months ago

All supermarkets here do. But some people have removable tokens you can just pull out. And nobody botheres to chain them up again. But people still put them back properly

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blackn1ght 1 point 8 months ago

The problem I have with this is that it's a barrier of using the shop if you don't have a £/€1 coin on you. There's an Aldi by me where the trollies have this lock on them, but the Tesco opposite doesn't so I'll just not go to Aldi as I can't get a trolly.

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Fedegenerate 3 points 8 months ago

Absolutely true, it does present a barrier. I had a token attached to my keys for my own sanity.

Now that token perminantly lives in my car after the clippy thing broke. If I'm shopping for enough things to need a trolley, I have my car. My peers all have these things in the cupholder/ashtray of their center console.

The timing worked out, I had the token attached to my keys while I was without a car, and it broke just in time for the arrival of the car.

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obinice 32 points 8 months ago

Yes, it is common courtesy to return your trolley appropriately.

I've only really seen the system abused when visiting countries like the USA, shoppers seem feral over there.

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Pat_Riot 7 points 8 months ago

Some stores seem to have removed about half of icart returns. My Costco barely has any, same at the two Walmarts in town. The Costco is only a couple of years old, so its parking lot was designed without them. Cart gets pushed up on the median. Both Walmarts actually took them out. The store is who broke the social contract. At least it gives some employee a chance to walk around outside for a while.

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_edge 2 points 8 months ago

Seems wild. Are employees not a relevant cost factor?

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Pat_Riot 3 points 8 months ago

The Walmarts just seem to have not replaced their cart corrals over the years. The ones they still have are bent from being hit.

Costco really seems to have been intentional. The parking spaces are wider than average so even if there are cars parked already on either side of me, that I can easily back out and use any cart left there. The medians between parking rows are full of rocks with no walkway.

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Kevo 4 points 8 months ago

As an American, it's my god given right to be shitty and make the lives of children and underprivileged and/or retired people as terrible as possible to make myself feel good. As the founding fathers intended.

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_edge 1 point 8 months ago

Exactly. Some things just work in every civilised country.

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Sepix 30 points 8 months ago path: 0 21870930, hotness: undefined, score: 30, children: 1
Truscape 2 points 8 months ago

Many have failed the litmus test. :(

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Kissaki 29 points 8 months ago

In Germany, everyone does it. Yes, I think it is common courtesy. It is a matter of basic respect to others.

It's not like it's difficult or a lot of effort. You specifying it against "just in the area" - maybe you have more space for carts, but if you already move it into the designated area, I don't see that aligning it could be significantly more effort or time investment.

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smiletolerantly 16 points 8 months ago

Ehm, yes, but in Germany you also put a Euro into the cart to release the chain, and need to return the cart to get it back.

Not so sure this would work here without that...

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Fermiverse 11 points 8 months ago

Not everywhere anymore.

Some years ago they had a person going around collecting and storing the trolleys. Then they switched to the coin thing, sparing staff.

Now I experience some already dropping that too. Just take and put it back in.

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zout 1 point 8 months ago

If I remember correctly, the coin thing was dropped during covid for some reason.

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RedstoneValley 5 points 8 months ago

I've seen a lot of supermarkets recently where the mechanism is still there but all the carts are unlocked, so that you don't need to insert a coin anymore. At least where I live this works just as well and people return their carts into the stack. We were probably conditioned to do it during the last years when the coin was still necessary, and now it just sticks.

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zaphod 1 point 8 months ago

I remember that a lot of supermarkets did that during the pandemic.

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_edge 3 points 8 months ago

Real pros carry a thing to unlock the carts without a coin. A small metal piece on your key chain or wallet dies the trick. We still return the cart every time. This is just common sense.

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Damage 1 point 8 months ago

The stores also usually provide you with plastic coins to use instead of euros, so...

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HeerlijkeDrop 25 points 8 months ago

As a European it feels so surreal reading the stories of Americans not returning the shopping carts

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Apytele 8 points 8 months ago
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kjetil 6 points 8 months ago

In Norway, the trolley coined gained popularity as society went mostly cashless, yet the trolleys demanded their token. An earlier factor was that it was annoying to make sure you always had a coin of the correct denomination (physical size). Trolley coins can be part of your keychain, or won't be accidentally used to buy a newspaper before going to the grocery store.

Most people still return the trolley and slide it in, like civilized humans should

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HeerlijkeDrop 5 points 8 months ago

Yep, in Poland we have those locked trolleys, but more and more stores don't do that anymore, as people return the carts anyway

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Wizard_Pope 3 points 8 months ago

Tbh I think the plastic coins came around more as a convenience. If you have one in your wallet you always have the option of taking the trolley. You might not always have coins or the right sized coins. At least I know I don't have any coins most of the time.

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Grail 19 points 8 months ago

No, it's best to leave your cart in the carpark where it blocks cars, to incentivise taking the bus.

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GreenKnight23 6 points 8 months ago

fuckcars is leaking again!

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Grail 4 points 8 months ago

Damn I gotta subscribe to that comm, I want MULTIVERSE users to see it

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Theoriginalthon 16 points 8 months ago

Story time: in the mid 90s an IKEA store opened near by, the trolleys required a £1 coin, people would just either forget about the £1 as no where else was doing it at the time, or just think I can't be arsed taking the trolley back. Cue teenage me, every time we went to IKEA I would come out of the carpark with between £10-£15 before my parents demanded I get in the car. It then evolved in to people connecting multiple trolley so only one person lost a £1, eventually they had a guy in vehicle and trailer pick them up after removing the coin lock from all the trolleys.

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CorrectAlias 14 points 8 months ago

I fucking hate it when people don't return their carts, and yes I always slide them in and condence the stack as much as possible. I used to have to do carts while working retail, and I would have to pick up so many carts that people just left on the curb or even in parking stalls. Some of them wouldn't even return them when right next to the corral, and instead just block an entire parking stall.

The worst was working carts in the 100°F+ heat. I had to take breaks every 15 minutes or so just to avoid heat stroke, and while resting I would see these people just leaving carts in the places I had just cleaned up. Infuriating.

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Routhinator 10 points 8 months ago

Yes its common courtesy. Its lazy and disrespectful to just toss your cart however and just expect that the store's minimum paid staff should deal with your mess

I usually organise them when I bring mine back to fix other people's laziness.

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canihasaccount 10 points 8 months ago

As someone who worked at more than one grocery store where the manager scheduled more people per week if someone needed to constantly be on cart duty (e.g., during the winter, because folks were less likely to put their carts back during the cold), I often don't put my cart back in the correct spot. I do so because at the stores I worked at, that would help people who want more hours be able to make a case for those hours to the manager. I often had to do so when I wanted more hours, and I was the person who did the carts. I never do this when cart duty is otherwise hard (e.g., late at night, in the cold, in the summer heat, etc.)---in those cases, I always bring my cart back inside of the store and put it completely away.

So, yes, but there are sometimes reasons to do something besides what's courteous.

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Bougie_Birdie 10 points 8 months ago

I think bringing the cart to the corral is the bare minimum, and generally people will try to get away with the minimum for most tasks and social obligations. If you don't at least bring it to the corral you're deranged, but beyond that I'd rather a job is done half-assed than not at all.

If I get to the corral and there's two or three loose carts I'll stack them with mine. If there's six or seven I won't fix them all but I'll still be as neat as I can.

If the store has different sized carts, this is always a bigger problem. People generally are uncoordinated at figuring that out.

My grocer has one of those schemes where the carts are unlocked by putting a coin in them, and you get the coin back when you return the cart. It works pretty well for keeping things tidy.

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JadenSmith 9 points 8 months ago

I always slide the cart in. It's rather satisfying when it slides and chucks against the cart in front, sort of like an acknowledgement of the attachment.

I believe I desperately need some new hobbies, on a side note.

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AngryCommieKender 9 points 8 months ago

Not mine, credit to Portuguese Geese

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coaxil 8 points 8 months ago

Pretty cunt move not to fully return the trolly tbh!

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Kolanaki 8 points 8 months ago

So few people return their carts where I am, that like 95% of the time there's nothing else in the corral for me to stack it into.

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Vanth 7 points 8 months ago

This is one of those starter date vetting things, like whether your date treats restaurant and bar staff well, and tips (when culturally appropriate).

Is it illegal to not stack your cart neatly? No. Do I want to date someone who puts minimal effort in and pushes simple tasks they deem beneath them onto low-wage workers? Also no.

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Grail 1 point 8 months ago

What would you say if your date said "I don't think people should return carts, I think they should use them to block the road into the carpark to annoy the car drivers. But I don't use a cart anymore, I bought myself a hand trolley I can take home with me on the bus."

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kindenough 7 points 8 months ago

It is viewed as antisocial behaviour to leave your cart on the parking space, where I am from. I always put my cart back in the shortest row of carts. I like to make it as conveniant as possible for the people working at the supermarket.

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Mostly_Gristle 7 points 8 months ago

I think if you're going to go through the trouble to return your cart to the cart area then yeah, slot that bad boy into the stack the way it's supposed to go. Otherwise it's like those people who pick up their dog's poop and just hang the bag on a tree branch for someone else to put in the trash. Either do the thing, or don't do the thing. Doing it halfway just makes a different kind of mess.

I found out a new (new to me at least) bit of cart-return etiquette last year when I was using the handicap parking spaces for a couple months following ankle surgery. Grocery carts double as walking aids for a lot of people with mobility issues while they're at the store. Many people with those issues will purposely leave their carts in the handicap area as a courtesy for the next person with mobility issues so they can have it right away and not have to struggle all the way to the cart area. So there's at least one instance where not returning your cart doesn't make you a horrible person.

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SanctimoniousApe 6 points 8 months ago

Courteous? Absolutely. Common? Not so much.

The Aldi store where I used to live required a quarter to free the shipping cart from the chain linking it to the next cart in the stall lineup. The idea being you'd have return the cart to the stall to re-insert said link from the next cart you pushed yours into in order to get your quarter back. Seemed to work rather well, but I imagine fewer people carry actual cash nowadays so I'm not sure how that's working out for Aldi nowadays.

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lazynooblet 6 points 8 months ago

The ultimate litmus test

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BarneyPiccolo 5 points 8 months ago

The only time I don't return the cart to the corral is when I'm taking my elderly mother to the store, and we park in the handicapped spots. I always leave my cart near there, because older, handicapped people often like to grab a cart in the lot, and use it like a walker to get to the store.

Likewise, when we arrive, I jump out and grab the nearest cart as she's getting out of the car, and I can wheel it over to her. It's nice when someone has left a cart in the handicapped zone.

This is a handicapped thing, you have to be part of that world to know about it.

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baggachipz 5 points 8 months ago

It’s annoying when people don’t stack them in the corrall, but the people who just hook the front wheels over the curb where they parked are literally Hitler. They can’t be bothered to even make it to the cart corral, and take effort to push the wheels up. They deserve untold pain.

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Pat_Riot 2 points 8 months ago

My Costco has one corral in like 6 lanes. Nah, fam. Do you have any idea how fucking big that parking lot is? Conversely, there is frequently a cart waiting at my parking spot when I find it. I use it and then leave it for the next person to park there. Efficient!

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baggachipz 2 points 8 months ago

This one right here, officer.

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Pat_Riot 1 point 8 months ago

If cart parking is provided I use it. I'm not walking clear back to the building. You can eat my shorts.

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saimen 5 points 8 months ago

I actually prefer not to stack it completely but just put in the beginning of the lane (which are separated by metal bars) so the next person doesn't have to go all inside the lane to take their cart (they can be several meters). It's still tidy in its lane and the next person bringing back a cart can just push mine forward with theirs.

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Flauschige_Lemmata 5 points 8 months ago

Of course it is. Stray carts wreck havoc on cars if there's a breeze

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solarvector 5 points 8 months ago

Common social courtesy, but...

Last time this was posted there was someone arguing that we were all basically brainwashed by social pressure into doing free labor for shitty corporations.

I think they're probably right but I still return the cart, just like I still tip at restaurants.

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starlinguk 2 points 8 months ago

Brainwashed? You took it, why not put it back?

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Grail 1 point 8 months ago

Corporations steal from us all the time, we should take back. I'd love to live in a world where less jobs is a good thing for humanity, but we live in a world where it's a bad thing. Fuck capitalism.

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Cherry 4 points 8 months ago

This is a classic example of your ideas on society. If you can’t do this simple thing or you think you are better than that, it is a good indication of a your beliefs.

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voxthefox 4 points 8 months ago

I always try to, but I understand why some people dont bother at my grocery store. They have two very similar looking types of carts (ones bigger) and it can be difficult to see which ones will stack before trying.

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ArgumentativeMonotheist 3 points 8 months ago

Yes, but it's a minor thing. Like, if that's the moral line you won't cross you better be some sort of ascetic saint, lol. Some people are just anal about these things because of their neurodivergence (I'm one of those, although it's mild), and as such it's important not to randomly harass someone for it... I'd just put it in its place and forget about it. 🤷

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Maeve 3 points 8 months ago

Common or courtesy, pick one.

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klymilark 3 points 8 months ago

Generally yes. I don't really point it out to people if it's like... 2-3 carts in the corral, and they don't fully stack them. Long as they're in there. I've seen a massive pileup outside of one once, had to be about 10-15 carts? Couldn't return a cart even if you wanted to. Ended up pushing them all together. I used to be a cart pusher, I know how bad it sucks, plus those loose carts can cause damage if the wind kicks up

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general_kitten 3 points 8 months ago

here you usually have to insert a coin to get the cart and only get it back when tou return it properly

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Damage 4 points 8 months ago

I have a thingy on my key-chain that unlocks the carts without the need for coins!

I still return my cart and stack it because I'm a civilised person of course.

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palordrolap 1 point 8 months ago

In such places, beware of the person returning their own trolley / cart and offering to take your coin in return for theirs. Because eventually you'll get one who has used a coin-sized token and they've just conned you out of actual money.

But even so, were it not the case there was some kind of coin / token deposit system, would you return your cart? I know I would.

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Horsecook 1 point 8 months ago
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Etterra 2 points 8 months ago

If you shove it in the cart corral then it will either slot in correctly or be positioned for it. Unless you're one of those assholes who shoves the mini-cart in the normal-cart line.

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RampantParanoia2365 1 point 8 months ago

No, but I usually do it, anyway.

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Stefan_S_from_H 1 point 8 months ago

“Go Kylie, go!”

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ScoffingLizard 1 point 8 months ago

People in New Orleans are so shitty that they just don't have cart stalls. It would be pointless because nobody would bother.

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surewhynotlem 1 point 8 months ago

Eh.. I don't know their life. Maybe they tossed it in and ran because their infant was in the car waiting. I've had to do that before.

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CanadaPlus 1 point 8 months ago

If it's like an outdoor shelter, I never bother. Haven't even thought of it until now. If it's actually inside the store, then there's limited space and it should definitely be nested.

Edit: I guess on rare occasions I've seen a shelter that's pretty full and had to nest it just so it's in the shelter. They're usually almost empty, though.

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AA5B 1 point 8 months ago

I kind of like it. There’s something satisfying about giving my cart a shove and having a bunch of carts line up together with loud crashing noises

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DemBoSain 1 point 8 months ago

Of course it is. Not just for the workers but for the exact reasons you've stated.

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Psychadelic_Sheep 0 points 8 months ago
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jaybone 1 point 8 months ago

Self checkout. Ring up your own shit. Because it’s the future.

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BanMe 1 point 8 months ago

Many Americans wandering around so stoned, they avoid actual human contact entirely, so self checkout is desirable. No need to make smalltalk or eye contact with another human. We have lost the ability to interact in the smallest of ways with strangers.

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Grail 1 point 8 months ago

I just don't want to take My earbuds out. I'm listening to an audiobook.

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starlinguk 1 point 8 months ago

I use the self checkout because it's much less busy than the other checkouts.

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starlinguk 0 points 8 months ago

No. They never did. I'm from 1967. Nobody has ever packed my bags or taken my groceries to the car. My mother and grandmother got deliveries from the butcher, baker, milkman, fishmonger and veg guy, but supermarkets never did anything but ring up your shopping.

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Psychadelic_Sheep 1 point 8 months ago
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NastyNative -2 points 8 months ago

I would always put the shopping cart back. Then a friend ended up in jail once he got out the only job he could get was putting shopping carts back and it helped him to get back on hos feet. I will never put it back anymore.

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BanMe 1 point 8 months ago

The day after I bought my last car, a shopping cart got caught by the wind and slammed into my door, big scrape. Now I judge people who don't do it. We have several businesses who do reentry programs, including the supermarket itself, who hires convicts to be cashiers. Hardware store and bakery do the same thing, just up the street. If returning carts is the only job an ex convict can get, you need to urge more stores to hire them, not leave your carts around the lot.

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