[Update: Failed again] Update to 0.18.1-rc.1 tried and rolled back

3 years ago by Ruud to c/lemmyworld

We've upgraded lemmy.world to 0.18.1-rc.1 and rolled back that upgrade because of issues.

(If you had posted anything in those 10 minutes between upgrade and rollback, that post is gone. Sorry!)

The main issue we saw is that users can't login anymore. Existing sessions still worked, but new logins failed (from macos, ios and android. From linux and windows it worked)

Also new account creation didn't work.

I'll create an issue for the devs and retry once it's fixed.

Edit Contacted the devs, they tell me to try again with lemmy-ui at version 0.18.0. Will try again, brace for some downtime!

Edit 2 So we upgraded again, and it seemed to work nicely! But then it slowed down so much it was unuseable. There were many locks in the database. People reported many JSON errors. Sorry, we won't be on 0.18.1 any time soon I'm afraid..

MrPear 439 points 3 years ago

Thank you for the transparancy!

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GatoB 48 points 3 years ago

I love post like this, another reason of why this instance is so good

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morelikepinniped 218 points 3 years ago

Thanks for all your hard work @ruud@lemmy.world. It's not easy!

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OsrsNeedsF2P 104 points 3 years ago

Both Dessalines and Nutomic have been working their butts off to get 0.18.x ready for the Reddit API changes. Huge hopes they can pull through!

Dessalines:

Nutomic:

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imaqtpie 55 points 3 years ago

Yeah they've been hard at work all month. But it's also okay if things aren't ready in time. Most of the people who matter are already here.

Maybe we will blow up soon, maybe later, but the quality of content here is sufficient to drive growth regardless of whether or not we get the prophesized huge migrations from reddit

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thegreatgarbo 3 points 3 years ago

Agreed. I'm here to stay with the content from the last couple weeks. 3 day poop embargoes alone is worth it. And recognizing users because the community is still small enough is SO different from they who shall not be named.

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rambaroo 2 points 3 years ago

It's adequate the way it is now. They should hold off on any major upgrades until after the next batch of new users come in. Lemmy breaking during that period would be far worse then missing some updates and new features.

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egeres 3 points 3 years ago

Oh god, so much coffee... it's also thrilling to grasp a sense of what's going on under the hood of such big social networks at a development level (not like I could understand it, but it was very interesting to see twitter's recommendation algorithm being open-sourced)

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ulu_mulu 100 points 3 years ago

is that users can’t login anymore

Ouch, that's bad :(

Thank you for your work, as always :)

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LazaroFilm 39 points 3 years ago

I mean that’s a Tuesday on Reddit lmao.

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rrobin 73 points 3 years ago

As any engineer who does ops can tell you - you did the right thing - the solution is always to roll back, never force a roll forward, ever.

We should totally do pre and post update parties though. Even if the update fails we can have an excuse for drinks and a fun thread.

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slimerancher 63 points 3 years ago

Oh. Good luck with the next try!

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Machefi 61 points 3 years ago

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axzxc1236 107 points 3 years ago

Reasons I can think of:

The official Android client for lemmy, Jerboa, only supports 0.18 and later, unless users download older version from github and sideload manually.
Sorting is broken pre 0.18, new posts keeps flowing in.
Performance improvement by removing web socket from lemmy. (which fixes 2, which is why 1. happens)

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JdW 27 points 3 years ago

Jerboa works fine with lemmy world, it just gives a warning and crashes on occasion. Not an issue to use it though.

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Disk 28 points 3 years ago

Yes, if you are already logged in. If you are not logged in, or get logged out you will not be able to log back in until the server version is above 0.18

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DrTeeth 3 points 3 years ago

And jerboa recommended logging out. Hmm.

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flawedFraction 23 points 3 years ago

For me at least, I'm unable to change the community scope or sorting method. The only thing I can use Jerboa for is "local" and sorted by "active". It isn't totally unusable, but I would much rather be able to switch to subscribed and hot.

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rolaulten 5 points 3 years ago

I had the same bug. A full restart of my phone seems to have fixed it.

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rolaulten 2 points 3 years ago

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Texas_Hangover 15 points 3 years ago

That sounds like Bethesda's definition of "works fine"

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sorenant 3 points 3 years ago

It works fine if you apply unofficial patch!

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pacjo 3 points 3 years ago

It just works, it just works...

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axzxc1236 13 points 3 years ago

I tried it again and you are totally correct if you see this message.

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JdW 7 points 3 years ago

I tried it again and you are totally correct if you see this message.

I do

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falconfetus8 12 points 3 years ago

That is absolutely not "fine".

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Guy_Fieris_Hair 8 points 3 years ago

With the last couple updates jerboa has got to a point that I probably won't even move to sync when it comes. I'm pretty happy with it. But if Lemmy Is Fun ever happens, I'm out.

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Guy_Fieris_Hair 7 points 3 years ago

With the last couple updates jerboa has got to a point that I probably won't even move to sync when it comes. I'm pretty happy with it. But if Lemmy Is Fun ever happens, I'm out.

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grue 4 points 3 years ago

I'm of a similar mind: I'm happy with Jerboa, yet also looking forward to Slide.

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inverimus 7 points 3 years ago

As a new user I tried logging in on Jerboa and it says the server must be on 0.18 and refuses the login.

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V4uban 1 point 3 years ago

Have you tried this fork? https://lemmy.ca/post/899342

Édit : https://lemmy.ca/post/998253

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needthosepylons 6 points 3 years ago

Well you're a lucky one. Jerboa has been unusable for me and other folks post v0.34 since the first rc release of 0.18. I finally managed to downgrade to 0.34 and login after lots of black magic. It used to crash instantly, even on 0.34.

That being said, good luck to lemmy.world admins and thanks a lot for the open comms !

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wheresyourshoe 6 points 3 years ago

It won't let me log in, so no, it doesn't "work fine." But I have six other apps for Lemmy, so I'm not worried. It'll all be sorted eventually.

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V4uban 1 point 3 years ago

Alternatively, you can try this fork: https://lemmy.ca/post/899342

Édit : https://lemmy.ca/post/998253

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dis_honestfamiliar 6 points 3 years ago

The latest update of jerboa did not let me browse all communities. I had to sideload a previous version.

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vanontom 5 points 3 years ago

"crashes on occasion"

Unfortunately, the occasion seems to be at least once every five minutes for me. thisisfine.jpg This is not fine and definitely a major issue. Especially as we get closer to July 1. After this news from lemmy.world, I will have to switch, until Sync arrives. Update: Liftoff is fantastic, give it a try!

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V4uban 3 points 3 years ago

Have you tried this fork? https://lemmy.ca/post/899342

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spaceduck 16 points 3 years ago

Try wefwef.app on mobile

(no I'm not a bot account shilling I just really like the app)

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stargazer4416 6 points 3 years ago

You made me try it, and I've just switched from Jerboa! It has more of an "Infinity" feel to it. Also tried Liftoff today, wasn't my cup of tea either.

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spaceduck 2 points 3 years ago

The design is a copy of Apollo

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kingcake 4 points 3 years ago

If there was a way to adjust the font sizes it would be 100% perfect. Damn! I'm surprised I hadn't heard of it before. Thanks internet stranger!

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kratoz29 2 points 3 years ago

I have been testing this web app today and I'm really surprised of how it good it looks and behaves... I kinda want it as a standalone app now though.

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CaptObvious 1 point 3 years ago

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spaceduck 4 points 3 years ago

It's an open issue on their github (https://github.com/aeharding/wefwef). Will probably be available soon, the development seems to be fast - I got two updates in a single day. Also tagging @kingcake@lemmy.world

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ferrent22 1 point 3 years ago

I'm sold. 😊 I did need to try a couple of times to figure out I needed to swipe left to reply to a comment, though. But it looks good, works well, and I'll get used to the quirks.

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WhiskyTangoFoxtrot 11 points 3 years ago

The official Android client for lemmy, Jerboa, only supports 0.18 and later, unless users download older version from github and sideload manually.

Even that won't work, because Jerboa initially tries to connect to lemmy.ml which is running 0.18, which older versions of Jerboa aren't compatible with. The app just crashes instantly without giving you the opportunity to log in to your instance.

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Darorad 2 points 3 years ago

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Graphine 8 points 3 years ago

Why the hell does Jerboa even limit support to 0.18? That's so stupid.

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astanix 16 points 3 years ago

Likely because Jebora is written as a side project of the devs of lemmy so it's always going to be cutting edge

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Graphine 5 points 3 years ago

I understand that. I'm not complaining about the quality. I'm just confused from a technical perspective why it doesn't support rollback or older server versions in the event of....this.

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average650 11 points 3 years ago

The latest version only supports 0.18 because the backend works differently. Older versions of Jerboa support older backends of lemmy.

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bemenaker 9 points 3 years ago

Connect for Lemmy works better.

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ItsDedo 4 points 3 years ago

Is it open source?

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RxBrad 2 points 3 years ago

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KrapKake 2 points 3 years ago

I don't know but I installed and older version of Jerboa from F-Droid store. I couldn't login from the most recent version of Jerboa because of this so it was pretty much useless for me. Working fine so far.

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nsmnc 1 point 3 years ago

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sorenant 3 points 3 years ago

I probably disabled auto updates on my end some time in the past because my Jerboa says its version 0.0.33 and it's working without any noticeable problems. Thanks, past me.

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Octavius 54 points 3 years ago

I thought because right now on 0.17 mobile access with jebora is pretty broken and since 0.18 .0 is not an option they are trying to go to 0.18.1 as soon as possible. Even when it means installing rc versions

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dragontamer 46 points 3 years ago

Federation is completely borked with .18 servers. Its very difficult for us to interact with https://lemmy.ca in any way: subscribing, upvoting, comments, posting... its all bugged.

Its maybe not that big a deal because Lemmy.world "has the most users", so in some regards its https://lemmy.ca's loss but... we need to restore reliable federation... especially before the July 1st rush IMO.

The .17 to .18 upgrade is basically a soft-defederation event, because of whatever this bug is between the two versions.

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FearTheCron 9 points 3 years ago

Ah that explains it. Someone posted a cool photo to my community from lemmy.ca but didn't interact further. Looks like my comment didn't even show up on their end.

Anyway, thanks to everyone working on the issue. I know these things aren't easy.

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dragontamer 10 points 3 years ago

I'm subscribed to lemmy.ca and programming.dev, both of which are .18 now. Feels kinda bad losing access to those communities while this issue is getting worked out...

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FearTheCron 2 points 3 years ago

I hear you and it is certainly an inconvenience. My solution for now is just to create mirror accounts on a few different instances under the same name. Hopefully the version compatibility will improve as the Lemmy software matures over time.

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runswithjedi 14 points 3 years ago

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woelkchen 11 points 3 years ago

Just curious, why are we updating now instead of waiting for the proper 0.18.1 release?

A Release Candidate is supposed to be past beta testing already and in a state of no major bugs.

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jcb2016 7 points 3 years ago

Cause if you are on the homepage for a little bit new post start pushing the old post down and it keeps doing it. something about websockets that 18 fixes it. im assuming the admins want to get it out now so people can stop complaining about it. i get it though just wait for the 18 instead of the rc-1 but users are impatient and can't wait for sh*t!

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itadakimasu 39 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the hard work /u/ruud, we'll get there

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Shadywack 35 points 3 years ago

Running one of the largest and most vibrant Lemmy instances certainly makes this deployment a great test case for the devs and the system overall. @ruud@lemmy.world this community really appreciates you!

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ekZepp 33 points 3 years ago

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ilex -4 points 3 years ago

That doesn't make sense. Of course you can fail. Stop filling the boy's head with this nonsense.

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ekZepp 4 points 3 years ago

The motivational post is self-explanatory

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BlueN1te 32 points 3 years ago

pretty brutal bug ngl. was hoping I'd be using jerboa again soon

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i_simp_4_tedcruz 4 points 3 years ago

Is the bug with Jerboa that no subscribed communities are showing up? From my point of view logged in now I only have access to lemmy.world communities

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SpezCanLigmaBalls 2 points 3 years ago

Jerboa crashes for me

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PriorProject 3 points 3 years ago

Download v0.34 from F-droid or Obtainium, which both let you downgrade. It's compatible with Lemmy v0.17.

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Nintendo 28 points 3 years ago

appreciate the transparency. how are things looking in the back in lemmy.world (server wise)? will we get to a point where it wont require complete rollbacks on the state when a botched update gets rolled out?

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Dandroid 10 points 3 years ago

Not having to do a database rollback is a really, really hard problem to solve, and it would almost certainly need to be on the Lemmy developers side, not the server owner's side. And if I'm them, that's a low priority issue, and probably not something I even think about until 1.0.

Basically, they write code that says what to do in the event of a database version change. Usually this only handles upgrade cases, because that's what happening most of the time. One example of something you might do in a db upgrade is let's say you had a column where the data type was only numbers, but now you want to allow any alphanumeric character for some reason. You could have a line of code that converts the number to a string.

Okay, but now you need to go back to the previous version. Okay, your db change code runs, but it's the old version of the db change code, not some new version that you wrote. You unfortunately didn't have a crystal ball when you wrote this code and couldn't predict that you were going to change the data to strings, so you didnt write code to change it from a string to a number.

This is why most software doesn't support downgrades unless you wipe first. For example, if you updated your aging MacBook to the latest Mac OS version, then realized it slows down your laptop too much, you can only go back if you first wipe your laptop in the process. So it's just easier to just take a snapshot before an upgrade and revert to the snapshot if it fails. Some folks will even do "scheduled maintenance" time during the upgrade in which the whole system goes down for a short time so they don't have to risk losing data that happened after the snapshot.

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ilex 26 points 3 years ago

I want to upvote, but I get this instead.

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kurwa 18 points 3 years ago

Oh man, for a sec there you made me thing I was getting errors 😅

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antik 7 points 3 years ago

Can you clear your browser cache? Should be ok after

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Rooki 5 points 3 years ago

Same on thunder app

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miraclerandy 4 points 3 years ago

I'm getting the same on my iPhone through lemmy.world

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Guy_Fieris_Hair 25 points 3 years ago

Suddenly my Jerboa won't change from local and I can't change the sort. Not sure if this is related, but it was working fine yesterday after I updated the app. But no longer this morning.

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sockenklaus 9 points 3 years ago

What you're describing is an issue introduced with Jerboa 0.0.36-alpha and has been fixed in today released 0.0.37-alpha.

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runswithjedi 25 points 3 years ago

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ruud 18 points 3 years ago

Yeah we have a test instance, but not sure if we could test with this kind of load...

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BitOneZero 1 point 3 years ago

Yeah we have a test instance, but not sure if we could test with this kind[ of load…

This is the problem. The big servers have accumulated data that is not in the testing servers and smaller peers. Lemmy instances start out with no data, and joining a community from a remote instance only brings in new data. So far, the big servers have not openly published their lemmy_server logging so we don't know what is going on inside the Rust code - we are only seeing the symptoms with front-end crashes and federation failing to get comments to other servers.

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ulu_mulu 8 points 3 years ago

There are already 3 test instances where devs push updates before going live, but:

if not many people go there test, they won't catch all the bugs.
in this specific case, admins are trying to push a new release candidate (that is not officially released yet) because some people are stuck with mobile apps that don't work anymore on the version we have now.

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Sterben 23 points 3 years ago

I am glad I didn't write my last post during the upgrade process.

Maybe next time, give a warning, or maintenance notice.

Thanks for trying though.

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vimdiesel 2 points 3 years ago

That’s just a pain point of using modern asynchrony software and will never go away

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TeaHands 23 points 3 years ago

Was worth a try! But yeah that was pretty bad 😬

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antik 15 points 3 years ago

Yep that was terribly slow

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runswithjedi 6 points 3 years ago

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antik 12 points 3 years ago

You see even with a test instance it's hard to find things like these. Hard to similate this load

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Crackhappy 4 points 3 years ago

Automated load testing with 3rd party servers won't even do it right either.

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pampoon 22 points 3 years ago

I’ve found from hopping around some other instances that have upgraded to 0.18 that it is still pretty buggy. It does seem to be giving more information about the errors, instead of just failing like in 0.17, but spend any time browsing on those instances and you’re bound to be inundated with JSON and query errors. It also seems to get worse the longer you browse.

The UI changes are nice, and I do appreciate not having my feed auto-updating constantly, but I think you’d be making the right choice to hold off on upgrading until they can iron 0.18.1 out all the way. I’m not super knowledgeable about TS and Rust, but as a user it seems that switching from WebSocket created/shined a light on Lemmy’s issues with caching in general.

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DonDino 20 points 3 years ago

Im already in lemmy 0.19.0

this comment is from the future

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_haha_oh_wow_ 3 points 3 years ago

How is it?

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cianmor 26 points 3 years ago

Replies don’t work

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NEOpera 9 points 3 years ago

Can confirm. The future is broken

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PancitCantot 3 points 3 years ago

The future is broken already. People seem to forget we are the cause of it.

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ren 19 points 3 years ago

Good luck! May the software gods bless you with a functioning website with minimal bugs!

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DRx 3 points 3 years ago

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naneek 19 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the transparency. Maybe it’s a good idea to have a test instance and some test cases/validation done there before updating the main instance. This is a regular process in any software/tech company/stack.

Testing should never be done directly on the prod instance.

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65gmexl3 15 points 3 years ago

i think they tested it which worked fine, but it is totally different when there are users online

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antik 21 points 3 years ago

Correct there was a test instance and that worked fine but once the live instance was upgraded everything became very slow. Can't really emulate that kind of load

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Buffalox 18 points 3 years ago

Linux/Firefox After upgrade many things didn't work, but they continued not to work after rollback.

Turns out I needed to clear the cache, then everything worked fine again.

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imaqtpie 17 points 3 years ago

Dude I posted the funniest comment in those 10 minutes but you all must have missed it. Oh well 😅

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MarsAgainstVenus 16 points 3 years ago

It seems that my Hot feed has been stuck for the last day or two.

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snargledorf 16 points 3 years ago

RC2 RC4 was just released, here's hoping it solves the issues you were experiencing with performance of RC1!

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Machefi 16 points 3 years ago

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SeaJaye 16 points 3 years ago

I'm so new, I'm a baby, I have no idea what I'm doing. I did just create my account, I tried using the app but it wouldn't let me. Saying server version too low. I'm sorry for my ignorance, but is this what that means? And this means we can't use the app yet right?

Also, thank you for all of this. I will be here for it all, I'm staying forever! I already love this so much more than anything else 🥰

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eleitl 14 points 3 years ago

You are probably on Jerboa. Either downgrade or use the web UI interim.

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ruud 14 points 3 years ago

Or use any of the other apps

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SeaJaye 9 points 3 years ago

What are the other apps? Please & thank you. I just found this on boru in Reddit & am jumping in blind. So excuse my ignorance & thank you for your help 😭

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PreciousDeclaration 11 points 3 years ago

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antik 5 points 3 years ago

Have a look here: https://lemmy.world/post/465785

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Karl_L 4 points 3 years ago

As others have mentioned, Liftoff and Thunder are working without issue. Liftoff should be available in the Play Store, not sure about the app store though.

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buddhabound 3 points 3 years ago

Connect seems to be working fine for me. You can get it from the google play store if you don't want to have to fiddle with trying to do some fancy install stuff.

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furikuri 2 points 3 years ago

Here's an overview outlining some different options. I'm using Connect at the moment

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kamenlady 2 points 3 years ago

I had issues with Jerboa and some others. Connect for Lemmy worked fine and it's being updated daily, it seems. Everytime i open it, it's more polished and has new features.

I'm also just a few days in and learning as i go.

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Mog_fanatic 1 point 3 years ago

There's a few of them. Connect, liftoff, summit, jerboa, lemmur, and mlem (iOS) seem to be the front runners so far. Apparently the person who made sync for reddit is working on one for lemmy which seems very promising since a ton of people really liked sync but it's not out yet.

You can also kinda use the website as an app if you want but that's not exactly what you were asking.

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SeaJaye 3 points 3 years ago

Sorry, I'm so dumb.. is there a place I can learn how to use Lemmy better? I don't know how to downgrade 🥲

Thank you for your help.

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eleitl 5 points 3 years ago

No problem. Most lemmy instances currently experience some growing pains due to sudden influx of new users. Meanwhile we have to be patient and use e.g. https://lemmy.world instead of the mobile app you are using. Or try a different app, I personally am looking forward to Slide for Lemmy.

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SeaJaye 3 points 3 years ago

Oh nice! Thank you!

I am currently on the website over app atm. And I completely understand the growing pains. I'm here for it all, I will wait patiently 😌

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antik 4 points 3 years ago

Hello and welcome! This guide will give you a bit of information on the workings of Lemmy https://lemmy.world/post/37906

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SeaJaye 3 points 3 years ago

Ooh, thank you! This is exactly what I needed. 🥰

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sagittarie 5 points 3 years ago

In Jerboa? Yeah. There's other apps for Android though in development.

For example I'm enjoying Thunder: https://github.com/...

And there's also Liftoff and Connect for Lemmy on the Play store.

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mitchacho74 4 points 3 years ago

Until we can get the instance updated, yeah the jerboa app doesn't really work. You could try another app, I'm using liftoff but that's harder to install, you could Google "thunder Lemmy" and try that one, I haven't tested it much but I've heard good things

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SeaJaye 1 point 3 years ago

Thank you for your help 😊

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Zpiritual 2 points 3 years ago

Connect for something is another okey-ish one I've been using in the mean time. I'll probably change to something else once we're updated but it works for now.

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ThisIsNecessary 3 points 3 years ago

I'm a newbie too and that happened when I tried to sign into Jerboa. Using Thunder app now because I don't know how to fix the other one.

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DRx 16 points 3 years ago

Damn, Im glad you tried, and thanks for the update! I just really want the front page fixed without changing to page 0 lol. That and the 3/6/12 hour filter option.

Keep us updated. Im bouncing back and forth between LW, KBIN, and .ml for now though

any recommendations on other instances I should try outside the lemmy-verse and kbin-verse?

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dezmd 15 points 3 years ago

Thats for all the work you're doing on this.

Just FYI, here is a different recurring issue that keeps coming back, I've strictly been using lemmy.world website, keep receiving MLB Game stats for the same day when opening random links, just happened when I opened this thread to view comments. So far if I just reload the page it will then show the correct content. But it keeps happening.

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ruud 10 points 3 years ago

Strange, probably one of those weird Websockets issues that should be solved in 0.18....

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PsyKiere 2 points 3 years ago

Same, it happens to me a lot!

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ImTiagoSousa 2 points 3 years ago

I've had the same issue a few days ago, so far nothing too major since it can be refreshed like you mentioned, but still a nuisance.

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Nisciunu 15 points 3 years ago

Thank you for the update

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KreekyBonez 15 points 3 years ago

the work you've done in the last month is incredible. I hope you can get some rest in between bursts of carrying the instance on your shoulders

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snargledorf 14 points 3 years ago

@ruud@lemmy.world just wondering if you have considered setting up a second, beta, instance of lemmy.world open to the public?

With all the performance issues with 0.18.1, it's highlighted that there needs to be a way to stress test these updates before applying them to the main instance.

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Spitz 13 points 3 years ago

Jerboa is almost unusable for me at the moment. A lot of crashes, pages not loading, messages not sending etc. But I know that's inevitable at times. Restarting my phone seemed to make it worse. But I know you guys are on it! 👍

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kratoz29 9 points 3 years ago

I recommend you this web app

https://wefwef.app

It is almost as functional as Jerboa and very impressive for a web app.

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alaxitoo 6 points 3 years ago

Already has a lot of what I liked about Apollo just in a web app, very cool!

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kratoz29 4 points 3 years ago

It works unbelievable well.

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sv1sjp 5 points 3 years ago

Wow, awesome design!!!

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kratoz29 6 points 3 years ago

I'm impressed as well, I don't even like web apps, but God this looks amazing, and even better for me because I have an Android device and it has been ages since I used Apollo lol.

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odama626 4 points 3 years ago

I just switched to it, Had tried jerboa, connect and liftoff and this one is by far my favorite

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kratoz29 3 points 3 years ago

Yeah it has plenty of good features already!

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Vupperware 1 point 3 years ago

Currently rate-limited by Lemmy.world, per the dev. You might get a lot of red error boxes.

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kratoz29 1 point 3 years ago

Why?

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Vupperware 2 points 3 years ago

Too much traffic going through the app, as he explained it. I would try to link the post, but everything is so janky on both Lemmy.world and our wonderful Apollo clone that I can’t be bothered.

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Earnest 4 points 3 years ago

Liftoff is a much better app. I used Jerboa as well but found an alternative cuz it was pretty much unusable. Just dowload Liftoff's latest apk and install

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Earnest 2 points 3 years ago

Holy crap I just checked right now and Liftoff is on Playstore already!

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Sterben 1 point 3 years ago

I am using it too, quite nice, it still miss some quality life features, but I am they will get to it.

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hlqxz 1 point 3 years ago

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InfiniteFlow 12 points 3 years ago

Bummer. Other instances apparently managed to upgrade, but none has the scale of lemmy.world, so that was bound to stretch things to their breaking point. Hopefully the devs are on top of whatever's causing it!

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MajinBlayze 12 points 3 years ago

I'll admit this is probably something I can Google, but is there any scale-out options for a given Lemmy instance, or is it designed to be hosted in a single server?

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Classy 11 points 3 years ago

In the meantime I've migrated over to Connect for Lemmy on Android, and it is working significantly better than Jerboa did.

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Vilian 2 points 3 years ago

maybe they could partner with other app developers, so they can spend more time in the lemmy code instead of the app

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admin 2 points 3 years ago

Thunder has been making leaps in the last few updates as well.

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erik1984 11 points 3 years ago

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antik 8 points 3 years ago

That was indeed what happened.

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like47ninjas 10 points 3 years ago

Appreciate the communication & the effort.

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kylian0087 10 points 3 years ago

thanks for your hard work ruud!

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T156 10 points 3 years ago

Looks like we're still having issues, more's the pity.

Do we know what's causing the issue, or is it still a bit of a mystery for the time being?

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flubba86 10 points 3 years ago

I had a weird issue after it upgraded. My browser (Firefox on Android) showed the Lemmy UI but showed no posts. I checked my profile to see if I was logged in, and it showed I was logged in as someone else! I cleared my cache and refreshed, it showed I wasn't logged in. Logging in worked fine, and showed my expected posts and my actual profile. In Liftoff app my account worked fine the whole time, didn't need to log in again.

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Noktpapilio 3 points 3 years ago

It was just a visual bug, happened to me too. As soon as I tried accessing the profile section I was logged out and couldn't login again.

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Widowmaker_Best_Girl 9 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the update, good luck!

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FollyDolly 9 points 3 years ago

After the update I can no longer log in or interact with Jerboa. Hopefully y'all resolve this soon, as I am really digging Jerboa, but thanks for letting us know what's going on, and keeping up the good work.

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FlavorGrain 9 points 3 years ago

Sucks that lemmy.world won't be working with Jerboa when the reddit apps quit working in a couple days.

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SuperIce 9 points 3 years ago

Jerboa still works fine with lemmy.world. It pops up a warning that the server version is unsupported, but it still seems to work fine.

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EricHill78 3 points 3 years ago

After I get the warning I can tap the hamburger menu and it shows my account name up top but when I try to upvote a post it states I need to log in.

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Ech 8 points 3 years ago

Better than being flooded with bots.

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65gmexl3 7 points 3 years ago

alternatives like LiftOff is available

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.liftoffapp.liftoff&pli=1

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Denuath 3 points 3 years ago

It's available from play store now? Awesome! Will definitely try out.

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Alfuh 2 points 3 years ago

Liftoff, Thunder, and Connect for Lemmy are all alternatives

Soon Sync for Lemmy as well!

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Spacebar 1 point 3 years ago

Liftoff is amazing.

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guy 5 points 3 years ago

It will work, I'm using it. Just ignore the warning message

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dingus 1 point 3 years ago

"Work" is subjective. I can ignore the warning message, but the app has become incredibly unstable to me to the point where it crashes every minute or so. It's almost completely unusable.

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Flemmy 3 points 3 years ago

On the plus side, I'm about to open the beta that handles both just fine (plus a lot of features no one else is doing yet). The deadline I for myself is Saturday when the Reddit clients go down.

Unfortunately it was built by someone who lurks and comments, and I realized even though merging feeds from accounts on different servers is going to be awesome, other people like to post and I need to stop getting off track

The stress of the timeline is starting to get to me and I'm terrified no one is going to give it a chance, but I've fixed most of the things that drove me nuts in jerboa... That should count for something, right?

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jennwiththesea 2 points 3 years ago

Hol up, are you soft announcing the development of a new Jerboa-based app? What's it called? Good luck to you! I hope you achieve your goals with the project and that is well received. ☺️

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Flemmy 2 points 3 years ago

Hey, so it's not jerboa based and I ended up pushing it back a few weeks, but I'm now looking for beta testers on Android if you're interested

As for the name, I think I'm going with Luna for several reasons, a big one being that someone suggested it and Flemmy was the only name I could think of beforehand

I'm posting updates to !flemmy@lemmy.world for now, if you're interested I'll be posting instructions for the beta soon.

Whether you're interested or not I'd love to get feedback. I'm good with data and UX flow, but I mostly just comment - I need to learn how other people want to use Lemmy

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Flemmy 3 points 3 years ago

On the plus side, I'm about to open the beta that handles both just fine (plus a lot of features no one else is doing yet). The deadline I for myself is Saturday when the Reddit clients go down.

Unfortunately it was built by someone who lurks and comments, and I realized even though merging feeds from accounts on different servers is going to be awesome, other people like to post and I need to stop getting off track

The stress of the timeline is starting to get to me and I'm terrified no one is going to give it a chance, but I've fixed most of the things that drove me nuts in jerboa... That should count for something, right?

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Spacebar 2 points 3 years ago

Liftoff is a much better app. It's working great

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FlavorGrain 1 point 3 years ago

Thanks, seems much better!

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Jones885 9 points 3 years ago

That's alright. Thanks for all your hard work!

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ilex 8 points 3 years ago

Posted after Edit 2.

I would like to manage my expectations. Yesterday we were looking at 0.18.1 being sent out in about week from the devs. Was 0.18.1-rc.1 what we thought they'd have ready? Do we still think the 7-10 day window is likely?

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antik 19 points 3 years ago

rc.1 is the first Release Candidate of that version - not the final one, so between now and a week a lot can still happen.

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ilex 13 points 3 years ago

Thanks. It's neat how active you and the other admins are. You guys dedicate a lot of time to individual comments, and not just on this thread.

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ruud 18 points 3 years ago

No they said in a week they would have it final. But maybe it will take a bit longer....

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ilex 14 points 3 years ago

Lemmy seems like a herculean undertaking. I can't imagine anyone doing the nuts and bolts for free or on any schedule, so it's quite amazing to me that we can talk about getting updates like this.

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oldLady80 8 points 3 years ago

Thank you for your work!

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Sans_outside 8 points 3 years ago

Thanks for all your hard work

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morgan_423 8 points 3 years ago

Your time and efforts in keeping this instance going are most appreciated! Thanks again!

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linearchaos 8 points 3 years ago

If at first you don't succeed, try every other RC until proper :)

We have a good thing going, don't rush it, we'll wait :) and thank you for your service.

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Smokeless7048 8 points 3 years ago

Thank you for the hard work Ruud!

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caut_R 7 points 3 years ago

Bummer. What keeps me from using Lemmy more atm is that it‘s unresponsive and gets stuck a lot on my end (iOS). I was hoping the update would improve on this. I hope future upgrades work better. Thanks for your work!

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Spitz 7 points 3 years ago

Jerboa crashes constantly for me now, doesn't even let me view anything. JSYK!

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AlmightySnoo 6 points 3 years ago

Need to downgrade the UI I think? The frontpage is empty because the UI version is 0.18 while the backend is at 0.17.4.

Thanks again to all admins!

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antik 2 points 3 years ago

Can you do a Ctrl-F5 and if that doesn’t help clear your browser cache?

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AlmightySnoo 1 point 3 years ago

works now thanks!

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antik 2 points 3 years ago

Nice!

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MysticSmear 6 points 3 years ago

What changes does the new release candidate offer?

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BrianTheeBiscuiteer 6 points 3 years ago

Not that we'd get them during maintenance but this is a good reason to have some kind of DM system.

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ruud 16 points 3 years ago

You can always contact our Mastodon account @mwadmin@mastodon.world

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BrianTheeBiscuiteer 2 points 3 years ago

Thanks. Following now. Maybe that would be a good place to cross post to when an upgrade happens.

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ffolkes 6 points 3 years ago

0.18.1-rc.1 seems to be working ok on my tiny instance. I had upgraded from 0.18.0.

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nucleative 6 points 3 years ago

All the support you need @ruud

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burretploof 6 points 3 years ago

Thank you and good luck!

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earthquake 6 points 3 years ago

Dang, I updated Jerboa too hastily, time to figure out how to downgrade back to 0.34

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Papanca 3 points 3 years ago

I don't see version 0.0.34 unfortunately, but here are some options. I think apkmirror is a safe source. https://www.apkmirror.com/?post_type=app_release&searchtype=apk&s=jerboa

For the future; there are apps that can save your apk's, so you can always downgrade if necessary. Check out on f-droid for open source apps that you like. I have been doing this for years, because it happens quite often that an app version is buggy or they suddenly add annoying features and then you can instantly downgrade.

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earthquake 4 points 3 years ago

Yep, I was able to use F-Droid to download and install the older version (either using official F-Droid app or Aurora Droid), it's just not something I've had to do often.

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dis_honestfamiliar 1 point 3 years ago

All release versions are available on github. https://github.com/dessalines/jerboa/releases

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yads 1 point 3 years ago

The only issue I'm having is the pop up when I open it. Otherwise it works fine, but I was already logged in.

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TheInsane42 1 point 3 years ago

I'm using 0.35 and have no issues with the 0.17.3 server. I was already logged in though. I'm also using !liftoff@lemmy.world though, works with all instances I have an account on.

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earthquake 3 points 3 years ago

The 0.34 crashes on startup... Unless I put it in airplane mode to navigate to the login page, then it works fine. 0.35 doesn't crash on startup, but will not let you log into Lemmy.world. Rough growing pains.

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TheInsane42 2 points 3 years ago

Then I'd use liftoff for now as app. To be honest, I like that app a tad more then Jerboa.

Everything is pretty experimental now. The fast growth due to Reddit's harakiri is showing some issues not yet thought off. ;)

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ThisIsNecessary 1 point 3 years ago

I tried 0.35 and I still can't log in. Says the server version is too low. I'm using Thunder now but I've heard good things above Jerboa and really wanted to try it.

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TheInsane42 2 points 3 years ago

I'm messing about with Liftoff at the moment. Works well and I could login on lemnmy .world as well as others. (.ml and .studio)

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TheLurker 6 points 3 years ago

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devopspalmer 6 points 3 years ago

Is there any place that people can assist in trying to figure out issues?

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ruud 11 points 3 years ago

Well you can either help the devs via their Github, or if you wanna help sysadmin the server I can send you a link to our Discord.

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devopspalmer 3 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the response, Going to look into the github/code side but I may reach out in the near future to help where needed. 😀

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Widowmaker_Best_Girl 6 points 3 years ago

Thanks for trying and keeping us updated!

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ghariksforge 6 points 3 years ago

Thank you for the hard work and the transparency!

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wilberfan 5 points 3 years ago

You're fighting the good fight on our behalf! 💪

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NABDad 5 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the info. You're doing a great job!

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GustavoM 5 points 3 years ago

It's okay lads. Take your time.

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heffa 5 points 3 years ago

Maybe next time GGs

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Tenthrow 5 points 3 years ago

So are we stable now? I lost some posts and comments this morning.

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ruud 23 points 3 years ago

Yeah we won't try again until a stable version is released with the performance issues fixed..

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Tenthrow 6 points 3 years ago

10-4. Thanks for doing the lord's work.

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npastaSyn 1 point 3 years ago

Will there be a rc.2? Where can we look up details of the Lemmy release schedule?

Thanks for your hard work.

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necrxfagivs 5 points 3 years ago

@ruud Lemmy is empty for me right now. I was able to browse in 0.18.1, but it was really slow and tons of JSON problems.

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ruud 10 points 3 years ago

Please clear your cache

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necrxfagivs 3 points 3 years ago

@ruud I took the screenshot now (UI: 0.18.0
BE: 0.17.4)

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antik 7 points 3 years ago

Clear your browser cache. I had the same

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axzxc1236 3 points 3 years ago

Having this issue with Firefox 114.0.2 on Linux, clear cache doesn't work, ctrl+F5 does.

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grapplerone 5 points 3 years ago

I’ve tried to sign up for days and still cannot. The thing just spins after the code. I had to sign up with Lem.ee

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dragontamer 5 points 3 years ago

0.17.4 has a number of glitches with regards to signup that silently fails (!!!).

A password that's too long, underscores in your username, username already taken... issues that should be detected as an error simply spin-and-spin-and-spin on 0.17.4.

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volkel808 5 points 3 years ago

Thank you for the effort and good luck!

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OmarDontScare 5 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the update! We'll brace for some downtime!

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MonsieurHedge 5 points 3 years ago

Disappointing to see progress stymied, but not surprised. Nothing worth doing is ever easy, is it?

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BobbyBandwidth 1 point 3 years ago

Lovin is easy

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Chocrates 5 points 3 years ago

Thank you for all your efforts.

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egeres 5 points 3 years ago

Thanks to all the team at lemmyworld for the hard work ❤

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spunkymunky 5 points 3 years ago

Thanks for posting your experience. Valuable info for other admins.

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ClassyHatter 5 points 3 years ago

I managed to visit when the server was 0.18.1-rc. I didn’t see any posts and the selector for Subscribed, Local and All was “empty”, as in nothing was selected and I could not select anything.

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hal_5700X 5 points 3 years ago

Good luck next time. Thank you for your hard work & transparancy.

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forksandspoons 5 points 3 years ago

Sucks that you couldnt get it working yet, but there are bound to be problems at this scale.

Anyone have any resources for learning what running a lemmy server is like ? Seems pretty interesting

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Zetaphor 1 point 3 years ago

If you're running a small server it's pretty straightforward and hands-off. It's only when you get to the scale of these larger instances that you run into issues. I just rerun ansible every time there's an update and it otherwise just manages itself.

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defaultnamespace 4 points 3 years ago

Fingers crossed, good luck!

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DeadNinja 4 points 3 years ago

Thanks for everything that you're doing to make Lemmy the best place after Reddit sank !

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aski3252 4 points 3 years ago

Thank you for your effort and keeping us up to date. Hopefully we will get a working 0.18 version soon.

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DoctorTYVM 4 points 3 years ago

What apps work for android?

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antik 6 points 3 years ago

Check here for an overview: https://lemmy.world/post/465785

Basically all except for Jerboa

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DoctorTYVM 1 point 3 years ago

Cheers! Which is most like RiF?

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shortypig 3 points 3 years ago

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manic77 4 points 3 years ago

Thanks for keeping us updated.

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CsXGF8uzUAOh6fqV 4 points 3 years ago

FYI, my UI is currently a bit buggy after the second rollback.

create post UI:

expanding the menu messes up the header:

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antik 7 points 3 years ago

Can you do a Ctrl-F5 and if that doesn't help clear your browser cache?

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CsXGF8uzUAOh6fqV 3 points 3 years ago

o that did it, I should have thought about doing that first.

I do seem to need to do it every time though...

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AlmightySnoo 4 points 3 years ago

My body is ready

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xaxl 4 points 3 years ago

Is this upgrade because removing websockets broke captchas for the sign up process?

Could they just put a page in front of the signup on the webserver with the captcha that needs to be passed first?

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brettwilcox 4 points 3 years ago

@ruud@lemmy.world, check out schema migration tools for PostgreSQL.

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ekZepp 3 points 3 years ago

Thank you so much for your hard work👍

YOU ROCK!

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GONADS125 3 points 3 years ago

What a roller-coaster ride reading that post! Appreciate your team's hard work. Eagerly but patiently awaiting a working update.

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Badass_panda 3 points 3 years ago

Thanks for all the hard work!

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BitOneZero 3 points 3 years ago

Contacted the devs, they tell me to try again with lemmy-ui at version 0.18.0. Will try again, brace for some downtime!

Did you try at lemmy-ui 0.17.4?

But then it slowed down so much it was unuseable. There were many locks in the database.

From my testing, federation activity alone can be causing over half of this. I really think we need to get controls to 'turn off federation incoming' while bringing up new releases and under performance crisis.

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blotz 3 points 3 years ago

relatable!

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ShaneIsGames 3 points 3 years ago

Thank you so much for all the hard work here, I know how frustrating attempting an upgrade like this can be.

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AchtungDrempels 3 points 3 years ago

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miraclerandy 3 points 3 years ago

Thank you for all your hard work! We're gonna get there!

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Incoherent 3 points 3 years ago

thanks for the effort, hope the next rc. or stable will be out quick

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KazuyaDarklight 2 points 3 years ago

@Edit 2: Especially ironic since improved performance was supposed to be one of the selling points.

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qnick 2 points 3 years ago

Could you upgrade to 0.18.0? The android app doesn't work with 0.17, but it seems to work with 0.18.0

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jacktherippah 2 points 3 years ago

Thank you for the transparency.

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Tylerdurdon 2 points 3 years ago

Thank you for your work!

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ShlorpianMafia 2 points 3 years ago

Anyone else's home feed only loading Local > Active ?

I can't get it to load any other new/hot or subscribed/all posts unless I go to a community page and browse one community at a time.

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can 3 points 3 years ago

Jerboa?

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ShlorpianMafia 2 points 3 years ago

Yup

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AsimovsRobot 2 points 3 years ago

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UESPA_Sputnik 2 points 3 years ago

I can't login anymore with my Lemmy.world account (I'm writing this from my feddit account)

When trying to login the circle in the green login button just keeps spinning forever. Is this a known issue?

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ruud 1 point 3 years ago

Can you mail me your account name, send it to info@lemmy.world

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Asudox 2 points 3 years ago

I am glad y'all rolled back. I had just enabled 2FA and could not login to my account. Rolling back removed 2FA so I was able to log back in. Thanks.

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ruud 8 points 3 years ago

Which 2FA app did you use? I heard Authy didn't work

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Asudox 5 points 3 years ago

Aegis

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skipperwannabe 2 points 3 years ago

Thanks for posting this. I was considering enabling it using Aegis, as I hadn't previously seen anyone report failure using that as opposed to Authy.

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hal_5700X 2 points 3 years ago

2FA is cursed.

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Mr_Bott 2 points 3 years ago

Hello Lemmy World

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WhoRoger 2 points 3 years ago

So how does this work..is there a beta server to try it on? Or it worked in testing and it only broke with the full amount of users?

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notavote 7 points 3 years ago

Yes, there are three testing servers, but errors still do happen. especially when everyone is in a hurry to release

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twistedtxb 1 point 3 years ago

Thanks!

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noXi 1 point 3 years ago

was there a test environment? why rc in production?

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grapplerone 1 point 3 years ago

Finally got signed up, had to change my username for some crazy reason.

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grapplerone 0 points 3 years ago

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KazuyaDarklight 1 point 3 years ago

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MoxFcCloud 1 point 3 years ago

Was this also causing the issue federating with Kbin?

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donut4ever 0 points 3 years ago

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Voidsabre -18 points 3 years ago

This is exactly the kind of issue I was afraid of when switching to Lemmy and seeing its federated, decentralized organization

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ren 13 points 3 years ago

not really sure what a software bug has to do with a decentralized platform?

Even Big Tech has software bugs that fuck things up all the time. Hell, how many times has iOS updates had to be put on hold over a massive bug?

Lemmy.ml is on 0.18, you are more than welcome to sign up there, but personally I'm cool with a server that is in no rush and would rather wait for functioning softweare.

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