For some reason, I'm doubtful.

3 years ago by Flying Squid to c/lemmyshitpost

MeatsOfRage 205 points 3 years ago

For context, the emachines "never obsolete" wasn't referring to this computer, it was a recycling program where you could send your old machine back and get a huge discount on your next one. It was actually a pretty good deal at the time, especially when your average family machine was a lot more expensive than they are today

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FlexibleToast 6 points 3 years ago

There were a couple of companies that tried programs like this. PeoplePC was another similar program. You would pay for their services and they would lease you a computer every 3 years.

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CoderKat 5 points 3 years ago

I wonder how much of a discount OP can get when they send their machine back?

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jarfil 4 points 3 years ago

If it's in perfect condition, and they valued it based on second hand retrocomputing market prices... probably a nice chunk of cash.

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insomniac 1 point 3 years ago

These aren’t super valuable. You can get them for about 200-250 bucks.

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umbrella 0 points 3 years ago
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son_named_bort 116 points 3 years ago

Wow, that computer can run Windows 98? Here I am on Windows 11, not realizing that I'm 87 versions behind.

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parpol 59 points 3 years ago
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cone_zombie 17 points 3 years ago

And added the pipes screensaver

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Diplomjodler 17 points 3 years ago

That's going to be a long update.

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TacoThrash3r 0 points 3 years ago

F

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SuperIce 93 points 3 years ago

You conveniently blocked the part of the sticker saying what they mean by "never obsolete" with the red circle. IIRC, they gave you a massive discount to trade in your computer every 2 years for the latest model, so you were always up to date. Kinda like phones now.

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Patrizsche 16 points 3 years ago

I guess it's just a shit post idk

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SaakoPaahtaa 9 points 3 years ago

On lemmy?

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ShustOne 12 points 3 years ago

Exactly. It was also that trade in program that was their undoing.

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Potatos_are_not_friends 3 points 3 years ago

Every "trade in and get the latest" has always failed imo.

Either the company ends up being bankrupt. Or the company realizes they really f'd up and the upgrade ends up costing more than had I just bought it flat out on sale.

Source:

I was part of a few of them over the last 10 years. Phones. Tablets. Laptops. Tvs. I did it because I always thought this time, it'll work out.

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thisisnotgoingwell 11 points 3 years ago

Totally useless red circle too. I guess it was intentionally drawn to obscure the context

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samus12345 2 points 3 years ago

Still a total lie to say that this computer is never obsolete.

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Knightfox 61 points 3 years ago

What do you mean, this bad boy is probably powering a semi-critical government system somewhere, definitely not obsolete.

Edit: not even joking or shitting on it, there's probably a proprietary software system out there somewhere that a contractor was paid to build ages ago. The contractor is out of business or doesn't support it anymore, but it works perfectly in its one little spot. Also an update is gonna cost a quarter of a million dollars.

I've seen disk chart meters at facilities that are 40+ years old and need a new disk chart every so often. You could replace it with a digital meter, but that won't integrate with the rest of the control panel and a third party took over production of the disks 15 years ago. The system works great and it's unlikely to be updated unless they stop making the disk charts.

Edit 2: the correct term is circular chart recorder

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SomeAmateur 7 points 3 years ago

There are some data recording systems on planes designed in the 90s that still use the original designs. Memory cards that are as big as your hand and only hold megabytes worth of data.

Upgrading would be fairly simple in theory, but getting anything approved to be used on an aircraft is an expensive pain in the ass so they don't want to go through that. They don't need any more storage capacity either.

So somewhere out there some companies are making these now ancient parts for now ancient systems, and probably making a killing because nobody else makes them.

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HowManyNimons 5 points 3 years ago

I know for a fact that many hospitals are still running 1970s COBOL on beige servers in the corners of basements that have been taken over by ICU wards. Because I has to maintain that shit amongst the dying. Weird job.

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Cihta 3 points 3 years ago

I made so much money on this kinda stuff. And even after all updated they still kept those damn chart recorders. Luckily they were standalone and I guess easier than hitting print.

And most of you would be terrified if you knew what they were manufacturing. Ignorance is bliss, trust.

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Colorcodedresistor 2 points 3 years ago
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Cihta -5 points 3 years ago

Why did you have to bring attitude into it?

There are components of various flying machines that are critical and must be made at certain temp and humidity. Else they are out of spec. That's pretty much it. The people in charge of this are less thorough than you'd like.

Be nicer.

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Colorcodedresistor 4 points 3 years ago
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Zhao 3 points 3 years ago

I had almost this exact scenario happen with a CNC machine for a very old but profitable niche company. Pain in my ass.

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Cihta 1 point 3 years ago

I don't know if it's still there but I once did some work getting a plasma cutter back to operational. OS/2. Not even warp!

Oh it's a pretty solid OS but i mean, damn.

Parallel port hardware key and everything. I do believe in keeping what works working but at some point you gotta let go because you run out of people that can solve problems with it.

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WashedOver 1 point 3 years ago

Seems like this issue is across a few different industries. I had two CnC machine running software on old PC's with special cards to interface with the drives. One was running in a Dos box while the other was running windows XP. We could never afford any down time so it was fine some old PC's that can still run this stuff.

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NoSpiritAnimal 3 points 3 years ago

See also: Pennsylvania State Emissions Testing System

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SkidFace 1 point 3 years ago
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Colour_me_triggered 45 points 3 years ago
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SapphironZA 20 points 3 years ago

That's why we called them stiffy drives. It's the 5.25inch disks that were floppy.

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Kolanaki 11 points 3 years ago

5.25 inches floppy, but 3.5 inches when hard. Hmm 🤔

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WhiskyTangoFoxtrot 6 points 3 years ago

Water-cooling?

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FakinUpCountryDegen 40 points 3 years ago

God,the number of these I sold at Best buy....rolling my eyes the entire time...and making absolutely sure the customer understood exactly what that phrase meant in this ultra-scammy context...

Ended up not being able to handle that job. Something about literally full-time debunking of lies printed on everything in sight was exhausting for me.

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LukeMedia 6 points 3 years ago

How were they trying to justify that statement?

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rmuk 26 points 3 years ago

You bought the computer and paid a subscription to be able to replace the computer with a new one every year or two.

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LukeMedia 0 points 3 years ago
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Psythik 10 points 3 years ago

It actually was a good concept cause you'd get a massive discount on a new PC by signing up for the subscription program. The only thing "scummy" about it was the way it was marketed.

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scottywh 3 points 3 years ago

I sold a bunch of them used... Lol...

They were basically obsolete the minute they were shipped to stores with the shitty Celeron CPUs, virtually no RAM, and tiny hard drives but people still bought them from me a year later for too much money.

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Imgonnatrythis 33 points 3 years ago

Cmon that thing will run Linux like a champ!

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0x2d 3 points 3 years ago

if your distro of choice happens to be debian with openbox

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DJDarren 2 points 3 years ago

That’ll make a great Hackintosh!

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art 2 points 3 years ago

I'd bet Debian 12 installs like a champ.

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mtcerio 31 points 3 years ago

The "never obsolete" refers to a subscription service, where they would periodically send you updates somehow. LGR has a good video on this.

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cashews_best_nut 10 points 3 years ago

Click here to download more RAM!!

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marker2002 5 points 3 years ago

Your link seems to be broken; I've clicked like 4375 times...

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Agent641 1 point 3 years ago

Computer is coughing

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Steak 26 points 3 years ago

Holy shit my grandfather had this exact PC up until ten years ago or so lol

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superduperenigma 24 points 3 years ago

Why'd he get rid of it? Obviously it wasn't obsolete.

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cone_zombie 6 points 3 years ago

It obsoletely was

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doctorcrimson 23 points 3 years ago
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chic_luke 13 points 3 years ago

You forgot cache distance. That would also critically hinder performance

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kadu 11 points 3 years ago
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doctorcrimson 1 point 3 years ago
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p1mrx 10 points 3 years ago

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these.

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WhiskyTangoFoxtrot 3 points 3 years ago

Mod parent up.

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wsweg 8 points 3 years ago

Surely there would be enough latency to make it unplayable, no?

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moonsnotreal 6 points 3 years ago

I doubt enough of these exist to make an adequate E-Machine supercomputer

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Noodle07 4 points 3 years ago

Why mhw in particular?

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doctorcrimson 1 point 3 years ago
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WhiskyTangoFoxtrot 1 point 3 years ago
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psmgx 22 points 3 years ago

What's the form factor? ATX?

Rip out the guts and slap in a Ryzen with some SSDs. Troll people by playing Farcry or something equally as demanding on it.

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xenoclast 7 points 3 years ago

Sleeper builds like that are getting pretty popular actually.

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Duamerthrax 2 points 3 years ago

A lot of prebuilts from that era made up their own case dimensions.

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Cort 2 points 3 years ago

Add non standard power supply sizes to the list.

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PeterPoopshit 1 point 3 years ago

By the time they got rid of the AT form factor found around the pentium and early socket 7 era, motherboard sizes and screw hole placement started following the ATX specifications which meant standardization. Manufactures still sometimes did really dumb shit with case designs but they still do that today. For example I once saw this shitty compaq with the psu right over the cpu so you can't fit a serious cooler. And those iconic Windows XP Dell Dimensions everyone had were only big enough to fit micro atx motherboards even though the case was basically mid tower sized. I can't even remember how they made such inefficient use of the space but it involved lots of stupid brackets and screws in idiotic places.

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WaxedWookie 2 points 3 years ago

At this point, Farcry probably released closer to that computer's release than today...

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recapitated 22 points 3 years ago

If it can still play SimCopter, the I have to agree.

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BadDragonMaskFace 6 points 3 years ago

Did we just become best friends?

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phorq 5 points 3 years ago

Whenever you turn it on the fan plays SimCopter whether you like it or not

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Kolanaki 20 points 3 years ago

This PC has the clocks and it rocks, but it was obsolete before you opened the box.

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DakkaDakka 4 points 3 years ago

It's all about the pentiums baby

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cryptosporidium140 18 points 3 years ago
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DarkwinDuck 7 points 3 years ago

Actually they started fairly early, but it was more like a phase. Just like the Inter Net.

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makingStuffForFun 14 points 3 years ago

How many sales stickers can one machine have?

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whoisearth 31 points 3 years ago

Manufacturer mandates a certain amount of flair.

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567PrimeMover 20 points 3 years ago

no no no no, it's not a mandate, it's just that we encourage self expression here in the PC market. You do want to express yourself, right?

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whoisearth 6 points 3 years ago

Someone remembers Office Space far better than I do! Lol

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Rolando 9 points 3 years ago

Don't worry, you're a real straight shooter with upper management written all over you.

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_dev_null 3 points 3 years ago

37 pieces of flair to be exact.

It's in the contract that technically 15 would suffice, but who wants to be the company that only does the bare minimum?

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ansiz 12 points 3 years ago

Seems like about every pubic US university was selling those back in the late 90's. So overpriced, even for the time!

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olicvb 7 points 3 years ago

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guiguinofake 3 points 3 years ago

pubic US university

Wonder what they teach there

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bearded_zero 12 points 3 years ago

Damn son you got dem AGP graphics! At least that is 1 thing that can be upgraded.

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UnspecificGravity 11 points 3 years ago

This was a computer for idiots even when it came out.

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RawrGuthlaf 7 points 3 years ago

Reformat it and upgrade the RAM and it did pretty good.

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the_seven_sins 9 points 3 years ago

It will still run Windows 98 just fine.

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AngryCommieKender 3 points 3 years ago

Just don't connect it to the net. Bots will hardlock the machine in less than a second

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the_seven_sins 6 points 3 years ago

Just like when it was new.

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Wolf_359 4 points 3 years ago

Can you elaborate on this more?

Is this really an issue? I mean it makes sense with the security updates being non-existent for a long time now, but would bots really hardlock the machine fairly quickly?

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xenoclast 4 points 3 years ago

Nowadays the resources required to even bother with a botnet targeting win95 machines would be almost non-existent. That said, I guess someone could be managing something that targets all win32 versions .. the internet is weird place

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AngryCommieKender 2 points 3 years ago

I don't know if it is still the case, but I had an old box that was working in 2015, booted it up and pulled the data I wasn't sure I had backed up. I wanted to see what would happen so I connected a Ethernet cable to my home router, and the computer immediately locked up. I hard rebooted, and it locked up before even getting through the boot up cycle. I recycled the machine later.

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reagansrottencorpse 9 points 3 years ago

My families first computer was a Goliath of an IBM tower. Similar gross color I believe. If someone came home suddenly when you were wackin' it you had to just unplug it because it took too long to get the porn off the screen and onto something else. It also would give you away at night with it's insane modem sounds when connecting to the Internet.

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Akareth 0 points 3 years ago
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happyhippo 9 points 3 years ago

Reminds me of my first desktop PC.

Intel Pentium II 266Mhz, 64MB of RAM, 2.99GB HDD.

Of course a 3.5" floppy drive was also included, and a CD-R Reader.

I had to purchase a 33.6k modem separately, tho.

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cashews_best_nut 3 points 3 years ago

I played C&C on an Intel 486DX4 100MHz.

Much speed. Great game!

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happyhippo 3 points 3 years ago

For me it was StarCraft / Broodwar, Warcraft (when it still was a RTS) AOE / AOE2, and Caesar III.

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hydrospanner 4 points 3 years ago

We had very similar sets of games.

I also had Roller Coaster Tycoon, Pharaoh, and a few Star Wars games.

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DarthBueller 2 points 3 years ago

Man that overdrive chip was off the hook. Took me from playing Descent frame by frame on my 486 DX 33 mhz machine to smooth as butter frame rates.

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HoustonHenry 1 point 3 years ago

I got vague memories of Mega Man and Wolfenstein on my families first computer, Dell 286

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glitch1985 2 points 3 years ago

Did it have the turbo button?

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happyhippo 1 point 3 years ago

Nope. What was it for?

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Klanky 9 points 3 years ago

I think we had this exact computer when I was growing up.

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Steak 6 points 3 years ago

Yep I know my grandparents did. Played minesweeper and that cat mouse cheese and wine game like all day.

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banana_meccanica 8 points 3 years ago

Most of people use computers just for memes and emails, so yea, it is never obsoleted

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Unaware7013 -5 points 3 years ago

How you gonna post memes on a machine that doesn't support modern browser protocols? This thing can't even load the Google home page or probably any Lemmy/kbin instance.

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nevemsenki 8 points 3 years ago

I mean, it's not like they managed to get AI assistants running on win3.1 or anything...

https://www.dialup.net/wingpt/

People should appreciate old but serviceable hardware. There is nothing about net communication that exceeds what an 566mhz core can do. At that point it's just a question about porting a TLS/SSL library...

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kindenough 5 points 3 years ago path: 0 4857432 4858256 4858586, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
InFerNo 1 point 3 years ago

I have a Nokia NGage with mobile browsing capability and the google homepage still works. I think it's the only website that still works..

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Valmond 8 points 3 years ago

Common ig has a Celeron!

It always baffles me when like the old hard drive fit in the RAM of am average today PC. What will it be in 10-20 years, 2TB RAM in an average PC?

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SkyezOpen 20 points 3 years ago

Chrome will still eat half of it.

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itsonlygeorge 7 points 3 years ago

All of it.

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AnUnusualRelic 7 points 3 years ago

The first hard drive I used was a whole 5MB.

The OS (a variant of CP/M) couldn't really deal with it though, so it was partitioned as an awful lot of floppies.

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Diplomjodler 5 points 3 years ago

My first PC had a 170 MB (!) hard disk and 4 MB RAM. After an upgrade to 8 MB it could (barely) run Windows 95.

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spicytuna62 5 points 3 years ago

Man, I remember when everyone on planet Earth said "8 GB is all you need." Anymore, 8 GB is pretty low spec. I had to upgrade an old laptop (from 2016) from 6 GB to 16 because the CPU is just fine for what I do with the laptop (surf yt, check email) but the lack of RAM was making it hang up because it was constantly having to dump stuff into and out of swap.

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captainlezbian 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah I recently upgraded from 8. I wish I’d just gotten 16 years ago, but I got 32 for what I paid for the 8. Turns out my games weren’t bad, my pc was

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bassomitron 3 points 3 years ago

Yeah the shift from 8GB being the recommended to 16GB happened pretty suddenly around 2018ish. That being said, I recommend people get 32GB now since it's a relatively minor increase in cost and there are lots of apps that just suck butt at optimization, so it provides a comfortable buffer.

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PoolloverNathan 3 points 3 years ago

cough cough Chromium

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pop 2 points 3 years ago
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WhiskyTangoFoxtrot 3 points 3 years ago

640K should be enough for anybody.

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nossaquesapao 0 points 3 years ago

I'm reading the other comments, and wondering why do people need to be binary like that? Yes, diminishing returns are a thing, so we shouldn't expect the same degree of improvements, but stating hard limits is also something that usually gets laughed several years later.

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Valmond 0 points 3 years ago

We old-timers have heard that exact argument for like forever. Didn't happen.

Even Intels chief engineer thought that after 3um there would be impossible to reach 1um.

1um = 1000nm BTW and we're at like 3nm

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sirico 8 points 3 years ago

antiX linux on a zip drive

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user224 4 points 3 years ago

What about Kolibri OS?

That thing is writtern in assembly.

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Secret300 1 point 3 years ago

Never heard of this till now, thanks

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Aggravationstation 4 points 3 years ago

Or Alpine on a floppy

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Aggravationstation 3 points 3 years ago

Shit no that wouldn't work. Tiny Core?

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sirico 1 point 3 years ago

Looks like people were doing it with Ubuntu a decade ago haha link and some other mad lads project link

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Aggravationstation 1 point 3 years ago

Well, I'll be a floppy image

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HawlSera 7 points 3 years ago

Wasn't there a time when it was considered unfeasible that anyone would ever need more than a few kilobytes?

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Usul_00_ 4 points 3 years ago

"640k should be enough for anybody "

Bill Gates (in 1985, defending the limit for the dos os)

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17s32k 7 points 3 years ago

Holy Hell, i'm pretty sure that's fridge kick's doom 2 in at 30fps with a translucent ATX Case Upgrade ( ̄~ ̄)

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Stalinwolf 7 points 3 years ago

My cousins has an eMonster PC and I thought that was just the most insanely powerful PC.

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user1234 7 points 3 years ago

eMachines were obsolete two years before they were even built.

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snooggums 8 points 3 years ago

The sticker was supposed to be "Newer obsolete".

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originalucifer 6 points 3 years ago

they just mean, you just need to replace each component and it will be good as new!

you know, motherboard,ram,ps,cpu. those drives prolly work today if you have an ide and floppy headers.. might need some molex power adapters

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funkless_eck 6 points 3 years ago

it connects to the internet, dude, just download more ram

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snooggums 3 points 3 years ago

Computer tower of Thebes.

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Rolando 3 points 3 years ago path: 0 4858588 4859140 4865105, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 1
snooggums 1 point 3 years ago

I just replaced all the letters.

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originalucifer 1 point 3 years ago

my grandfathers 'puter! runs like new!

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PissinSelfNdriveway 6 points 3 years ago

What's the problem here? That unit will do all your floppy disc needs until the end of time

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awnery 5 points 3 years ago
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Smokeydope 5 points 3 years ago

The first PC I used growing up was the family e-machine. If nothing else it had good recognizable branding with that E power button design.

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cyborganism 4 points 3 years ago

It's still good for some great retro gaming. Or maybe a server of some kind. So yeah, it's not obsolete yet.

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ares35 3 points 3 years ago

i've got a couple old emachines mintowers here, one was redone with a new (at the time) athlon ii.

solid cases for reuse, just a little tight on space inside and zero airflow intake from the front (across where the hdd bracket is). neither really matter if you're not trying to put in a big video card and use ssd instead of hdd. so i just hang on to them in case i come across something new-ish to put in them.

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zanyllama52 2 points 3 years ago

My emachines etower 566 is my daily driver, am i my alone here? It's current year, and this thing is still not obsolete.

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Porka_911 2 points 3 years ago

I remember buying an eMachine on credit. It used crazy expensive RDRAM

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Pheonixdeath 1 point 3 years ago

Lol... Wow. Its a trip to see what we thought we be future proof back then.

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takeda 13 points 3 years ago

This actually was eMachines program where you could ship your old computer and get significant discount on new model.

It had nothing to do with what they think would be future proof.

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Pheonixdeath 1 point 3 years ago

Thats interesting. We do the same thing with phones now. Lol.

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