Senator Dianne Feinstein's career was filled with firsts, including first woman mayor of San Francisco and one of two of the first women elected to the U.S. Senate from California.
Senator Dianne Feinstein's career was filled with firsts, including first woman mayor of San Francisco and one of two of the first women elected to the U.S. Senate from California.
The woman was literally older than the Golden Gate Bridge
I was about to mock you for being hyperbolic but then looked it up. She was born a few months after construction started in 1933, and the bridge opened in 1937. So she was literally older than the bridge.
Only five years younger than sliced bread.
betty white was older than sliced bread
I don’t understand why not retire. She held on to that seat till the bitter end, for what?
She could have had time with her family and we could have had a seamless replacement. Instead, she got to die at work (basically) and there is a hole in representation right as the government is about to shut down.
I wonder how this will impact the gov shutdown results
I don't think she had full control of her faculties near the end. Her handlers and power of attorney should have forced her to retire but they didn't.
Yeah, she's been clearly a barely functioning wreck, propped up by people who needed her power. It was quite sad.
The party wanted it controlled, prop her up till a moderate could be appointed, because a progressive can win Cali.
Yeah, because Gavin Newsome is such a conservative
This is the DNC we're talking about. They don't want folk too progressive. They want neoliberal moderates.
For Cali?
Yeah...
But regardless, the best thing for Cali that she's gone, is they get a fucking choice in who replaces her. The party "picking" someone to hold that seat for the next couple decades and be more Conservative than Cali voters should be an obvious problem.
But for some reason I doubt anyone will be able to explain that to you in a way you understand...
Her handlers were enjoying making all the decisions and running her Senate office for her, wheeling her around and playing weekend at Bernie's. I'd say it was abuse but tbh it's what she deserved and probably what she wanted anyway.
Nancy Pelosi wants someone to replace her, Gavin Newsom wants someone else. Nancy Pelosi wanted her to stay in office until the next election.
It's all just a game to these kinds of people.
Newsom has been clear that he's appointing someone as a placeholder so as not to interfere in next year's Senate race by giving one of the actual contenders (Schiff, Porter, or Lee) the advantage of incumbency. But I'm sure that Nancy Pelosi, being Nancy Pelosi, would prefer the Party put their finger on the scale for the candidate leadership wants (which is probably 77 year-old Barabra Lee)
Schiff, Porter, or Lee
Aren't they all in the House right now? Appointing one of them is a mixed bag, because it also leaves their House seat vacant until a special election is held, and Democrats need every vote they can get there. House seats can't be filled with temporary appointments like Senate seats can.
Pelosi wants Adam Schiff. Newsom stated he wants a black woman (bc ofc he cares about identity politics) in the interim, likely Lee. Pelosi doesn't want Lee since she's more progressive than Schiff.
The temporary choice will have a massive leg up as an incumbent in the next election.
He wants a black woman in the seat because despite making up 15% of the population, there are zero black women in the senate. Why wouldn't they deserve representation in our senate?
They didn't want to lose her seat on the judiciary committee. Even if they had to tell her how to vote.
Senators don't work that much. She had plenty of time with her family. She didn't retire because she made lots of money being a centrist senator in a safe seat with enough seniority to do whatever she wanted.
This won't impact the shutdown at all, since the House republicans want a shutdown.
Now Newsom will appoint a moderate black woman who will provide the optics without causing chaos. You might think that sounds cynical, but that's exactly what Newsom already promised to do.
Spend time with her family? Senators don't work as it is
Because of her senority, she was one of the leaders of the party. I agree these elderly politicians need to retire, but that means at best they get replaced by a freshman senator of the same party with no political power. It's the same reason why McConnell hasn't retired even though he can't finish a speech without zonking out and being whisked away by his handlers.
You mention family and smoother governance, but to some people their work connections are more important to them than their families and she could have thought that resigning would have been less smooth than trying to finish out the term.
Those things are possible, but I really think that her identity was being a senator and she didn't want to give that up.
...her identity was being a senator and she didn't want to give that up.
Fuck her then. It's the US Senate, not daddy's law firm. No one should be in the Senate just because it makes them feel important. The job is too important for that.
Power. That's why.
Sorry, to be callous, but good riddance. You should hear what Jello Biafra has to say about the time Feinstein was Mayor of San Francisco:
Jello Biafra: Quentin Kopp was actually very jovial, friendly, kind of a character. He and Feinstein had been on the Board Of Supervisors, but when George Moscone and Harvey Milk were assassinated Feinstein was appointed as Acting Mayor. She ran the city with an iron fist, and the police were completely out of control, which she seemed to get off on. I have never been very fond of her, and any grief I can cause that creature, I’m happy to oblige. But that wasn’t why I ran for Mayor. It was more like: wouldn’t this be a great prank?
Jello Biafra: I had some pretty interesting proposals. Making businessmen wear clown suits was the one the media seized on, but there was a lot more to it than they realised. It was my response to Frankenfeinstein [Feinstein] saying she was going to “clean up” Market Street, by which she meant throwing the homeless out of all the vacant buildings.
https://www.loudersound.com/...
In another occasion, he called her the most evil person he'd ever met.
Here's a video of her arguing with children about climate change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu-VzZ45MwI
Governments across the world need to effectively age down. It's ridiculous that those old clowns who aren't even affected by the consequences of their actions can just continue to do this shit. Yeah, they get voted in, but that's because of the aging populations of so many countries being such a majority while most of those who are going to be affected don't even have a legal say in the matter, since they can't vote themselves. Millennials got already fucked over repeatedly through politics in the past decades and now Gen Z has to face the same bullshit. People will just further radicalize if they don't address this.

She's arguing with children about a piece of legislation, not climate change. I'm also arguing with children.
"Sweetheart, you're obviously sharp, so you should learn this early: you're being used as a political tool"
Remember that time she gave away a vital clues in the Richard Ramirez case and possibly extended his serial killing career?
I literally came back to this thread to post Jello's take!
I can't remember which spoken word album he talks about his mayoral campaign on, but it is so much fun.
Thank you. I'm going to have to dig up a copy. I haven't heard any of his spoken word albums in literally decades. Still listen to DK all the time though.
We need a complete overhaul of our political party system.
Both parties decided that seniority = power, and if you'll always have more next year, it's never a good time to step aside.
With a "bonus" that younger generations never get the experience till they're also old as shit. The parties have no reason to change, because they're ran by the most senior people.
Parties have far too much influence considering they're not officially part of the government. And the current state of shit is why a lot of founding fathers were against them. I think Jefferson or Franklin wanted to explicitly forbade them
I think the reason why US went with officials can still "serve" even dead is to avoid political killings (or to avoid a loophole in "justice system", just like mitch mcconnell who is probably acting having a seizure on his live speeches to avoid heavy charges because he knows the fed knows he has a huge role with trump shenanigans annnnnd unfortunately, it is challenging to press charges against persons who has "mental" illness and stroke can be considered as one).
Her and RGB staying on too long, very iconic.
RGB stays on forever, or else the hardware isn't cool anymore
Future President Elizabeth Warren
Can we get some of the clipart Style with the glossy glass rounded rectangle
And what a timeline we live in, when Mitt Romney gets commended for not being a total piece of shit.
Truly an icon. And not only for women, but for everyone that overstays their welcome.
Feinstein dies in office, Carter enters month 9 of hospice surrounded by family. I know which way I would want.
My dad always said Jimmy Carter was too good of a man to be president
How so? He had a Democratic majority in Congress his entire term. Filibuster wasn't as widespread as it is now.
He micromanaged his staff, and never got a good grip on the sausage making process in Washington. He was also more in bed with Evangelicals than people notice today. His sister is a pretty big reason why Evangelicals are so politically active these days.
He's a pretty great human being all round. He sucked as President, and it has little to do with the GOP.
Just look at Trump from 2015 to now for an example of this.
All you have to do is look up an interview with him in the early 2000s. He was still a self absorbed asshole, but at least he could form complete sentences.
This is my grandma. She got tested a few years ago, but refused to tell anyone the results. It's so sad. Now then though my mom wants to move she's stuck taking care of her and grandpa.
Watching my parents age, now into their 80s, they're only just now starting to admit that, maybe, they're not as smart, agile, and capable as ever. Chronic kidney disease, COPD, metastatic cancers.... No blatant signs of dementia, but it's a struggle to explain new concepts or devices to them. I think it's just hard for people who've been strong, independent people all their lives to accommodate a world in which they can't carry 25 pounds or deviate from habits engrained over 20 years. It's got to be even harder for a politician or oligarch surrounded by sycophants. Harder still when the brain loses its capacity for logic.
Aging sucks.. that's why I plan to Kurt Cobain at 50. There is nothing good about being old. Only the healthcare Oligarchs benefit.
50's fine, as long as you haven't really abused your body or lost the health lottery. Can't speak from experience, but 60 looks OK for the most part, although you'll probably learn your doctor's name around then. 70 is my current schedule.
I know you didn't mean it to be funny but I got a chuckle at that image.
I was trying to think, what legacy? The only policy I can ever recall is a bunch of failed gun control bills.
Oh, her being adversarial with progressives was pretty well-known. Not the legacy I'd want.
last of a dinosaur, i didn't realize there were any non-progressives left in the DNC.
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Wut
Her legacy is warmongering, supporting the NSA, and anti-working-class policies
the American mantra
This just in: It appears that while Laying in State, the deceased senator was seen rising from her coffin and returning to her seat. Sources in her office say this is a sign she has successfully completed her ritual to transform herself into a Lich.
Per congressional bylaws, the only one who can permanently destroy the phylactery is the Sergeant at Arms of the House of Representatives, wielding the Mace of the Republic.
Thank you for teaching me something really cool today!
Finally retired, bitch.
Agreed, there's so need to make such comments.
She was incoherent while "working" just a few weeks ago if that. The video was online.
Maybe she could have been an icon. But instead her legacy is that of a greedy asshole who made shady stock deals and held her political power far too long - to the detriment of her constituents.
Way to die on n office. Straight up Ruth Bader Ginsburg-ed that shit.
I mean, Supreme Court appointments are for life, what RBG did was not at all unusual. Age is also not nearly as much of problem on the court, because the whole point of it is to be stable, not rotating constantly like Congress.
It's that she didn't retire during Obama's tenure when she could be safely replaced by someone other than a white male rapist that people generally criticized, not that she served on the court until death.
You are correct. My main concern is that this is contributing to the overall concern with voters that our aging political figures are holding onto their stations of power to the bitter end.
She was a slightly left of center moderate dem, and for better or worse modern-day America is highly polarized politically. So she was out-of-step politically with both right and left. Her legacy was already in the dumpster. Going out like this just ensures that this is what she'll be remembered for.
I assumed it would be a little like New York’s junior senator, Kirsten Gillibrand? She was someone most New Yorkers had never heard of, but when Senator Hillary Clinton vacated the seat, Gillibrand was assigned to it by then-governor and thus has never, and will never, run in a competitive election.
No, Newsom has said two things about the appointment: It's going to be a black woman and it's going to be someone intended to be a placeholder so as not to advantage one of the actual contenders (Schiff, Porter, or Lee) with incumbency.
I think the term of art he choose was "caretaker" come to think of it. But hell, they get to be a Senator for a year, something that they probably never would have gotten the chance to do otherwise. And it's voluntary, of course, if someone doesn't want the job temporarily they're free to turn it down.
Right. Whichever centrist he appoints is gonna decide they want to keep the seat, and the party protects incumbents from progressives challengers.
I thought you were going to talk about when Clinton wanted that seat so the party wouldn't let any serious competitor run...
The people running the parties in America don't seem overly concerned with democracy or voters getting choices
Does this mean we could finally have a representative under the age of 1000? No we’re just going to elect another dinosaur that thinks homes still cost a nickel? … okay
apparently the leading bet for a replacement is only 77.
The front runners in the primary are Katie Porter (49), Adam Schiff (63), and Barbara Lee (77). All three are currently in the house of representatives.
So long as people retire when they start to go downhill mentally, peoples positions are much more important than their age. Most progressives would much rather have President Bernie (82) than President Tulsi Gabbard (42).
Lee has been pretty consistently progressive. She was the only vote against the authorization of force after the September 11th attacks, she was a founding member of the congressional LGBTQ+ equality caucus, and volunteered with the Black Panther Party’s Community Learning Center in Oakland as a teen. She's one of the most progressive Democrats in the House.
So California's death spiral will continue uninterrupted. Thank the founding fathers for the electoral college!
Turtle next please.
Then Kissinger
Both of them at the same time, right now.
Pretty sure neither Perjury Greene nor Gaetz are senators..
She promised to serve out her term! yet another politician breaking promises. SMDH
So has she finally retired from Congress?
Because with how adamant she was at staying in her seat despite being unable to do the job, I would not be surprised if they tried to go full Weekend at Bernie's here.
The insider trader that made Democrats look bad is finally gone. It's about time.
This one anyway.
There's Nancy Pelosi, there is a managed ETF that actively matches her investments. It's ticker is NANC
Pelosi isn't the only politician breaking the law for her own gain. Feinstein gave her husband insider tips.
Oh they are all dirty as far as i'm concerned. That's why laws preventing it never go anywhere no matter who is in charge.
Let's not jump to conclusions. They could totally "Weekend at Bernie's" this for a while.
The Lich is dead.
I kind of wish it was at least normative to groom your successor and bow out if you're a ground-breaking leader as you advance in age
I especially wish that was the sort of thing had been the case with (for example) RBG because let's face it, it really hurt us for her seat to go to ACB
Everyone is like, she should’ve retired… But WHY!? People kept voting her in, she has all this power, all this money/control, top of the line health care, etc., etc. Who would ever leave that!? Unless you’re not a psychopath narcissist after knowing how freaking different the “1%” live?
Same thing with RBG.
Only thing that will change are the rules. And good luck with that…
They're probably great considering she had nothing to do with them.
Spolt little shits probably.
They only said they'd do that if she took a leave of absence. The next 4 oldest Senators are Grassley (90) - who's on Judiciary, Bernie (82), McConnell (81), and Risch (80 - Republican from Idaho); if they start playing the "no committee replacements for dead senators" game it's likely to come back and bite them in the ass very quickly.
Who wants to bet they'll do it anyway and see absolutely zero consequences?
Schumer and Biden will both say they can't believe it, then 10 seconds later go back to calling Republicans their best friends and bending over backwards for them
I would bet against you however I would lose.
They very well might, but Biden has already had 3 years of appointing judges, and he's already gotten probably the only Supreme Court appointment he's going to get for this term. Refusing to let them replace Feinstein now gains them little - maybe a couple of extra unfilled district court slots - while if a Republican wins the White House and then Grassley dies in 2025/2026, the consequences for Republican judicial confirmations could be catastrophic.
Someone who wanted exactly this to happen.
There will be a power vacuum on several committees in the Senate, and they probably have already written their editorials criticizing Newsom's choice as a replacement Senator, they are just waiting to fill in the name.
Fuck off, that shit is old as hell
No democrat hated Feinstein because she was a woman, pretending that's the only reason just makes you look like your completely ignorant of American politics.
Women can be assholes just like men can be.
Refusing to admit that is what's sexist, not mentioning a specific woman is an asshole
What bizarre white-knighting.
It could just be that an abhorrent politician has earned her reputation by her own merit rather than by gender.
Bruh, her family was the ones who should have explained why she should retire over a decade ago...
I don't feel sorry for them at all, they're probably the only ones who could have talked sense into her
Legend at gatekeeping. Good riddance loser.
Dianne Feinstein dies at age 90
Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Reminds me of someone else:
BREAKING! Ruth Ginsburg R.I.P. Democrats Posturing Begins!
Ginsburg was worse; Feinstein at least was doing this in a situation where if she did keel over, a Democratic governor would replace her with somebody whose politics were broadly similar to her own, but Ginsburg knew perfectly well that her replacement might undo everything she accomplished and she refused to retire despite that.
She's always been part of the problem.
Yea, I 100% agree.
I agree, with your agreement!
Yes, you are right!
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Not to celebrate her death, but fucking finally. The woman was literally older than the Golden Gate Bridge and had no business being in government at her age. She should've retired with some dignity decades ago.
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