Plex Announces Massive Price Hike on Lifetime Subscription Plans
3 months ago by inclementimmigrant to c/technology
Plex has announced a massive price increase on the service's Lifetime Plex Pass. On July 1, the lifetime subscription option will go from $249.99 to $749.99, an increase of 200%. The price hike will only apply to new subscribers, with no changes to monthly or annual subscription pricing.
Early adopter club ๐๐
I have underwear older then jellyfin. Plex was the only option for some time
Edit: Alright, alright, it wasn't the only option, but it was the cleanest/easiest way to make a home server feel like a streaming service that I knew of at the time
It was?
I started streaming video in around 2001. Over SMB. Using VLC as the client.
Then I switched to using iTunes as a server.
Then came XMPP/Kodi.
And eventually, Jellyfin.
Every few years, Iโve tried Plex, and itโs never done quite what I wanted, and required security/privacy compromises. About the only thing it has going for it is that the client and the server will run on just about anything.
I have underwear older then jellyfin.
The scary part and the reason I never paid is because I think they will shut down plex soon. No one is paying for streaming services anymore and those giants will start coming down on the gov to do something about it. EU is coming down pretty hard on IPTV and torrent sites already.
The EU shouldn't because most of those streaming services are American. So it's only good for us if people pirate. It offsets some of the tariffs Trump has levied.
And it's those services' own fault. They offered a decent value for money for years. Now they keep wanting more and more. Rising fees, content disappearing to other platforms but still asking for more money. Adding ads and then asking for money to remove them. Eventually people are sick of it and go like ๐
I don't know why anyone would pay that instead of using Jellyfin. I've had my server up for years now and it works great.
I havenโt checked in on Jellyfin for a while now, but donโt they still have issues with hardware transcoding support?
Not to mention the lack of software clients on other platforms for just playback that Plex has been established on for years and even multiple device generations like with PlayStation, Roku, Fire Stick, etc.?
Also you have to configure your own reverse proxy / Tailscale set up to securely access a content library remotely, right - as opposed Plexโs relatively simpler remote access configuration?
Surprise, surprise, a paid product with salaried developers has more features than a volunteer project!
More people using Jellyfin, more people who will contribute, through code or donations. It's worth a downside to swap over.
Especially given the new "lifetime" price. More people will switch to Jellyfin. Plex lifetime might be shorter.
Hopefully that gets better - I run both side by side pointed at the same folders so the exact same media is available in both. I offer all my friends the choice and list every alternate app I know of, inevitably they all prefer Plex.
Because Emby is a closed source application and Lemmy is an open source platform with community member who prefer open source solutions to closed source. Your out here screaming at Linux bros "why not choose apple??"
Especially on non-GPU systems, Jellyfin is slower at transcoding than Plex. I donโt know the internals, but I have both running in the sam machine, and Plex is always noticeably more responsive. Not by a huge margin, but still it is.
I have zero experience with those two products but when it comes to transcoding there are various toggles that affect the quality and speed.
It looks also like commercial products generally optimize for speed while open source tends to be more concerned about quality.
Of course this could be completely wrong in this case but that's the general tendency I noticed. Do they allow to change settings?
They do, and I experimented with both, but wasnโt able to get better performance from Jellyfin compared to Plex. Always running on the same hardware. Still run both though, just in case.
I have not personally experienced any issues with hardware transcoding. My server is an old Dell Optiplex and I use clients on Linux, Android, Roku and Shield.
Yes you are correct about remote access and if that was a priority for me, I would happily learn that part instead of paying for Plex.
I have an ~80GB movie that I can watch on a TV that can't even handle the data rate for that file, nevermind the codecs.
But if the couple minutes to click "this client can't handle anything over 60Mbps x264" is too much work, then by all means keep paying for Plex. Or "hypothetically" find a smaller copy of that movie.
I'm always amazed by the number of people who absolutely can't leave Plex because they've got 14 grandparents streaming 8k rips all day every day.
Last I looked, jellyfin auth and public facing security were less than ideal.
How far has that come in the last few years? I have plenty of people using my Plex and it's been secure. I had heard a public facing Jellyfin wasn't super secure.
Honestly, 95% of the reason I use Plex is so I don't have to manage user passwords and troubleshoot issues for my friends and family. I just grant access.
I moved from the default jellyfin login method to using Authentik as the identity provider. Now its part of my homelab setup where all services have SSO, and I don't have to create/manage an account for each person for each service.
Does that break Jellyfin apps on smart TVs or media devices?
A lot of people seem to have concerns with how Jellyfin handles access control and some have stated that the developers marked some major issues as โwonโt fixโ. Is there somewhere I can catch up on that?
LDAP works fine, OIDC not so much, only the web client would work.
There are still talks around making OIDC a first class citizen and IIRC it is planned as per the feature page but I guess the major core upgrade around the DB took a lot of attention the last 6-12 months.
But in the meantime I've just spun up an LDAP outpost for my Authentik that my Jellyfin connects to. It breaks MFA but otherwise it works. It may be a bit confusing for users that they log in at jellyfin.site.com but anything user-related like updating password is at authentik.site.com and requires an extra login.
This. I run a Kubernetes cluster and self host tons of shit . . . but I do NOT want to be dealing with client issues for Boomer relatives and worrying about securing servers that a Samsung TV needs to auth with
I only need my server to work locally so I haven't messed with that part personally. But I've read that setting up tailscale is straightforward and works fine. There are many other solutions to the problem. I would definitely invest a lot of effort before paying for Plex.
Unfortunately, that's probably not gonna happen without some new hardware.
You could setup a wire guard at the router (can you setup tail scale on a router? idk). If she's renting the ISP router, replacing that could save a 100+ a year, depending on how much the isp is scamming her for it.
or you could repurpose a minipc/nuc from bay and set up a jellyfin streaming box with tailscale.
If you have the extra hardware, you could also setup a local server with her jellyfin and use wiregaurd/tailscale to remotely connect to it and run backup/sync during off-hours.
https://www.gl-inet.com/products/gl-ar300m/
Configure one of these to sit between the TV and your mother's network and pass all the tv traffic through an exit node on your jellyfin network.
Most smart TVs have a tailscale app you can install directly on device. Roku is an exception to that.
It's essentially a one time fee for an indefinite service of handling the vpn side of the setup.
I use Jellyfin on my local network and plex externally because I don't know how to route specific traffic with openvpn on my phone and can't be bothered switching it off and on when streaming things ๐
I'm not sure how it's sustainable, and am surprised they still offer the life pass at all though.
I guess a lot of people buy it who don't need it?
I still probably wouldn't pay the current price for it though, I got it about a decade ago lol.
Oh also plexamp has a better UX than jellyfin for music, but I don't think that alone would justify the current price.
Tailscale is the answer to easily and remotely access jellyfin and your server. Its easy to setup and very secure.
Dude seriously it's so much easier than anything else. For a personal media server with remote access, jellyfin + tailscale on an old computer you may have laying around plugged into your router is all you need
Yep, exactly what I've been telling people. And then they complain that tvs dont have the ability to have the tailscale app on them. So, then buy a cheap android box, even an Onn 4K from Walmart would work for like 25 bucks and install tailscale and jellyfin on it.
It really is easy to set up though lol. I didn't know anything about self hosting about 2 years ago. There's so many guides and tutorials to use to help set it up too.
You're not wrong. I would just rather learn Headscale or nginx or any other option than pay that Plex subscription. But I'm sure there are people out there who have extremely valuable time and wouldn't hesitate to fork over 750.
How much do you donate to jellyfin? If I sum up my 20 bucks per year for the next 50 years, I end up with 1000 bucks. If I wanted to pay today, I'd donate even more to jellyfin. (Neglecting inflation)
I haven't looked at Emby in a long time. Last I checked, it wasn't as capable or feature rich as Jellyfin or Plex
If it works for you, great!
My Jellyfin server goes, "Burrrrrrr!"
Honestly, I made the switch about 6 months ago and haven't looked back once. The Jellyfin native Android TV app is a bit lacking, but I recently installed Wholpin and find it much better!
My only other gripe is that Plex allows you to set subtitle and audio language preferences per library while JF only allows one preference for the whole server. This is annoying for those of us enjoying foreign language films, where I often end up having to play with the settings every time I want to watch a foreign feature.
I've also heard that some people miss the syndication of Plex, where you have one account connected to many servers. I only connect to my own, so don't know much about this.
There is a syndicated Jellyfin project. Not tried it.
Plex announces that it is tired of having all of these customers buying their software
An absolutely insane number of self hosting options require a subscription for now fucking reasoning.
Not a one time buy which would at least make sense. No no! Its a monthly fee AND half the time they require a Internet connection and checkin. Just to SELF HOST.
its fucking baffling.
Not a one time buy which would at least make sense. No no! Its a monthly fee AND half the time they require a Internet connection and checkin. Just to SELF HOST.
Yeah, the DRM has to make sure your subscription is up to date. For the service you provide all the hardware for. The service you will personally have to install and maintain.
Not really. What Plex is selling is a relay service, so you can connect to your home media remotely, just like you can do with Tailscale etc. the second thing they are selling is user management, easily share media library with other people. Both of these are hard to set up for many people in Jellyfin
Lazy ones will just keep paying monthly. Industrious ones might move to jellyfin. The main thing this will do is separate a few fools from their money get people to stop buying lifetime passes.
It's safe to say they want people to be stuck paying monthly so they can have more consistent income i guess.
At least when paying monthly it's easier to see the worth in swapping to Jellyfin (because you aren't trying to maximize the 1k you dropped for lifetime).
Honestly if youโre a smaller server, or anywhere decent at tinkering Jellyfin is the better product at this point
I tried switching and I'll try again. But getting https reverse proxy was a lot of moving parts that I never got working.
The instructions were a long chain of learning:
Install ngnx for reverse proxy
Ngnx only available as docker
Install docker
Docker not working because I don't understand it.
Install podman
Give up and go back to 3d printing where I have a backlog of stuff that actually needs to be done.
I think it's the other way around. Jellyfin recommends docker.
Just for the record, Iโd generally suggest not using docker for nginx unless you are more comfortable with docker images than installing software (and keeping it up to date) on bare metal.
Just install tailscale and run everything behind it. Too easy to set up
Can a random person (my mother in law and other non techie family) connect to my tailscaled jellyfin using a Roku or AppleTV? I thought tailscale needs a wireguard client.
It does. People often throw this out there as if it fits all situations, but it doesn't. Plex is handling the proxying for you which is what makes it so easy.
A better comparison, if running your own reverse proxy was too complicated, would be to use something like Cloudflare Tunnels. However that's still extra steps, they dont want you media streaming on their free plan, and you still have the issue of Jellyfin not being the most secure code that you really want to open up to the whole internet. That's why a one size fits all answer is difficult.
Spoiler: They canโt. There is no Roku Tailscale app. AppleTV recently got VPN support.
Everyone loves to yell โJellyfinโ without realizing all of the shortcomings because itโs free.
Well they can if those tvs allow the tailscale app to be installed. If not then Walmart sells very cheap ONN 4K boxes for like 20 bucks and then the tailscale and jellyfin apps can be installed on that.
I can kind of understand why they don't want users buying a lifetime pass. It means they will not get any further funding from that person. It's worth the tradeoff when you are smaller and need funding, but kind of a hinderance once you are more established.
Either way, I'm glad I purchased the lifetime pass when it was much cheaper years ago.
Yeah Lifetime Passes are unsustainable for a service. The only reason they exist is to attract some early adopters, keep them and if lucky enough have them bring more customers.
The only viable path forward is to discontinue the purchase of new lifetime licenses, or make them exponentially expensive.
At this point, I think we all can see the critical tipping point of enshittification writing on the wall for Plex.
I know everyone says Jellyfin, but given how easy Plex still handles hardware transcoding on many common current standard NAS configurations as well as the somewhat non-standard network configurations needed to otherwise easily yet securely access content remotely from external locations, not to mention the decent UX and deep integration across all client platforms whether web, iOS, Android, Smart TV, and even things like PlayStation and Xbox hardware, but do others here have some any thoughts on how to jump ship to get 1:1 features here at some point?
Many people have been on Plex for more than a decade and have seen it slowly try to reposition its business model to one that is leaning toward something more akin to a streaming subscription rather than a simple personal content library softwareโฆ but I still have yet to feel the need to switchโฆ at least not yet.
I was an early adopter to Plex, came over from Boxee when it was a thing and bought a very inexpensive lifetime pass.
I jumped ship about a year ago to jellyfin. I use tailscale and just help people set it up. After initial setup, it's a toggle and start jellyfin and it functions pretty close to Plex. My users use the Onn box or Nvidia shield. Almost nothing has to transcode. I had issues with poorly encoded mp4 files but mkv streams flawlessly without transcode. Transcode itself is limited by graphics chip.
One note, I don't add people to my tailscale, each user has their own tailnet and then I join it to mine by inviting them to my server. This gets around the 3 user limit.
Overall, some annoyance and pain but not bad and people went along with my plan and now it's just normal.
My thing was, it's my server. If they want what I have then buy an Onn or whatever and spend 15 minutes setting things up. Or don't. ยฏโ \โ _โ (โ ใโ )โ _โ /โ ยฏ
How does it work on TVs? You start Tailscale on the TV, and have to toggle it every time you use Jellyfin?
You dont have to toggle it on. It can be set to be on at every boot automatically. We turn our android boxes off and when we turn them back on, tailscale is already connected and Jellyfin stays open and is on screen when turning the box on. As far as tvs go, if the app is available then it would be the same.
Oh, that's great. But just to be clear, when it's toggled on, that means all traffic on that device is getting routed back through the host Tailscale client (not just Plex), right?
How much longer before the yearly/monthly goes up this much.
Yeah - they know that you are using the service a lot. They know that you are willing to pay. But they are not getting ongoing revenue from you. That is something no MBA manager CEO dude can accept. They will come for lifetime users
Yeah eventually they will figure out to nullify the old cheap lifetime subscriptions.
I'm just waiting for them to decide all the lifetime members need to pay monthly and kill off the lifetime memberships. Probably by having a 'new' version that for some made up reason can only function on the blood of the unborn on monthly subscriptions. Where the only real change will be a different UI that's missing features which they will tout as "cleaner".
Ok cool, now let me stream to my own network locally without the internet...
I use Infuse for that. Works great.
Laugh while you can monkey boy! But in 2037 when its $75000 for a lifetime pass, I'll be the one laughing then!
If you just live long enough this is an amazing deal! A steal I tell you!
If you don't see it that way you are timid and weak and don't have the confidence to survive another 6 or 7 decades!
I really should get around to kicking my setup over to jellyfin and navidrome.
Yes you should. I run both and absolutely love them.
I wonder if instead of Jellyfin + Tailscale, people should be doing Jellyfin + Netbird.
Netbird offers a reverse proxy, so you can easily expose Jellyfin to the public Internet and not have to jump through hoops for friends and family...
https://docs.netbird.io/manage/reverse-proxy
At least, in theory... I haven't tried this setup yet, but I'm thinking about it...
I bought my parent's an Android TV, just so they could install Tailscale on it. Unfortunately, Android TV keeps killing Tailscale or doesn't launch it on boot. They're old, so they can't really troubleshoot VPN issues.
I use Jellyfin with Wireguard, Caddy, and Fail2Ban https://codeberg.org/skjalli/jellyfin-vps-setup
tailscale also offers a reverse proxy through their "funnel" - https://tailscale.com/...
but I've been looking at netbird and might switch, so who knows what i'll be using a year from now
Posted this link earlier and it got deleted with no mod log. Anyone able to explain so I can avoid future issues?
I already have lifetime but there have been increasingly more and more yellow/orange flags recently.
For you jellyfin folk: Is there a good solution to being able to cache/download episodes/movies ahead of time for "offline mode" with any of the android clients yet? Last time I checked that was a pain point and most solutions boiled down to "just download the file and use VLC". At which point... why am I running a media server when I can just mount a samba share at home?
Iโve said this exact same thing in the past, and been shouted down by the Jellyfin crowd. There is a lot of apologia in the FOSS community, and Jellyfin is one of the worst offenders. It has several known security exploits, and should never be accessible outside of your LAN. But every time I mention it, I inevitably get some chud responding with โlol Iโve had my port forwarded for years and been fineโ as if that is a valid security audit.
And this means your only real option for remote access is a VPN. But that makes sharing with friends/family extremely difficult.
Especially if those family/friends also want to run their own servers, because Jellyfin doesnโt have a centralized โhere are all of your serversโ home page.
It also means you end up playing administrator to all of the โI forgot my password for the ninth time this week, can you reset it for meโ inane requests.
Plex does all of those things really well. Want to share with a friend? Just send them an invite link, and they can access it with their own account. Want to access multiple servers, because you have a few friends who also run theirs? Easy, they can send invite links to you, and youโll access them all directly through the home page. Family member forgot their password? They can click the button and follow the prompts to reset it themselves.
Especially true on reddit, the Plex hate is real - yes they're raising lifetime pass, but it's not valuable to them for you to buy it. That's why it's raised until you only want to use the subscription.
It's especially weird when we mostly agree with them on Plex' path to hell. But when we ask critical questions or point out a weakness of Jellyfin, they act like we drove over their dog. Or they downplay your concern and deflect
It also means you end up playing administrator to all of the โI forgot my password for the ninth time this week, can you reset it for meโ inane requests.
Jellyfin is a self-hosted streaming service. You have just understood the concept of self-hosting, Sir.
your only real option for remote access is a VPN. But that makes sharing with friends/family extremely difficult.
The first part is true. The latter is exaggerated. Yes, it's more of a hassle than just "install the app, follow a link and you're done." That said, if done through wg-easy (a wireguard configuration frontend), it's "install two apps, scan a QR code, enter a server URL and you're done." Also, corporations spoon-feeding users, creating an expectation that tech just magically knows who I am and works on fairydust and rainbows, that's what got us into this mess. Expecting a modicum of setting up from the user isn't too much to ask if they can then access somebody else's services for free.
Yes, an Android app called Streamyfin.
What flags have you seen?
I got a Plex Lifetime Pass mainly for Plexamp + Tidal, but then they removed the Tidal integration. Roon lifetime pass is similar to what Plex is now, which is basically the only other option for this that exists right now.
It was the first one around. Very mature, very solid piece of software. Has clients for everything.
Pro-tip: If the company hasn't already been around for over 100 years, NEVER buy a lifetime pass for ANYTHING.
Why it was $80 and I haven't paid a dime more, lol. If I get 2-3 years out of it that's extremely cheap compared to a $20/mo netflix subscription.
If a company has been around for 5 years and offers a lifetime warranty with a good product and another company has been around for 50, but offers only a year warranty I'm going with the newer company.
Even 2 years of warranty is better than 1.
I bought a lifetime membership for $99 about 20 years ago. Never had one regret.
You got lucky. Companies can, and frequently do, either completely go under after a few years, or revamp their service, shutting down the old one, and saying "This is a NEW service. It requires a NEW lifetime membership."
Unless it's protected by a legal definition, the only thing between your lifetime membership and getting nothing at all is the good will of a company that does not care after they already have your money.
Even if they ARE an "honorable" company, and I use that term loosely, the moment someone buys them, they have absolutely no obligation to honor lifetime memberships. Most EULAs for lifetime memberships give the company total discretion to shut it down at any time for any reason.
Beyond that, $750 seems a LOT like a "kill the golden goose to get the eggs" move. Would look GREAT on a quarterly report of revenue, coming with huge executive bonuses, before selling and getting out, and letting someone else manage running the infrastructure on reduced revenue.
Bottom line? The lifetime membership MIGHT work out, but it's a GAMBLE. It's a gamble that you get in early enough to get your value out before the marks in a ledger indicate it's not worth providing anything for you anymore. Meanwhile, doing the Open Source solution is free now, free forever, and has NO gambling component.
I wouldn't pay that either for a lifetime account. However, in my situation Plex is head and shoulders a better solution than Jellyfish or Emby.
That's a strange take. If you wake up tomorrow and the price of groceries go up 200% would you just say "people are freaking out that paid food is paid"?
How's that corpo boot taste? If you lick it real hard maybe you'll get your own boots, but only if you lick real shiny.
With office nobody expected good things, that was the difference
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