USS Lincoln wasn't resupplied because Hegseth 'hid' that Iran destroyed main U.S. base: Rohde

a day ago by spaghettiwestern to c/progressivepolitics

President Trump continues to say that Iran wants to make a deal to end the war and that the U.S. has control over the Strait of Hormuz. Meanwhile, the president downplayed concerns about the conditions aboard the USS Lincoln. MS NOW Senior National Security Reporter David Rohde and New York Times Chief White House Correspondent Peter Baker join Stephanie Ruhle with more details and analysis.

homesweethomeMrL 126 points a day ago

1. The proximate cause: Bahrain hub destroyed, logistics broken

Multiple outlets trace the Lincoln’s supply shortfalls to the Feb. 28 Iranian missile and drone attacks that “heavily damaged” Naval Support Activity Bahrain, a principal logistics hub for U.S. carrier operations in the Gulf, forcing an abrupt pivot to more distant ports such as Diego Garcia and stretching resupply lines . The New York Times and subsequent reporting state the damage to Bahrain directly contributed to shortages and longer deployments for carriers conducting operations related to the war with Iran .

2. Operational consequences: longer trips, Diego Garcia and exposure

The loss of the Bahrain hub forced the Pentagon to use Diego Garcia, farther from the Gulf, as an emergency logistics node; that longer transit, and the vulnerability of alternate ports to Iranian strikes, created measurable strain on sustainment cycles and contributed to the Lincoln approaching nine months at sea without a liberty port, increasing wear on people and materiel . Reporting links that logistical shift to additional Iranian targeting — for example, ballistic missiles aimed at Diego Garcia — and to the effort to keep continuous operations like the maritime blockade and airstrikes functioning .

3. Political overlay: accusations that Hegseth “hid” the damage

Television commentators and pundits framed the narrative as an intentional concealment by Pete Hegseth — the phrase that he “hid” the destruction appears on MS NOW and other clips — but those pieces present the allegation without producing internal memos or a paper trail proving intentional concealment [1]. The reporting available shows Hegseth and the Navy publicly pushing back, calling media descriptions “completely misrepresented,” and declining to confirm specific supply shortfall details in some interviews, which opponents interpreted as evasive .

TL;DR: Of course he did. The next base to supply them is 2,200 miles away. They fucked up super bad again.

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eurodyne 56 points a day ago

As a sidenote: reading this really made me miss the Oxford comma

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idiomaddict 17 points a day ago

Even more fun, this sentence is grammatically vague [I removed the end clause, because it’s irrelevant to this point and adds another comma]:

The reporting available shows Hegseth and the Navy publicly pushing back, calling media descriptions “completely misrepresented,” and declining to confirm specific supply shortfall details in some interviews

That could be an Oxford comma, but it’s probably not. I assume the “calling…misrepresented“ clause qualifies the first point and the second comma is because they’ve ended a quote.

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eurodyne 7 points a day ago

See, they could’ve reworded it for the sake of clarity, but no… they’re just lazy. Not to mention that the responsibility for published articles like this don’t just fall on the writer; there are editors who review this as well. At least three sets of eyes looked over this, and they all decided that this was the best version.

Sometimes I wonder if crap like this gets published just to prove that it wasn’t generated by AI.

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zalgotext 8 points a day ago

The first thing I thought after skimming the numbered headings was that it was AI generated

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driving_crooner 33 points a day ago

Minutes away to a conservative pundit complain that the resupply base name is Hispanic instead of an Union general and Trump forcing everyone to change the name

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eurodyne 32 points a day ago

Minutes away to a conservative pundit complain that the resupply base name is Hispanic instead of an Union Confederate general and Trump forcing everyone to change the name

FTFY

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driving_crooner 10 points a day ago

Yeah, that was I intended to write but got it wrong

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eurodyne 10 points a day ago

I’ve also been drinking 🥃

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Adderbox76 4 points 15 hours ago

use Diego Garcia, farther from the Gulf, as an emergency logistics node

I'm legitimately surprised that Trump hasn't gotten around to ordering the British to rename that via a long nonsensical Truth Social rant.

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danc4498 -6 points a day ago

In all fairness, you can't let your enemy know how badly you're damaged. And considering this administration sees everybody as their enemy, might as well keep lying.

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EntheoNaut 49 points a day ago

In all fairness, the enemy knows precisely what they’ve done and why. They know the damage they caused.

They’ve been highly effective with precision strikes that crippled logistics with intent, by choice.

Their generals are better than ours. The pedophile clowns fired our generals, reorganized leadership and we’re getting our ass handed to us.

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kesslerpartyatmyplace 16 points a day ago

Their generals are literate, sober at least an hour a day, don't constantly run war games where they're penalized for winning as red team, and not doing the job for five years so they can retire to a Grumman sinecure. I bet they aren't brain rotted by chatbots and yes-men either.

I am convinced that I would out-general any current american general in an actual conflict. I don't even remember the branches of the military. Barracks factory starport?

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bedwyr 8 points 18 hours ago

The rot in the US military leadership started long before this president. Nevermind the existing rot that comes with the better part of a trillion dollars showering (yes, it's a golden shower,) on the arms contractors for a moment.

Bush in his invasion if Iraq saw half the generals in the US be forced out, as they wouldn't sign on to a flawed doomed to fail invasion plan.

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grue 76 points a day ago

This is embarrassing for the Navy because the combat units weren't able to protect the base, because the Seabees weren't able to repair the base in a timely manner, and/or because the logistics units weren't able to re-route the supply lines effectively. Take your pick!

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spaghettiwestern 66 points a day ago

Worse than embarrassing. Trump and his ilk have made it clear that they don't really care about the conditions on the Lincoln as long as those conditions don't become publicly known. With competent leadership there would be a contingency plan in place for this exact scenario, but instead we're stuck with a MAGA TV personality that should be working on a used car lot next to a junkyard.

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grue 49 points a day ago

Well yes, but the point I was trying to make is that the issue (and the embarrassment) extends well beyond the Lincoln. This debacle puts the effectiveness of the entire Navy itself into question.

I mean, for the past 75 years, THE thing that the US Navy was best at, that set it apart from and above any other organization in the world, was its amazing logistics. We had dedicated ice cream barges in WWII, for crying out loud! The fact that we're apparently unable to resupply ships for months because of some relatively minor regional war is a decline of the same magnitude as the one the Ukraine war revealed about Russia.

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protist 21 points a day ago

I think y'all actually agree and are saying the same thing. Now kith

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HubertManne 12 points a day ago

this is a reoccuring thing when I describe america. its like the way 80's russia was portrayed and he is making us like current russia. we will have our tank guys train with no tanks.

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kestrel7_7 4 points 15 hours ago

We’re a long way from the WWII Navy ice cream ships. IIRC they have less than a few dozen logistical ships for the entire navy these days. Your last sentence is right on the money.

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Tollana1234567 23 points a day ago

also trump doesnt want the war to stop, otherwise the news is going back to concentrating on domestic issues,ICE and epstein files

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formlessoedon -24 points a day ago

The troops deserve far worse cry more dude

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spaghettiwestern 23 points a day ago

Don't even bother responding to this guy. Look at his comment history and just ignore him.

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formlessoedon -16 points a day ago

Literally quavering

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PagPag -3 points a day ago

I bet you’re a little pussy irl.

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formlessoedon 3 points a day ago

Not pussy enough to sign up to get my dick blown off by Ayatollah Khamenei because daddy would be proud of me

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cy888 4 points 14 hours ago

The US military used to have amazing logistics to the point that the navy built a mobile floating drydock &supply base to fight the Japanese without long supply lines.

This logistical prowess hasn't been tested in decades and is showing weakness.

The US economy likely unable to build up to support a war economy. Everything has been outsourced to China.

A war with the PRC may prove embarrassing to the USA.

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eestileib 2 points 12 hours ago

Yeah the US gutted itself to save a buck.

Oh well.

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anomnom 1 point 42 minutes ago

They picked a fight with a country that’s been planning for this for decades and has the weapons to continually threaten our bases and supply lines, not to mention keeping the straight too dangerous to rely on.

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AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor 55 points a day ago

So... "a few shepherds with basically sticks and stones" managed to fuck royally the whole US navy? The navy of the strongest military of the world? The navy that, apparently was able to destroy anything in its path?

I mean, they were saying months ago that Iran's military was utterly destroyed and they won the war... How did they go from "we're winning the war and Iran's military is gone" to "our sailors are eating boot soles"?

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sin_free_for_00_days 9 points a day ago

Your comment almost got me to rewatch Ossoff (sp?) asking Kegsbreath the same question over and over.

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SpruceBringsteen 5 points 12 hours ago

Clearly Trump and Pete missed out on some of the core concepts of Dune if they watched it.

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merc 3 points 11 hours ago

To be fair, if they were willing to have the Lincoln leave the region, they could resupply at a number of other US bases around the world. They just want to keep it nearby so that it can continue to be a threat to Iran and offer some protection to the ships and bases nearby.

They could send another carrier strike group to cover for it, but they want to continue to shoot fishermen in the Caribbean, threaten China, and patrol the east and west coasts of the USA. And, it would be embarrassing to have to pull out of RIMPAC.

What's shameful is that the US bases in the region were so poorly thought out / poorly protected. The main US navy base in the middle east was past the Strait of Hormuz in Bahrain, and had to be abandoned after the Iranians kept hitting it with missiles. Even if it had been adequately defended, they might not be able to resupply it right now because to get supplies in means getting them past the Strait.

If the possibility of a shooting war with Iran was even vaguely considered, having the main base in the region be one you needed to pass the Strait of Hormuz to access seems like a bad plan, as was having one that's only 200 km from Iran's coastline.

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mrmisses 41 points a day ago

Did they destroy the entire base without killing anyone? What else are they hiding?

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protist 22 points a day ago

Don't need to destroy a base to make it inoperable, just need to damage a few important things like runways and control centers

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Aqarius 9 points 21 hours ago

Blownup the port cranes and you're basically done. It's what the US and Saudis did in Yemen

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bedwyr 4 points 18 hours ago

Runways are easy to fix, like a day.

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protist 4 points 17 hours ago

I don't think that's true, but also that's assuming you have the supplies to fix them

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bedwyr 4 points 17 hours ago

When the US hit the syrian runways in the mad king's first term after they used chemical weapons, they had it fixed by the next day. There are other examples too just can't think of them right now.

The US, with their 900 billion dollars a year budget or whatever, should have everything needed on hand to repair the runway. If they don't it's just another example of how we have all the wrong people in charge, before this administration and even moreso now.

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bedwyr 3 points 18 hours ago

The US is claiming zero navy related deaths. In an interview a couple of administration officials called it 'a fucking joke,' and the like.

It was just in the news but startpage won't give it to me, and the other engines are worse and spy on me as I'm aware. Fucking illegal shittrust in search engines but that's another story.

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NotMyOldRedditName 36 points a day ago

Was the damage done by drones or missiles?

Its tragically embarrassing either way, but even more so if drones because the whole fucking world knew Iran would be using drones to cause damage and the US ignored everything Ukraine learned and wanted to pass on.

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melsaskca 33 points 17 hours ago

So, Hegseth will throw his own country to the wolves just to deflect from his inexperience and ignorance. trump must be so proud of his acolyte.

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Funkt4st1c 20 points 17 hours ago

I keep saying it but this is literal treason. In 19xx, any general or SECRATARY OF DEFENSE would absolutely be convicted immediately for putting american lives in danger to benefit your own ego. It'd be national news for weeks. Its fucking embarassing and dishonorable.

Id throw their tagline back at them, but theyve never believed in being "great" in the first place.

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eestileib 7 points 12 hours ago

Conservatives are hypocrites held together by agreed upon bigotry.

That's it, it's not that complicated.

They never believed anything they said.

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merc 3 points 12 hours ago

You shouldn't keep saying that until you learn what literal treason is.

Figurative treason, maybe. But, not literal treason.

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takeda 7 points 14 hours ago

Dictators want unqualified people in high positions, to ensure loyalty and control, as these individuals are less likely to challenge dictator's authority or policies.

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FlashMobOfOne 5 points 15 hours ago

And Congress won't do jack shit about it in order to protect their own reputations.

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SeeMarkFly 28 points a day ago

The first thing to die in war is the truth.

Is it a war? Or just the "new politics"?

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spaghettiwestern 29 points a day ago

Truth was dead to the GOP long before they started this war.

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bedwyr 4 points 18 hours ago

Don't kid yourself, truth was dead to most of the democratic party as well. Almost all of them.

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Waffelmeister 18 points a day ago

I always though the US-Military is almost allmighty. It's nice to see there are clear limitations to their power.

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fenpy 19 points a day ago

They are allmighty.

In Hollywood movies!

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D_C 5 points 21 hours ago

Wait, are you telling me U571 and Battleship are not documentaries?
They must be fact based though, yeah?

Screw this, I'm going to check for myself. Brb...

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Tollana1234567 6 points a day ago

where is the rail gun we see in transformers.

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weps 7 points 18 hours ago

Trump doesn't like magnets

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bitjunkie 6 points 16 hours ago

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Jaysyn 6 points 18 hours ago

We're going back to steam powered cannon

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ChillPenguin 4 points 16 hours ago

Best we can do is a catapult

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elucubra 3 points 16 hours ago

And Iran has trebuchets

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Tollana1234567 1 point 2 hours ago

why not a ballista.

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bedwyr 3 points 18 hours ago

They cut the rail gun program a couple of years back or something.

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AA5B 5 points 18 hours ago

I seem to recall reading the rail kept melting

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bedwyr 3 points 17 hours ago

I bet, it's an incredible weapon, I would think it would be a good way to start out payloads into space, instead of just rocket boosters, throw them into the air at 30k mph or whatever, then hit the boosters.

Obviously if people are onboard that wouldn't work as the gravity force would kill them.

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kestrel7_7 6 points 15 hours ago

Biggest paper tiger in history.

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merc 3 points 11 hours ago

The air force of the army of the US navy (i.e. the air force of the USMC) is bigger than the air forces of all but 3 countries in the world. It's the 7th largest air force in the world, only beaten by the actual USAF, the army's air force, the USN air force, and the countries of China, India and Russia (though that last one might be out of date thanks to Ukraine).

The US might not be quite as powerful as it's sometimes portrayed to be, and might really struggle when it faces tactics that it hasn't prepared for. But, it's still a ridiculously powerful military.

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gwl 6 points 15 hours ago

Honestly, their K/D/A ratio is pretty shockingly bad, also they've quite a few times been feeding (trained Osama, to sick him on another country they didn't like, Osama came back to bite them in the ass. Gave support to a military Junta by a fascist military, that gov came back to bite them in the ass. Etc etc)

They just have an incredibly good propaganda arm, that makes them look more mighty than they are

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kestrel7_7 6 points 14 hours ago

The only massive wars the USA ever actually won were the Civil War (against ourselves, doesn't count) and WWII (when we had almost the entire goddamn world on our side). We got like a participation trophy for WWI. Other than that, it's all been colonialist bullshit oppression of smaller/weaker countries, there's never been a direct conflict with another major industrialized country.

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 2 points 13 hours ago

I would argue it won the cold war, in a largely peaceful way.

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BigMacHole 16 points 17 hours ago

NOT supplying our Troops is how you SUPPORT the Troops!

-Republicans!

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SkaveRat 5 points 16 hours ago

They are just saving taxpayer money. Such a genius move

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Dnb 5 points 15 hours ago

Would be nice if they were actually saving money instead of being the most wasteful admin ever. Instead we get shit and massive debt

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monkeyslikebananas2 2 points 15 hours ago

That just makes them smart!

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ArmchairAce1944 15 points 11 hours ago

This reminds of Dune where Raban is forced to hide that the Fremen and Paul halted spice production to save his own ass at the cost of countless others.

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SabinStargem 15 points 15 hours ago

I think this proves an assertion that I have made in the past: America excels at battles, but is unfit for war.

America used to have stamina, but the focus on ultra-tech and now "manhood" has robbed it of that important thing.

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eestileib 10 points 12 hours ago

I'm not sure America excels at battles. Seems like sucker punches is what they're best at.

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nullspace 7 points 12 hours ago

To be fair, the best way to win a battle is to sucker punch.

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eestileib 6 points 12 hours ago

Yeah but the US also wants everyone to like and respect and trust them.

You can't do both.

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M0oP0o 4 points 11 hours ago

Also kinda hard to win when you have no plan after said sucker punch.

Vs small nations/groups that have no real ability to fight back.... eh kinda works (not in Afghanistan or Iraq though). For some reason I keep thinking about Black Adder goes forth and him talking about how his war experience vs the "Watutsi" was not applicable as they where armed only with fruit. This conflict is the states in the trenches trying to fight like their enemies have no strike abilities, and now all the us bases are gone they don't have the local logistics.

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merc 14 points 12 hours ago

The fact that the main US base in the Persian Gulf was destroyed has been known for months.

Here's a story about it from June:

https://www.wsj.com/...

I remember reading back then about how the navy was scrambling to evacuate the base because they couldn't stop the incoming missiles.

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ElDuderino 13 points 11 hours ago

You had to either really read in between the lines or be following alternative news sources to understand that the Bahrain base was destroyed in March. Most people following mainstream news did not know how bad it was. Heck - most casual people are still like 'what war?'

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merc 7 points 11 hours ago

Not really, it was a major article in the WSJ, it was in the NY Times. the BBC. It was in the military's own news site Stars and Stripes.

I wouldn't be surprised if most people were unaware, but most people seem unaware of just about everything.

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M0oP0o 5 points 11 hours ago

A fact that was and is still wildly under appreciated.

The loss of those bases is massive and likely a turning point in this mess.

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merc 6 points 11 hours ago

I don't think it's that massive. It's embarrassing and shameful, but the US navy has plenty of other bases that can take up the slack.

It was really stupid to start a war with Iran without first moving all the key personnel out of that base and redeploying them outside Iran's reach. The navy had to know that once a shooting war started, a base that was just across the narrow part of the Gulf from Iran, only 200 km away, was going to be extremely vulnerable. It is a sign of the kind of military that Hegseth runs that they had to abandon and evacuate that base once missiles started hitting it.

But, there's no need for the USN to be commanded from a building that's only 200 km from Iran. They can manage that fleet from the nearby base in Naples, or from a US base.

And, of course, if Trump hadn't alienated all the US's former friends and allies, there might be plenty of places between the Persian Gulf and Naples that would be willing to help with resupplies. But, as it stands, the US doesn't really have any friends anymore.

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M0oP0o 2 points 10 hours ago

Clearly not in the area. This is the thing, it is very much a massive issue and loss.

The usn is not currently functioning the way it is expected to, and the loss of bases (something total unthinkable just last year) is a leading factor.

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merc -1 points 10 hours ago

How close does the base have to be? The USN has resupply ships, allowing the fleets to stay somewhere and never go back to the port. For anything other than resupply, the base could really be anywhere in the world.

The USN is functioning in the way it is expected to. In a "real" war, you would expect there to be losses, including bases near the front line. In a real war it wouldn't be unusual for sailors to have to skip leave. The thing is, the US hasn't fought a "real" war in a very long time -- the kind of war that puts hardship on sailors. So, even though the US is sorta-kinda at war, it's not the kind of war where sailors feel like they have to make sacrifices. So, they're complaining a lot about having to stay out at sea for a long time.

Combine that with the military leadership being too proud to admit to making mistakes, the president being unwilling to ever back down, and nobody being willing to say that Iran managed to land a few blows, and you get sailors who don't believe they're in a real war, so they're pissed off about not getting shore leave. You also get a Navy that isn't willing to move other carrier strike groups into the region so that the sailors currently there can get cycled out for a break.

But, this is hardly devastating to the military. Morale on that carrier isn't great, but it's not like anybody's injured or dying. They're still getting regular supplies.

There's nothing about what's happening that's unthinkable. In a real war you'd expect things to be much worse.

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NoneOfUrBusiness 12 points a day ago

I think I'm just about tired of bringing up leopards and faces every time the USS Lincoln comes up, so here's one last time:

Leopards eating faces moment.

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Mouselemming 8 points a day ago

The leopards are eating faces because the supply depot for their regular food was bombed by Iran and they're stuck on the Lincoln with a buncha delicious-face people.

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SabinStargem 5 points a day ago

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AntiBullyRanger 9 points a day ago

Every time I read reports like this, I fear s are many times more intellectually challenged than Hegseth, because they haven't taken the Nazis down.

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spacegoat 4 points a day ago

Emoji kitchen?

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AntiBullyRanger 4 points a day ago

on the Lemmy Front end, hover over the image for the alternate text, or select «view source»

I am saying that I think AmeKKKunts may be more intellectually challenged than the SoW of the same state.

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bitjunkie 4 points 16 hours ago

wHy DoN't ThEy Do SoMeThInG

- another armchair badass

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AntiBullyRanger 1 point 14 hours ago

because

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SaveTheTuaHawk 8 points 13 hours ago

Is 2026 any different to the past? When Rumsfeld was in charge of the Iraq invasion soldiers jeered him because they were having to hack their vehicles with scrap metal to make them safe. His response was just belligerent.

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spaghettiwestern 10 points 13 hours ago

It doesn't matter how many times Republicans fuck the troops, the troops still vote for them.

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SaveTheTuaHawk 7 points 12 hours ago

Because basic training involves breaking the soldier psychologically into actually believing in God and country.

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mnemonicmonkeys 4 points 13 hours ago

You'd be surprised. I know a lot of vets that are progressive. They just generally keep their politics to themselves

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spaghettiwestern 6 points 13 hours ago

The majority consistently vote Republican.

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PumpUpTheJam 1 point 9 hours ago

Wonder how children would vote given the option.

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Noblesavage 3 points 4 hours ago

I get your point, but, unfortunately, I think the vast majority of children would only vote the way their parent's are voting. When you're literally dependent on someone else to feed you, cloth you, and provide a shelter over your head - you don't have a whole lot of options to go against your parent's wishes. Add in that most kids are equally as uninformed, or drink knowledge from some of the most brainrot cesspools of the internet, and you're not really getting the most informed voter on the other side.

I want to believe that a child voter would dramatically change the political landscape for better, but I'm far too jaded and cynical after seeing this current circus to believe it.

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merc 2 points 12 hours ago

Even before the bronze age, armies often used lightly armoured scouts who could move quickly and quietly.

I don't think the lightly armoured HMMWVs that were supplied were accidentally lacking armour, and that the soldiers were fixing a problem with them that the military should have noticed but didn't. I think it was an intentional choice to have a lightly armoured recon and transport vehicle and that the soldiers didn't agree with that choice and wanted a heavily armoured vehicle instead.

Sometimes soldiers know what they need better than the upper brass. On the other hand, sometimes the upper brass wants to save money. Sometimes they want a vehicle that's quick and hard to spot, rather than one that's really safe for its occupants.

It's probably a bad sign, especially in an all-volunteer military, when the soldiers refuse to accept the equipment they're given and insist on modifying it because they assume the brass are idiots and gave them something defective.

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eestileib 6 points 12 hours ago

I think the scrap armor they're talking about adding was to deal with the huge amount of mines they were dealing with in Iraq.

Speed doesn't save you from an explosion.

The US went in with a mentality and approach, and the resistance forces found a weak spot and leaned on it.

Honest appraisal and adaptation is necessary in any competitive activity, not just war.

I think it's the "honest appraisal" part that the US can't do.

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merc 1 point 11 hours ago

Yeah, I think IEDs were the big issue that was scaring the American soldiers. But, that doesn't necessarily mean that the US planners were caught off guard. It might just mean that they thought that an occasional light vehicle taken out by an IED was an acceptable loss.

The number of acceptable losses according to military planners is always going to be much higher than the number of acceptable losses according to the people getting killed. Often the power rests with the planners and the soldiers just have to grumble and accept it. It's interesting that in this case the soldiers were able to make their case so effectively that the military started putting armour on light vehicles, something that's very rarely done.

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eestileib 1 point 6 hours ago

Lots of people driving "behind the lines" supply routes with vehicles that were never meant to operate under fire or be nimble also got hit.

The US went in thinking that it would be like the Normandy campaign with overall friendly locals.

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nomy 1 point 9 hours ago

Nah I remember it pretty well they shipped the soldiers without adequate body armor as well.

It was less a calculated, strategic move and more of a "dumbass doesn't know how it works" thing.

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merc -1 points 9 hours ago

Again, who decides what's "adequate" when it comes to body armour?

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BigPotato 1 point 2 hours ago

Everyone wants "adequate" body armor but no one wants to wear the IBA's nut flap and thigh guards...

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minorkeys 4 points 11 hours ago

A liar and a coward, shocker.

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Smaile 2 points 13 hours ago

So Iran is swinging back hard huh

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eletes 1 point 4 hours ago

And apparently this snake wants to run for president

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BarneyPiccolo 3 points 4 hours ago

I hope he does, that should be entertaining.

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JBCJR 2 points 17 minutes ago

I’m afraid that very notion is part of how we got here. I wouldn’t tempt the fates like that again.

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NauticalNoodle 1 point 8 minutes ago

Both of Trump's election wins were the Democrat's elections to lose. If Hegseth ran for office, it's very possible he could win just as a result of the Democrats fumbling again. -The bar is so low.

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