So release the Epstein files?

4 months ago by VetOfTheSeas to c/politicalmemes

shweddy 144 points 4 months ago

Is this real

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AnchoriteMagus 150 points 4 months ago path: 0 23427831 23427859, hotness: undefined, score: 150, children: 15
Embargo 100 points 4 months ago

It's at the 19min45sec mark.

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slevinkelevra 82 points 4 months ago

Shooters manifesto about the secret service:

This level of incompetence is insane.

Trump:

Well he was pretty incompetent, too, because he got caught.

LOL

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notwhoyouthink 26 points 4 months ago

I heard that too, and chuckled.

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AmbitiousProcess 43 points 4 months ago path: 0 23427831 23427859 23428135 23428480, hotness: undefined, score: 43, children: 0
Beetschnapps 58 points 4 months ago

“So what about this statement someone else made?”

“You’re a shitty person for repeating words and I assumed you were shit and so now I’m calling you shit to deflect…”

“Yes well uh gosh Mr president okay…”

Fucking incompetence…

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jaybone 26 points 4 months ago

That’s O’Donnel which means CBS right? Which is basically Trump little bitch propaganda network now. Since he can fire Colbert because he’s Ass hurt, and he can fine 60 Munutes, also because he’s ass hurt.

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Malyca 3 points 4 months ago

He'll just sue again to steal more money from the taxpayer

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prole 13 points 4 months ago

It's shocking how awful journalists are in this country. They NEVER follow up when politicians blatantly lie to their face. It's fucking shameful.

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brianpeiris 4 points 4 months ago path: 0 23427831 23427859 23442588, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
kingofras 22 points 4 months ago

It’s been real since at least the 80s. Imagine the busses full of execs and millionaires and collaborators who stayed quiet all this time to make sure he got where he is today. None of whom we will talk about once the chief pedo is dead.

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urandom 125 points 4 months ago

Isn't he a convicted rapist? Surely that means he's in fact a rapist

Edit: thanks to all the people pointing out that he wasn’t convicted

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kryptonianCodeMonkey 72 points 4 months ago

He wasn't convicted of the crime of rape because he hasn't, to date, been criminally charged with rape. He was sued civilly by E. Jean Carroll for sexual abuse and defamation, and found by a jury liable for both acts. Which means the jury found that sufficient evidence existed that he did sexually abuse her even without a criminal conviction for rape.

The judge later clarified that the acts that the the jury found him liable for, forcible penetration of the vagina with his fingers, do constitute first degree rape under New York law. And first degree rape in New York has no statute of limitations. Were he to be tried for rape, the evidence in the civil suit would be admissible and he would almost certainly be convicted of rape. Weird that hasn't happened, but here we are.

So technically, he is not a convicted rapist as he has yet to be criminally charged and tried for rape. But he has also been determined by a court and a jury to have absolutely sexually abused E. Jean Carroll in a manner that constitutes rape under New York law. "Rapist love this one weird loophole."

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Snowies 51 points 4 months ago

He paid her 78 million dollars specifically so that he wouldn’t have to take a DNA test to prove his innocence.

Hmmmm

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jve 13 points 4 months ago

I missed something. What dna were they going to test that could influence a case for a crime that occurred 30 years ago?

E. Jean Carroll requested a DNA sample from Donald Trump in 2020 to compare with unidentified male DNA found on the dress she allegedly wore during a 1990s sexual assault.

Well there you go.

EDIT: added some googling.

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doingthestuff 15 points 4 months ago

Civil court is a much lower bar of proof. But yeah he received a civil liability judgement.

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chiliedogg 14 points 4 months ago

He was found civily liable for sexual assault by a jury. It means a jury said he did it, but it's not actually a conviction because civil suits are between private parties whereas criminal cases are between the defendant and society. They also have very different methods of punishment, as they pursue different goals.

In criminal court, the prosecutors seek punitive damages. It usually takes the form of a fine or a prison sentence. In civil court, the plaintiff (who can also be the government) seeks relief in the form of compensation for damages or an order to do something, undo something, or stop doing something. You can't

This makes sense when you think about it. Let's say you get pulled over for speeding. You didn't actually cause any damage, you can't undo having sped, and since you were pulled over you've already stopped speeding. So the state's options are pretty much limited to punishment for having committed the crime. And once you've paid the ticket, the matter is resolved.

But what if instead of speeding, you build a building that extends beyond your property line and into a public street? Criminal statues allow for a fine, but that's about it. Cities can even do daily fines, but rich people can just pay the fine and effectively take control of public land.

For that, you need to go through the Civil process, because in the civil system the goal isn't justice or punishment, but relief. Instead of getting fines, the government can get an order from a judge requiring the building to be removed, and even to allow the government to bulldoze the building and bill the landowner for the expense of the demo and remediation.

This is why, unless you're looking at a felony, you'd rather have the government take you to criminal court than civil.

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D_C 2 points 4 months ago

Yes. Ahhh, yes, but, see, right...ok, at that exact moment of recording the orange rapist of women and little girls (and probably boys) was -probably- not raping a thing...probably. {taps temple}

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melsaskca -10 points 4 months ago

Well, the usa passed a law that makes a tomato a vegetable instead of a fruit, so labels don't mean much there (neither does law anymore), so who knows? I agree though because of the "walks like a duck" logic.

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prole 15 points 4 months ago

"Vegetable" isn't a real scientific term. Nothing is stopping a fruit from also being a vegetable

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bedwyr 3 points 4 months ago

There is a definition of a fruit though, and it is understood that vegetables are not fruit. As I understand it.

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Carrot 5 points 4 months ago

Sure, but tomatoes are a fruit botanically (more precisely, a berry). "Vegetable" is a culinary term, and has no real strict definition beyond "a plant grown to be eaten", so a tomato falls squarely into being a berry, a fruit, and a vegetable.

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DisgruntledGorillaGang 3 points 4 months ago

As far as I'm aware, the supreme court made a ruling on that, but that's not the same as passing a law. Are you conflating the two or do you have additional sources? Because I can't find any evidence that was made a law.

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melsaskca 1 point 4 months ago

No, just something I heard or read a long time ago. If not a law, some sort of official status or recognition anyway.

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DisgruntledGorillaGang 2 points 4 months ago

Which is not remotely the same thing as passing a law.

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prole 103 points 4 months ago

Dude LITERALLY raped his ex wife.

Dude was convicted of sexual assault.

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ChickenLadyLovesLife 26 points 4 months ago

Sexual assault that the presiding judge said would have been legally rape if not for New York's strict definition of "rape" as involving penile-vaginal penetration.

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Brickhead92 7 points 4 months ago

That's a pretty shitty definition New York.

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magnetosphere 5 points 4 months ago

Yes, it was. They changed the legal definition shortly after Mango Mussolini’s trial. If convicted today, what he did would legally be called rape.

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ChickenLadyLovesLife 2 points 4 months ago

Let's give them some slack -- at least they fucking hate trump.

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kryptonianCodeMonkey 22 points 4 months ago

He was determined by a jury in court to have sexually abused E. Jean Carroll too. While the case was a civil suit for sexual abuse (and defamation), not a criminal charge for rape, he was still determined to have committed specific acts that do constitute first degree rape under New York law, a crime for which there is no statute of limitations. In other words, he's not a convicted rapist, but still definitely a rapist, just an as yet unconvicted one.

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Canonical_Warlock 71 points 4 months ago

*pedophile

*rapist

*rapist

*rape

*pedophile

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bitjunkie 20 points 4 months ago

uNaLiVe*

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KelvarCherry 2 points 4 months ago

seriously... we're talking about global elites who are raping and killing people. just say the words.... ;-;

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RunJun 70 points 4 months ago

How the FUCK, is there already a 60 Minutes interview about this?

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Railcar8095 75 points 4 months ago

They had weeks to prepare for it.

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8oow3291d 3 points 4 months ago

Doesn't make sense. If O’Donnell is in league with Trump, then why would she be butchering Trump like this?

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Bigfishbest 35 points 4 months ago

Ever seen good old Babylon 5? When the corrupt president seizes the media and uses it for propaganda etc. There are still good people in the media, but they can't be openly critical or they will be removed. Subtle jabs like this are pretty much all they'll be willing to risk.

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8oow3291d 7 points 4 months ago

But if this is all a plot by the US government, and the assassin is presumably in on it, then why would the manifest be talking about pedophiles at all? That is not the kind of fake manifest Team Trump would have written.

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Bassman1805 24 points 4 months ago

The topic was "White House Correspondents Dinner" and was planned way ahead of time. The reporters were just quick to adapt to the real story of the dinner.

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RunJun 3 points 4 months ago

Thank you for the actual answer.

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Typotyper 7 points 4 months ago

The white house booked it last week as part of the planned shooting /s

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JcbAzPx 3 points 4 months ago

You don't really need the '/s'.

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DarkFuture 53 points 4 months ago

Adjudicated rapist.

Openly speaks about sexually assaulting women.

Has made many very creepy remarks about his daughter as well as other people's daughters.

Is the single most prominently featured individual in the Epstein Files.

So it's 100% accurate to call him a rapist and reasonably implicated pedophile.

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shalafi 6 points 4 months ago

He doesn't think he is. He paid for it, so it's a fair transaction.

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aesthelete 1 point 4 months ago

That's why he had a break with Epstein, because Epstein "stole" some of "his people".

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Tollana1234567 2 points 4 months ago

one other notable daughter he made is toward a young paris hilton.

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Treczoks 51 points 4 months ago

Thank you, miss O'Donnell. Not all heroes wear capes.

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generic_computers 44 points 4 months ago

It's ok to say "rape" and "pedophile" on the internet.

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marxismtomorrow 32 points 4 months ago
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lifeinlarkhall 8 points 4 months ago

Lol I'm here because reddit banned me because I mentioned a murder-suicide case that was another commenter was trying to recall. Apparently I "threatened violence" 🤷‍♀️ is lemmy as as easily triggered? 🤔

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marxismtomorrow 2 points 4 months ago

Just certain instances. There is no 'one' lemmy.' which is the entire point of federated services (despite what .world admins think).

Most Lemmy instances are fine for most discussions of most things. .World is by far the most restrictive and most like reddit and other zionist-owned and ran services. Because it is owned and run by zionists. See !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com for wide ranging examples and reasons why .world is insane.

In general this is the only reason you need to pay attention to the instance you're on. If you, as a .world user, frequently start posting anti-zionist rhetoric like 'Maybe we shouldn't kill children or use literal fucking rape-trained dogs on prisoners' you might find yourself banned or shadow banned pretty quickly.

Just like if you're too right-wing to understand why capitalism is bad, and you repeat neoliberal propaganda against socialism as a .ml user, you'd be banned.

The only really universal rules for commonly federated lemmy instances is no CSAM (ignore ani.social) and don't send death threats/hate speech (unless you're a .world admin and the target is palestinians, I cannot stress enough how much the entire lemmy.world admin team hates brown people native to the land of Palestine that are currently being genocided by the terrorist settler state of Israel and it's dog the United States.)

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lifeinlarkhall 2 points 4 months ago

Ah yeah I'm still getting my head around the whole instances thing but good to know so thanks for that. I'd honestly never even heard the term of federated in regards to socials/forums etc before looking up alternatives to reddit 😅

Also what the actual fuck with those military dogs, sickening stuff. Very disturbing when humans are using other animals to humiliate and assault people like that. The dogs don't have the same understanding of what they're doing as humans would so, to me, that lays entirely on the people who are training and encouraging dogs to engage in that kind of stuff - the intention comes from the human. Ugh, that was a disturbing read!

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InFerNo -3 points 4 months ago

But they are saying it. Everyone knows what's being said. It's understood what's being meant.

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marxismtomorrow 6 points 4 months ago
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InFerNo 4 points 4 months ago

Is a veiled threat not a threat that would hold up in (American ) court ?

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Furbag 39 points 4 months ago

Donald Trump is an adjudicated rapist, so he's definitely lying there with that denial.

That doesn't make the entire statement true, but if it were false I suspect the Epstein files would have been released in full unredacted by now, as the law requires. It would completely exonerate him, if he had nothing to hide.

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MrSulu 38 points 4 months ago

The moron doth protest too much

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DakRalter 25 points 4 months ago

Hey, he didn't deny he was a traitor.

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BarneyPiccolo 3 points 4 months ago

"So you deny being a rapist and pedophile, but agree that you're a Traitor, moving on..."

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yakko 9 points 4 months ago

Fucker talks too much in general

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MrSulu 3 points 4 months ago

Perhaps he simply breathes too much. Or at all would be too much

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jubilationtcornpone 35 points 4 months ago

"I'm not a rapist. I didn't rape anybody." -- Donald Trump, Convicted Rapist

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Lucidlethargy 1 point 4 months ago

Whether comical, sad, or outrageous, nearly everything he says is a lie.

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LodeMike 32 points 4 months ago

Why the fuck wouldn't he think the manifesto is referring to him?

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Noite_Etion 24 points 4 months ago

To be fair, he thinks everything is about him.

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Eximius 5 points 4 months ago

Intense biblical narcicism + heavy dementia.

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LodeMike 2 points 4 months ago

I don't understand.

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rayyy 27 points 4 months ago

In his criminal mind, they can't prove it so he can lie about it but EVERYBODY knows exactly who they are referring to when they mention pedophile and rapist. Releasing the unredacted Epstein files is his greatest fear - people will die before he allows it.

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possumparty 15 points 4 months ago

People have already died

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kent_eh 9 points 4 months ago

In his criminal mind, they can't prove it

It has already been proven in court.

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matlag 2 points 4 months ago

It's not he can lie about it, it's he cannot admit any other version. You could have him found guilty, release the Epstein files, have him raping someone on video, he will claim over and over that everything is fake and he's not guilty. Dude is not cabled to admit any wrong doing.

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Abrinoxus 23 points 4 months ago

He never said he is not a traitor?

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Phantom_Engineer 13 points 4 months ago

I mean, I don't think the shooter was talking about the mentalist.

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AdolfSchmitler 5 points 4 months ago

Shooter is Red John confirmed

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Tiral 7 points 4 months ago

This dude is such a damn joke.

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m3t00 7 points 4 months ago

at the grand ballroom opening. Epstein memorial exhibits

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sanbdra 3 points 4 months ago

That last line hit like a plot twist you saw coming 😅

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magnetosphere 3 points 4 months ago

“Oh, do you think he was referring to you?” is now one of my all-time favorite burns. As maddening and inadequate as the press can be, at least they’ve figured out that Trump is easy to bait.

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nonentity 1 point 4 months ago

It’s a reasonable defence for the suspect if they can identify another rapist, pedophile, traitor as the intended target; an equally trivial and challenging task given the attendees.

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FinjaminPoach 1 point 4 months ago

Do we have bits of the the full version of the shooter's manifesto yet? Trying to understand why he did it and perhaps why strike that location.

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LostWon 1 point 4 months ago

That's what the journalist is reading from in the meme. You can find the interview online and you can find people discussing the contents of the accused shooter's alleged message. Apparently it's about 1000 words long and I haven't found it in its entirety but that's probably out there. Most folks are just discussing the part in the meme here and also the parts where he talks about who he considers a legitimate target (essentially just Trump admin officials and people who shoot at him; no one else).

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FinjaminPoach 2 points 4 months ago

Source https://nypost.com/...

Disclaimer: comment is not intended to promote terrorism, just to make an already public article more readable for those curious to read it. Understanding the mentality of such people helps us to avoid these situations in the future (e.g don't allow pedos to rule any nation).

Cole Allen’s manifesto in full: ::: spoiler (opening comments)

Hello everybody!

So I may have given a lot of people a surprise today. Let me start off by apologizing to everyone whose trust I abused.

I apologize to my parents for saying I had an interview without specifying it was for “Most Wanted.”

I apologize to my colleagues and students for saying I had a personal emergency (by the time anyone reads this, I probably most certainly DO need to go to the ER, but can hardly call that not a self-inflicted status.)

I apologize to all of the people I traveled next to, all the workers who handled my luggage, and all the other non-targeted people at the hotel who I put in danger simply by being near.

I apologize to everyone who was abused and/or murdered before this, to all those who suffered before I was able to attempt this, to all who may still suffer after, regardless of my success or failure.

I don’t expect forgiveness, but if I could have seen any other way to get this close, I would have taken it. Again, my sincere apologies.

On to why I did any of this:

I am a citizen of the United States of America.

What my representatives do reflects on me.

And I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist, and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes.

(Well, to be completely honest, I was no longer willing a long time ago, but this is the first real opportunity I’ve had to do something about it.)

While I’m discussing this, I’ll also go over my expected rules of engagement (probably in a terrible format, but I’m not military so too bad.)

Administration officials (not including Mr. Patel): they are targets, prioritized from highest-ranking to lowest

Secret Service: they are targets only if necessary, and to be incapacitated non-lethally if possible (aka, I hope they’re wearing body armor because center mass with shotguns messes up people who aren’t

Hotel Security: not targets if at all possible (aka unless they shoot at me)

Capitol Police: same as Hotel Security

National Guard: same as Hotel Security

Hotel Employees: not targets at all

Guests: not targets at all

In order to minimize casualties I will also be using buckshot rather than slugs (less penetration through walls)

I would still go through most everyone here to get to the targets if it were absolutely necessary (on the basis that most people chose to attend a speech by a pedophile, rapist, and traitor, and are thus complicit) but I really hope it doesn’t come to that. :::

Rebuttals to objections:

Objection 1: As a Christian, you should turn the other cheek.

Rebuttal: Turning the other cheek is for when you yourself are oppressed. I’m not the person raped in a detention camp. I’m not the fisherman executed without trial. I’m not a schoolkid blown up or a child starved or a teenage girl abused by the many criminals in this administration.

Turning the other cheek when someone else is oppressed is not Christian behavior; it is complicity in the oppressor’s crimes.

Objection 2: This is not a convenient time for you to do this.

Rebuttal: I need whoever thinks this way to take a couple minutes and realize that the world isn’t about them. Do you think that when I see someone raped or murdered or abused, I should walk on by because it would be “inconvenient” for people who aren’t the victim?

This was the best timing and chance of success I could come up with

Objection 3: You didn’t get them all.

Rebuttal: Gotta start somewhere.

Objection 4: As a half-black, half-white person, you shouldn’t be the one doing this.

Rebuttal: I don’t see anyone else picking up the slack

Objection 5: Yield unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.

Rebuttal: The United States of America are ruled by the law, not by any one or several people. In so far as representatives and judges do not follow the law, no one is required to yield them anything so unlawfully ordered.

I would also like to extend my appreciation to a great many people since I will not be likely to be able to talk with them again (unless the Secret Service is astoundingly incompetent.)

Thank you to the many acquaintances I’ve met, in person and online, for short interactions and long-term relationships, for your perspectives and inspiration.

Thank you all for everything.

Sincerely,

Cole “coldForce” “Friendly Federal Assassin” Allen

(Closing comments)

PS: Ok now that all the sappy stuff is done, what the hell is the Secret Service doing? Sorry, gonna rant a bit here and drop the formal tone.

Like, I expected security cameras at every bend, bugged hotel rooms, armed agents every 10 feet, metal detectors out the wazoo.

What I got (who knows, maybe they’re pranking me!) is nothing.

No damn security.

Not in transport.

Not in the hotel.

Not in the event.

Like, the one thing that I immediately noticed walking into the hotel is the sense of arrogance.

I walk in with multiple weapons and not a single person there considers the possibility that I could be a threat.

The security at the event is all outside, focused on protestors and current arrivals, because apparently no one thought about what happens if someone checks in the day before.

Like, this level of incompetence is insane, and I very sincerely hope it’s corrected by the time this country gets actually competent leadership again.

Like, if I was an Iranian agent, instead of an American citizen, I could have brought a damn Ma Deuce in here and no one would have noticed s–t.

Actually insane.

Oh and if anyone is curious is how doing something like feels: it’s awful. I want to throw up; I want to cry for all the things I wanted to do and never will, for all the people whose trust this betrays; I experience rage thinking about everything this administration has done.

Can’t really recommend it! Stay in school, kids


I'll tag on my personal thoughts about this:

  • devoutly christian schoolteachers are trying to kill donald trump now. Maybe he should pack it in, resign, take a prison plea.
  • Don't think iran has agents, at least not ones they're sending as far as USA and Britain for the purposes of sabotage. They'd probably prioritise monitoring instead, if they have any.
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LostWon 1 point 4 months ago

Thanks! ♥

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HappyZed30 1 point 4 months ago

uh oh

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FlashMobOfOne 0 points 4 months ago
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vga 0 points 4 months ago
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ThatGuy46475 -1 points 4 months ago

The guy who tried to shoot you was referring to you when he said why. Not really a gotcha

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Doomsider 67 points 4 months ago

The current information is that he wasn't their to shoot the president, but to attack certain politicians.

So this assumption on his part indicates guilt. That is how a detective investigating a crime would see it.

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