I'm happy to see .world growing for this reason. There has to be a neutral ground for everyone. The gatekeeping of communities like Beehaw are fine for them, but in order for the lemmy to grow, it has to be shapeable by the community. Moderation screening, content rigidity, and walled gardens are antithetical to the type of social network that people are looking for as a replacement to Reddit. The community has to be allowed to make the place its own.

Edit: For the record, I'm perfectly aware they plan to refederate once they get their "moderation" tools. I just question what tools they deem sufficient to permit refederation. Moderation tools on Lemmy will be extremely powerful thanks to votes being public, and I don't trust admins of some of these instances to be responsible or fair with them, or to only use them on the most toxic elements. Petty, groundless shadowbanning and admin "curation" is going to plague Lemmy going forward, mark my words. That's why we need some neutral ground.

Can you (or anyone else) explain the circumstances around them defederating? More specifically, why would they do that, and what exactly is their benefit?

I was going to ask, is there a place where I can go in like pitch in some money or something to help with the server? I want to keep this place running and I want to do what I can to help

Maybe ony Lemmy.world's registration page thay can list other instances that they trust and endorse.

I stumbled into lemmy disoriented and just went with lemmy.ca because I always want to support 'local' domains. I'm surprised people go for for something like '.world' tbh. Although, I think your logic makes sense I also know how little people read and its safer to say people just signed up for the instance that was the path of least resistance (low application threshold, links guiding them in, etc)

Me just now - Oh that's a good idea! (Looks up the instances near me and sees the names) Oh, that's right. I live in conservative hell. :(

I'll go a little further and find a less crazy instance...

I only have Mastodon instances near me. Can Mastodon instances browse Lemmy instances?

It would be helpful if they would allow you to filter by which instances allow sign ups. Unless I’m just not seeing it.

Kia ora, Greetings from another lemmy.nz user!

Similar-ish for me. Although not speed, just saw lemmy.ca and couldn't not support the 'local' domain. Understanding the fediverse enough to know I can still access it all (for the msot part) helped.

That wouldn't be good either if third parties are still funnelling new users to lemmy.world. They'll see a "sign ups closed" message, assume there is only one forum and it's closed, then go back to Reddit.

I'm new, but slightly less so, and haven't yet found a way to migrate my account to a new instance. But it's also fairly trivial to just create a new account on another instance, especially when you don't yet have a ton of subscriptions or much of a reply history to lose. Lemmy doesn't have a running karma like reddit did, so it's not like you're even losing fake internet points in the process.

I think there was word that they were going to add that functionality at some point.

I don't think you can migrate, since if that was possible your "karma" would also be able to move with you. People have been asking for that recently, but others have been saying that the Lemmy software doesn't support that.

I think the best thing you can do is make a new account on a new instance and look back at the rest of the fediverse from that instance.

I'm new as well but from what I can tell you make an account on each individual instance as though they were all separate websites.

The way I heard it explained is that it's like email. If you want to send an email from Gmail or Yahoo, you can do both and they can interact with one another, but what you're able/allowed to do is different on each.

I think the best approach might be general subject-specific instances? Like, video.games with a main games community, meme community, then smaller communities for various games - or sports.social, with communities for each sport.

I feel like we're going to end up with a particular community on a particular instance ending up as the "default" community for that subject, but it'd probably be better (in an ideal world) to have those on separate instances to maintain some degree of decentralization

I know that it's inevitable, but the signup flow should try to weaken that effect instead of contribute to it. An example of how not to do it is Mastodon's old homepage which led to only one instance, mastodon.social, to "make onboarding easier".

I have a "when I stop being bad at web development" project idea for this, hopefully someone who has a development background can pick it up.

The idea is an open-source onboarding portal that takes all Lemmy instances from awesome-lemmy-instances and Kbin instances from FediDB and lets their admins tag their instances with what the instance is focused on, maybe through a dedicated community or something. This list of instances and tags is public so instances can't cheat the system with fake tags or get secretly blacklisted just because the project maintainer disagrees with them.

Users get directed to the portal and fill out a quiz with questions like "what are your hobbies", "do you prefer strict or lax moderation", and get matched to a list of the closest servers and recommended communities. There will also be a simple load balancing algorithm to make large instances less likely to be recommended. Of course, because it's open source, the algorithm and list of instances can be changed if someone wants to host their own portal.

Basically, something like Spread Mastodon that covers the entire known network and not just a few of the largest instances that are approved by mastodon.social.

Find instances on https://join-lemmy.org

Find subs (communities) on https://browse.feddit.de

In a community, whether if it’s online or your local club or just society in general, it requires admin/moderator/judges/law enforcement etc. to put in hard work to create rules and order so everything function smoothly. In a sense, the “order” they create here can be treated as a commodity.

A user can do things that helps out the moderators and create order (e.g. taxes, volunteering), or break rules and cause chaos, which “consumes” order (e.g. criminal activity, riots, trolling etc.) . Order consumers refers to people who consumes more order than they create.

E: typo

Where the_donald migrates to after they left reddit

Yeah same. When the network errors level out it will be better as well. For example anytime I comment I see an error but it actually posts.

Lol same here. I've actively upvoted and commented more then I've ever had. I really want this place to work and trying to be the change I wanna see

Me too. Has more of a small town feel. Usually, because I’m in Australia, my comments are buried and never get replied to because the US is sleeping. Here, people are actually engaging. Loving it so far.

Wish the sorting worked a little better in wefwef so I’m not scrolling past the same posts each time, but otherwise feels like the reddit I joined 16 years ago (or slightly thereafter when comments were added)

Same. I mostly lurked on Reddit. I’ve been way more engaged here.

Another “same” from me. I’m really trying to not lurk as much as I did on Reddit. Every bit of engagement helps.

Same. I mostly lurked on Reddit. I’ve been way more engaged here.

What kinds of posts do you comment on? I’m finding it a bit difficult to find always active communities and discussions, which is the only thing preventing me from commenting as much as I used to with Apollo. Things like tipofmytongue, cringe, IsitBullshit, and outoftheloop along with movie and tv discussions were my frequent haunts, particularly when I can’t sleep at night, but sadly I’m not finding the same amount of engagement here. Hopefully as we grow we can find that same level of engagement.

Lol same here. I've actively upvoted and commented more then I've ever had. I really want this place to work and trying to be the change I wanna see

No take backs :)

/r/rimjobsteve wait...

Omg…. What a typo! I’m leaving it.

I think we might..

There are NSFW instances for that

How did you do italics by the way?

So much so you said it twice!

That's understandable, I think my (and many other refugee adopters) are just trying to figure out how the fediverse works and how instances communicate with each other. If I have a .world account I can pull threads from the other Lemmy servers, can I cross the streams into something like Mastodon too?

I'd rather not be called a lemming tbh. Especially during these times online

That's why I'm here. Just opened the app for the first time since the beginning of the month and was sent here. It's a bit strange, but I'm sure I'll figure it out.

3PA?

I didn't know RIF sent peeps here, but funnily enough I was a RIF user and now I'm here.

Will the folks at RIF make an app?

Sync is also sending users here

Federation makes usernames a lot less rare.

We don't really want any one instance getting too big, it betrays the goal of the fediverse which is decentralization. Lemmy will never become a viable if everyone jumps to [insert flagship instance] and the admin is stuck with a thousands of dollars bill every month.

Yes donate to the instance your using, but don't get tied to an account until there's a way to migrate them. Ideally join something a little smaller to share the load. You have to rethink the capitalistic "there can be only one" mindset if you delve into the fediverse.

Seems like they have a decent clip of donations so far. But if they need to sell memberships or put up some innocuous banner ads to keep the service free, I'm okay with that too.

I haven’t seen any official posts linking to the Patreon made since this influx. People lurking aren't very likely to think about it and seek that out. If it becomes a problem then I think making some sort of official announcement encouraging donations would go a long way. I personally already donated to the Patreon.

I think people would be willing to but I'm not seeing any links being passed around by the admin

Federation addresses the cost of large scale hosting by allowing smaller severs (with less users) to connect and form a greater whole. While a flagship Lemmy instance will form and likely already has with .world, in an ideal world users are spread across variety of different instances. In an even more ideal, different topics will have their own instances and general purpose ones are secondary. If you want anime you to to lemmyime, if you want recipes you to lemmecipes. Not, if you want anime and recipes go to lemmy.world. Essentially you want to spread the burden as evenly as possible.

With instances closing, as it stands you lose your account and all things tied to it. Lemmy is still new and I image this will be addressed with something like account migration. So for now, don't get too attached to any singular account. I've recently switched my browsing from lemmy.world to lemm.ee, but remember I still have access to all content from lemmy.world and other instances (addressing your point about more content and engagement).

It's perfectly fine to use large instances, they're likely to have solid footing. Just know there's going to be growing pains as Reddit becomes more shite. Donate if you can.

The first two points could be answered better by other people than me, since I'm not super sure on them either. But the third one is basically that. You can subscribe to all other instances' communities regardless of which community you make an account on, so the lemmy model/fediverse itself is the solution/answer to how distributing wouldn't make you lose any data. As long as even one person from your instance is subscribed to a particular community on a particular instance, that content will show up on your instance too, it's basically instances that subscribe to each other. Having bigger instances doesn't really affect on the amount of in-house content as much as the costs of keeping up with it.

Use your local country, I used Lemmy.ca

FMHY works fine and it allows nsfw which is always nice.

Thirding Wefwef.app. It doesn’t have all the extra features but it looks exactly like Apollo, which I’m missing too. Type in wefwef.app and when you’re on the website, hit share, then add to homepage. It basically turns into an app once you use it from the app icon. Hope it scratches a little of the itch while we all mourn haha.

Check out wefwef, it's just like Apollo UX-wise.

@khajimak @RatzChatsubo WefWef is pretty similar but it’s a webapp. I’m using the beta for Memmy and have liked it a lot so far, similar to Apollo but not an exact clone

There is like 5 apps I think available on android.

Connect for Lemmy had almost daily updates and is pretty usable already

I'm reading this on Liftoff. I would say there are several apps, with more on the way. But they are all very new, with varying levels of functionality and maturity.

What happens if, through no fault of their own, an instance that a user has been investing their time in decides to rift against the other instances? In the future there could be many disconnected factions of Lemmy instances and users struggling to manage several different accounts if they want to see content across them? In that case they may also see many duplicates as people cross post across the disconnected instances?

Email analogy is good to explain the systems architecture, but it still doesn't communicate ethics of proper use (decentralization). Just look how many people have gmail or outlook as their mail account.

I'm starting to realize that it's only the links that are decentralized and not, what I'd hoped for but was maybe obvious, my data/account.

I've asked over at !fediverse@lemmy.world if anyone can register any nickname on any instance - essentially spoofing a user but on a different instance. Or if a username is "taken" across the fediverse.

Edit: anyone can register any ones username on a different instance. Spoofing/scamming isn't handled very good?
Edit2: post and comment data is federated too, so your posts won't dissappear, but might dis-converge(?) into multiple versions depending on things? :) This post helped me understand some of it: https://lemmy.world/comment/205763

I’m experimenting hosting my own instance, not to build communities, just as a “gateway” to federate to other instances, in case one of them is unreachable, I still get posts from the ones which are still available. When lemmy.world clogged up a few hours ago, I couldn’t see posts from lemmy.ml since basic operations on lemmy.world timeouted and my feed couldn’t be loaded. Am I using Lemmy wrong, or are these galaxy brain moves (honest question)?

Just noticed that, my repeated comments can't be helping the servers... Oops

Your post gave me the incentive to finally replace Chrome. Doing that tonight. Too bad I'm on Android and can't uninstall Chrome.

I used to be a big user of Firefox, but I have a lower end device and I've found that Brave seems to work better. Not a fan of using a Google browser, but I was getting frustrated by my user experience.

New Reddit who dis?

New Reddit who dis?