Cellphones went from cool form factor mini computers to mandatory personal identification and spying devices

12 days ago by Krauerking to c/showerthoughts

Anyone else remember then being the cool new thing instead of a mandatory one?

brucethemoose 82 points 12 days ago

I want my jailbroken iPhone 6 back.

That thing was sick. Simpler, yet more customizable than iOS currently is.

And I realize everyone probably has a “things were better back then, shakes fist” opinion, but I have reason to believe my exact setup would blow kids’ minds, transported forward in time.

…Other than the camera. For sure. I’d give kids a mirrorless camera to go with it, and it’d still be cheaper than a modern top end iPhone.

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warm 42 points 12 days ago

And I realize everyone probably has a “things were better back then, shakes fist” opinion

At some point, we have to start admitting that things were just better before. A lot of technology/software peaked ~15 years ago. Before it started sliding into the fucking mess we have these days.

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msage 12 points 11 days ago

Some yes, many no.

Linux drivers? Nowadays you can plug almost anything in and it just works. 15 years ago it may have not been possible to make it work.

The amount of self-hostable open-source software now beats everything from 15 years ago.

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warm 4 points 11 days ago

Yeah, the self-hosted and FOSS side of things will forever be improving, but corporate shit just gets worse in terms of UX. I mean even FOSS projects have awful UX sometimes as they try copying corpos and their web apps.

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msage 2 points 11 days ago

I am not using corpo software for about 6 years now, with Jira/Confluence being the only exception at work, but Windows was never very user friendly. People joke about Linux not being friendly, but it was mostly that those people were used to Windows. But even in Win95, while being better than anything before, and most things after, it wasn't a bastion of UX.

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ilillilillilillililli 30 points 12 days ago

I just got a huge nostalgia blast of the days running Cydia on my iPod Touch 3rd gen. I'd customize Winterboard, install emulators, pirate games. The little, touchscreen computer in my pocket truly felt like it was mine! Then I got a Nexus tablet, hopped on early Android, and felt even more free to use my device how I wanted. Fast forward to today and I feel like some sort of criminal running Graphene and just hoping F-Droid repos exist after Google locks down Android. Tech is way less DIY and hella dystopian, as we move into a full surveillance state and compulsive identity verification. But I digress. Now I'm just rambling and depressed about the future of tech. Thanks OP. 🥲

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LunarLoony 6 points 12 days ago

It's weird to think of Android 4 as "early Android". For me that was the peak.

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ilillilillilillililli 4 points 12 days ago

Indeed. I was a little late to use Android. Jelly Bean was my first real experience with it.

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Krauerking 3 points 12 days ago

I do what I can.

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puck2 2 points 11 days ago

Time to get an android and start tweaking it.

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stickyprimer 1 point 11 days ago

Where did it go?

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brucethemoose 1 point 11 days ago

I honestly have no idea.

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WeLoveCastingSpellz 1 point 11 days ago

I remember when people were soyfacing over Delta emulator e lease a few years back even though jaolbroken users had access to it for over a decade

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other_cat 1 point 11 days ago path: 0 24196594 24222616, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
Drusas 66 points 12 days ago

I remember when it was socially unacceptable to be glued to your iPhone when you go out with people.

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atomicbocks 40 points 12 days ago

I remember when I had to leave my GameBoy in the car…

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mgrecca2026 6 points 12 days ago

i missed the pokemon red, blue, gold and silver versions

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atomicbocks 3 points 12 days ago

I had no idea what Pokémon was in 1998, but for some reason the dude at Walmart or wherever convinced my mom to buy Pokémon Blue with my atomic purple GameBoy Color for Christmas and the rest is history.

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Toes 1 point 12 days ago

I've been playing crystal "legacy" edition on my phone. Been a great return to it.

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lyrial 4 points 12 days ago

I remember when no kind of mobile computing was available to anyone other than corporate execs.

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stickyprimer 6 points 11 days ago

It still is, people are just offending at a high rate.

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No1 27 points 11 days ago

The number of places that expect you to download their app to do business with them, or sign up with them, is beyond disturbing.

I now actively try to make their life difficult. I'll ring up,.or try to order at the counter. I had a table at one place, and rang up and ordered pick up. Better service than I was getting lol

And then I pull out my wallet and try to pay with cash and all hell breaks loose 🤣

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rumba 8 points 11 days ago

I spent 30 minutes looking for an item at Microcenter.

I got someone to help look. no good, can't tell you where it could possibly be.

called up and ordered it for pickup, came back 30 minutes later, there it was at the pickup desk.

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thermal_shock 5 points 11 days ago

My experience getting help is complete opposite. I love microcenter. Lucky to have 3 of them within 45 min of me.

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rumba 2 points 11 days ago

Ohh yeah, I love them, that guy didn't last long there :)

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lefaucet 2 points 11 days ago

Same for me. Super helpful staff. I frequently have to wait a minute because they're helping someone else, but if I hang around in their aisle they ask if I need anything as soon as they're done with the other customer.

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SabinStargem 25 points 11 days ago

Hopefully, I will someday be able to buy a Linux smartphone that is truly controlled by me.

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ZenAspirate 17 points 11 days ago

GrapheneOS with no Google play services/sim is the best experience currently available

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daniskarma 9 points 11 days ago

The year of the linux phone.

I wish it could actually happen. But corporate has learned a lot from the 90s and early 00s. They are lock in experts that won't let that happen easily.

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0x0 3 points 11 days ago

postmarketOS has been making strides ever since Google announced they'd kill sideloading installing 3^rd^ party apps.

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Squizzy 2 points 10 days ago

The list of phones is growing, I hope they get something high end up there. Current gOS is best because I want a phone with a good camera.

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fluffykittycat 4 points 11 days ago

I'm building a cyberdeck

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TranquilTurbulence 1 point 7 days ago

I don’t think that’s the right criteria here. Librem 5 already exists, but that alone doesn’t make it a viable daily driver.

You would need to be able to do nearly everything through the browser without installing any Android or iOS apps. About 15-20 years ago, you could live like that, but can you do that today? I would argue that you can’t, because the world has moved on. Of course, you could always sever your ties with the rest of the world and demand everything to work through a browser because you can’t install the apps everyone else depends on.

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lordnikon 23 points 12 days ago

Yep went down hill after the BlackBerry Storm

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Krauerking 21 points 12 days ago

Oh man, full keyboards... A dream

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lIlIlIlIlIlIl 5 points 12 days ago

That company just rolled out the physical keyboard add on. I’m very lazy, but if pressed I will dig up a link

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Rocketpoweredgorilla 4 points 12 days ago

I've been looking into a new phone, and I'm seriously considering one of those "Unihertz Titan" ones with the physical keyboard.

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Krauerking 4 points 12 days ago

There was a brief moment when there was a tech being talked about that would shift the glass coating to give tactile feedback on a touchscreen...

Going back to something I might finally stop having to completely relearn from changing phone sizes, just sounds better somehow, even though they arent perfect.

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DarkMetatron 2 points 12 days ago

I have a Unihertz Titan, using it to write this, and it is a good phone but it has a strange display ratio that so many apps don't understand. So many apps are borderline unusable and you have to force the display into 16:9 "mini mode". That works but not that good because everything gets tiny in this mode.

The novelty of a hardware keyboard is lost very quickly and I don't think that I would buy the phone again if I knew back then what I knew now. This is not really the fault of the phone but more that nearly all app developer only bother to include a 16:9 vertical screen option and that's it.

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Rocketpoweredgorilla 1 point 11 days ago

Thanks for the info, that's good to know. So the phone is good otherwise? I see on their site they also have some "normal" style phones, maybe I should consider one of them instead.

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puck2 2 points 11 days ago

Unihertz is making some cool phones

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okwhateverdude 3 points 12 days ago

I loved the hell out of my N900. An actual computer in your pocket.

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zod000 2 points 11 days ago

The G1 with the slide out keyboard was so nice from an interface perspective. I had been saying for years and years how I would love a modern version of the G1, but in the last few years smartphones have been ruined enough that I don't even want that anymore.

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mgrecca2026 2 points 12 days ago

i had fun with my classmates testing out software apps which we had developed on BlackBerry Storm

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vepr_jako_pepr 22 points 11 days ago

We can boycot banks that mandate android/ ios apps, we can put phones in faraday cages, we can form new cell operator companies, we can form unions and increase their political power and whilst the republican seats of power atrophy we can guide them by active participation into compassionate forms so they dont become a source of backlash. We can support companies like pinephone and librem for small handhelds if we want, we cant support risc-v, we can use gnu guix and bolster its usability to verify the validity of the software stack.

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manefraim 7 points 11 days ago

Say it again for the people in the back.

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radiofreebc 18 points 12 days ago
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Krauerking 3 points 12 days ago

Touche, should have said smart phones but even the old ones that let you send T6 messages like a pager were pretty advanced cool tech vs this.

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stickyprimer 3 points 11 days ago

Heh - first one I saw was literally a little suitcase you’d open up with the handset inside. Then they were built into cars for a while. Only THEN came the handheld brick ;D

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protist 3 points 12 days ago

I think we're talking about the early smartphone period, circa 2009-2015

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modus 13 points 12 days ago

You can't exist without a smart phone now. I went to a baseball game and refused to install their app for the ticket (which couldn't be purchased with cash). They said they can text a link to a QR code. Printing it wasn't an option.

I should have asked what I could do if I didn't have a phone but I suspect their head would explode.

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SabinStargem 9 points 11 days ago

At Costco, you can't get in line at the optical center. unless you use a phone camera to shoot the QR camera. I hate that: for most of my life, I was phoneless, and now I am obligated to pay for a service and device that I don't care for.

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zod000 2 points 11 days ago

Really? I haven't personally run into anything at Costco that needed a smartphone, though I admittedly haven't used their optical center.

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SabinStargem 4 points 11 days ago

Yup. Went there to get some new glasses a couple days back, had to figure out my smartphone's camera feature on the spot. An old lady also had to be taught by someone how to do the QR thing.

I don't like it. The haves and have nots of the world will be determined by smartphone status.

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zod000 3 points 11 days ago

Welp, I guess I can never use their optical services then.

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zod000 3 points 11 days ago

Yeah, I essentially can't go to most concerts anymore because of the "mobile only" ticketing.

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modus 5 points 11 days ago

I was actually able to buy paper concert tix last November at a major arena. I wanted them for a gift. I had to go to the box office during a sporting event. He told me to keep it on the down-low because they are only supposed to print them if there is a very good reason like equipment failure or something. And he still said I had to give him my phone number. Not sure whose number I gave him though.

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Krauerking 2 points 11 days ago

Yeah I can't do tickets cause my Ticketmaster account broke and won't send me emails anymore. I can't get into the venue any other way or I have to spin up all new accounts for the monopoly machine

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Folstar 12 points 11 days ago

It really cracked me up 15-20 years ago when there was a fair amount of panic about the government / world order microchiping people at more or less the same time that everyone was starting to pay to carry around GPS devices that listen to you.

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Bahnd 10 points 11 days ago

50 years ago, everyone was afraid to be spied on by the soviets or the US, now its "Hey Wiretap, find me a recipie for pancakes".

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Duamerthrax 2 points 10 days ago

I'm pretty sure the US and the Soviets were spying on everyone they could, enemies, allies, and their own civilians.

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lord_ryvan 2 points 9 days ago

The US, China, the UK and likely others are currently spying on everyone they can, enemies, allies, and their own civilians.

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altphoto 12 points 12 days ago

I remember when only my dad could lift the 15" b&w TV.

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Krauerking 4 points 12 days ago

My first TV was one of those with the rule that I had to get it to my room myself to keep it and my first bedroom was in a basement and the when I moved it was to the attic. Fun times. Heavy fricking TV

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altphoto 3 points 12 days ago

We had one of those big green screen TVs. I remember when we threw it out so the kids gathered to hit it with a bat. It could not break! Even with a hammer that front part of the screen was intact. Crazy thick glass and all.

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Krauerking 3 points 12 days ago

Yeah, I could not do anything to this thing either. The worst I ever managed to do was put a scent brick that came in a tin can directly on top of it and it melted a hole in part of the housing.

I miss putting your hand on those and feeling all your hair rise

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stickyprimer 2 points 11 days ago

When men were men and TVs were shit.

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nforminvasion 12 points 11 days ago

Yes! I remember being obsessed with Samsung Note phones because they were for power users and had so many cool features. The Note 9 was the last smart phone I actually was excited about and I kept that thing for 5 years. I got the S22 Ultra and it was cool but by that point Samsung had removed all the cool hardware features from their phones (thermometer, barometer, iris scanner, finger proximity sensor [could do really cool mouse like actions by hovering your finger above the screen], and a bunch of other cool features).

Now I have the Pixel 8 pro and slapped GrapheneOS on it. The OS is really cool and so technically amazing but I could care so little about the actual device it's loaded on.

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mirshafie 3 points 11 days ago

Sounds awesome! I remember being blown away when my friend showed me the IR camera on his Cat phone, which could see footprints. (He had a Cat phone because he's very clumsy and drops his phone every single time that he ties his shoes.)

Beyond cool hardware, I had a Huawei P30 which came with a really good "augmented reality" ruler. It was quite accurate. And it had a nice IR transmitter that could act as a legacy remote (Xiaomi also does this but their software is not as good).

Now I have a Pixel and holy hell is it too large for its own good. Supposedly a compact phone.

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uplusion23 2 points 11 days ago

How is the P8P with Graphene? My P8P has been absolute hell lately, with constant wifi disconnects and calls break up every minute or so. I wanted to like this phone coming from OnePlus but honestly it has felt like Google just seem to pop out new phones and leave the old ones riddled with software bugs.

I'm not a huge privacy person, more like mild so I haven't heavily considered Graphene but I'm getting fed up with this one haha

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nforminvasion 2 points 9 days ago

It's so smooth and personalizable. I really appreciate how little there was on base install and how much you can add or take away for yourself.

The stock camera app is okay, that's my only larger issue.

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flop_leash_973 11 points 11 days ago

When the subject comes up I have often said that cell phones are what we avoided in the PC space when the IBM BIOS was reverse engineered.

It has been a disappointment to me that so many smart otherwise tech literate people have seemed to not be able to see the tech industry, and others, putting the digital noose around out necks with smart phones.

We are not too far away from entire brick and mortar businesses being off limits to someone whose only smart phone is not an iPhone and does not pass Googles Play Services Safetynet checks for an app and the only method to pay they have being cash or a physical credit card. That is wild, and something that should worry nearly everyone that has a vested interest in being able to live their lives without being under the thumbs of private corporate interests if they so choose.

And that is before even getting into the even more concerning parts of modern phones which take all of the above and make it scary by replacing private corporate interests with governments.

Nothing good ever comes from getting in a position where you have to interact with, or obey, another party and they get to set all of the terms.

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RaoulDook 2 points 11 days ago

Cash and card payments are perfectly fine for all of my in-person shopping needs. I don't use a phone for banking or paying

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lastlybutfirstly 10 points 11 days ago

This is exactly what Orwell feared TVs would become when he envisioned telescreens. Took a little longer for it to come to fruition. What's fascinating about the novel that people over look is that the older generation in 1984 tend not to own them because they're resistant to new technology just like today. So they aren't really mandatory. Like smartphones.

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0x0 2 points 11 days ago

This is exactly what Orwell feared TVs would become when he envisioned telescreens.

Especially considering how some smartphones already have under-display cameras.

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prole 1 point 11 days ago

I think the Party members were required to have telescreens, but the proles were not because they were seen as unimportant and incapable of organizing a rebellion.

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Squizzy 2 points 10 days ago

Correctly assumed by my recollection.

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lastlybutfirstly 1 point 8 days ago

But that's the thing, from my understanding, you don't have to be a party member. You can become a prole. At one point, Winston and Julia discuss becoming proles but dismiss that and I assume that's a satire of how the middle class refuse to give up their status and thus accept oppressive technology.

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mgrecca2026 10 points 12 days ago

I missed using the Playstation Portable in college. It was a fun handheld device where we can play fighting games such as Tekken and Guilty Gear and action adventure games God of war, Medal of Honor and Dissidia: Final Fantasy

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Krauerking 10 points 12 days ago

I think about the fact that the Nintendo DS let you animate, draw, message friends, work as a step counter and all kinds of stuff. The PSP had a Sim slot and could be used as a GPS. I used mine for media, music and comic reading on it was awesome.

Like the things you could do was important and not just the data that could be scraped from you. Like they made it a competition to make them something you would want to use instead if all reduced to the black brick you have to have.

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Sidyctism2 6 points 11 days ago

Duuuuude.
I absolutely adored hatena flipnote. There were so many crazy good animations, especially stickman fights. Now the servers are down, and only a couple were mirrored somewhere :/

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 2 points 11 days ago

Okay I have been wanting to get an mp3 player for my bike (to leave attached) but now I want to use that psp you mentioned. I don't $150 want one, but maybe if I have a profitable summer

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Krauerking 2 points 11 days ago

Just so you know the knockoff iPods can be flashed with custom firmware these days for pretty cheap.

While I love my PSP I will not suggest you get into it now unless you can actually just get a great deal especially with the memory sticks being outdated.

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Strider 3 points 11 days ago

In part I get what you're saying and it still sucks that these games are under represented on the switch (haters say: get a steam deck!) but you can also still use the psp, or also play them on ps vita.

I have to say it's a shame Sony scrapped the sleek higher end mobile gaming device concept.

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hig13 9 points 11 days ago

I was watching a show the other day where the wealthy protagonist got his phone thrown to the grown and smashed by someone and he freaked out because it was a $200 phone. I think the episode is like 10 years old or so. Phones used to be cheap to own as well as cool.

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StupidBrotherInLaw 3 points 11 days ago

I dropped $250 on an HTC Apache in 2006 and thought I was quite fancy.

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louisinidus 3 points 11 days ago

Ack most phones are really expensive now. But I pretty much just use mine for comms, personal organisation. I have never paid more than 300 for a model and i typically buy a new one every 4 or 5 years. Crazy seeing models priced at 2k or up though.

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anon_8675309 7 points 11 days ago

I would be happy with a Nokia 3310 with Signal and Matrix support.

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optimisticturtle 4 points 11 days ago

Idk about that specific one but people have turned other Nokia models into cyberdecks. Might be worth checking out.

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0x0 2 points 11 days ago

On Symbian?

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Strider 6 points 11 days ago

And shit form factor, huge and bulky but very flat only. Because all customers demand it.

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 3 points 11 days ago

Same thing’s happened to cars: They all look like SUVs because people want to feel rugged.

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AngryRobot 7 points 11 days ago

No, that'w because the larger vehicles have more lax emissions standards.

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Semi_Hemi_Demigod 6 points 11 days ago

Yeah. Got a loaner car from Volvo and even as a “compact” it’s bigger than my 10 year old car in my garage.

There’s a stupid EPA rule that needs to go away like the chicken tax.

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AngryRobot 3 points 11 days ago

Chicken tax?

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OrteilGenou 6 points 11 days ago

I have my blue and grey Nokia still.

When I was on my way home from work on the subway, I just tried to fill the screen with a snake the whole time.

I still hope for a cool game to be included when I buy a new phone. Spoiler: there is no cool game included

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NottaLottaOcelot 3 points 11 days ago

I still remember the day I beat Brickbreaker on my 2007 Blackberry. It was a glorious day in my personal gaming history that may never be surpassed

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LavaPlanet 5 points 11 days ago

That's how they get you every time, now, it seems! First release....

Them: hey look at this cool *cheap new thing that's so amazing *soon you won't be able to live without it!

Us: wow, shiny.

Little time later after you're hooked... $$$$$$$

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kepix 5 points 11 days ago

not my fault your phone isnt cool

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lechekaflan 4 points 11 days ago

I was probably one of the last to hold onto a dumbphone because all I then needed was text messaging. But then the phone was starting to fall apart due to age, and it wasn't easy having it, a sketchy digital camera, and a beat-up Shuffle and my clients were inching up the tech tree.

15 years later I keep two separate personas: one for the smartphone because you have the fucking suits expecting the face of a compliant lemming, with nothing incriminating whatsoever; the other is only on my computer, the one having more freedom to express dissent. Neither device are to be connected together in any way.

And should to join any form of general civil disobedience, better carry a dumbphone and a digital camera.

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0x0 1 point 11 days ago

Neither device are to be connected together in any way.

Then make sure not to have them on at the same time in the same place.

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SecretiveSailor 3 points 11 days ago

Its now also IMPOSSIBLE to create an email account without a cell phone. Imagine that. You can't send email if you don't have a cellphone

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paper_mint 1 point 11 days ago

is this a meme

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0x0 1 point 11 days ago

Ok troll.

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Sm0ke 1 point 11 days ago

There are alternatives to hotmail...

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SecretiveSailor 1 point 10 days ago

Dude its everything. Gmail, Yahoo, AOL.....every single email provider needs a cell phone

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HugeNerd 3 points 11 days ago

Technology makes me want to retch these days.

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hansolo 3 points 11 days ago

Find yourself a privacy comm and settle in. You have agency over you digital life.

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01189998819991197253 3 points 11 days ago

Pepperidge Farm remembers

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LovableSidekick 2 points 11 days ago

They're still cool form factor minicomputers tho, and cameras, video players, game consoles... and also phones.

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Tiral 2 points 11 days ago

I would buy my Xperia Play again in a heart beat if it had even midrange modern specs.

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IPeaceInYourFace -2 points 10 days ago

It's a necessary step. Sooner or later we are going to be one unified consciousness, and we need to learn to adapt, and accept that we have no privacy, and we need to learn to love each other more.

There is no stopping it.

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Leg 1 point 10 days ago

Not happening in my lifetime.

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lord_ryvan 1 point 9 days ago

It feels like fascist political leaders are pushing/rewarding this thing and at the same time making up all hate each other more...

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IPeaceInYourFace 1 point 9 days ago

You're correct. So we fight fire with fire. Spread happiness, reason, and wellbeing.

In the face of all the negativity and hate, we must bare it with a smile. That is our greatest weapon.

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lord_ryvan 1 point 5 days ago

Your username really suits your comment 😊

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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. The most popular seem to be lighthearted clever little truths, hidden in daily life.

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