U.S. intelligence raises fears of civil unrest and state breakdown in Israel ahead of October 27 elections.
CIA Report Warns Israel Could Head Toward Civil War, Total Collapse
7 days ago by Felis_Catus_Domesticus to c/world
U.S. intelligence raises fears of civil unrest and state breakdown in Israel ahead of October 27 elections.
It's:
I want war crimes done by ME.
I want war crimes, but just enjoy watching not risking my life on them.
Seems like many prominent politicians are aging, nearing the end of their lives and just want to go out with a bang.

Real answer? I can't imagine a scenario where this would happen, wife or anyone else. I won't bore you with my health problems, but very few people facing terminal health issues probably end up having much good sex. lol.
Half-real answer? I mean, technically I'm poly, although not really "practicing". So technically, probably doesn't have to be very much like my wife.
Although given a choice between her or a stranger....... probably go with her. lol.
Half-way serious answers to silly questions amuse me, thus my extraneous reply :)
"Who sought notoriety by destroying..."
That son-of-a-bitch! It worked!

Don't threaten me with a good time.
Israel has around 90 nuclear warheads with the materials to build up to about 200. The only thing I can imagine being worse is if idiots even more unhinged than their current government acquire and use them. Yes, the bar is that low.
Yes, because disregard all historical background as everyone knows without western enlightenment all brown people revert to their natural state, being terrorists.
There's no way the UN wouldn't intervene given they did it before.
Except for all their neighbours they're illegally occupying and all the countries of the region
As they have sown, so shall they reap.
Reap the whirlwind.
Well, I predict LOTS of civil wars in LOTS of places, especially as the environment collapses and basic needs aren’t met.
If that actually happens, the evangelicals and Millennialists are going to flip out.
Time to stock up on popcorn.
Definite popcorn time watching those two groups respond..
I had to read it twice because the first time I read "millenials" and was like wtf? Then I reread it and saw it was saying millenialists.
After I posted it, I realized that it could easily be misread but I don't know of another term to use to describe Christians who believe in a post-apocalyptic millenium of peace & happiness (as long as you believe in Jesus, that is).
Total collapse? Oh, no. Golly, how awful! I mean, gosh and gee whillikers, I sure hope that doesn't happen. I hope it a lot.
Oh, wait ...
The August report, titled “Fracture From Within,” was compiled by experts in the CIA’s Red Cell, according to two U.S. sources who described the contents of the report to Drop Site News. The Red Cell, which is the unit responsible for providing “alternative analysis” within the agency, produced the assessment through a combination of open source information and U.S. intelligence.... The CIA’s “red teams” are tasked with developing analysis and ideas that challenge prevailing assumptions and expose groupthink or blind spots that can take hold within the intelligence apparatus.
Basically, this is "what's the weirdest shit that is kinda plausible if things don't go how our consensus expects." Useful I assume, but by definition unlikely.


Yeah, this is just some red-teaming of possibilities.
One side wants to genocide harder while the other prefers a more "civilized" genocide.
I think it's more of a one side wants to genocide and participate in it and the other prefers to just watch and not enlist and risks itself.
This is exactly what I thought. What are they going to fight about exactly? Who gets to genocide the locals first? In Israel you have the far right and the farrer right
“As we’re moving forward with further integrating our military-industrial capacity with them, there’s deep frustration that we’re doing this for a country that dragged us into a war we’re losing, a country that spies on us.”
Then fucking stop!
The last place youd expect!
Yes, very forward looking and specualtive...
Like assassinating Castro with exploding cigars. .
That would be the weirdest possible turn of events.
And like, every single supporter of Israel would be stumped, because they would need to think about which Israel to back.
Absolute cinema. Good idea for a fictional alternate timeline.
Yeah if you think Lebanon's political breakup was messy...
This would make that look like child's play.
Yeah.
I know it's natural to feel schadenfreude at the prospect of state collapse in Israel, but fwiw, I don't look forward to it with any joy.
If this is the next phase, so be it. But it will be very, very ugly. The violent collapse of Israel will not lead to relief for Palestinians in the short term.
Still, I've said for years: what Israel is doing to the Palestinians they are doing to themselves. Watching the corrosion of Israeli society, their violence has always looked like a manic frenzy of mass-self harm.
I’ve said for years: what Israel is doing to the Palestinians they are doing to themselves.
wow. that is honestly the first original thought I have heard about the ongoing troubles between these 2 groups of people fighting over the same land, both claiming it to be their own, exclusively..
something in the same spirit, but from a different era, different war..

The violent collapse of Israel will not lead to relief for Palestinians in the short term.
How so? Presumably they won't have time to kill Palestinians if they're too busy killing each other, and while that is a gruesome thought it's not more gruesome than what's already happening.
My suspicion is that a collapse in the Israeli state would look a lot like the present, spiraling out of anyone's control: the settler terrorists would further ratchet up attacks in the West Bank; soldiers in the West Bank would harass and kill more brazenly, without fear of even the limited accountability that can come from a toothless denouncement or a suspension. Soldiers in Gaza might move from checkpoints and bombing runs to militia pogroms driving through streets gunning down civilians. The limited protections for the relatively privileged Arabs & non-Jews within the '48 borders could evaporate: mobs dragging women from their homes for sexual violence and murder in the daylit streets. And all of this would likely be in a shroud of fog, as the limited journalistic capacity that occasionally breaks through to international attention is drowned out by attention on riots in the imperial core of the nation.
In the long term, this could be a step towards a better future. But in the short term I would expect a shift from organized military-led genocide to a more traditional form of rabid mass ethnic killing.
It's hard to believe, but Israel currently has restraint. Yes, they're slow-motion genociding the Palestinians in a grindingly cruel manner, but the reason it's slow-motion is because they have endless debates and factions and desire not to completely rip their masks off while the rest of the world watches and could maybe react on some level.
If Israel turns into full blown civil war all that restraint goes away. If you're already at the point where you're willing to gun down fellow Jews, why not mow down a bunch of Palestinian refugees along the way? If you're not even in control of all of Israel, where can you move Palestinians to get them out of your way? Just kill 'em.
I have no idea what is best in the short term. I have no idea what is best in the long term. Israel is just fucked. I wish there was some way for all the people who want to kill each other to just go ahead and do that without everyone else getting trapped in the crossfire.
Probably too much to hope that they all kill themselves. I've been waiting to see Israel get theirs since it came out in ~2005 that they were conducting medical experiments on prisoners, including children.
Crossposting to /c/upliftingnews@lemmy.world...
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There's already a civil war right next door in Syria, with Turkey, USA, Russia, Israel, Kurds, too many to list fighting. Hundreds of thousands of people dead, years upon years of war.
SUPER WAR
Hopefully we see a repeat of the famous kingdom of Israel and kingdom of Judah split
Interesting variation on history repeating itself. Who is Bibi in all of this? Herod Antipas?
A) US Intelligence says a lot of things.
B) Do you think Trump would allow any kind of major unrest in Israel right now?
I'm sure he's asking grok how to stop it right this minute.
Wow! Nailed it!
ChatGPT: Bop it.
B) the same Trump that screwed up the US's grip in the middle east and ruined the world economy in the process, or the Trump that surrendered to the Taliban?
And that all enriched him and his friends/family significantly. Israel, however, likely has real dirt on him and his family, so protecting them is in his best interest.
Yes?
Do you think Trump would allow any kind of major unrest in Israel right now?
In the end Trump only cares about Trump. He will do or say anything to enrich himself or curry favour. Israel isn't as important as you'd think.
He'd probably throw his own mother under a bus to 'win' the midterms. Or for $2k
Agreed. But the Mossad, Israeli's spy org, was heavily connected to Epstein. You might have heard of him and his connection to Trump. If Trump is at all worried about what info on him they have, he might be willing to protect them to protect himself.
I believe he is quite beyond that; about a third of the US population supports him no matter what, including the worst of the Epstein stories - the the third that is also probably the most violent and will always do his bidding.
He’d probably throw his own mother under a bus to ‘win’ the midterms.
or any of his wives.
Do you think the US military can't come in and help stabilize a government that is experiencing internal fighting? Do you think financial aid to a sitting government doesn't help it deal with civil infighting?
Do you think Trump has any qualms whatsoever giving away taxpayer money or sending in the US military if it helps him somehow, like maybe because Netanyahu has dirt on him?
He can send in the US military to protect Netanyahu and stabilize the established government. He can also send financial aid to help fund whatever infighting they have.
As if Trump's the one running the show. He's more of a mascot of the US empire than anything. Takes all the punches while the secret government of oligarchs remains invisible

C) both A and B
Government, meet the consequences of you own actions. Happy to introduce you.
insert Michael Jackson popcorn meme
For 1200 years under the Ottomans, the Ottomans owned everything, and the local inhabitants were simply allowed to reside on the landNot true again, read about the Ottoman Land Code of 1858 for instance.
In 1858 the Ottoman Empire introduced The Ottoman Land Code of 1858, requiring land owners to register ownership. The reasons behind the law were twofold. (1) to increase tax revenue, and (2) to exercise greater state control over the area.
Opposition
Small farmers, however, saw no need to register claims, for several reasons:
Land owners were subject to military service in the Ottoman Army
General opposition to official regulations from the Ottoman Empire
Evasion of taxes and registration fees to the Ottoman Empire
Outcome
The registration process itself was open to manipulation. Land collectively owned by village residents was registered in the name of a single landowner, with merchants and local Ottoman administrators registering large stretches of land in their own name. The result was land that became the legal property of people who may have never lived there, while locals, even those who had lived on the land for generations, became tenants of absentee owners.
These were the large tracts Jews bought. Non-Jewish "owners" sold out their own "people" for profit in Jewish money. Later in the Ottoman era, when buying inhabited land became troublesome due the land containing existing inhabitants, it became more common for such purchase agreements to stipulate removal of occupants before payment. Owners- even Arab owners- willingly complied with this contractual stipulation, for Jewish cash. Laws can read one way, but the way they are put into practice in reality can hobble them or completely reverse their intent.
I don't think it'll be a good time in the short term.
Long term, maybe. I don't know. But short term it'd result in massacres with no restraint whatsoever, not even what little restraint they have now.
It's a stretch, as it is based on resentment among genocidal supporters for ultra orthodox faction not joining IDF. Though, afaiu, they are part of settler violence/theft, and no genocidal faction resents the settler actions, or sides with international condemnation of IDF/settler genocide/theft.
Hope it burns to the ground.
The sequel.
I don't celebrate war or violence of any kind
But if that's how it must go...(͡•_ ͡• )
Ditto
Why is there a risk of civil war and total collapse ???
Looks like a lot of people are not happy with ultra-orthodox population are exempt from military service, increasing food prices and US starting to separate from them. There's also an election on Oct 27. There is also a mention of veterans coming back with PTSD from the war. The CIA research is saying they are on the edge of civil war. But don't quote me as the article has their sources that we can't verify. Also I don't think the CIA research won't be released.
part of me wonders if this isn't part of krasnov's "vote for republicans or the world ends" campaign.
Where is the report?
I have no lost love for Israel but this site is one of the worst propaganda rags I've seen in a while. This is the same site that tried to claim protesters in Iran were actually being shot by Israel. These people will print anything regardless of how much it smells like bullshit.
Israel is politically unstable right now but hardly at the edge of civil war.

Yeah I smell bullshit. Although I'd love to see it.
The article itself seems accurate geopolitics wise and also regarding the current status of the Zionist state. But still, I dosnt prove it was produced by cia
that sounds just like what a CIA agent would say
Curious - how would you know just what a CIA agent would say? :)

Promise?
Hopefully
lol
That would cause so much suffering to the innocent people that live there...that have been supporting their right wing government in orchestrating genocide.
Fun fact: Even secular wholesome Israelis also want to colonize Palestine (though they're sometimes less enthusiastic about genociding the inhabitants). Chalking this up to religion has nothing to do with reality and is frankly colonialist apologia.
Sometimes I think about that guy I went to grad school with that posted pro Israel stuff after 10/7. I wonder if he's a doctor now and is treating people. Imagine being a Muslim and the healthcare system putting you in the care of a shit stain zionist. Fuck.
Imagine being a Human being and the healthcare system putting you in the care of a shit stain zionist
FTFY
Oh please! Oh please!
Sounds great
Good. It's what they deserve
One of the best scenes in WWZ (the movie at least) was watching Israel fall under the zombie weight of their own hubris. Nukes included.
Israel is at risk of civil war or state collapse, a classified CIA assessment warns, as years of genocide in Gaza and war in Lebanon and Iran deepen political, economic, and social fractures within the country.
The August report, titled “Fracture From Within,” was compiled by experts in the CIA’s Red Cell, according to two U.S. sources who described the contents of the report to Drop Site News. The Red Cell, which is the unit responsible for providing “alternative analysis” within the agency, produced the assessment through a combination of open source information and U.S. intelligence. The assessment appears to refer only to Israel’s Jewish citizens and does not consider its Palestinian citizens, who make up approximately 20% of Israel’s population and who live under various forms of discrimination that Amnesty International and other human rights groups have labelled as part of a broader system of apartheid. The CIA did not respond to a request for comment.
CIA experts pointed to a volatile mix of pressures converging ahead of Israel’s elections on October 27: economic crisis and soaring military spending; heavily armed veterans returning from prolonged combat, many carrying serious psychological trauma; growing fury over ultra-Orthodox men who are exempt from military service; escalating settler violence in the occupied West Bank; and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu fighting to hold onto power and igniting a constitutional crisis.
They could use critical thinking and Sagan's baloney kit to escape supernatural dogmatic systems and see what healthier ways there are to live. Yes, do that and stop the violence and suffering, caused by the wealth/power inequality that benefits men, designed by them into the unhealthy supernatural systems, that punch down on others in the hierarchy.
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In case anyone's confused the contradictions include regrets over what's been done in Gaza.
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