I've heard a lot of people want to change app names. Which I'm totally fine with! I've heard a lot of love for the name "Voyager"
So, thoughts? Do you prefer renaming? Do you like the name "Voyager"? Any other good ideas?
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I've heard a lot of people want to change app names. Which I'm totally fine with! I've heard a lot of love for the name "Voyager"
So, thoughts? Do you prefer renaming? Do you like the name "Voyager"? Any other good ideas?
Comment below!
Lemmy Excursion Module!
That has a very nice ring to it.
As far as I’m aware wefwef.app is Lemmy-only.
My vote for LEM. Short, crisp, and fun.
Voyager is the name of the default testing instance for the Lemmy project AFAIK. Having two things in the Lemmy-verse called Voyager will be confusing.
Wefwef is nice for SEO and unique, so i don’t mind it, but like you said—i don’t know how to pronounce it.
My suggestion would be “Mooshuck”. Sounds fun, is easy to pronounce, doesn’t have any well-known project with that spelling, and means “little mouse” in Sanskrit. This would be keeping in line with Lemmy and Jerboa which are little rodents.
I like the name lunar too.
If there is a new name, I hope that the new name is space-themed, given that this app is inspired by Apollo.
Voyager
I quite like Voyager continuing Apollo’s space program theme.
Another option in tribute to Apollo is “Delphi”.
Delphi is the site of the Temple of Apollo and was an ancient sacred precinct and the seat of Pythia, the major oracle who was consulted about important decisions throughout the ancient classical world. The ancient Greeks considered the centre of the world to be in Delphi.
As well as the links to Apollo, Delphi’s history is of a community sanctuary and a central source of wisdom.
The term Delphi is more unique than Voyager so it will be more searchable and should be easier to secure a domain name.
Here are a few interesting quotes from the Delphi Temple of Apollo wiki:
The Temple of Apollo, was a major part of the Panhellenic religious sanctuary located in Central Greece at Delphi. The temple and sanctuary at large were dedicated to one of the major Greek deities, Apollo.
Within the ancient Greek world, Delphi was considered the center of the universe, marked by the omphalos, or "navel", of the Earth that was located in Apollo's sacred temple. The Temple of Apollo at Delphi was perceived as an incredibly sacred site, considered a major center of ancient Greek religious practice and belief as well as a place intimately connected to the gods.
The exterior of the temple was also decorated with metopes, with five major depictions of gods and heroes being victorious over monsters, a mirroring of Apollo's defeat of Python during the mythological founding of the Temple of Apollo at Delphi.
The priestesses of Apollo, known as the Pythia, served as the oracle for the Temple of Apollo at Delphi. Greeks and non-Greeks alike would go to the Temple of Apollo at Delphi from across the Mediterranean and beyond to consult the Pythia on a variety of different topics, ranging from the state level like the establishment of new colonies to the personal level like marriage, children, and health.
Please take this vote for Voyager. It's a nice nod to Apollo, and it is a real word that people are familiar with.
wefwef is unique, easy to remember and easy to type. If you search for it, it’s already on page 1.
You hit all the markers for a good brand. That will be hard to recreate with an ancient god name.
Keep it.
This. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
Wef wef
it's not easy to remember. I saw a post about it and went back later to check out the app and I kept thinking "mew mew" or "wep wep"
I legitimately forgot the name while typing this comment and had to make sure it's not actually "wep wep"
Not really, this is barely starting period and the page number 1 post you're talking about is mine where I suggest changing the name to Voyager lol.
For me the GitHub repo is on page one.
I’m gonna vote for wefwef over voyager. It’s much more unique and googleable. Voyager is gonna turn up Star Trek and a bunch of other generic stuff. Go for something unique!!
I didn’t think about this and holy hell it’s a good point.
Awhile back I was looking for a band who had the misfortune of using a name that is ungooglable many years before google existed.
Was almost impossible to find anything.
!!! fans lol
I personally am down for the name change. Voyager sounds much more iconic and is easier to pass on verbally than wef wef. It’s also better to make such a change as early as possible to avoid confusion for newcomers.
I don’t like wefwef, mostly because of that (and how it looks like a sex term), but while Voyager sounds cool it has no uniqueness. And while it’s nice to reference Apollo, the entire design already does, the name doesn’t need to. That said I back “LEM” since it does relate, and also relates to Lemmy.
I'm curious, what do you mean by the verbal part?
why? what's bad about calling something wefwef? it's just a few repeating sounds. seriously I don't get it.
No, I like the name wefwef! It is a perfectly fine name, it's unique to your project, granting you immediate recogniza- and googlability, and honestly, I don't understand most people advocating for a change. God forbid we had an app or service name that was a bit fun and unique for once! No, let's change the project name just as it's getting popular, confusing everyone and hurting your Google rank, just to have another bland and boring name instead that's completely forgettable and shared by hundreds of other things! Are most of these commenters, like, 12, and still at an age where it's very very important that your friends perceive you as using only what's a child's idea of "cool" stuff? I honestly can't think of any other reason. Name it Awesome Monster App then!
So, no, in short keep it at wefwef! Lowercase and fun pronunciation and all! And for next year's April Fool's, announce a big name change, and then reveal that name to be "weewee", just to fuck with all the haters. Wefwef is the best app/service name in years!
Just my two cents.
Very true. The name is instantly recognisable, that’s important
Wefwef is kinda silly but it has the SEO for it, nothing else on the net will not be the app right?
If I googled voyager I’m picturing some Star Trek results n other random shit (thinking of new people googling or searching the App Store)
Phoebus is cool, but might run into generic SEO and like Tildes……’howd ya say it IRL? Feeebus?? Foe-bus’
Good you can add a slogan: wefwef - save your right hand for more important tasks ;-)
Honestly I like the name wefwef. It is easily searchable especially when it is not exactly easy to search things across the Fediverse.
I feel the same way, liked the sound of Voyager but wefwef has a better back story. Wefwef is also more unique.
Yeah but try saying it out loud, then imagine trying to recommend it to someone. They’re gonna think you just barked at them.
Will you make it an app or will it be web based forever?
Let’s hope so!
Time to retcon a meaning for it now, if you're going to keep it. I'm really enjoying using it and the name is incidental, but I love a good invented mythology too.
Changing now would not be a good idea. There’s a bunch of Apollo users looking for a new home (I’m in this group) and we’re all hearing about how great wefwef is.
Changing the name risks confusing people and missing new users.
Voyager 🤘
🛰️
I like wefwef it is unique, fitting and you already have brand requisition.
Voyager is fine but extremely generic and quite boring. You also have to fight for search results with a lot bigger and more famous players sharing the name.
I think wefwef is original and fun. Keep it!
wefwef is decent, it's already got some tractions and recognitions, the SEO is already there as well. The logo on the other hand can use some works.
Totally fair!
This one has been proposed: https://github.com/aeharding/wefwef/pull/71/files
Nooo! Please keep the current one!
The proposed one is a bit cartoony, not sure how it would look like on real device though. It's okay to experiment with different kinds of Logos, corporations do it all the time.
Yeah unique and weird names bring memory retention and invokes curiosity to attract new users.
I like voyager. I’m for it.
The name wefwef is silly but that’s fine with me too. It’s probably silly because I don’t get it.
You could call it TitFart and I’d be stoked as fuck that it exists.
I think a bigger concern would be that Voyager already exists as a Crypto App with a significant amount of downloads.
In the spirit of Apollo, other possible names could be Artemis, Soyuz, Phoebus, Orion, Helios, etc. There’s no shortage of space programs/deities to pick from.
My understanding was that Apollo was a reference to the moon missions of the same name, and thus, Voyager would be referencing Voyager 1 and 2, sticking with that space vibe. Was I looking at it wrong/misinterpreting it?
But yeah, the crypto thing is a bit of an issue, but I think that one, this being a web app, and two, it being a VERY different thing means that the likelihood of confusion is quite low, and those who do accidentally get the other one will instantly know something’s off. Just my take.
You’re correct. To quote Christian himself, “ Reddit is kinda space themed -> app helps you explore Reddit -> spaceships help you explore space -> thus app is a spaceship -> Apollo is a cool spaceship name
I like the God of Knowledge answer too”
Artemis is the double-whammy as in Greek mythology she is the sister to Apollo, and the Artemis program is also the successor to the Apollo program; bringing human space exploration back to the moon.
Similarly Soyuz was the Soviet equivalent to the Apollo program, though I understand that might come with some unwanted political baggage.
Orion is also a Greek deity, and the Orion spacecraft is used in the current Artemis program.
Helios and Phoebus are other Greek equivalents of Apollo. (Other possibilities could be Ra, Utu(g), Amun, Mithra, etc.)
I also saw someone mention LEM (for lunar excursion module) which I think is genius, if not a bit confusing with lemmy, especially for folks new to the whole federated internet thing
It’s already taken by another lemmy app
Doesn't matter tbh, it could just be named as Voyager LM and that would serve as distinct enough.
Wefwef is just fine.
I mean Lemmy is named after Lemmywinks, the gerbil that went up Mr. Slave’s ass in South Park, so Wefwef is a great choice in comparison.
Am I the only one who doesn't know what wefwef stands for?
I believe the Dev said it isn’t an acronym, it’s just where he found his hands placed on his keyboard one day, the WEF keys.
I did ask GPT-4 to make an acronym for it anyways, and got:
W- Web
E- Enhanced
F- Fediverse
W- Webapp
E- Explorer
F- Framework
As someone using it, it sounds like some kind of anime porn app.
thats a lot of scrolling
it stands for the app. that's literally all it stands for. I don't understand why that would be a bad thing though.
Change it if you want but “Voyager” sounds like some corporate nothing app named by bean pushers and commitees.
Team wefwef represent! Uniqueness is hard to come by. Let’s not blend into everything else by changing it!
If yes, maybe something to think about doing further down the track when there’s not a huge amount of migration. Every post directing new users to wefwef will become obsolete and so the app will be harder to find.
I personally love the name wefwef.
I think wefwef is a silly name and I’m surprised that so many people in the comment section like it, because I find the name to be cringeworthy (sorry).
But of course, I will still continue to use this app regardless of what it’s called, just like I still use DuckDuckGo as my search engine, despite it having a ridiculous name lol.
Having a silly and unique name helps the app in peoples memory retention. Imagine if it was edgy but forgettable. Nobody will remember it and it won't stand out amongst the multitude of lemmy apps being developed at the moment.
Wewef also invoke curiosity.
"What the hell is a wefwef?"
*searches google
I respectfully disagree with you on the memorability of the name.
I would respectfully suggest that if someone hears the name of this app for the first time, and then had to mention it a week later, they might think “oh what was that silly name of the Lemmy app? Was is wepwep? wiffwaff?”… whereas I would find Voyager to be more memorable, and there isn’t confusion as to how it is spelled.
That being said, there is one area where I concede that wefwef would be a better name than Voyager, and that is SEO (search engine optimisation). If you type “wefwef” into Google (well I prefer to use DuckDuckGo lol), then you’ll find the web app on the first page, whereas searching “Voyager” will give you lots of Star Trek stuff to scroll past.
So if I were making the case for the name wefwef, I would argue the SEO aspect rather than the memorability aspect.
Not to mention you'd probably run in to that Voyager app that is a crypto exchange / wallet.
Agree to disagree then. In any case what name it takes, is just second in importance to the usability it provides. And I'm all for that, no matter what it will be called.
Fair enough.
And yes, I agree that the quality of the app itself is more important than the app’s name.
Not to mention you'd probably run in to that Voyager app that is a crypto exchange / wallet.
Honestly I don't understand this take. I mean we all just came from a site called "Reddit". How does that have anything to do with if we use it or not? And caring about if it's a "cool" name or not, and then suggesting something super generic and boring... seriously, how old are people who think that way? Are you all twelve, and worried about what your friends will think about you when you're using weirdly-named apps? Who would give a fuck?
And I want to make it clear that I don't just object to the argument of choosing another blander name, but to the the notion itself that having boring, unimaginative, derivative, bland and sanitized branded names somehow would be better than unique ones. How simple-minded and devoid of all fantasy and joy and frankyl, a sad life that must be to think that!
Well I honestly don’t understand your take lol. Tell me if I’m misunderstanding something, but you seem to be holding two contradictory views at the same time.
On one hand, you are saying that it doesn’t matter what the app is called. You point out that we previously used a site called ‘Reddit’ and that didn’t have anything to do if we used it or not. You insulted the people who care about the app name by suggesting that they might be 12 year olds who were worried what their friends might think……
And yet, at the same time, you also very strongly hold the view that the app name can’t be a boring/bland name. You went off on a rant about how anyone who does like a so-called “boring” name (well, boring according to you) must be “simple-minded and devoid of all fantasy and joy” and that these people must live sad lives…… But this contradicts your first point about how the name of the app doesn’t matter.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but you seem to be criticising others for caring about the app name whilst simultaneously also caring about the app name yourself. So the next time you argue that an app name sounds too generic and boring, someone might reply “Are you twelve, and worried about what your friends will think about you when you're using an app with a boring name? Who would give a f***?”
What?? This is the second time I'm seeing "wefwef" and I swore it was a typo the first time I saw it. Plz don't tell me that's the name of the biggest Lemmy app...
I like WefWef. like someone else mentioned, it makes me think of a little puppy learning to growl or bark, lol. Mostly though, its6 unique, easy to type, and gloriously well suited to finding via search engines. If you google "wefwef", the top result is your app's Github project, and the next few results are about the app as well. If you change to something like "Voyager", theres an awful lot of competition for those search results. It'll get buried under results about the space project and Star Trek. On a personal level aside from that, I'd vote for staying wefwef myself.
I love Voyager! I think it’s a great name for an Apollo inspired app.
Skylab (the NASA program that came after Apollo)
Voyager is the one I like best
Weffy isn't bad if you want to keep the original name alive!
This gets my vote
Voyager goes well with the influx of refugees needing a new home
Wefwef is a silly name - sent by wefwef
I’m fine with Wefwef but I wish I knew what it meant.
I really like the name „voyager“ as an Hommage to Apollo
Seems like Voyager is a hit...
... but, I do offer another series of suggestions:
Those are some ideas! Hopefully some of this is helpful!
Artemis is taken by @ArtemisApp
Maybe don’t name your app a literal god that is part of an existing religion with millions of adherents.
Please let it be this one
My vote for wefwef since it‘s unique and snappy.
I prefer Wefwef, especially the dog barking sound. As an alternative I propose Lemlem - which sounds like a dog drinking.
I like voyager for Star Trek vibes.
+1 for Voyager
why would people care about the name that much? to me it sounds like a linux CLI command. I mean, "grep" is a funky word too... but that doesn't mean I won't use grep when I have to pipe text around in the CLI! what a funny notion, honestly.
Another vote for a new name here. Voyager For Lemmy is good, but anything else also works. Recommending "WefWef" out loud to anyone is just silly, especially in other languages.
I like Voyager since it's a web app too, like it can "voyage" to any platform. Or even referring to federation, you can "voyage" between instances.
It's also completely boring, derivative, and not unique in ans way. There's hundreds of things called Voyager, from space probes over (space) ships to night clubs and mythological beings and... just no. Wefwef on the other hand is great, it's unique, it's fun, it's easily pronounceable, but most of all, it's memorable.
Voyager sounds safer overall, but wefwef is cute and should be kept somewhere
I don’t many Wefwef. I’ve heard much worse.
That said, if you are going to change it, do it now and move on.
Someone already owns voyager.com - naming a product can be difficult these days as most common names are taken.
I don't think should is the right word. I personally don't like the name much as it somehow sounds just off-putting to me (it doesn't read like a puppy sound, maybe because I am not a native English speaker). And there is clearly something to it as this is the only app where people are discussing changing the name. Even Jerboa seems to be safe from it even though the name sounds a bit weird.
Voyager seems way nicer and professional to me.
I have no problem with wefwef (although, yes, if it was supposed to read like a puppy sound I didn't get that at all), but if you change it I would not go with Voyager since it is too generic. If you google that, you get lots of hits already (mostly NASA and Star Trek, on my end), so it may make it harder for people to find it?
NCC-1701. No bloody A, B, C, or D.
I guess I should have come up with a Voyager reference. My mind went to Star Trek ships
I like Voyager. Definitely prefer that to the current name.
I honestly don’t care what it’s called. I have no idea what wefwef means or even how to pronounce it. I appreciate the work done to make it for us though.
Wefwef ftw!
But wouldn't that damage your.. brand recognition, so to speak? When someone doesn't know you've changed your name and therefore can't find you, they'll assume you don't exist anymore.
Nvm all that, they'll learn. ;)
Voyager sounds way, way better than Wefwef, plus it's in the same theme as Apollo, so that's great!
I would love to have it as Voyager, because the app seems to be Apollo's spiritual successor so might as well embrace the identity. Also, seeing that there are concerns that Voyager is taken by X or Y the simple addition of LM to the name should make distinct and free from any attachments. So:
Voyager LM
I cast my vote
+1 for Voyager, things are still young and evolving.
Voyager sounds like an excellent name mate, much easier to tell new people. "hey Reddit is shit, download voyager instead"
App name isn't important to me, I'll use it under any name. Voyager does sound cool though, I think it's a good choice.
Great work on the app BTW, I really like it! Thank you, you're making the transition a lot easier
Something like Voyager as suggested would be much more friendly to new users
Though personally I like both.
Yes god yes! Anything but wefwef lol. Voyager sounds great.
I like the name voyager, i think you should go for it
Voyager is great
I like the name, to be honest
Voyager sounds good, if I were making an Apollo like app I’d also be tempted to call it Starbuck or Athena.
Although if you want to stand out, I’d also like to throw Interface into the ring as it is the interface for Lemmy.
Voyager, absolutely.
Apollo went by many different names if you wanna go down that route: https://en.wikipedia.org/...
It's a web app, not platform specific. Just go to wefwef.app with your preferred browser and add it to your home screen.
I like Interstellar more. It fits the fediverse because every instance is its own "galaxy" which can be "lightyears" away in the physical world, but like the movie, we're all connected through the "dimension" of the Internet.
wefwef is unique as an identity and the all lowercase styling makes it even more so.
I vote for wefwef and hopes it remains that way!
I'm not against wefwef, but it sounds a bit silly. I like voyager, but in the end I think that the final word should be that of @aeharding
I'm not against wefwef, but it sounds a bit silly.
You reduced my comment for stating the same.
Also - Is this the first instance of #thisyou on the fediverse?
It's a PWA (progressive web app). If you open the site on Chrome, then go to the Settings -> Install page, it should show some instructions on how to add the page to your home screen. Upon doing so, the next time you open it from the newly added icon, it should open in its own window looking like an app as opposed to a tab on Chrome
No problem at all. Hopefully you're all set. But just in case, here's a short video with similar steps https://youtube.com/...
What about Lappy?
It's similar to Lemmy, but with 'app' in the middle.
Voyager is nice
For now… the dev has stated that it’s really easy to convert it into a full-fledged app.
https://lemmy.world/comment/613930
So, my hypothetical scenario is not that far-fetched!
Voyager I think fits nicely for a Kbin app. Especially since the whole idea behind the platform is it is decentralized and federated. When you think about it, what are you doing, but exploring that open web -taking a voyage.
Voyager sounds good to me.
1st vote would be Phoebus
2nd would be Voyager.
If people want to a change on name, you better do it now than later when people feel attached to "lemmy".
just "wef"
Name is good woof woof haha
Voyager, Vger 🖖, Delphi
How about Ratatouille?
I like the name voyager, i think you should go for it
Could you make a theme like on Apollo-default(the kind of blue that isn’t spaghett) please?
How about "Ruck Feddit"?
You're gonna lose all momentum and be harder to find if you change the name.
@lemmy.world
wefwef is now Voyager! Subscribe to !voyagerapp@lemmy.world.
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@lemmy.world
wefwef is now Voyager! Subscribe to !voyagerapp@lemmy.world.
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I like Voyager! Much better than Wefwef.
I could also see LEM for Lunar Excursion Module, the technical name of the lunar lander during the Apollo missions (a nice nod to Apollo app). Also has the benefit of being similar to Lemmy.
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