This seems like a bad long-term strategy

2 days ago by The Picard Maneuver to c/gaming

jtrek 118 points a day ago

Everywhere I look, problems are coming from rich assholes removed from actually doing work making decisions.

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slaacaa 14 points 17 hours ago

It’s called capitalism. This is the result

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scrubbles 98 points 2 days ago

This has to be the best meme I've seen in a very long time, made it worth logging into Lemmy. Thank you :)

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applebusch 46 points a day ago

somewhere along the way the csuite forgot about or devalued institutional knowledge. they think of people like expensive hardware theyre renting, that they can just fire and rehire at no cost. they ignore the fact that the majority of the knowledge and expertise they need is stored in peoples heads and nowhere else. when they do a huge layoff theyre throwing all of that away and essentially starting over from scratch the next time. i suspect this is a large part of why games take way longer to develop now. the teams have to build up the knowledge and working relationships basically from scratch on every game, which is a slow messy process in the best of times but is made waaay worse by delusional schedules and excessive hours. these corporate douchebags keep literally cutting off their nose to spite their face over and over again like its a functional business strategy.

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Thebeardedsinglemalt 32 points a day ago

Back when I supported HR at a hospital I built these ultra detailed employee turnover reports, which included average cost of turnover (metrics for what it costs to cover shifts until the position is filled, cost of recruiting/posting positions, cost associated with hiring, separation cost of the employee leaving, etc etc). And of course they would focus primarily on nursing roles. They spent about 5 years doing just about anything they could; hiring bonuses, incentives, referral bonuses, various outreach programs and tuition assistance for nurses. After those 5 years they found no noticeable reduction in nursing turnover. What they did eventually notice, however, is a steady increase in turnover for all other non-nursing positions.

After another year or 2 of bullshit excuses and throwing whatever paltry perks they attempted to throw at us the only thing they found actually lowering their turnover figures...reinstate annual 3% raises. Because they found out paying their employees was actually cheaper than the annual cost of turnover.

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GalacticRobot 11 points a day ago

That's pretty much business 101 though. It's almost always cheaper long term to retain employees (especially high performing employees) rather than getting rid of and re-hiring. But when you are at the edge of bankruptcy or can't afford to keep people (sometimes simply for 'profit') then short term it's a better idea.

Companies are not ethereal, so there are always going to be short term decisions made that hurt long term.

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applebusch 10 points a day ago

i see what youre saying, but i think youre missing some stuff here. companies being "on the edge of bankruptcy" is usually also the fault of csuite douchebags. where do you think all the money companies make goes? it goes to the obscene csuite salaries. those fuckers make these ridiculous short term decisions that only benefit them while taking credit for every success and claiming every failure was due to "market forces" completely outside their control. yeah companies are responding to the situation of the moment, but how the fuck do you think they got there in the first place?

the last place i worked had this problem constantly. management makes a dumbass decision that hurts the business for no benefit, then we get in a tight spot because of it, and management makes another decision that only really hurts the actual workers with the justification that they have to because the company is in a tough spot. rinse and repeat. no accountability, no repercussions, and nothing meaningfully changes except for things get worse for all the people doing the actual work.

dont just swallow their propaganda without thinking.

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quarkquasar 6 points a day ago

"Does anyone have any ideas on how to boost morale that don't include pay raises?"

Not an uncommon question in meetings, if you'd believe people on the internet.

It's like trying to figure out how to grow a plant without water. Pointless from the beginning.

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AdolfSchmitler 2 points 14 hours ago

Its like when tech-bros re-invent trains or taxes or something

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Napster153 10 points a day ago

Csuites of all industries are becoming like nobles from feudal eras. The only difference is the lack of in-breeding happening, but give it a decade or more and it'll start.

They assume that they have right of rule despite having no actual commitments, then they throw a fit when they aren't fed.

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kunaltyagi 6 points a day ago

They already have apps for dating amongst themselves

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dellish 6 points a day ago

What kills me with this ridiculous form of corporate thinking is the sequel does not have all the quality of life improvements of the original, i.e., they don't build on lessons learned. A game may have patchs that add features that improve playability, or make settings easier to find, or just add some cool mechanic that everybody loves. Then the sequel comes out and all those features are missing for some reason. It's fucking infuriating!

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4am 3 points a day ago

Why do you think they like AI so much? The bought into the hype and now they think they can just own a data center and make more money that way. Everything can be their “creative vision” because they’re the smartest and most talented because they got themselves so rich and god/society reward the best

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GalacticRobot 3 points a day ago

I think they 'like' AI because it's the promise of how much what they see as 'redundant' being done. Unfortunately some people think that's story boarding, artwork, anything that is creative, and forgetting that so much of the office could be enhanced and improved with 'AI'.

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bitjunkie 2 points 15 hours ago

They think only in the high-level and then only the most self-aware of them even wonder why they don't understand the low-level. "Throw man-hours at it" is always the solution. It's fucking maddening.

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gh0stb4tz 44 points 2 days ago

Funny because it’s true. Painfully true.

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liking625 42 points a day ago

Only a single rule is needed. If mass layoffs need to happen, the top person responsible, the CEO, must also leave the company in the same fashion.

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feannag 41 points a day ago

Without a golden parachute.

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cosmos8188 10 points a day ago

..B..b.ut the yacht can stay. Right??

Some bilionare

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kablez 20 points a day ago

What about a trial by combat clause? CEO has to fight one representative of the workforce. In America this could be a whole new genre of reality tv! We could call it... Luigi's Mansion.

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MummifiedClient5000 31 points 2 days ago

Got free time for making memes? Guess what...

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atomicorange 5 points a day ago

That’s a paddlin’

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tetris11 21 points 2 days ago

Men, you're lucky men. Soon you'll all be fighting for your planet. Many of you will be dying for your planet. A few of you will be forced through a fine mesh screen for your planet. They will be the luckiest of all.

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umbraroze 19 points a day ago

Layoffs always lead to loss of tacit institutional knowledge. In other words, they end up firing the people who know how shit really works.

Games are creative projects, so this is even more of a problem. They fire people who made the first game and knew exactly why the game was made that way, and it comes as no surprise that the new hires end up making the sequel completely different way. The new people can see the big picture but not the reasoning behind the tiniest details.

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lightnsfw 11 points 18 hours ago

MBA types have never experienced tacit instructional knowledge because they just sit in their offices all day misinterpreting numbers to make themselves look good.

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kreskin 5 points 14 hours ago

spot on. these people's salaries are chump change compared to rsu awards. They dont care about making their core product, they care about the stock spiking periodically so they can sell. The stock price can even creep down in between sells and it doesnt matter much to them. They really just need a yearly surge in price to sell based on something that looks like strategic competence. They arent paid to consistently uplevel the stock so much as they are paid to enable a pump and dump on their own companys stock. I work in one of these places now and have worked for several. They are believers in getting paid.

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jubilationtcornpone 4 points 15 hours ago

Three Months Later

"Hmmm. I wonder why our KPI's are in the toilet all of a sudden."

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DupaCycki 19 points 19 hours ago

🤓 Ackshually that's all because of piracy. Games just aren't making enough money to pay developers' salaries. Do you have any idea how expensive it is to swap football team compositions every 12 months? Microtransactions help, but it just isn't enough with all the pirates. /s

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dellish 16 points a day ago

It kinda baffles me that people still apply for jobs at EA, Activision/Blizzard, etc. We need more disenfranchised developers making their own studios like Supergiant, Respawn and Embark, who go back to making quality games that are passion projects instead of sloppy money churners. I simply don't understand why anyone would buy a game, then spend more money to not play the game in order to progress/level up/whatever.

Just to be clear I'm well aware Apex Legends could be thought of as a money churner, but it's still a free-to-play, quality product that just sells cosmetics so I personally don't see it in the same light as CoD, FIFA or Madden.

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chiliedogg 14 points a day ago

Because when starting your own studio in the garage you and your family has no money or insurance.

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blackberry28 7 points a day ago

It probably makes for a good look in your CV. You work there for a few years, and then you can apply anywhere else with better chances, I guess.

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Clairvoidance 5 points a day ago

You can probably Occam's razor as to why they don't make their own studios

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ParlimentOfDoom 3 points a day ago

I had a professor who had worked for a big company, was laid off, joined a smaller company, then the bigger company bought that one up.

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ski11erboi 1 point a day ago

Was your professor Steve Jobs??

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ParlimentOfDoom 1 point a day ago

No? I don't think he ever worked in game design.

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ChickenLadyLovesLife 16 points 21 hours ago

Layoffs are a natural part of the corporate world. You hire masses of people to create the illusion of growth, and you fire masses of people to create the illusion of ruthless competence. Line go up no matter what.

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ShaggySnacks 2 points 14 hours ago

All Hail The Line That Always Goes Up! /s

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SkunkWorkz 15 points a day ago

Meanwhile Nintendo provides lifetime employment. It's why they can pass down institutional knowledge to the next gen of employees. Hence why every entry in series like Mario and Zelda are almost consistently great.

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quarkquasar 6 points a day ago

My dad works at Nintendo!

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lemmygarden 3 points a day ago

Cool 😎

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Reginald_T_Biter 2 points 17 hours ago

Leg end

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fishy 1 point 14 hours ago

On the other end of this, Pokemon is still being developed by guys who can't develop in a modern engine and are just coasting on the popularity of the franchise. I have Scarlett and I got about an hour in before shelving it for other better games, and I was so into Pokemon I've played through about a dozen ROM hacks.

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SkunkWorkz 1 point 13 hours ago

Pokemon is not developed by Nintendo though. They are only the publisher.

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fishy 1 point 8 hours ago

Yes, I'm taking about the lifetime employment part.

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Abyssian 10 points a day ago

As long as we all lay them off constantly so their children are always near death from malnutrition they will always come back when we tell them to. Plan can not fail.

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UnderpantsWeevil 5 points a day ago

I mean, you joke. But this is just the definition of contract labor.

In theory, contractors earn sizably more than salaried workers. If you're bringing in $200/hr, you can get away with working six months a year. Or working two years and then taking a year off.

But because so much of this contract work has been outsourced overseas or managed through networks of subcontractors, you end up with people actually earning a $30-60/hr salary for work that's getting billed at $200/hr by some gatekeeping intermediary. And you end up with a steady stream of people in-between jobs whose skills atrophy and whose interests in the long-term function of the project don't align.

Alternatively, you've got a bunch of these little indie pop-ups that churn out reskinned GACHA crap based on whatever happens to be popular at a given moment. And the name of the game is to get enough end-users to win yourself a corporate buyout, then dash out the back door with all the cash you can stuff in your pockets.

The idea of seasonal or boom-bust employment isn't unworkable on its face. But without labor solidarity or a professional organization to prop up wages, you just end up with a bunch of middle-men and corporate suits draining the lay workers dry.

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ChickenLadyLovesLife 2 points 21 hours ago

I had a job as a programmer consultant once making $50,000 a year and I was being billed out at $185 an hour so I was making like 1/7 of my bill rate. And my bill rate was only that high because I have an advanced degree in a field utterly unrelated to programming. I want to say the company I consulted at was getting screwed even worse than me, but I was actually good at programming and cleaned up a mess they had already thrown millions of dollars at in-house.

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RockBottom 9 points a day ago

computer + business = layoffs Don't you know?

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Napster153 3 points a day ago

Business+Business = also layoffs.

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dylanTheDeveloper 4 points a day ago

B2BLO

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quakki 7 points 14 hours ago

Can you explain why this would be a viable survival strategy for a company? If you kick out all your knowledge and skill every 2months then you will get crushed by better cheaper competition

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minorkeys 6 points 13 hours ago

Because there is enough willing labour to endure this treatment. AAA companies don't aspire to make high quality games, they aspire to make games that make money, which does not require quality except perhaps graphic fidelity and certainly doesn't require the best.

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The_Picard_Maneuver 4 points 14 hours ago

Because leadership at many companies suffers from the recency effect and only remembers what you've done for them lately.

"I saved us lots of money in staffing this quarter" gets rewarded, not "I'm leaving the short-term money on the table now so that we'll be more successful in 7 years"

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Rooster326 4 points 14 hours ago

Because capitalism doesn't seek perfection, and it's far from a fair system

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_stranger_ 1 point 8 hours ago

It only makes sense if the company is getting paid to make the gaming industry worse.

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dylanTheDeveloper 6 points a day ago

Don't worry all the rage is outsourcing now, so they can lay an entire studio off and ideally that studio gets another contract somewhere else (most don't).

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MonkderVierte 0 points 19 hours ago
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SaveTheTuaHawk 5 points 19 hours ago

"you undercook chicken...layoff, you overcook fish, layoff, you charge too much for a sweater, layoff..."

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w3ird_sloth 1 point 14 hours ago

TBF undercooked chicken would deserve a layoff.

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BackgrndNoize 3 points 14 hours ago

Replace gaming industry with any white collar work in general these days, I feel like we are all just training the AI models until they get good enough to replace us all these days

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Folstar 3 points 14 hours ago

It makes perfect sense if you view employees as cogs in a machine. Human Resources.

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badfnkitty 3 points a day ago

“We have the best game profits. Because of layoffs”

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BilSabab 3 points a day ago

i think they're onto something... oh wait!

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kreskin 2 points 15 hours ago

yeah we have to stop working for these people.

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