Are We Ready For This Site's Endless Feed of AI-Generated Porn?

3 years ago by stopthatgirl7 to c/technology

A very NSFW website called Pornpen.ai is churning out an endless stream of graphic, AI-generated porn. We have mixed feelings.

Fredselfish 80 points 3 years ago

Could be interesting. I mean for one thing no real person being expolited and those with strange fetishist can be satisfied. But could be very disturbing as well. Wonder how long until AI video porn?

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thepianistfroggollum 17 points 3 years ago

It's already happened. Someone made an AI generated porn of some influencer and it was a big deal for a few minutes.

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Magrath 11 points 3 years ago

Are you talking about deep fakes? None of that is original. They just use their a face and AI matches it on to a pornstars body in an existing video.

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JackbyDev 3 points 3 years ago

I feel like we will start to see that more often. S complaint I see a lot here is that some people want extremely niche content that is very specific. If you have some people who get into those very specific poses and do those very specific things then run it through SD's image to image feature you can make the person look sexy but have the same pose. The same way you have folks do mo cap for roles we might start seeing people specifically hired to do this sort of stand in.

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guyrocket 11 points 3 years ago

I think it is just a matter of time for the disturbing stuff to circulate. If people can create their darkest desires they will.

Then cue debates and political campaigns about AI in general and if we should allow anyone or anything to create depraved images, pronographic or not.

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gullible 19 points 3 years ago

That’s so good, sissy. You got even better after I amputated your legs.

“We don’t intend to police the use of developing technologies at this time.”

That’s so good, sissy, blind that billionaire with your acidic piss.

“We cannot allow our children to be exposed to such grotesque videos.”

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Ryantific_theory 6 points 3 years ago

Yeah, although I think part of the missing nuance is that people already did that, the difference being that now anyone can, in theory, create what's inside their head, regardless of their actual artistic talent. Now that creation is accessible though, everyone's having another moral panic over what should be acceptable for people to create.

If anything, moving the more disturbing stuff from the real world to the digital seems like an absolute win. But I suppose there will always be the argument, much like video games making people violent, that digital content will become real.

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shortly2139 5 points 3 years ago

People have been able to draw for eons. Imagine trying to ban the public from drawing because the odd few people are a little mixed up.

AI is just a tool, like the pencil, charcoal or paints.

I know you aren't suggesting we ban it from the public, just my side of the hypothetical debate that your right in saying will arrive

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funkless_eck 77 points 3 years ago

"eh I'll take a look"

first thing I see is a woman on her back with her legs behind her head, smooth skin where her genitals should be and nipples in the middle of her buttocks.

"alright then"

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lightnsfw 23 points 3 years ago

Once again pornography is setting unrealistic standards for women.

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AdmiralShat 19 points 3 years ago

Great, more man made horrors beyond comprehension

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Geriatrickid 28 points 3 years ago

Non-Euclidean anatomy

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chemical_cutthroat 10 points 3 years ago

BBC Escher.

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1847953620 11 points 3 years ago

World's first mandelboobs - fractal porn enthusiast community incoming

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Flambo 15 points 3 years ago

if xkcd was right about jpeggy porn being niche, i'd bank on terrible AI porn becoming a niche in the future too.

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Nihilore 4 points 3 years ago

Yeh this site has nothing on some of the insane ai creators on pixiv

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sock 2 points 3 years ago

i prefer the pregnant woman with huge boobs instead of a pregnant stomach (and also less huge boobs where they normally are)

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Neon 1 point 3 years ago

woman with a dinosaur and a woman without legs for me

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Magnergy 67 points 3 years ago path: 0 3721423, hotness: undefined, score: 67, children: 6
BloodSlut 18 points 3 years ago

🥵

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Koboldschadenfroh 14 points 3 years ago
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LazaroFilm 13 points 3 years ago

SFW content in an NSFW website. Nice!

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MummifiedClient5000 10 points 3 years ago

I'd throw a hotdog down that corridor, if you know what I mean.

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RobotToaster 6 points 3 years ago

lewd

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Anonymousllama 1 point 3 years ago

Finally some good technology

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Touching_Grass 43 points 3 years ago

I'm not sure if I have the strength to clutch these pearls any harder over these articles. I peaked 8 articles ago.

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edgemaster72 14 points 3 years ago

Have a sandwich and a nap then I'm sure you'll be ready to go again

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threeduck 8 points 3 years ago

Weakling.

I've been clutching so hard, the pearls fused into my flesh years ago. I've bankrupted myself buying more pearls, inserted one by one into my clenched fist.

Luckily the mere sight of me - a lurching pearlescent beast with glinting pearls for eyes - causes clams to voluntarily offer their own in reverance, my own unending supply.

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admin 3 points 3 years ago

You're a poet.

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WhyDoesntThisThingWork 1 point 3 years ago
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hesusingthespiritbomb 39 points 3 years ago

I personally can't wait for AI to cause a thotmarket collapse.

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PoliticalAgitator 12 points 3 years ago

But then who will you treat like shit?

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PetDinosaurs 2 points 3 years ago

We've programmed a robot to be treated like shit.

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vaultdweller013 2 points 3 years ago

I also gave it clynical depression!

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hesusingthespiritbomb 1 point 3 years ago

The AI eGirl, but it'll be alright because I'll pay CeoGPT an extra $5/month for a model that's into that shit.

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PoliticalAgitator -2 points 3 years ago

Gotcha. You're fine with paying someone to pretend they'd willingly fuck you, you're just not comfortable with the money for it going anywhere except into an old white billionaires pocket.

I'm sure there's nothing to unpack there.

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hesusingthespiritbomb 1 point 3 years ago

Nah the old white billionaire will be replaced by AI too.

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FarceMultiplier 1 point 3 years ago

There's always 'self'.

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shami 2 points 3 years ago

Technically if you're versed enough then you can already do that but takes some effort

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sramder 31 points 3 years ago

People who insist on real flesh porn will ultimately be viewed as weirdo’s out of touch with reality like people who insist everything sounds better on vinyl.

Fast forward 25 years past the first Ai war and a ragged but triumphant humanity must rediscover the lost art of waxing.

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Piecemakers3Dprints 7 points 3 years ago
  1. Have you seen Demolition Man?

And, 2. Ew. 😅

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Cracks_InTheWalls 4 points 3 years ago

"You mean ... fluid transfer?!" 🤮

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Harpsist 1 point 3 years ago

Why would I want to encourage the flesh trade where real women are hurt? And are limited to what humans are physically capable of?

When I can have AI generated people who are able to do anything imaginable and no one gets hurt?

They'll be arguments that 'once people get used to the fantasies they'll want to try it in real life' but we all know that that just isn't true fr 40 years of video games. There hasn't been any uptick in the events of people eating mushrooms and jumping on turtles or - what ever the fuck a goomba is -

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just_another_person 29 points 3 years ago

At what point was porn NOT graphic, but now this thing IS GRAPHIC. Are we talking all caps, or just a small difference between the live stuff and the AI shit? Inquiring minds want to know.

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qyron 1 point 3 years ago
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randon31415 20 points 3 years ago

When I first heard Stable Diffusion was going open source, I knew this would happen. The only thing I'm surprised at is that it took almost 2 years.

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lloram239 9 points 3 years ago
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cley_faye 20 points 3 years ago

"Are we ready", in the sense that for now it's 95% garbage and 5% completely generic but passable looking stuff? Eh.

But, as this will increase in quality, the answer would be… who cares. It would suffer from the same major issues of large models : sourcing data, and how we decide the rights of the output. As for it being porn… maybe there's no point in focusing on that specific issue.

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AzureRT 17 points 3 years ago

Not sure how people will be so into this shit. It's all so generic looking

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BreakDecks 26 points 3 years ago

The actual scary use case for AI porn is that if you can get 50 or more photos of the same person's face (almost anyone with an Instagram account), you can train your own LoRA model to generate believable images of them, which means you can now make "generic looking" porn with pretty much any person you want to see in it. Basically the modern equivalent of gluing cutouts of your crush's face onto the Playboy centerfold, only with automated distribution over the Internet...

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lloram239 20 points 3 years ago
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pinkdrunkenelephants 4 points 3 years ago
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hyperhopper 7 points 3 years ago

People will have to learn to stop believing everything they see. This has been possible with Photoshop for even more than a decade now. All that's changed is that it takes less skill and time now.

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Silinde 4 points 3 years ago

Because that's called Libel and is very much illegal in practically any country on earth - and depending on the country it's either easy or trivial to put forth and win a case of libel in court, since it's the onus of the defendant to prove what they said was entirely true, and "just trust me and this actress I hired, bro" doesn't cut it.

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Liz 4 points 3 years ago

We're going to go back to the old model of trust, before videos and photos existed. Consistent, coherent stories from sources known to be trustworthy will be key. Physical evidence will be helpful as well.

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IHaveTwoCows 3 points 3 years ago
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Psythik 12 points 3 years ago

AI is still a brand new tech. It's like getting mad at AM radio for being staticy and low quality. It'll improve with time as we get better tech.

Personally I can't wait to see what the future holds for AI porn. I'm imagining being able to get exactly what you want with a single prompt, and it looks just as real as reality. No more opening 50 tabs until you find the perfect video. Sign me the fuck up.

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severien 3 points 3 years ago

Cam girls are going to lose their jobs.

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Stumblinbear 10 points 3 years ago

There will always be a market for the "real thing"

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severien 0 points 3 years ago

Sure, but a much smaller one.

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JackbyDev 5 points 3 years ago

The article mentioned that at least one OnlyFans creator reached out to make a model of their own content and also mentioned that some OnlyFans creators outsource writers to chat with fans. I don't think this will meaningfully affect cam girls' jobs. Once we are able to make live animated images realtime with convincing speech and phrases then probably.

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CoolCat38 3 points 3 years ago

Good

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WhyDoesntThisThingWork 3 points 3 years ago
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kokesh 16 points 3 years ago

I AM!

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themeatbridge 15 points 3 years ago

Does it say something about society that our automatons are better at creating similated genitals than they are at hands?

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douglasg14b 7 points 3 years ago

It says that we are biologically predisposed to sex, which we are, like animals, which we are.

It doesn't say anything about society, it just confirms the human condition.

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themeatbridge 3 points 3 years ago

But... why are hands so difficult?

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elrik 5 points 3 years ago

I'm sure it would have the same difficulty generating five properly articulating penises attached to a limb.

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themeatbridge 4 points 3 years ago

I'll admit I have some difficulty with that concept myself.

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vaultdweller013 1 point 3 years ago

Fully Articulated Hand Penises!

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lloram239 4 points 3 years ago
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blackstampede 3 points 3 years ago

They suck quite a lot at genitals

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themeatbridge 3 points 3 years ago

Are we still doing "phrasing"?

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Bel_Shamharoth 2 points 3 years ago

Said Ripley to the android Bishop.

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Bop 2 points 3 years ago

On a visual level, we are more interested in genitals than hands? Also, faces.

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joelfromaus 12 points 3 years ago

Went and had a look and it’s some of the funniest stuff I’ve seen all day! A few images come close to realism but a lot of them are the sort AI fever dream stuff that you could not make up.

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RBWells 11 points 3 years ago

Meh. It's all only women and so samey samey. Not sexy IMO, but I don't think fake is necessarily not hot, art can be, certainly.

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Zerfallen 5 points 3 years ago

You can change it to men, but most of the results are intersex(?) or outright women anyway. I guess the training data is heavily weighted toward examples of women.

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Seudo 11 points 3 years ago

Ai has no ficks to give to people who are not ready.

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Armen12 10 points 3 years ago

AI porn for the longest time has just looked so off to me, idk what it is

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Buddahriffic 28 points 3 years ago

Some things I was able to put my finger on after looking at a bunch of the images in the feed:

  • It doesn't do skin well, treating it more like a smooth plastic than a surface with pores, wrinkles, and fine hairs.
  • It doesn't understand lighting, so shadows don't agree with highlights or even each other.
  • It doesn't understand anatomy. A lot of the images were fine in this regard but others had misplaced muscles, bones, and impossible limb positioning/truncation.
  • It has no idea how to draw vaginas. Nipples are also not well understood, though it does better on average with those. They still look more like a plastic than skin, but most of them were passable at least, while I didn't see a single vagina that looked even close to right.
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Cethin 20 points 3 years ago

To be fair, so many humans drawing porn don't understand anatomy or what vaginas look like. It's hard to train when your input data is already bad.

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Buddahriffic 7 points 3 years ago

Yeah, a lot of the vaginas on that site look like hentai vaginas. I can understand it more with AIs since vaginas have a ton of variance to them, so trying to make an "average" vagina will end up not looking like any actual one.

But the artists that draw them like that just disappoint me (though with the caveat that I have no reason to believe I'd do any better if I were to draw that). There's a ton of inspiration out there and many do an amazing job with the rest of the body, why do they make one of the important parts (for porn) look like an afterthought?

Though the anime style ones aren't as bad as some others where the AI seems like it's trying to average boy and girl parts lol.

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StopSpazzing 6 points 3 years ago

Tbh, if people don't know the difference from a vagina and a vulva, I don't expect AI to do a great job generating any good porn.

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Piecemakers3Dprints 3 points 3 years ago

To be fair, the focus of this era's porn has hardly ever been the vagina, under any amount of scrutiny. A few aspects of sex in porn prioritized higher are, in no particular order: bounce, sounds, phrasing, setting, texture, animism/passion, power roles, etc. Hell, I'd rather that more effort has been made to visually hide prophylactic use than to focus on the vagina itself.

I'm not in any way saying I agree with this, simply pointing out the facts as they are these days.

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lloram239 3 points 3 years ago
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deafboy 2 points 3 years ago

The second one is pretty good until you notice the non-euclidian nightmare doors.

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JackbyDev 2 points 3 years ago

You can do multiple subjects but you have to be more creative than just throwing a prompt into a generator. You have to be willing to do it in multiple steps with in painting.

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guyrocket 9 points 3 years ago

I am a little surprised that no one had created a site like this for child pornography.

I am not a legal expert, but my layman's understanding of Ashcroft v Free Speech Coalition https://en.wikipedia.org/... is that as long as there is no person being harmed by it CSAM is legal.

Maybe later rulings have changed this. One can hope.

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drekly 9 points 3 years ago

CivitAI is a pretty perverted site at the best of times. But there's a disturbing amount of age adjustment plugins to make images of children on the same site they have plugins to make sex acts. It's clear some people definitely are.

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beigeoat 4 points 3 years ago

Some models also prefer children for some reason and then you have to put mature/adult in positive prompt and child in negative

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lloram239 3 points 3 years ago
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inspxtr 8 points 3 years ago

I remember reading that this may be already happening to some extent, eg people sharing tips on creating it on the deep web, maybe through prompt engineer, fine tuning or pretraining.

I don’t know how those models are made, but I do wonder the ones that need retraining/finetuning by using real csam can be classified as breaking the law.

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oldGregg 0 points 3 years ago
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JackbyDev 0 points 3 years ago

If a search engine cannot index it then it is the deep web. So yes, Discord chats are technically part of the deep web.

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oldGregg 0 points 3 years ago
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Rustmilian 7 points 3 years ago
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mrnotoriousman 5 points 3 years ago

There was an article the other day about underage girls in France having AI nudes spread around based on photos as young as 12. Definitely harm there.

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Skwerls 3 points 3 years ago

Surely we should know, right? Cartoons or hentai or whatever must have gone through this at some point?

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Jesus_666 4 points 3 years ago

Typically, the laws get amended so that anything that looks like CSAM is now CSAM. Expect porn generators tuned for minor characters to get outlawed very quickly.

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ShunkW -1 points 3 years ago
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AdmiralShat 3 points 3 years ago

You haven't been to 4chan lately because that's exactly what it's being used for

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Knusper 3 points 3 years ago

Well, to develop such a service, you need training data, i.e. lots of real child pornography in your possession.

Legality for your viewers will also differ massively around the world, so your target audience may not be very big.

And you probably need investors, which likely have less risky projects to invest into.

Well, and then there's also the factor of some humans just not wanting to work on disgusting, legal grey area stuff.

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Womble 19 points 3 years ago

yup, just like the ai needed lots of pictures of astronaughts on horses to make pictures of those...

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JonEFive 6 points 3 years ago

Exactly. Some of these engines are perfectly capable of combining differing concepts. In your example, it knows basically what a horse looks like, and what a human riding on horseback looks like. It also knows that an astronaut looks very much like a human without a space suit and can put the two together.

Saying nothing of the morality, In this case, I suspect that an AI could be trained using pictures of clothed children perhaps combined with nude images of people who are of age and just are very slim or otherwise have a youthful appearance.

While I think it's repugnent in concept, I also think that for those seeking this material, I'd much rather it be AI generated than an actual exploited child. Realistically though, I doubt that this would actually have any notable impact to the prevalence of CSAM, and might even make it more accessible.

Furthermore, if the generative AI gets good enough, it could make it difficult to determine whether an image is real or AI generated. That would make it more difficult for police to find the child and offender to try to remove them from that situation. So now we need an AI to help analyze and separate the two.

Yeah... I don't like living in 2023 and things are only getting worse. I've put way more thought into this than I ever wanted to.

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Ryantific_theory 3 points 3 years ago

Aren't AI generated images pretty obvious to detect from noise analysis? I know there's no effective detection for AI generated text, and not that there won't be projects to train AI to generate perfectly realistic images, but it'll be a while before it does fingers right, let alone invisible pixel artifacts.

As a counterpoint, won't the prevalence of AI generated CSAM collapse the organized abuse groups, since they rely on the funding from pedos? If genuine abuse material is swamped out by AI generated imagery, that would effectively collapse an entire dark web market. Not that it would end abuse, but it would at least undercut the financial motive, which is progress.

That's pretty good for 2023.

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d13 5 points 3 years ago

Unfortunately, no, you just need training data on children in general and training data with legal porn, and these tools can combine it.

It's already being done, which is disgusting but not surprising.

People have worried about this for a long time. I remember a subplot of a sci-fi series that got into this. (I think it was The Lost Fleet, 15 years ago).

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mojo 1 point 3 years ago

You'd also have to convince them that it's not real. It'll probably end up creating laws tbh. Then there are weird things like Japan where lolis are legal, but uncensored genitals aren't, even drawn.

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JackbyDev 1 point 3 years ago

I'm sure they're out there on the deep web.

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sentinelthesalty 8 points 3 years ago

Fuck yeah!

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Seraph 7 points 3 years ago

While amazing, most of these are hilariously wrong. Let's just say the girl with 4 bellybuttons was the more tame incorrect thing I saw.

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jiggle 6 points 3 years ago

PixAI is better than pornpen IMO

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IHaveTwoCows 2 points 3 years ago
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GreenMario 6 points 3 years ago

There's a sub in lemmynsfw for it so post away there.

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BlueEther 6 points 3 years ago

No, I'm not ready for this one: KC7ROYwDs2lwWwnSz1Ds

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mwguy 0 points 3 years ago

This is like a Trainwreck. I can't look away!

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mojo 5 points 3 years ago

Eh it's still very obvious.

I predict that small imperfections will get even hotter as time goes by

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alhazen02 4 points 3 years ago

Where is ai link :d

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AceFuzzLord 4 points 3 years ago

Whelp it's all humans being generated, so I'm safe. Realistic enough looking humans ain't my jam.

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ChonkyOwlbear 4 points 3 years ago

The blowjob section on the site is fascinating. So many pictures of women with dicks growing out of them.

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neintynein 1 point 3 years ago

Yup. First one genuinely startled me

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danhab99 4 points 3 years ago

Slip and slide right into CP

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McWolke 4 points 3 years ago

That's already happening

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alienanimals 2 points 3 years ago path: 0 3721437, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 13
PipedLinkBot 2 points 3 years ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

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octoperson 12 points 3 years ago path: 0 3721437 3721439 3721541, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 1
kavin 1 point 3 years ago

Should be fixed, I pushed a fix yesterday! :)

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Magnergy 12 points 3 years ago

Are We Ready For This Site's Endless Feed of AI-Generated Piped Links?

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fubo 0 points 3 years ago

ARMM ARMM ARMM ...

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PipedLinkBot 0 points 3 years ago

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PipedLinkBot 0 points 3 years ago

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Iwasondigg 1 point 3 years ago

[spongebob_voice]III'm ready!

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Harpsist 1 point 3 years ago

I have been waiting this day for decades ever since I first heard about AI generated images a decade or so ago.

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JorgeLC 1 point 2 years ago

Depends on the site to be honest. As long as no real people or minors are being exploited it's OK. Pornpen is decent but I prefer createporn just because I have more options in terms of art styles.

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joel1974 0 points 3 years ago
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JackbyDev 12 points 3 years ago

That's very wishful thinking, I'm afraid.

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Cool_Name 5 points 3 years ago

Reduced, maybe, but I don't think it will impact things significantly. The types of people who participate in that do not want an alternative because they do it because they want to hurt and abuse a real person. They want to have power over another human being and make them suffer. An endless stream of porn isn't going to fix that sickness.

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Pratai -1 points 3 years ago
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DaBabyAteMaDingo -5 points 3 years ago

Super hot and spicy take incoming: AI will be able to make very realistic child porn and we might actually see huge drop in sexual child abuse.

I hate to even type that sentence, btw.

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Zikeji 12 points 3 years ago

It already is being used to make CSAM. I work for a hosting provider and just the other day we closed an account because they were intentionally hosting AI generated CSAM.

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pinkdrunkenelephants 10 points 3 years ago
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DaBabyAteMaDingo -1 points 3 years ago

Can I ask why AI generated media is considered CSAM if there are no victims? I don't like furry porn but it's not beastiality. I don't like loli shit but it's not CP (well technically it is but it's not real kids is my point). How is it any different?

Is it gross? Obviously, but I'm biased as I don't like kiddie shit but no one is getting hurt and if it helps reduce sexual abuse cases against kids, why wouldn't you be in favor of it?

I don't understand how this is unreasonable. If AI generated CP increased the stats of kids being harmed then I'd be vehemently opposed. I know it's a touchy subject but you can't just write it off if it works for the greater good, no?

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Zikeji 4 points 3 years ago

The report came from a (non-US) government agency. It wasn't reported as AI generated, that was what we discovered.

But it highlights the reality - while AI generated content may be considered fairly obvious for now, it won't be forever. Real CSAM could be mixed in at some point, or, hell, the characters generating it could be feeding it real CSAM to have it recreate it in a manner that makes it harder to detect.

So what does this mean for hosting providers? We continuously receive reports for a client and each time we have to review it and what, use our best judgement to decide if it's AI generated? We add the client to a list and ignore CSAM reports for them? We have to tell the government that it's not "real CSAM" and expect it to end there?

No legitimate hosting provider is going to knowingly host CSAM, AI generated or not. We aren't going to invest legal resources into defending that, nor are we going to jeopardize the mental well-being of our staff by increasing the frequency of those reports.

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DaBabyAteMaDingo -2 points 3 years ago

But it highlights the reality - while AI generated content may be considered fairly obvious for now, it won't be forever. Real CSAM could be mixed in at some point, or, hell, the characters generating it could be feeding it real CSAM to have it recreate it in a manner that makes it harder to detect.

Very true and I would like to look into it further. Being able to disguise real content with an AI label could make things harder for people that detect and report these types of issues.

So what does this mean for hosting providers? We continuously receive reports for a client and each time we have to review it and what, use our best judgement to decide if it's AI generated? We add the client to a list and ignore CSAM reports for them? We have to tell the government that it's not "real CSAM" and expect it to end there?

I don't understand the logic behind this. If it's your job to analyze and deduce whether certain content is or is not acceptable, why shouldn't you make assessments on a case by case basis? Even if you remove CSAM from the equation you still have to continuously sift through content and report any and all illegal activities - regardless of its frequency.

No legitimate hosting provider is going to knowingly host CSAM, AI generated or not. We aren't going to invest legal resources into defending that, nor are we going to jeopardize the mental well-being of our staff by increasing the frequency of those reports.

And it's the right of any website or hosting provider to not show any content they deem unsuitable for it's viewers. But this is a non sequitur - illegal activities will never stop and it's the duty of people like you to help and combat the distribution of such materials. I appreciate all the work people like you do and it's a job I couldn't handle. CP exists and will continue to exist. It's just an ugly truth. I'm just asking a very uncomfortable question that will hopefully result in a very positive answer: can AI generated CP reduce the harm done to children?

Here's a very interesting article of the potential positive effects of AI generated CP

Btw I appreciate your input in all of this. It means a lot coming from someone actually involved with this sort of thing.

Edit: and to your point, the article ends with a very real warning:

"Of course, using AI-generated images as a form of rehabilitation, alongside existing forms of therapy and treatment, is not the same as allowing its unbridled proliferation on the web.

“There’s a world of difference between the potential use of this content in controlled psychiatric settings versus what we’re describing here, which is just, anybody can access these tools to create anything that they want in any setting,” said Portnoff, from Thorn."

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pinkdrunkenelephants 1 point 3 years ago
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lightnsfw 5 points 3 years ago

Nah, just hook it up to some predator drones and build a pedo hunting skynet.

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DaBabyAteMaDingo -5 points 3 years ago

No one is butthurt. I have no interest in CP (thank fucking god) but if it means people get their rocks off at home without *hurting any kids then I'm all for it.

What's interesting is you have a strong disdain for fake porn but no real argument against it other than "heeeyuck kiddy porn bad aaahheeeyuuck". 😂

Edit: no real arguments and just downvotes? Seems like a typical facts vs feelings argument ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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pinkdrunkenelephants 4 points 3 years ago
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DaBabyAteMaDingo -2 points 3 years ago

Did you make that for me?

I'm actually flattered! 😂

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DaBabyAteMaDingo -7 points 3 years ago

Why's that? There are no children being hurt.

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crackajack -1 points 3 years ago

It's actually not totally different to Germany's already existing approach. Germany treat pedophiles in their centres and allow sexual offenders to watch "child porn" but with actors who look underage. I don't know if the approach works but it is something I just heard about.

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DaBabyAteMaDingo -1 points 3 years ago

Funny how just bringing up a solution that, although uncomfortable, reduces the cases of sexual abuse against kids without any victims gets you branded as a pedo.

I just want kids to stop getting abused lol

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magnetosphere -19 points 3 years ago

I think words like “thirsty” and “thirst trap” are self defeating. Actual thirst is your body’s biological response to a need for water. Without water, you’ll die. Calling porn sites “thirst traps” suggests that people have a critical need for porn - which is often contrary to the point the author is trying to make.

Arguing about the ethics or morality of something that’s “necessary” for survival is irrelevant. Anyone who’s against pornography is perfectly within their rights to share their opinion, but they should avoid the word “thirst”.

Edit: I know the issue of pornography can evoke strong feelings in some, but I’m only talking about word choice, folks.

I’m also not one of those tiresome people people who refuses to admit that they’re wrong, and acts like a child when faced with sound opposition. If someone would actually put their opinion into words, instead of just downvoting, I’d appreciate it.

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MindSkipperBro12 11 points 3 years ago

Man, you really do sound like a redditor.

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magnetosphere -11 points 3 years ago

A redditor would try to hide their gross opinion behind a thin veneer of logic. I’m not getting into the ethics of porn at all.

I’m just talking about phrasing. I think “thirst” is a poor analogy.

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JackbyDev 2 points 3 years ago

I think words like “thirsty” and “thirst trap” are self defeating. Actual thirst is your body’s biological response to a need for water. Without water, you’ll die. Calling porn sites “thirst traps” suggests that people have a critical need for porn - which is often contrary to the point the author is trying to make.

a thin veneer of logic

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pinkdrunkenelephants -1 points 3 years ago
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pontiffkitchen0 11 points 3 years ago path: 0 3721287 3726733, hotness: undefined, score: 11, children: 0
stopthatgirl7 8 points 3 years ago

Dude, what

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magnetosphere -11 points 3 years ago

I just think the word “thirst” is a bad choice, that’s all.

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tetris11 4 points 3 years ago

This is a good hill to die on, and I applaud you for it.
*stabs him*

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magnetosphere -2 points 3 years ago

Lol read the reply from @Ropianos. It’s good.

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Ropianos 3 points 3 years ago

Consider another association with thirst: Desperation. In the mind of the author porn consumption is negative so anyone consuming porn is doing this out of desperation, despite knowing better. It essentially describes people being controlled by their base instincts. And thus this site is a trap, luring people against their will.

That is how I would interpret the word thirst in this context anyway. It's not about a critical need, it's about thirst being irrational and highly compulsive.

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magnetosphere 2 points 3 years ago

Awesome! Thank you! This is the kind of thought provoking response I was hoping for.

Additionally, it’s a really good point. I totally missed this interpretation, and I think it’s better than mine.

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JackbyDev 0 points 3 years ago

That's hardly even an interpretation. Thirst and hunger as verbs have always meant to desire something.

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Ropianos 0 points 3 years ago

Sure, no worries! I haven't been disappointed yet by responding to downvoted comments so I will keep doing it :)

Just another similar metaphor: Power hungry. Not the stove kind but the dictator kind. To be honest, there are quite a lot of body related metaphors, e.g. drowning in trouble, blinded by ambition. I guess it comes down to evoking some strong emotion.

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magnetosphere 0 points 3 years ago

I think a lot of people (myself included) are used to the combative, hostile environment of reddit. An actual friendly disagreement is a foreign concept to them. Personally, I enjoy it when other people present different perspectives. It’s both interesting and a great way to learn.

And yeah, “power hungry” has a similar vibe. Nice!

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JackbyDev 1 point 3 years ago

It's slang. There are tons of words in every language that don't make sense but get used a certain way because that's how people use them. Next thing you're gonna tell me is that in the 1980s when people called things bad you were upset because they actually meant good.

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glad_cat -25 points 3 years ago

There's also the fact that not all porn is exploitative

Make up your mind. Last week every porn was exploitative because reasons, and not it’s not because people could lose their job.

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ech 53 points 3 years ago

Little known fact - there's more the one person out there, and, those extra people have lots of differing opinions!

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collegefurtrader 17 points 3 years ago

Impossible!

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WhyDoesntThisThingWork 0 points 3 years ago
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glad_cat -16 points 3 years ago

Then why do they say it’s a fact?

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Potatos_are_not_friends 20 points 3 years ago

"You can say anything on the internet." -Genghis Khan

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averagedrunk 3 points 3 years ago

"You can't just go on the internet and lie." -Kublai Kahn

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4am 10 points 3 years ago

Because it is a fact, and anyone who says “all porn is exploitive” is projecting their morals and idealism across a whole industry with zero regard for nuance.

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