What skill did you learn that was not worth the effort?

2 months ago by Pogogunner to c/asklemmy

There's often a skill that seem interesting, but I can't see doing anything for me in my day-to-day life. What have you learned that was a lot more effort than the payoff was worth?

justdaveisfine 88 points 2 months ago

I got a bunch of software certs for when I was first job hunting and now they either no longer exist or have been so changed that the certs don't matter.

path: 0 25286639, hotness: undefined, score: 88, children: 10
AskewLord 42 points 2 months ago

certs are scam.

but they pad your resume and make test companies a lot of money.

path: 0 25286639 25287414, hotness: undefined, score: 42, children: 6
0xKesh 13 points 2 months ago

Depends on the cert and the environment you are already in.

For example, I'm an IT Consultant, we kind of rely on 'professional certs' to get work at client projects, especially if a project is covering specific niches and we have consultants that have certifications within those niches.

Also, many of the more mainline certs can definitely be worth getting (especially in the early career stages), as a quick example some of the CompTIA certs like Networking+ (a colleague got his job with us solely with that cert btw)

path: 0 25286639 25287414 25287670, hotness: undefined, score: 13, children: 5
black0ut 10 points 2 months ago

That's probably the worst part of it. In some places they're required or very helpful to have, even though they're still complete bs and a scam. Cisco is the perfect example. Their certs are useless and constantly changing, they're really expensive, and they don't really teach you about the general subject (networking). They just shill their products and their proprietary, non compatible way of doing stuff, and you pay thousands for that. Yet jobs still want those certs, even if they don't work with Cisco.

path: 0 25286639 25287414 25287670 25289344, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 3
blartcap_ 5 points 2 months ago

I remember looking into getting Azure and GCP certs some years ago and went through a few prep courses. It turns out getting the initial certs for cloud services like them is basically to be a salesman for them. It's like they're training IT people inside companies to be embedded salespeople for them. Insidious, and kinda genius.

path: 0 25286639 25287414 25287670 25289344 25310985, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 1
Couldbealeotard 3 points 2 months ago

I have to disagree with you on the Cisco stuff. It absolutely teaches you foundation networking.

path: 0 25286639 25287414 25287670 25289344 25316517, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
fyzzlefry 4 points 2 months ago

Network engineer here, lacking experience that net+ lets me know a person has a base understanding of networking, enough to know if they even like it. I can work with that.

path: 0 25286639 25287414 25287670 25301153, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
Elaine 3 points 2 months ago

Are you me?

path: 0 25286639 25308496, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
treadful 2 points 2 months ago

Novell cert gang!

path: 0 25286639 25297200, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 1
Vandals_handle 2 points 2 months ago

Netware 3.X checking in!

path: 0 25286639 25297200 25301158, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
hawgietonight 85 points 2 months ago

As an old time computer nerd I have uncountable examples of deprecated knowledge. There is no use in knowing how to use the reserved upper memory in autoexec.bat and config.sys, nor how to use Napster or Kazaa.

But all these skills do shape your brain and way of thinking.

Assembly language taught me to be precise and think before typing. Flash taught me that nothing lasts forever, as big as it might seem.

Eventually, all this adds up and creates a profile that is very demanded in my career.

That said, my mom taught me to thread a needle without looking. And I can't sew, so that's that.

path: 0 25288288, hotness: undefined, score: 85, children: 9
pHr34kY 16 points 2 months ago

I had to learn himem.sys and loadhigh when I was about 10 years old and the family PC HDD crashed. I had a copy of DOS and a manual the size of a phone book. The only way out was to write my own boot disk.

But yes, these days it's a bit of a useless skill.

path: 0 25288288 25290882, hotness: undefined, score: 16, children: 1
hawgietonight 9 points 2 months ago

Yeah and to think we had to learn and find out stuff reading a book. A book!!

path: 0 25288288 25290882 25292721, hotness: undefined, score: 9, children: 0
RememberTheApollo_ 5 points 2 months ago

While knowledge like that is deprecated, the foundational skills and problem-solving it gave you are still very valuable. Modern systems are still built upon old roads, so people with this base level of knowledge have a far easier time sorting out what fixes are needed. Like being an old mechanic that diagnoses a car issue almost immediately because they can hear the issue without hooking up a digital diagnostic, they already know what to look for.

I miss older computers, lol. 2000-2010-ish was the golden era.

path: 0 25288288 25308932, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
ITGuyLevi 4 points 2 months ago

Man, 99.9% of those old commands are still 100% valid. Knowing about memory addressing is super useful when you need to help the computer remember that it does what it's told, even if it doesn't think you should be allowed to at first.

path: 0 25288288 25311704, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
SorryImLate 1 point 2 months ago

Wait, how do you thread a needle without looking?

path: 0 25288288 25293054, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 4
hawgietonight 8 points 2 months ago

It's pretty cool to see once mastered because it takes less than a second and not many catch what happened.

You take the thread and wrap it around the needle and pull tight. Grab the thread with two fingers and pinch it. Slide the needle out and shove the needle's eye into the pinched thread. When the thread goes through, grab it and pull it all the way.

The skill comes into play aiming the eye correctly and doing it fast.

It's probably easier to understand watching a tutorial video.

path: 0 25288288 25293054 25293479, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 3
StupidBrotherInLaw 4 points 2 months ago path: 0 25288288 25293054 25293479 25298987, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 1
hawgietonight 2 points 2 months ago

Yes that is exactly it! I've just learnt it's called the fold method. You can feel the thread and the eye in the fingers it's impressive to see it done fast in one shot, my mom worked knitting and sewing and probably didn't even need to think about it.

path: 0 25288288 25293054 25293479 25298987 25299723, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
SorryImLate 2 points 2 months ago

Thanks. I know this method but I've never tried doing it without looking. Sounds like I'm doing it too slowly, something for me to practice.

path: 0 25288288 25293054 25293479 25298327, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
Postmortal_Pop 44 points 2 months ago

I'm a trained electrician. Despite taking and passing a reputable school for it, I can't get licensed to do it in my state because you have to have 2 years apprenticeship. You get an apprenticeship you have to go through a school supported by the union. The only school supported is the one they own.

Despite being fully capable of wiring a building to code, installing a solar array or electric car chargers I can't do shit with the information and it way a year and $2k fucking wasted.

path: 0 25287032, hotness: undefined, score: 44, children: 15
Onomatopoeia 32 points 2 months ago

That's not useless, that's a corrupt state.

Not your fault at all.

path: 0 25287032 25287091, hotness: undefined, score: 32, children: 3
Postmortal_Pop 6 points 2 months ago

If I'd taken the time to call around and figure this out beforehand or picked a school that arranged the apprenticeships, wouldn't be out the time and money.

I'm not upset about it, I know more now and there's plenty of dubious electricians that will inspect my work and sign off on it if I need to do anything. Plus I'm in mental health now which is my real passion.

path: 0 25287032 25287091 25293829, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 2
XeroxCool 3 points 2 months ago

The local schools exist, so why would anyone really think to check if a school is locally applicable? It's a type of problem I see often, in general: you wouldn't have known what precise things to research until you're faced with the actual problem. Sometimes kind and scarred souls will blast their warnings across the relevant initial source of information, but most people just move on.

But, that being said, that's not a terrible amount of money for, presumably, a ton of relevant knowledge to any homeowner or home owning friends. I'd love some electrical knowledge and confidence, spent all my point son automotive. But I'm glad you found more passion in a different path, too.

path: 0 25287032 25287091 25293829 25326868, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 1
Postmortal_Pop 3 points 2 months ago

Hey if you ever need it, hit me up. My favorite part of knowing things is helping others know things too!

path: 0 25287032 25287091 25293829 25326868 25327057, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
partial_accumen 14 points 2 months ago

Any chance you could get licensed in another state using what you know (without an apprenticeship) then seek licensing in your own state via some kind of reciprocity agreement with your home state?

path: 0 25287032 25287347, hotness: undefined, score: 14, children: 1
Postmortal_Pop 6 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately my state doesn't recognize it unless you have work history in that state. If I had the ability to move to another state to work for a year I wouldn't come back to this hell hole.

path: 0 25287032 25287347 25293774, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
HotsauceHurricane 4 points 2 months ago

Anyway to get credit via past knowledge? Like, test out of apprenticeship if you can? You may be able to prove experience via hours worked on timecards.

path: 0 25287032 25288017, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
Tehhund 3 points 2 months ago

That is fucked. Aren't apprenticeships usually paid? They expect you to pay for it instead?

path: 0 25287032 25317394, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 3
Postmortal_Pop 3 points 2 months ago

The apprenticeship is paid, but you can't have the apprenticeship until you finish school. But no, not that school, this other school that we have specifically formed a monopoly with.

path: 0 25287032 25317394 25327083, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 2
Tehhund 3 points 2 months ago

Oh hell — you already did 2 years of school and they want 2 more at their school? ☹️

path: 0 25287032 25317394 25327083 25328587, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 1
Postmortal_Pop 2 points 2 months ago

Yup. Fucking dumb.

path: 0 25287032 25317394 25327083 25328587 25333202, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
Gold_E_Lox -7 points 2 months ago

are you anti union or just anti this one school?

path: 0 25287032 25287182, hotness: undefined, score: -7, children: 3
holy_scroller 10 points 2 months ago

Seems like he is anti monopoly.

path: 0 25287032 25287182 25289739, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 0
Postmortal_Pop 8 points 2 months ago

Unions are fantastic. The problem here is that after spending 2k and a year learning, I was told that the only way I could get the apprenticeship hours needed to get licensed is to spend another 2k and another year going to a different school for the exact same class using the exact same books because no one in my area will take you on unless you use this school.

I cannot test out, I cannot transfer credit, I cannot skip it. Because this is the standard in place and going against it violates their agreements with the union, I cannot work in my city. I'm all for unions, but any organization can be corrupted and this is exactly what it is.

path: 0 25287032 25287182 25293748, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
ParlimentOfDoom 6 points 2 months ago

Reading is hard.

They clearly already went to school for it before moving to that state.

path: 0 25287032 25287182 25290891, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
CombatWombat 39 points 2 months ago

Cursive handwriting

path: 0 25286135, hotness: undefined, score: 39, children: 17
emmanuelw 13 points 2 months ago

In France, children learn only cursive. It's kind of strange to learn how to manually write like a typewriter…

path: 0 25286135 25287825, hotness: undefined, score: 13, children: 2
otter 8 points 2 months ago

I think it's a matter of how it's framed.

It was already going out of fashion in schools when I was growing up, and people did not like it when a teacher (usually older) made them practice it. The original argument of it being faster didn't apply once computers became common in schools/homes, and printed letters (writing like a typewriter) are better for clarity.

However, I think there is value to it when framed as an artistic skill. Calligraphy strengthens motor skills, and if you make the lesson less rigid then kids can have fun with it and figure out how to express themselves.

path: 0 25286135 25287825 25288895, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 1
emmanuelw 2 points 2 months ago

I don't understand it, to be honest. It may be cultural. To learn two ways to handwrite is a waste of time, agreed, but why choose the one which was not thought to be handwritten?

path: 0 25286135 25287825 25288895 25294022, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
dmir 5 points 2 months ago

Hard disagree.

There's some debate to have here about neuroplasticity and whether cursive handwriting (or the process of learning something involving both the cognitive resources and some rather fine hand, wrist, fingers, a bit of an arm movement), but one thing is certain: it's a faster way to write stuff down.

I have tried journaling and other writing both in printed and cursive, and the former makes me not write at all, because there's not enough time in this world for me to be my verbose self on paper when trying to write legible printed letters.

Cursive is just that fast. Faster if you learn to write shorter forms of the same words. Even faster if you learn some special systems, but that's a different rabbit hole.

But I will admit that learning to be concise with one's words without losing meaning and gravity is also beneficial, even if only for trying to push Alzheimer's and others further into the future.

path: 0 25286135 25291116, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 4
tal 7 points 2 months ago

Cursive is faster (and more comfortable) than printing.

But that assumes that you're handwriting in the first place.

Typing is faster than cursive, and many people who work a lot with text can just type any substantial amounts of text that they want to write.

path: 0 25286135 25291116 25291350, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 1
blackbrook 1 point 2 months ago

It's faster but harder to read. Maybe that's arguable with some people's handwriting. But with many people their cursive is harder to read, and it's definitely so with my shitty penmanship.

path: 0 25286135 25291116 25291350 25301692, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
dingus 2 points 2 months ago

I do get what you're saying, but most people nowadays just type rather than write.

When I write, I mostly write in print, but I actually seem to have a bid of hybrid cursive going on in there.

path: 0 25286135 25291116 25291369, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
Vandals_handle 1 point 2 months ago

I agree that cursive is faster for note taking and keeping up, but I retain the knowledge better when I print. I think slowing down is helpful in processing the information. Any writing is better for retention than typing though.

path: 0 25286135 25291116 25293390, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
Simon_Shitewood 2 points 2 months ago

Connected cursive with the stupid squiggles is terrible, regular cursive where you just join most of the letters is the fastest way to write.

path: 0 25286135 25300450, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
quediuspayu 0 points 2 months ago

Why?

path: 0 25286135 25288627, hotness: undefined, score: 0, children: 7
ieGod 7 points 2 months ago

How much cursive you using these days? It's pretty much useless outside of reading old letters.

path: 0 25286135 25288627 25289935, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 6
ApollosArrow 5 points 2 months ago

Cursive is the only way I can write now. College destroyed my normal hand writing.

path: 0 25286135 25288627 25289935 25290156, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
StaticFalconar 3 points 2 months ago

Taking notes in interviews (job related). Allows me to scribble something down while maintaining eye contact and seeing the persons face. Does it well because i dont need to wonder how much space is in between characters like i do when hand printing.

path: 0 25286135 25288627 25289935 25292591, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
kestrel7_7 3 points 2 months ago

I have excellent handwriting and it has been a valuable asset at almost every job I’ve ever had. So many times people have come to me and asked me to hand write a note to a client.

Also, love letters. Physical love letters written in cursive go fucking hard in the 2020’s.

path: 0 25286135 25288627 25289935 25291683, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
k0e3 1 point 2 months ago

Every single day!

path: 0 25286135 25288627 25289935 25293514, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
quediuspayu 0 points 2 months ago

Every day, it is how I write. It is not useless if you want to write with a minimal degree of fluency.

Don't you write at all?

path: 0 25286135 25288627 25289935 25290441, hotness: undefined, score: 0, children: 1
ieGod 2 points 2 months ago

Extremely rarely. And when I do I don't use cursive.

path: 0 25286135 25288627 25289935 25290441 25291157, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
StupidBrotherInLaw 31 points 2 months ago

English sheep counting, a base-20 number system. Often called Yan Tan Tethera. Lincolnshire is the best version.

path: 0 25289325, hotness: undefined, score: 31, children: 2
laranis 19 points 2 months ago

Must. Resist. Rabbit-hole...

path: 0 25289325 25291810, hotness: undefined, score: 19, children: 1
Killer_Tree 11 points 2 months ago

Every time I try to get into sheep counting I end up falling asleep...

path: 0 25289325 25291810 25296527, hotness: undefined, score: 11, children: 0
PetteriPano 27 points 2 months ago

Probably morse code. It was required for my ham radio license back in the day to read it at 10 WPM. I put quite a few hours into learning it through the koch method.

At the end of the day I'm just not very interested in getting a lot of contacts. I just like building and tinkering with radios.

path: 0 25286996, hotness: undefined, score: 27, children: 3
tal 8 points 2 months ago

My limited experience listening to ham radio operators with my scanner (listening to voice, not Morse code) is that when hams do get in contact with each other, they mostly talk about ham radios. Which, I mean, I guess is understandable, since it's a common interest to all of them, but a lot of it is people who like building and tinkering with radios talking about building and tinkering with radios.

path: 0 25286996 25291239, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 1
PetteriPano 3 points 2 months ago

That's often the topic on your local repeater or 80m ring.

Morse tends to be a bit more brief like "I'm in grid ab12cd and read you 599", with a lot more abbreviations. Usually for competitions or just crossing off every square on your maidenhead-map.

path: 0 25286996 25291239 25297449, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
ODuffer 1 point 2 months ago

I have a full UK licence, and I'm thinking of learning it. It's one of those things, it sounds interesting for QRP etc. However I'm the same, I rarely speak to anyone anyway!

path: 0 25286996 25288476, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
oce 27 points 2 months ago

All the useless mathematical technics from studying physics at university. Now working in software engineering, I barely use more than highschool math, sometimes.
Instead of spending weeks writing down equations I wish I had learned more about science history, breakthrough experiments, other sciences etc.
Those maths are only useful for a tiny percentage of the students that will eventually become theoritical physics researchers.
It's the curse of studying science in France, it's unnecessarily math heavy.

path: 0 25286567, hotness: undefined, score: 27, children: 7
nop 15 points 2 months ago

EE here and the math was hard. Barely touch any of it now, but I miss it and I wish it was more practical. Maybe it was in training me to be very precise and methodical.

But in solid state physics, having the math to follow and understand maxwells equations, e=mc^2, and Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Priceless.

path: 0 25286567 25286798, hotness: undefined, score: 15, children: 2
oce 1 point 2 months ago

Priceless for your current job or your own enjoyment?

path: 0 25286567 25286798 25288357, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 1
nop 2 points 2 months ago

My own enjoyment. But EE degree has certainly paid for itself.

path: 0 25286567 25286798 25288357 25298924, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
beliquititious 6 points 2 months ago

I used to work for a software consulting firm and one of our clients was NASA. Nothing exciting, just replacing an expensive proprietary system written in a commercial language with an open source one used for analyzing data from the Parker Solar Probe (PSP) and the then to be launched Interstellar Boundary Explorer (I BEX).

The maths were so far beyond my two time community college drop out, barely graduated high school, self taught background I couldn't even explain them. Fortunately we used paired programming and had enough mathemagitians on staff I never had to deal with the maths alone. My contribution was mostly UI and data visualization.

path: 0 25286567 25289944, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 3
tal 5 points 2 months ago

I think that the mathematical concepts that I learned were mostly generally useful.

But what was useless was the emphasis on doing work by hand. My particular pet peeve is all the time I spent in calculus classes being taught techniques to do symbolic integration by hand.

I was doing a math project once, working with the husband of one of my calculus professors. He himself was a mathematics professor. I dropped by his office. He had to work something out that involved a symbolic integration and fired up Mathematica. I said "You can probably do all this by hand". He laughed and said something like, "Nobody who has to do actual work with this is going to waste time doing this by hand". He was right.

Today, I use maxima to do symbolic integration. It's in my Linux distro and on my Android phone.

path: 0 25286567 25289944 25291293, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
oce 2 points 2 months ago

Often this kind of math is so specialized you can only learn it on a job with a senior. Adapting the math to discreet computing is also a challenge, but usually there some library doing it for you, like the Fast Fourier Transform.

path: 0 25286567 25289944 25295635, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 1
beliquititious 2 points 2 months ago

For sure, even with several people on the team with advanced math degrees and even one former astronomer we still had to rely heavily on the NASA team for most of the math we built in to the program. Though we tried to include as little as possible because the client felt that anyone working in the software for publication would need to verify all of the calculations manually anyway so we gave them a python script tool to let them cook.

Another project we had was control software for a flow cytometer which did have to bake in a lot of math around particle physics but the physics math was done before I rotated onto the project so I only got a synopsis.

path: 0 25286567 25289944 25295635 25301523, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
Pennywise 26 points 2 months ago
path: 0 25286814, hotness: undefined, score: 26, children: 0
fubarx 23 points 2 months ago

Getting a private pilot certificate. Was fun, but after going to every airport within range, not sure it was worth it.

path: 0 25287912, hotness: undefined, score: 23, children: 9
CouncilOfFriends 8 points 2 months ago

At least you didn't go all the way through Instrument rating and Commercial license, only to realize ADHD was a thing and also not treatable while maintaining a medical.

I was already working in tech so the backup plan is chugging along fine; but goddamn the student loans....

path: 0 25287912 25290636, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 3
thenewred 4 points 2 months ago

What are the rules around flying a small plane with ADHD? I'm unclear if one needs to be off meds for an extended period to get a private license

path: 0 25287912 25290636 25292311, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 1
CouncilOfFriends 7 points 2 months ago

I believe for even a third-class medical a pilot needs to be off ADHD medication for over 4 years, with additional screening/testing involved if they have been prescribed. My knowledge is limited since I have never been prescribed such meds and only realized I have some level of ADHD due to my son getting a diagnosis. He only took the meds for a year or two in elementary school before he opted to stop due to side effects and his brain overcoming that developmental hurdle.

It sounds terrible, but my advice would be that unless your ADHD is severe enough to demand medication you should never ever tell an Aviation Medical Examiner or standard doctor about ADHD suspicions if flying is something you want to do. I could technically still go fly if I found the time, and have never felt I was distracted given the degree that flying a plane engages all parts of your brain.

There is a dark side to this way of thinking though, as any sort of deviation from the norm with mental health or cognitive performance is often pushed under the rug instead of being treated due to fear of losing livelihood. A tragic example was Germanwings Flight 9525.

path: 0 25287912 25290636 25292311 25293107, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 0
noxypaws 2 points 2 months ago

I can relate! Left a longer comment elsewhere on this post but yeah I forgot and recently re-remembered how devastating to aviation prospects it is to be on ADHD meds. At least I got cut off midway through IFR tho so my loans weren't even worse for no financial payoff

path: 0 25287912 25290636 25299524, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
Someonelol 5 points 2 months ago

The cost of leaded gas alone is financially painful.

path: 0 25287912 25289648, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 1
captain_aggravated 2 points 2 months ago

When I taught flight school, we flew planes that ran on automotive gasoline. (see also: Rotax 912). Even then paying for fuel ate us alive.

path: 0 25287912 25289648 25302845, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
dingus 4 points 2 months ago

I've been trying to figure out what to do in my life and this is tentatively on my bucket list. Problem is it's crazy expensive and I don't have use for it afterwards!

How did the process of getting the cert go for you?

path: 0 25287912 25291338, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 2
fubarx 9 points 2 months ago

If I had to do it again, I'd start with the end goal and work backwards. It was a long time ago, I was single with no extra expenses, had a decent job, and thought it might be fun to learn. If I had wanted to become a professional pilot, the calculation would have been very different.

Getting the cert mainly involved putting in the hours. Having a good instructor helps a lot. Also, not making any stupid mistakes. I almost stalled the plane hard on my first solo touch and go. The hardest part was getting used to the ATC lingo and not stuttering too much. I got an aircraft band radio with a headphone and joined all the weirdos who liked to sit at the end of airport runways.

path: 0 25287912 25291338 25291739, hotness: undefined, score: 9, children: 0
Archimedes 5 points 2 months ago

You could steal planes

path: 0 25287912 25291338 25298530, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
DarrinBrunner 21 points 2 months ago

I got my Realtor's license without realizing just how much it cost to break into the business. I did it for a year, and then dropped it.

That's the only one I can think of. Typically, I don't learn on spec, I learn as I go, "on the job". So, what I'm learning is directly applicable to what I need to do.

For instance, I recently refurbished an old, cheap desk. I learned to apply laminate with contact cement. It's not hard, but it was my first time doing it. A few weeks later I'm at a counter at a business and they have laminate that is separating from the base, and I knew exactly why. They told me that someone had been hired just a few weeks earlier to repair the same problem, and it happened again. I knew how to fix it right, but I didn't need a job so I just commiserated with them.

path: 0 25286162, hotness: undefined, score: 21, children: 3
blueduck 7 points 2 months ago

What’s expensive about breaking into the realtor business? Advertising for a customer base?

path: 0 25286162 25287150, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 2
Quokka 13 points 2 months ago

The crowbar.

path: 0 25286162 25287150 25287494, hotness: undefined, score: 13, children: 1
jim_v 1 point 2 months ago

Use a jackdawbar.

path: 0 25286162 25287150 25287494 25288290, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
1egg4u 19 points 2 months ago

I ruined my diaphragm learning how to burp my ABCs

It was only sort of worth it

path: 0 25286656, hotness: undefined, score: 19, children: 3
Serinus 4 points 2 months ago

Wait, that's a thing?

path: 0 25286656 25288272, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 2
1egg4u 3 points 2 months ago

Maybe ruined is a bit hyperbolic , the diaphragm is actually tough and iirc skeletalbut it strains the muscles so i gave myself acid reflux and burp when i talk sometimes

Worth it? Only when im not having acid reflux

It got better over time though, the secret was simply to stop being a weird dork child who learned to force burp for a parlor trick

path: 0 25286656 25288272 25288609, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 1
rowinxavier 4 points 2 months ago

Man, I got so lucky, I managed to learn how to burp my ABCs and I can still do it approaching 40 without I'll effect. Also it turns out it is useful as a skill for managing a trans oesophageal ultrasound, a horrible procedure where you swallow something a bit smaller than a kiwi fruit connected to a tube and then have to just choke on it for 20-30 minutes. You can deal with the sensation because it is not dissimilar to the inhale of the burp but extended for the whole time.

path: 0 25286656 25288272 25288609 25289571, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
Firebirdie713 19 points 2 months ago

Making tofu from scratch. Also sourdough.

I love cooking in all forms, and there are a lot of things I happily do from scratch. I love baking bread, making my own oat milk, mixing up my own seitan from vital wheat gluten, and a whole bunch of other things.

But making tofu was something I tried a bunch of times and have ultimately given up on. It is extremely time consuming, very difficult to get right, and makes a worse product than what I can buy at the store. It isn't even cheaper to do, as the cost of the soybeans and the cost of the premade tofu are about the same. I may make it on occasion if I plan on serving it on its own as a dish with soy sauce, but that is about it.

With sourdough, I found it easy to get into, but my husband and I both prefer our baked goods to be not sour, and we both have pretty sensitive tastebuds in that regard. It is easier for me to just use instant yeast whenever I need it and make something we both prefer to eat.

path: 0 25293253, hotness: undefined, score: 19, children: 3
RebekahWSD 3 points 2 months ago

Same with making ketchup! Just buy the cheap ketchup, it's still better and less time consuming! I also agree with the sourdough. I prefer soft white breads over sourdough.

path: 0 25293253 25297126, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
RBWells 3 points 2 months ago

One day sourdough is not sour, and still easier than using commercial yeast. When I'm making sandwich bread I do it in a condensed timeline and the starter just works like a more robust version of yeast. You don't have to make "the sourdough" as my kids call it (they ask for it because they like it but I do understand y'all's preference.)

I use my starter to make bread, cinnamon rolls, donuts, once a puff pastry that was so annoying to make but maybe the best thing I've ever tasted. I just don't buy yeast anymore.

path: 0 25293253 25301745, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 1
Firebirdie713 2 points 2 months ago

I am not sure why, but my one day sourdoughs were still sour to me, and they would usually get more sour as the days passed after baking. I think it is because I live in a humid area that also tends to be cooler, as climate does impact the taste.

I am glad you got it to work for you! But for me it is cheaper to buy the yeast in a large block and use that.

path: 0 25293253 25301745 25308956, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
CultLeader4Hire 16 points 2 months ago

People pleasing, spent nearly four decades getting so good at it thinking if only I could be just that little bit “more good” that I’d get what I want and need from people and relationships only to realize I’ve been plenty good this whole time, it’s a fools errand and I only attract people who will move the goal posts every time because it’s what I expect and have trained for

path: 0 25311552, hotness: undefined, score: 16, children: 1
swelter_spark 3 points 2 months ago

That's sad. I'm sorry.

path: 0 25311552 25319851, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
Colonel_Panic_ 15 points 2 months ago

I learned how to work hard and be good at my job and actually get things done, not just look busy and act important.

Jokes on me, the entire management make 100x more than me and do 100x less. And they get to spend hundreds of millions on stupid projects that are horrible ideas, but I have to cut back on my area to save $100.

I should have put all my stat points into soulless bullshit corporate jargon and none into intelligence.

path: 0 25309854, hotness: undefined, score: 15, children: 1
meathorse 2 points 2 months ago

100%. I'm not a manager but the higher I get, the more I'm paid and the less useful work I do. I just end up telling people smarter than me what I need them to do.

Coming from a working class background, it's a difficult thing to rationalize in my mind but a friend described it well by saying "Can you do their job? - No? Then you can be the buffer against the politics and BS and keep them organized and working on the right thing so they don't have to worry about that"

It's a lot less fulfilling than doing practical work but I also feel like I have a lot more agency (for better or worse) than I did at lower levels.

path: 0 25309854 25321264, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
Bongles 12 points 2 months ago

Cursive I guess.

path: 0 25287851, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 0
karpintero 12 points 2 months ago

Even if you don't end up using it, the process of learning something often shapes us into who we are. So it's tough to say something isn't worth the effort.

For example, I learned to read sheet music when I was younger and taking piano lessons. It took a while and I don't really use that skill today since I mostly play by ear or tab (fretted instruments). However, I appreciate understanding what the notes mean and think it made me more musical overall.

path: 0 25287795, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 0
mvilain 11 points 2 months ago

I learned one of the major orchestration tools (puppet), dabbled in the second (chef), and got a third running everything in my home lab (ansible). I refused to learn the 4th (salt). I figured my time was better spent learning python.

path: 0 25286858, hotness: undefined, score: 11, children: 1
tal 2 points 2 months ago

I think that configuration management software is important for many people who admin a large number of computer systems, because being able to modify and spin up identical systems is important to them.

But if you don't fall into that category, it may not buy one that much.

path: 0 25286858 25291423, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
toomanypancakes 10 points 2 months ago

I got half of my A+ certification before deciding fuck this and going into a different career. I can code very simply, I have very basic networking skills, and I use none of it. I'm amazed at people who can do it but I am not cut out for IT anything I don't think. Too much work.

path: 0 25286425, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 4
morgenman 15 points 2 months ago

I'm a big believer that computation should be a skill we learn in school. I think a lot of normal people would benefit from being able to make some simple scripts in python for personal use or even just for fun. I hope you don't always think that the coding skills are useless <3. That said I agree the networking stuff you can throw out the window! I know enough to know that I will never fully understand how network topology works. Every time I get to the /24 or whatever that's called my eyes start rolling.

path: 0 25286425 25286743, hotness: undefined, score: 15, children: 2
SwingingTheLamp 6 points 2 months ago

As a network guy at work, it took me a long time to grok it, but now it amazes me how poorly these concepts are usually taught. They're actually fairly straightforward in concept. Oh well, it means I have a secure job, and most people don't really need to know.

path: 0 25286425 25286743 25286831, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
Wfh 3 points 2 months ago

Not just computation, but algorithmics. People should learn how to break down any complex task in a suite of simple, logical, deterministic steps and conditions.

At least it would help me stop getting requirement written in "human logic" that are literally impossible to implement...

path: 0 25286425 25286743 25289004, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
MagicShel 5 points 2 months ago

Too much work

Shit, brother, I got into IT largely because I'm too lazy to do mindless shit over and over the hard way. It was a strong motivator to learn regex and coding in general. I automate that shit and then I fuck off with the time saved.

Or at least I used to. I was too good at it so now they want me to keep other developers from fucking off all day, and that's a lot of work.

path: 0 25286425 25288170, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
remon 10 points 2 months ago

Driving. Never used it.

path: 0 25290919, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 0
noxypaws 10 points 2 months ago

I honestly can't think of any, even though I have many examples that objectively seem to not have been worth the effort.

Easiest example is flight school. I went to a tech college for its professional piloting program. Got my private pilot cert and multi engine rating, and completed IFR in the simulator. But when it came time to sign up for IFR in a real plane, I couldn't get approved for enough student loans to cover the cost, so I dropped out, switched to business school, got a tech job, and dropped out of business school too.

By all accounts, the debt I racked up (like $75k) and the pilot license I haven't exercised in 14 years are all a huge waste. And my flight instructor was such an impatient ass that I feel mildly scarred from the times he yelled at me.

But, I will never get over the massive feeling of accomplishment I got from earning my private pilot certification. And even more so, earning my multi-engine rating. Even if I failed a part of each of those checkrides and had to retake those portions, I passed them. Even if I never fly again, I am so fucking proud of myself for earning those.

I guess since I never actually graduated from any of the many colleges I've dropped out from (three or four depending on how you count), pilot license is my closest analog.

Also have a CDL and skill with docking 53 foot trailers, and tons of forklift experience. Those haven't been used in a very long time and I may never use them again, but still feel like important parts of me.

path: 0 25299474, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 1
RememberTheApollo_ 4 points 2 months ago

Sorry the aviation route didn’t work out. The two hardest ratings (IMO) are the initial private and then the IFR license. The former is learning everything about aircraft and flying, but IFR is learning to fly all over again. If you get those two everything else just feels like an add-on.

path: 0 25299474 25308859, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
Kaligalis 10 points 2 months ago

I can't learn skills I don't like to learn. As time wasted having fun is time well spent, I never learned a skill not worth the effort of learning it.

path: 0 25287109, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 0
anon_8675309 9 points 2 months ago

Taught myself how to snake spit. But now it sometimes happens on its own so I really wish I hadn’t trained my mouth so well.

path: 0 25294050, hotness: undefined, score: 9, children: 2
Funkt4st1c 10 points 2 months ago

Gleeking?

path: 0 25294050 25295558, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 1
treadful 6 points 2 months ago

Haven't heard that word since middle school.

path: 0 25294050 25295558 25297158, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
Rhynoplaz 9 points 2 months ago

I really can't think of any that weren't worth the effort. Some took more effort than others, but even if they don't make me any money, I don't regret learning then.

path: 0 25286670, hotness: undefined, score: 9, children: 0
RememberTheApollo_ 9 points 2 months ago

The vast majority of higher math and some industry-related chart interpretation as far as aviation goes.

I guess I’m probably older than 95% of the people here, so all the “spaghetti” charts we had to figure out, the actual trigonometry used to calculate wind correction angles, all of the math used to calculate EPR, thrust, and Mach speeds. Instruction in these calculations was very demanding and unforgiving. Then it all pretty much became useless as I followed the leading edge of software development and electronics moving into the cockpit. So I learned it all only to have it disappear within a few years.

path: 0 25308811, hotness: undefined, score: 9, children: 0
RBWells 9 points 2 months ago

Let me think -

Mostly software training at work for systems they immediately abandoned.

My interior design skills languish for lack of money.

Most of the other stuff I can do gets some use I think.

path: 0 25293227, hotness: undefined, score: 9, children: 0
Taleya 8 points 2 months ago

Hold my MCSE in NT4 and Novell

Gained the year Win2k dropped

path: 0 25302042, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
Goldholz 8 points 2 months ago

Ventriloquism. I dont use it at all anymore. Learned it because i thought it would be fun and one could make some jokes with it but nah

path: 0 25290287, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
Catoblepas 8 points 2 months ago

Is organic chemistry a skill? I took that class twice and still feel like it barely left an imprint on me. Other than having a fight or flight reaction to benzene rings.

Otherwise, electrical wiring at a very basic level. I’m never going to be confident enough that I’m not going to burn the place down to do it on my own, and what I did learn I don’t really have a use for. Basic electrical safety knowledge is really all you need to get through day to day life.

path: 0 25286160, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 2
MagicShel 4 points 2 months ago

I guess it's good that electrical wiring scares people because a lot of amateurs do a shit job, but it's not that hard. Use grommets to protect the sheath from metal corners. Join wires in a junction box instead of just electrical taped rat tails stuffed into the wall. Use the current rating of the breaker to tell you what gauge of wire to use (it's different solid vs stranded). Use solid conductor on anything that is never going to move (generally behind a wall). Use stranded for anything that is going to flex. Always have the breaker off when you're working on it.

That's pretty much it. Electrical is probably easier than plumbing. I've done plumbing, too, but I hate it. But when you have a 100 year old house and no money, you do what you must. Now I can swap out a toilet in an hour easy. Last year I had to learn to replace the rotted flooring at the same time as the toilet — that sucked. And I fucked it up, but not badly enough to tear it out and redo it.

Anyway, give me electrical any day.

path: 0 25286160 25288354, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
mvilain 3 points 2 months ago

I did the intro and year course for Chem majors. I decided to focus on the analytical stuff but left the field entirely to do software development. I don't know what I'd study if I had to start over.

path: 0 25286160 25286891, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
z3rOR0ne 7 points 2 months ago

Customer Service Skills, aka the skill of eating shit.

path: 0 25288271, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 0
buran 7 points 2 months ago

Functions and derivatives, from late high school to college. They were extremely tedious, and I had to learn tens of formulas I don't use very often.

path: 0 25292018, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 0
SuperLallarn 7 points 2 months ago

Learning the Dvorak keyboard layout.

It seemed worth it at the time when I was playing a lot of monkeytype and I still love typing with it. But I made the full switch and forgot how to touch type with qwerty. So now I have to switch layout every time I use hotkeys and switch back to type. Switching is fast but an extra step.

I decided to switch because I think it's a superior layout but honestly it's not even that worth it. You will not gain speed, just more comfortable and satisfying.

path: 0 25316575, hotness: undefined, score: 7, children: 2
VitoRobles 3 points 2 months ago

Oh hey I did this a decade ago as well!

During that time, I was obsessed with typing faster thinking that would get me paid more at my job.

A major point: you can't help people on their computer without mentally switching

Helping coworkers was annoying. Helping my mom set up her computer was annoying.

path: 0 25316575 25318238, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 1
SuperLallarn 1 point 2 months ago

Yes it is inconvenient asf when it's not your own setup. I use window for work and it's a pain in the ass to install. And the computers (shared) reset to default settings every 2 months or so. The dll-files still remain after this so I have to remove them manually before reinstalling. On Linux this would not be a problem

path: 0 25316575 25318238 25323188, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
BCsven 6 points 2 months ago

Descriptive Geometry.

Basically obsolete by the time of mastering the techniques due to CAD software.

Here's lesson notes from somebody.

https://www.archweb.com/...

The field starts out simple with orthographic projections, but later you work on problems like : you have a top view of a 3D tube angled in space and another tube crossing it at an arbitrary angle, and then another view.

Find this smallest distance between the two tubes in space.

Neither are down the tube axis, so you start the process if finding the axes and producing a head on view to develop the crossing tube to then find a point to point minimum measure between the two cylinders.

By the time I'd gone through all this, in CAD you just click the two tubes and ask for the distance (min or max)

path: 0 25312064, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
Lysergid 5 points 2 months ago

Touching nose with my upper lip

path: 0 25289120, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 1
k0e3 2 points 2 months ago

Touching peoples noses with your upper lip can't be that hard to learn.

path: 0 25289120 25293426, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
swelter_spark 4 points 2 months ago

Belly-dancing. So difficult, and not even really fun.

path: 0 25319859, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
DaleGribble88 3 points 2 months ago

Butterfly shuffle

path: 0 25301880, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
Swaus01 3 points 2 months ago
path: 0 25288555, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 2
k0e3 3 points 2 months ago

Which is really weird to me because I love handwriting. It's my preferred way of taking notes because it's so much faster. I also love the flowing motion as I find that therapeutic. My Japanese writing sucks because of it though because I tend to get lazy and connect the strokes too much.

path: 0 25288555 25293487, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 1
Swaus01 2 points 2 months ago
path: 0 25288555 25293487 25297562, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
Witchfire 2 points 2 months ago

SystemC simulation, for school.

This was well over a decade ago now and the libraries we were using were absolutely ancient at the time. We had to simulate a game. I absolutely hated it.

If nothing else, that class prepared me for linking error induced headaches

path: 0 25316838, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
asklemmy
asklemmy

@lemmy.world

login for more options
41806
9877
8963

A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions


Rules: (interactive)


1) Be nice and; have fun

Doxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, toxicity and dog-whistling are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them


2) All posts must end with a '?'

This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?


3) No spam

Please do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.


4) NSFW is okay, within reason

Just remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either !asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world or !asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com. NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].


5) This is not a support community.

It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.


6) No US Politics.

Please don't post about current US Politics. If you need to do this, try !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world or !uspolitics@lemmy.world


7) No Hit-and-Run questions.

Please don't delete your post for no apparent reason. If you plan on deleting a question later, say so in the post, or if you feel that you have a good reason to remove it, message a mod beforehand. It's not fair to the ones who took their time to answer, and it's not in the spirit of the community.


8) No Bots.

Posts or comments from bots, LLM's, AIs, Neural Networks, Transformers, or Marvin the Paranoid Android are not welcome in AskLemmy. Real humans only please.


Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.

Partnered Communities:

Tech Support

No Stupid Questions

You Should Know

Reddit

Jokes

Ask Ouija


Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu


go to feed...