Pete Hegseth’s Air Force Academy speech backdrop draws scrutiny: ‘Accidental Nazi is just not a thing’

7 days ago by MicroWave to c/politics

An angular eagle behind the defense secretary departed from the Pentagon’s established branding. Critics saw echoes of the Third Reich.

A reimagined “Department of War” logo displayed behind Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth at a recent speech drew immediate comparisons to Third Reich iconography.

Speaking to Air Force Academy cadets on Saturday, Hegseth stood in front of a monochrome logo for his agency that differs from the designs in the Defense Department’s official branding guide. The backdrop features a stylized eagle that critics compared to the straight-edged Reichsadler used by Nazi Germany under Adolf Hitler.

Atelopus-zeteki 166 points 7 days ago

It's not accidental, it's intentional.

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DickHertz 50 points 7 days ago

Yuuup. I’m waiting for they stop pretending they’re not following the Hitler playbook.

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danekrae 33 points 7 days ago

Giving credit to others is not part of their modus operandi.

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DickHertz 11 points 7 days ago

They’d spin it somehow I guess how they’ve been doing it. You’re probably right. They might not credit the man but they are gladly accepting the playbook.

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mrmisses 14 points 7 days ago

Pretty sure you could have stopped waiting back when they put up concentration camps

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altphoto 15 points 7 days ago

I was listening to NPR this morning and they had a guy from Newyork who was taken to a concentration camp in Louisiana. He wrote a book about it.

https://www.npr.org/...

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Jarix 4 points 7 days ago

And that's taking the connection to Roman Empire out of the equation

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Zaktor 87 points 7 days ago

The DOD eagle is very close to the shape used, just with a slight swoop to the top of the wings.

Sometimes the wings have been pretty straight.

Both of those were taken from .mil pages. The major difference is in the straight horizontal feathers, which does match the Reichsadler.

It's questionable, but I don't think this is a slam dunk you take to your Fox News parents

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CrimeIsLegalNow 65 points 7 days ago

If only they'd done any other deliberately Nazi-esque things you could include to prove a pattern of behavior.

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BeMoreCareful 30 points 7 days ago

Fox News parents are already gone lol

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flandish 12 points 7 days ago

i mean. the fox news parents are already probably nazis anyway.

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BeMoreCareful 8 points 7 days ago

Or so twisted they'll not be able to get out without professional help. It's pretty culty and people spend their lives getting over that stuff.

There's a pretty common thread of thought that they are ushering in the apocalypse, or in it already or something. That thought process takes a lot of work to prop up and nurture and a lot of that is internal. Who knows what that crash out will look like.

All the Nazi stuff is pretty concerning, but I believe that's more of an issue for military aged men than anyone else and society already has a way to deal with that.

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wheezy 15 points 6 days ago

If I had a hindu swastika outside a temple and wanted "do a modern redesign" I'd definitely avoid rotating it by 45 degrees, removing the inner circles, and choosing a red, black, and white color pallet.

If I happen to do that by mistake. I'd definitely absolutely understand when someone pointed out that my "modern design" just suspiciously made it look MORE like a Nazi symbol. Which would clearly be the opposite intention behind a symbol that already has a similar look.

Point being. If we have imagery or symbols from the past that are similar to a white supremacist genocidal state and we were doing a "redesign" there is no possible way a well intention person could accidentally make it "more Nazi looking".

It's on purpose. It's not gonna help your fox news parents. True. But anyone with a brain can understand what is being done here.

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Tikiporch 6 points 7 days ago

Agree. It's even right there on the flag two feet away, which they've been using since 1949.

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Gates9 50 points 6 days ago

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Yuccagnocchiyaki 22 points 6 days ago

Isn't this the stage that also says, "WE ARE ALL DOMESTIC TERRORISTS" above the stage and Viktor Orban spoke? Or was that ANOTHER RNC?

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Burn_The_Right 7 points 5 days ago

The very same one.

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resipsaloquitur 40 points 7 days ago

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FalschgeldFurkan 3 points 7 days ago

What is this from?

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nickyEtch 22 points 7 days ago

Starship Troopers

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Lushed_Lungfish 15 points 6 days ago

Would you like to know more?

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spencerwi 35 points 7 days ago

The dude with a swastika tattoo who's in charge of a fascist regime's military and just launched the new Reichsministerium für die Kirchliche Angelegenheiten had a logo redesigned to look like the Nazi eagle

...and someone thinks this is a coincidence?

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ShellMonkey 34 points 7 days ago

Other than the guy standing in front of it, pretty well a duplicate

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Ludicrous0251 6 points 7 days ago

He had to block the swastika, they're not fully "out" Nazis yet.

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Thebeardedsinglemalt 33 points 7 days ago

You mean aside from the blatantly obvious Nazi uniforms for Space Force?

And the recent Iowa repubs convention literally show hitler speeches?

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 4 points 6 days ago

Did they rename space farce?

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Corvidae 26 points 7 days ago

There's no olive branch.

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peopleproblems 9 points 7 days ago

That's sort of disturbing itself given the symbology of an olive branch.

Also, why did they change it from 13 stars (from the original colonies I think) to 5? Nazis are VERY image based people (so much so they would probably get classified as a personality disorder thinking about it, self-harm, cognitive dissonance, splitting) so they mean everything they show.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 2 points 6 days ago

One for each of the seven branches of the military

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pomp 2 points 6 days ago

7 != 5

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peopleproblems 3 points 6 days ago

Nobody said this administration was good at math. So... I mean its plausible

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pomp 23 points 6 days ago

I'm Irish and I've hated the American war machine my whole life.

I was comparing Bush to Hitler twenty years ago and calling your soldiers Nazis ever since.

Sad to see it come this far, and with such popularity.

The world is truly broken and there are dark, dark times on the horizon.

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kent_eh 3 points 5 days ago

I was comparing Bush to Hitler twenty years ago and calling your soldiers Nazis ever since.

The original German Nazis were (partially) inspired by fascist (and racist and anti-semetic) movements in the USA.

They even visited America in the mid 1930s to gather some ideas.

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OriginalTangle 16 points 6 days ago

Guys, please don't get distracted. Don't spend your energy on the is-it-nazi-or-not game. Focus on affordability, inflation, corruption and security. You have five weeks and you're up against a gang of professional trolls. Don't let them decide what gets discussed.

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YragNitram1956 2 points 5 days ago

Same in the UK. “Driving through Nazi Germany today- I mean middle England…. Outside Birmingham Airport. And this is what greets people arriving in Britain. Flags everywhere, not as welcome or pride, but as intimidation. Weaponised symbolism. A message that says exclusion before it says hello. Is this how we want to present ourselves to the world? The first thing visitors see is not culture, innovation, or hospitality, but nationalism turned aggressive and hostile. Tourism, trade, investment, students, business confidence. All of it relies on Britain looking open, stable, and serious. Turning national symbols into threats does the opposite. You do not strengthen an economy by making the country look angry and closed. You do not attract growth by signalling fear of outsiders. You do not build pride by turning identity into a warning sign. This is not patriotism. It is posturing. And it makes Britain look smaller, not stronger. So do the news reports of Brits falling off ladders while the country argues about flags instead of fixing what is broken. If you want a weaker economy and a poorer future, keep choosing distraction over reality. That is the path you are on. And when the consequences arrive, I hope those flags come in handy. You may need them for tents sooner than you think. Some councils have paid £75,000 for these flags instead of helping people out on the lead up to Christmas. We should replace them all with rainbow flags in June. I do also think we should start writing refugees welcome on them with permanent markers. A national campaign. Vote Reform to be poorer! Just look at the new reform councils. If you cannot grasp what is being said here, then pause. This is not about flags. It was never about flags. It is about the people holding them. The intent behind them. The way symbols are picked up sharpened and used to hit other people with. The way patriotism gets turned into a weapon and then pointed downward. If you are still arguing about bunting while missing the cruelty, the contempt then that is the point being made. If all you see is cloth and colour and not who is being targeted underneath it then you might be the problem. This shabby, yobbish, and offensive behaviour makes be ashamed of being British.”

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Yuccagnocchiyaki 1 point 6 days ago

"professional trolls".

Yes yes yes. Keep voting for the party that is so unlikable and ineffective that they COULDNT beat Nazis, twice.

You know what else is weird? They NEVER mention this and showcase the threat these Nazis actually are. They work WITH them AGAINST the working class.

WAKEUP

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OriginalTangle 1 point 5 days ago

That's ok. My country showcased it for you.

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Freeposity 16 points 6 days ago

The US Government has a history of letting fascists in America get away with attempting to take over the country. They wait a few decades and then give it another shot, learning how to do it better each time.

If we don't put these people in prison for serious time, we will have them at it again soon and they'll be even stronger.

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Burn_The_Right 1 point 5 days ago

The problem with prison is we have over 100 million of these roaches infesting our nation. We simply don't have the room or the manpower. Plus, allowing conservatives to continue to live and breed will only result in more of them to deal with in the future.

Conservatives have been telling us "The south will rise again!" over and over since 1865. It sounds like they are begging us to finish the civil war. Let's do them that favor. Let's finish Sherman's work and bring us all some closure.

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Jumpingspiderman 16 points 6 days ago

On purpose Nazi is Hegseth and MAGAs thing though

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katiecakes 13 points 5 days ago

Nazi bullshit aside, what a horrible website. It started autoplaying a video, had consent popups, click for more, I had no idea what the article itself was vs ads vs other articles.

(Fuck Nazis)

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Eternal192 13 points 7 days ago

Long before this he was showing signs.

Hail hydra i guess, issue is only the dumbest heads remain.

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GuyFawkesV 10 points 7 days ago

People need to wake the fuck up and open their fucking eyes NOW.

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QueenHawlSera 14 points 6 days ago

They won't. Elon Musk did a sieg heil and no one even blinked. The ADL even defended him.

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cmbabul 3 points 7 days ago

I will be very enthusiastically elated if that happens

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WizardofFrobozz 3 points 7 days ago

They needed to wake the fuck up and open their eyes when their country decided "The Department of Homeland Security" was a very normal thing. If they didn't then, or at Citizens United, or at masked agents shooting citizens in the street, they won't now.

They will do nothing. Americans will roll over, allow it to escalate, and accept the escalation as the new normal. Watch.

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postmateDumbass 10 points 7 days ago

When the chest tattoo matches the drapes...

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RephlectioNZ 4 points 6 days ago

It's going to be a maze.

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postmateDumbass 1 point 6 days ago

Of hatred.

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Nouvellalia 8 points 7 days ago

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tigeruppercut 6 points 7 days ago

He just needed fElon there in the audience throwing his heart out to him to really sell how un-nazi like he is.

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deHaga 6 points 7 days ago

America has always been a bit nazi. Even the surfers

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Jiral 3 points 6 days ago

I mean the black cross really isn't a Nazi symbol. It is a Prussian symbol long predating the Nazi regime, derived from the cross of the German Order, still in use by the German Bundeswehr to this day and we all know how thoroughly Germany is in not using any Nazi symbols anymore (and also making their depiction a crime).

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deHaga 1 point 5 days ago

Yeah, I was kinda joking with the surfers bit. It's only a nazi thing if it's been tatooted onto a white supremacist I guess

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Jiral 1 point 5 days ago

It is if its behind a Reichsadler and Hakenkreuz

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NoneOfUrBusiness 5 points 7 days ago

Y'all Nazis don't get to monopolize eagles.

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GalacticGrapefruit 5 points 7 days ago

Especially since the Nazis stole our eagle first.

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minnow 4 points 7 days ago

The Romans would like a word.

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wonderingwanderer 4 points 7 days ago

Don't you mean the Persians, whom the Romans stole it from?

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rounding_error 5 points 7 days ago

Not sure this is surprising given how ultra-nationalist both the 3rd Reich and Magats are.

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QueenHawlSera 4 points 6 days ago

We already have camps, if Democrats don't win midterms they will start sending transpeople to them.

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IndustryStandard 3 points 5 days ago

On the bright side I do not think that AI models generate Nazi speeches, so at least he wrote the Nazi speech himself.

Wait that is not bright at all

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NotEasyBeingGreen 1 point 5 days ago

I'm pretty sure that Grok will write most speeches as Nazi speeches....

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Leviathan 3 points 7 days ago

Oops! They said the quiet part loud.

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kent_eh 3 points 5 days ago

And there was no significant push-back.

Again.

America is already lost.

Anyone who thinks the mid-terms alone will fix everything is dreaming.

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Burn_The_Right 0 points 5 days ago

Any outcome that permits fascists to live will result in continued fascism.

We have over 100 million fascists infesting our country. There is no peaceful or bloodless solution and people on the left absolutely refuse to do what is needed to erase the fascists. We aren't even allowed to discuss it openly.

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paraproto 2 points 5 days ago

Does anyone remember Die Hard 2? There is a scene in it that movie that those kind of things happening in the USA remind me. In a military truck a soldier (Corporal Telford) has his throat slit by his superior (Major Grant) while the rest of the soldiers just sit there idly. He was killed because he was not one of "them".

spoiler: a drastic photo from the mentioned movie scene

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Mulligrubs -1 points 7 days ago

Absurd. So many flags and symbols have an eagle in this exact. same. position. There are enough real problems without this kind of absolute shite.

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peopleproblems 7 points 7 days ago

While I agree - Nazis are image focused. They have to look powerful, and look victimized, look successful, look like they know what they're doing.

It's not entirely a distraction - its a warning sign that they don't intend to ensure peace.

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yesman -37 points 7 days ago

Symbols are for the symbol minded. I care about fascist policy, not iconography. He could stand in front of a bust of Hitler for all I care just so long as he stops murdering fisherman, Iranian kids, and heroic drug smugglers.

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CrimeIsLegalNow 25 points 7 days ago

1: all humans are "symbol minded" it's how language works.

2: that's stupid and dishonest and you're stupid and dishonest for saying it

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