...Then you select it, and the Captcha fails.

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nottheengineer 97 points 3 years ago

I still don't know whether you're supposed to hit those and I also don't know if it's normal to get two challenges or if that just means I did the first one wrong.

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jmcs 105 points 3 years ago

It doesn't really matter, they don't expect you to get everything right on these. While most of the time you need to get mostly right (Google is using these to train their AI so often they are not sure themselves), they are also looking at other things, like how you move your mouse, and the cookies that they use to spy on people to determine the probability of you being a human. If you pass a certain threshold they let you through, and you can do it even if you miss a square.

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DigitalPaperTrail 57 points 3 years ago
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Cruxifux 47 points 3 years ago

Nah, you’re a robot man. We caught you.

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Flabbergassed 3 points 3 years ago

I'm Kilroy.

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DigitalPaperTrail 2 points 3 years ago
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nottheengineer 7 points 3 years ago

These things feel like they are made by microsoft. You click somewhere, wait 3-10 seconds and then you can click again.

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Droechai 1 point 3 years ago

Just use a click delay program between press and input, maybe with a physical on/off switch on a dedicated keyboard next to the mouse together with other necessary keys (like the one button switch between EN and SE layouts or the Memory Cache Dump Key)

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jmcs 7 points 3 years ago

That's what a bot would say /s

But you're right, the UX sucks, and there are other ways to detect and limit bots that don't impact legitimate users as much - but Google needs to train their AI, and developers need to cargo cult stuff.

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Tetsuo -6 points 3 years ago

A bot trying to solve the captcha would be very fast so it makes sense that they block fast solvers.

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anyhow2503 26 points 3 years ago

A bot would be exactly as fast as possible, while staying below the detection threshold.

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DessertStorms 23 points 3 years ago

and the cookies that they use to spy on people to determine the probability of you being a human

which is why I assume, as a VPN user who rejects as many cookies as possible, I constantly have to do 5-6 fucking captchas in a row, sometimes more, before it'll let me through.. I can't be that bad at doing them lol

Is it frustrating? Fuck yeah. Will it get me to change my behaviour and drop those measures so that the companies getting in my way can collect more of my data? Fuck no.

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Inductor 6 points 3 years ago

Have you tried using an automatic CAPTCHA solver (e.g. Buster)?

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DessertStorms 3 points 3 years ago

No, will give it a look, thanks

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Pika 2 points 3 years ago

I will have to look into this as well

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null 4 points 3 years ago

Yup, as soon as I moved to a privacy-focused browser, pi-hole, and VPN, I started getting a ton more captchas and they had many more in a row.

I consider it a badge of honor.

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veroxii 4 points 3 years ago

I also started getting way more once I moved from chrome to Firefox.

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onion 12 points 3 years ago

I think you should do what the majority of people would do

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nottheengineer 2 points 3 years ago

This has been memed about forever, no one knows what the majority does.

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veroxii 4 points 3 years ago

Most people do.

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Pietson 7 points 3 years ago

AFAIK, the first one is the real check, the second one is too train their image recognition AI.

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nottheengineer 8 points 3 years ago

It has to be more sophisticated than that. Otherwise users could easily taint the datasets by giving wrong answers on purpose.

It probably checks your answer against the current model's best guess and if it's close enough, you get a pass and your input is added to the training data for the next iteration. The more wrong you are, the more challenges you get.

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Takios 1 point 3 years ago

Otherwise users could easily taint the datasets by giving wrong answers on purpose.

I do that and as long as it's not too outlandish it lets me through.

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nudnyekscentryk 3 points 3 years ago

That was in text captcha days

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neoman4426 2 points 3 years ago

I vaguely remember 4chan figuring out something to do with which was the control and which the variable and deciding to spam solving the control correctly but the variable with some kind of nonsense (knowing 4chan probably a slur) until the system got enough confirmation that it got moved to the control group and would accept I it there

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boredtortoise 6 points 3 years ago

Isn't it normal to get something like 6 challenges?

And suddenly one of them has new slow loading images which you won't notice before clicking continue, thus failing

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user224 5 points 3 years ago

The most I got at once was around 21 I think. But twice I did such number without passing.

I should finally look at one of those automated captcha solver extensions for Firefox. I know some are more accurate than humans anyway.

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Johanno 2 points 3 years ago

Oh I usually get the green checkmark without any captcha.

It depends on the website you are visiting, whether you are loged in on Google and how much cookies you allow and a lot more. Also using Chrome may help because it collects more data.

Sometimes loging out of Google also helps.

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SpaceScotsman 69 points 3 years ago

Answer wrong. The more of us humans that answer wrong, the less accurate we need to be to get past these stupid things. If google want me to do work for them, they can pay me.

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Flabbergassed 26 points 3 years ago

I unwittingly do that all the time. It often takes me 30+ Captchas before I finally get in. Then I've forgotten what the hell I was doing in the first place.

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Confused_Emus 4 points 3 years ago
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kibiz0r 17 points 3 years ago

If google want me to do work for them, they can pay me.

They kinda do. This is the way the "free" model of internet services works. One of the reasons I think we should probably switch to expecting services to either be paid or non-profit, rather than ad/data-supported.

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TranscendentalEmpire 7 points 3 years ago

Yeah, but the whole point of offering free services was just a ploy to crush competition with shorter runways to profit. Google could just sustain "free"services longer than their competitors could remain solvent.

Now that they've run most of their competitors into the ground, and now that people and businesses have become dependent on these services. They can bank off advertising and monetizing services with subscriptions.

Google business accounts used to be free, now you have to pay 9 bucks a month per employee, and you are subjected to even more advertising. Neither advertising nor subscriptions are going anywhere, especially now that subscription plans are so normalized.

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intensely_human 1 point 3 years ago

That might have been the point. It’s also saved me countless hours of my life being able to navigate anywhere at any time with step by step instructions on how to get there.

There was a lot of value produced for a lot of people by google maps so far

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TranscendentalEmpire 4 points 3 years ago

There was a lot of value produced for a lot of people by google maps so far

Right.... But people don't get upset about monopolies because they don't create value. They get upset because they eliminate competition and choice.

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Depress_Mode 39 points 3 years ago

Whenever I get a capcha of anyone on a vehicle, I always make it a point to highlight the entirety of the driver too because I’m not going to just let Google train its self-driving vehicles to just ignore that every motorcycle has a rider on it.

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blattrules 35 points 3 years ago

The worst for me is the motorcycles one; half of the pictures are of motor scooters. Does it count those as motorcycles or is it counting on the user to know the difference because they’re not technically the same thing?

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Aloha_Alaska 20 points 3 years ago

I was about to make a similar comment but you beat me to it.

It recently showed me a bicycle as part of “select all motorcycles” so I didn’t pick it. And I failed. Twice. Finally picked the bicycle and it let me through. Guess the computer knows best.

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Ullallulloo 6 points 3 years ago

It also does it the other way around. I failed recently for not calling a motorcycle a bicycle.

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mexicancartel -2 points 3 years ago

Beatmeattoit

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ElmarsonTheThird 32 points 3 years ago

Same shit with bikes. Is the rider part of the bike or not?

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knatschus 10 points 3 years ago

Consindering that we're training Ai to be safe on the roads i would say the rider is the most vital part.

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Speculater 2 points 3 years ago

Well the seat post is under their butt.

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some_guy 26 points 3 years ago

This scenario pisses me off as I debate how pedantic to be.

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Siegfried 26 points 3 years ago

Its worst when you clearly see small traffic lights far back in the same pucture

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Floon 26 points 3 years ago

Hate this. Every time, I seem to guess wrong.

Guess I'm a robot.

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Mkengine 10 points 3 years ago

Then I would recommend Buster for you.

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Imgonnatrythis 21 points 3 years ago

I stress about the whole damn pole. If you showed me a picture of a traffic 🚦 on pole, and asked me what it was, I would say "a traffic light" not "a traffic loght and a traffic light pole"

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NutWrench 19 points 3 years ago

This is what "AI training" looks like, folks. The companies developing AI constantly tells us how awesome it is, but it still needs the help of humans to recognize basic sh*t like cars, buses, crosswalks and traffic lights. They didn't choose those images by accident.

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LameName3000 18 points 3 years ago

I started half-assing these a long time ago because they never fail anyway.

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Amazinghorse 1 point 3 years ago

The test isn't the panels you click on, it tracks how your mouse pointer moves. Bots or robots tend to move in straight lines, whereas with humans, the pointer moves in a more random fashion. That's how you pass.

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intensely_human -1 points 3 years ago

!??

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veni_vedi_veni 18 points 3 years ago

It's funny that captchas are in a never ending arms race with bots trained on the same datasets capturing humans answering these stupid puzzles.

Pretty soon we're going to be drinking verification cans

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CosmicTurtle 2 points 3 years ago

Well of course we are. A bot can't drink!

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Pazuzu 16 points 3 years ago

Try the audio captcha, those seem to have actual valid answers to them.

Funny enough, there's an extension that solves captchas by feeding that audio through a speech recognition algorithm. If anything it's more reliable than solving them manually

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Zerush 5 points 3 years ago

Yes, Buster Captcha Solver extension (in GitHub, Firefox, Chromium), but there are novadays also several others, which works in all type of capchas, using AI. Because of this, Captchas are obsolet since years, turning simply in annoying clickbaits. They can't avoid bots anymore.

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Amends1782 2 points 3 years ago

It makes me sad its not under active dev anymore. Last update to Firefox DEC 2022

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mortonfox 15 points 3 years ago

The ones that get me are captchas saying select all squares with motorcycles when it is clearly a bicycle.

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Holzkohlen 14 points 3 years ago

They must have increased the difficulty at one point cause I ain't kidding, I cannot solve them anymore. I swear to god I donit correctly but it never works.

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Brickhead92 9 points 3 years ago

01001000 01101001 00100000 01100110 01100101 01101100 01101100 01101111 01110111 00100000 01110010 01101111 01100010 01101111 01110100

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Takios 7 points 3 years ago

That could happen when the system has already flagged you as unwanted traffic. It just keeps giving you Captchas to solve until you eventually give up voluntarily.

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EddoWagt 3 points 3 years ago

Same, I had to login to steam by solving one of these and I just couldn't... Not sure why it's so difficult all of a sudden

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CarterDarter 12 points 3 years ago

They do that on purpose, as an AI/Bot wouldn't hesitate.

Sometimes I'll be stuck on a captcha because I'm answering too fast, so I'll wait a delay then hit the answer and suddenly it stops going in circles

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Kedly 7 points 3 years ago

I thought the reason is they want to see the limits of what a human considers qualify as answer to their question in order to better train their AI?

Edit: Although I guess nothing is stopping the answer from being Porque No los Dos?

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CarterDarter 3 points 3 years ago

I mean it could absolutely be both. There's assumedly a lot that goes into these algorithms and most of it we will never know for sure, just make educated speculation lol

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uis 11 points 3 years ago

Those fire hydrants will haunt me in nightmares

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Rambi 4 points 3 years ago

Especially because the answers to these captchas are used to train self driving car AI, so if you fuck it up the self driving cars will crash and you will have blood on your hands :/

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MonkderZweite 10 points 3 years ago

Yeah, had to adapt my patterns so i don't get always flagged as bot.

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guyrocket 10 points 3 years ago

I just think to myself: What would a robot do?

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psycho_driver 8 points 3 years ago

This was me in the early days of captchas. Now I'm all like 360 no-scope BOOM HEADSHOT let me in motherfuckers!

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yanyuan 4 points 3 years ago
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Malfeasant 8 points 3 years ago

I had one of the old fashioned distorted text ones the other day, but instead of something like "please enter the text above" it just said "are you human?" next to the text box. Naturally, I typed "yes" but that turned out to be the wrong answer.

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raptir 5 points 3 years ago

The correct answer is "or are you dancer?"

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ghoscht 7 points 3 years ago

What I hate so much more are the OpenAI captchas. Especially the goddamn rat ones

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VaultBoyNewVegas 12 points 3 years ago

It's the text ones for me. I struggle to read the font on some of them so I can't tell the difference between a capital letter or a lowercase one so now if they've the text reader for blind/partially sighted people I'll use that.

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user224 6 points 3 years ago

I believe you haven't met the Yandex Captcha. I don't know anyone who passed that.

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Appoxo 1 point 3 years ago

I had much (not) fun with the ones on the Sony/Playstation page.
Somezhibg with alligning a 3d object with a specified direction.

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crandlecan 1 point 3 years ago

Huh?

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Slow 5 points 3 years ago

I hate these captcha. You look at the picture, the edge of the traffic light or the motorcycle goes outside the box. You decide to click on the square where this tiny part of the image is and the message “This is incorrect!”.

Captcha without images from Cloudflare is even more infuriating. The so-called “Connection reliability check” takes quite a long time and this captcha appears often.

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Jimmycrackcrack 4 points 3 years ago

In my experience the least thorough interpretation seems to be the most accepted.

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Slow 1 point 3 years ago
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Rekonok 4 points 3 years ago

I cry, rage, yell then I refresh the the captcha

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OverthinkingCAPTCHAs 2 points 3 years ago

story of my life…

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Daedskin 2 points 3 years ago

This is how I approach these: that square only has a single traffic light, not multiple traffic lights like the prompt is asking for

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Sidyctism 2 points 3 years ago

Most of the time, it works if you just select the 3 most fitting ones

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ch00f 2 points 3 years ago

It's actually checking your mouse movement to see if it looks natural or robotic. You can get a few wrong and it'll still pass you.

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Sidyctism 3 points 3 years ago

How does that work with touchscreens though? Since you arent dragging your mouse across the screen. Does it then fully fall back on the pictures?

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ch00f 1 point 3 years ago

It might fall back on the actual images in that instance. Captchas are a lot more advanced now. The ones where you just click “I am not a robot” use cookies to track your browser history and make sure it looks organic. Identifying images alone has gotten too easy.

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someguy3 1 point 3 years ago

Oh is that why there's no shift click ability?

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jackpot 1 point 3 years ago

in my experience, only click stuff if it mainly in that frame

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darth_tiktaalik 1 point 3 years ago
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lowleveldata -3 points 3 years ago

That's the frame of the lights so no

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