A wild lemmygrad appears.
Which instance do you choose as counter?

I actually don't think the Lemmy Platform decentralization is working at all. This is evidenced by the fact that several times the tankie lemmy devs have pushed a top of the site banner to beg for donations to help run Lemmy ml, and most instance owners admit they're not equipped to audit the code and remove it.

I think Piefed is a superior solution for that reason.

to fight like Pokémon

HEXBEAR! I CHOOSE YOU!

USE PIGPOOPBALLS!!!

medias

That's already plural. It's like a hat on a hat.

It is in-fact working. No one is banned by their own instance for aligning with their opinion. If they are banned by a different instance, they can create their own community in their instance. Block them, block their instance, do fuck all to never hear from them again.

I know there are a lots of shills from mothership throwing shade on decentralization but this is what actual "freedom" on the internet is like that hasn't been around since forums disappeared.

If this ain't for you. GTFO.

lots of little islands of censorship

great

the astronaut meme but its 'wait that is how almost everything ever has worked this whole time?'

lemmy just fundamentally attempts to accept that that is basically how people work, when you boil things down and remove the rationalizations, and tries to provide mechanisms to manage this somewhat less insanely.

For real. I can't even keep up with what db0's weird ass mod stances are. I just wanna look at memes and chat with people

I feel like this is an overly extreme take. Coming off of being on reddit for years I am astounded on a day to day with just how much I can actually get away with saying on Lemmy and expressing myself here. I find myself continuously reflecting on the fact that even in my most liberal (in the literary sense) takes with others, I'm still holding back, sugarcoating, or discounting things as "worth saying" at least 30% of the time. I don't know what's going on over on piefed, but Lemmy as a whole has been the opposite of authoritarian censorship for me. I've never felt more outspoken in an online presence.

Our admins are lovely but severely overworked. Most admin teams I’ve interacted with are kind but overladen. Some are definitely emotionally stunted but I definitely wouldn’t establish that as a rule

are like virtual nation-states and the admin teams are ALL despotic auth-rulers with the temperaments of toddlers

So just like the big ones minus the capitalistic machine...

People fail to understand that exactly this is the concept of a federation. You only agree on a few things, in this case the software, everything else, however, is fully individual.

Federation is not the solution here. The only solution that would work is peer to peer - no hosts at all, pure anarchy.

simdem?

Does your instance have open signups? I'm pretty tired of the assumptions people make about me due to db0

Same. I spun up a PieFed instance just for little ol' me, but this drama is way beyond me

me asf

The funny part is that as a db0 user, I haven’t even really seen the drama. I’ve seen people talking about the drama, but the only thing I’ve directly seen has been when the db0 admins got banned. Which seemed pretty funny on a petty level, but also raises a lot of questions about whether or not they’d still be able to effectively moderate if they’re banned from instances that their users are still interacting on.

Like if piefed were to ban a db0 admin, could that db0 admin still see (and take action) when a piefed user is causing trouble on db0? Does the ban hide piefed users, and potentially allow them to break db0 rules with impunity? Or inversely, piefed would have no right to complain about db0 users causing trouble on piefed communities if the db0 admins can’t see it to take action. If I were to go post something bad on piefed, could the db0 admins see it to take action against me? I’m honestly not sure how the mod tools would work in that instance, especially if the ban prevents the banned admin from seeing the offending posts in either direction.

I’m not saying instance admins should have carte blanche to do whatever they want without risk of getting banned. But banning an admin should probably be considered more heavily than simply banning a regular user, especially if you’re still planning on remaining federated with that instance.

I can see an argument being made that an admin ban should automatically defederate the admin’s instance, unless the mod tools still allow the banned admin to police their own users. But even then, allowing the banned admin to circumvent the ban using mod tools runs the risk of completely defeating the purpose of the ban. Because it would essentially allow the banned admin to evade (or at least partially evade) the ban by falling back to the mod tools instead. For instance, what if an admin was banned for stalking or harassing a user, but the admin tools still allow the banned admin to stalk and harass that user? In that case, the banning instance has made a good faith attempt to protect their user from the banned admin, and the built-in tools are preventing that action from being effective. Or inversely, what if one instance admin bans another, to attempt to hide their activities on the banned admin’s home instance? If the db0 admin is banned from piefed, can they still see piefed users who interact with db0 communities? If not, that could easily be abused to enable brigading/raiding/takeovers/etc.

It’s a tricky game of push and pull. One side of me wants to say that banning an instance admin shouldn’t prevent them from seeing your instance at all, because you’re still federated. Stop them from posting or commenting as a regular user, but still allow them to do admin things like police their users’ comments. After all, if you’re still federated, they should be fully able to police their own users. If db0’s admin can’t see activity on piefed, piefed loses the right to complain when db0 users cause trouble on piefed.

But that runs the risk of making bans seem pointless, and would push admins towards defederation instead. Especially since basically anyone can spin up an instance and become their own admin. And (at least in my mind) defederation should be a last resort, not a first choice. Because defederation has the potential to affect vast swaths of the fediverse, not just the admin directly.

same here, i tried to understand the dbzero/pefed drama, its all tankies trying argue with the ADMINS how thier misinformation harrasments, and peddling isnt what they claim, but they would not be so kind in return. that staments users was up to something a few months ago with the piefed admins, i assume he leans into tankie territoriy. its the same as arguing with conservatives since they are a mirror image, had enough of propaganda on reddit to ignore this.

Lemmy is a reddit-style forum framework on the fediverse. People clone a copy and launch their own instances which can communicate with each other, so that no one person can rule over it.

So theres these guys who want China to win a nuclear war and the enslavement of trans people into labor camps, Lemmy ML and Hexbear. They are the Lemmy Developers and all money for lemmy development goes to them.

Then theres this Rimu dude who started development of PieFed which is just another framework to do the same exact thing that Lemmy does and they communicate with each other flawlessly, which makes the Tankies super duper angry because they wanted you to fund their autocratic ideology and help them spread propaganda.

The reason so many people are so involved in this is that you're either on a Lemmy based instance or a PieFed based instance, so this does directly impact everyone here reading this.

Don't you understand, the Fediverse is serious business!

Apparently there was an argument that resulted in piefed mods banning all leftists instances, including myself...

Oh, I'm not actually irritated about it, I just couldn't find a better place to post it lol. I got a good laugh about it and I figured posting it somewhere would lead to more laughs from the tankies

No sane person would be mad about not being able to interact with Tankies.

PPB is "Pig Pooping on Balls." One of hexbear's favorite reaction photos is a pig with testicles so large they stick out back, and the pig literally has some of its own poop resting on its gargantuan balls.

So I guess they have a list of users they see as helpless, ignorant pigs. Delightful bunch, those hexbears.

🤷 who cares? Obviously it's the list that anyone that dares speak against the CCP goes on

It's a joke that went over OP's head.

He came to Hexbear to sling shit and get banned so that he'd have something to whine about.

One user, recognizing the irony, made a joke about Hexbear having it's own list. A mod thought the joke was funny and decided to commit to the bit by putting it in the modlog, while also limiting it to a 24 hour ban.

That way, he got the ban he went looking for and he gets to make this post, but he also looks completely ridiculous whining about it to anyone paying attention.

The replies to my comment on that post are my favorite. Truly zero self awareness.

The developer of piefed. Tankies hate him for obvious reasons.

He's the piefed dev.

Piefed is a 1 to 1 replacement for lemmy, compatible with other fediverse things.

I joined a piefed instance specifically to move away from the lemmy devs.

Now it turns out the piefed dev is a petulant fief lord.

Fuck if I know lol, I don't really keep up with all of the fediverse drama

Rimu is GOAT.

yeah same. got banned for a few and decided it was actually quite nice then set up an instance block for .ml.

real leftists aren't bootlickers for anyone.

I got banned from Some science memes communality because I made a racist joke

We are not the same

the mistake was going into .ml posts, i avoid all 3 tankie posts of any kind.

Lol good

Something something Boston tea party

oh no a 24 hour ban!

So they didn't do the worst censorship they could possibly do. But it is still censorship.

And yet here you are, continuing to take the bait. Y'all just can't help yourselves 😂

i loved how all i have to do is read the modlog for people talking about wanting to 'purge' 'takies'[sic] and it's shit like this:

Or become the wall they hit their heads against