If today, I wonder if the US would be more reluctant to get involved in that war, considering how seemingly half the country wish Hitler were their president.
ImplyingImplications 105 points 3 years ago
More reluctant? It's arguable that if Japan did not directly attack the US they never would have joined. "America First" was a powerful political group that urged elected officials and the public to stay out of European wars even if Hitler took over all of Europe. America First disbanded after Pearl Harbor. Fun fact: Dr. Seuss got his start parodying this group in political cartoons.
TheSanSabaSongbird 6 points 3 years ago
Also worth noting that the two largest ethnicities in the US at the time were Irish and German Americans. With the famine still in living memory as well as Ireland's independence being relatively recent, Irish-Americans were not very keen on helping the British Empire. (Ireland itself maintained neutrality throughout the war, largely for this reason.) Similarly, German-Americans --many of whom still spoke German at home and in their day to day lives-- weren't very stoked about going to war against Germany.
Left-leaning communities like Lemmy want to have it the way that the US recalcitrance in getting involved in the war was only about good old fashioned American racism, but the real history is much more complicated. It turns out that while Nazi sympathizers did play a role, the politics were fraught in many other ways as well. The Irish and German American constituencies were too big to simply be ignored by the politicians in power, regardless of what their own sympathies may have been.
FlyingSquid 61 points 3 years ago
I'm not sure if they want it more now or wanted it more then. This is a Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden in New York City in 1939:
Phrodo_00 29 points 3 years ago
I don't know. A lot of ideas about eugenics came from the US to Nazi Germany. US' support of allies was more political than ideological, and that in turn changed US ideology. Also, death camps which are the automatically objectionable act weren't known (or maybe weren't happening yet, I'm hazy on this) before Pearl Harbor.
isthingoneventhis 8 points 3 years ago
It's so fucking wild that Germany just ends up getting used as a scapegoat, so we can blame someone else in the history books, and gloss over one's own country's eugenics programs.
lugal 7 points 3 years ago
And we Germans embrace it fully. We build our modern nationalism on our commemorative culture and the "never again" and how not patriotic we are (paradoxically). So much so that we forget our colonial history. In 1904, we did the first genocide of the century (the Herero and Namaqua genocide) but all we talk about in history classes is Hitler.
Szymon 11 points 3 years ago
We have that opinion now because the west took in and harboured all the smart Nazi's that did the research and developed the technology.
The problem wasnt Nazi policies, the problem was destabilized world order. Leaders easily look the other way on moral issues when power is at stake.
FlyingSquid 2 points 3 years ago
I always think of that line in the movie The Right Stuff where they're talking about whether the Soviets or the Americans had saved the right Nazi scientists and Von Braun says, "our Germans are better than their Germans."
FlyingSquid 13 points 3 years ago
Nah, that's mean to the Nazis. Republicans love Nazis now.
youCanCallMeDragon 10 points 3 years ago
And then realized that hitler was actually a pretty good guy, the best guy, not better than me, but really great. The whole thing was a hoax though, a witch hunt, blah blah, A lot of really good people on both sides, blah blah, poisoning the blood of our country, blah blah Jewish space lasers.
tygerprints 1 point 3 years ago
Well... he had a nice little mustache. Probably many other parts of his body were very little also.
And after all, he helps make christmas festive in Hell for satan, so how bad could he really have been?
RGB3x3 28 points 3 years ago
I wasn't taught much from the "slavery is good" angle in GA. It was more subtle, framed as mostly information about the goods traded and what slaves produced for the countries they were in. Like, it was all about the slave trade industry and not how awful the conditions were.
Lots of information glossed over in favor of capitalism.
Faresh 19 points 3 years ago
I think TheJims was referencing the fact that Florida has recently added the explicit idea that slaves benefited from slavery (that they developed skills, for example, being one of the things they claim the slaves benefited from) to their curriculum.
youCanCallMeDragon 8 points 3 years ago
Yeah itâs a bit less than subtle now
HiddenLayer5 12 points 3 years ago
- God created everything 6000 years ago
veganpizza69 5 points 3 years ago
- The Moon landing was fake news
Someonelol 58 points 3 years ago
They wouldn't pass up on WWII since that's the last time we were honestly seen as the good guys to the world. The Cold War would probably be there too just to show "communism doesn't work".
Buddahriffic 21 points 3 years ago
WWII might be risky because some students might ask what specifically made the world consider the axis evil.
Thrashy 13 points 3 years ago
"Well, little Timmy, you may have heard some other things about that whcih we're not allowed to talk about, but the truth is that there were some Germans who believed ardently in the German state's rights to do, uh, ...stuff."
Stupidmanager 6 points 3 years ago
Youâd think they would want to talk about the Civil war too. That was a notable event in history where the democrat party of the time was the bad guys and wanted to keep slavery legal.
Uranium3006 2 points 3 years ago
Republicans won't teach about WWII because they lost
ClydapusGotwald 51 points 3 years ago
The moon landing wouldnât be up there in red states.
rockSlayer 20 points 3 years ago
It would be, but only to talk about how it was a waste of taxpayer money
ClydapusGotwald 6 points 3 years ago
True but depends how delusional they are. Some are further lost than others. Drinking the koolaid too much.
winterayars 4 points 3 years ago
Nawwwe, they're all flat earthers. No way they acknowledge it if they actually get their way.
partial_accumen 17 points 3 years ago
The moon landing wouldnât be up there in red states.
Of course it would. It is one of the few actually valid examples of American exceptionalism which nationalists absolutely require as the underpinnings to their myopic ethos. In addition to teaching the history of this wonderful achievement, it will also be taught how these events never actually took place to support their claims the government actively lies to the American people requiring action for citizens to "take back" the country. Questions for both viewpoints will be on the midterm, so remember to study.
If you're wondering how these two contradictory ideas can be taught in the same classroom, then remember in MAGA school the class taught immediately prior to history is "Learning to live with Cognitive Dissonance".
Uranium3006 1 point 3 years ago
It's not really cognitive dissonance, they just don't care about facts or truth. Words are just carrier waves for emotions and aren't the signal per se
HiddenLayer5 1 point 3 years ago
Nah now that other countries are expanding their space programs the Republicans would never pass up the chance to brag about how they were first to the moon if for nothing else than to put everyone else down.
Boiglenoight 32 points 3 years ago
1776*
*revised edition
CaptnNMorgan 5 points 3 years ago
What is the right wing version of 1776? Or is the joke that they will revise it? If that is the joke I'll delete this once someone tells me because explaining a joke is a sin I think. I'm just curious what their revisions are if it's real
Boiglenoight 9 points 3 years ago
The feeling is that they will remove the woke portion (read: enlightened) that drove it in the first place. That leaders just got mad and started fighting forâŚStates Rightsâ˘ď¸ and prayer in schools.
CaptnNMorgan 1 point 3 years ago
Oh wtf that's wild asf, I'm so curious what is actually going through people's heads who support this kind of thing. Unless it's all evil people which is what it seems like without thinking too much about it.
Boiglenoight 2 points 3 years ago
Itâs considered a righteous moment in American history. Americans that are backwards want to be on that side and will pervert and distort what happened until it reflects their point of view, values, and politics.
winterayars 31 points 3 years ago
No way they let people learn about the moon landing.
LEDZeppelin 28 points 3 years ago
Wait until they mandate teaching about Jan 6th tourist visit to the Capitol
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Uranium3006 1 point 3 years ago
The proud boys used the crowd as a distraction. They confused and occupied Capitol police while the proud boys went and broke a corner window that unlike most on the building was unreinforced and opened the door for the crowd. They brought plastic handcuffs and likely intended to take hostages
ThePantser 27 points 3 years ago
Moon landing was fake though, you can't teach something that is fake. /s
FlyingSquid 13 points 3 years ago
That's probably what they'll teach. That it was a fake liberal lie to undermine the glorious nation of Russia.
OpenStars 12 points 3 years ago
you canât teach something that is fake.
Uh... I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you can though. Here's a little example:
Africa is a shithole country. White people were kind to accept the slaves that Africans themselves provided, and civilized them. They even gave them sammiches sometimes!
There problem solved: now little Timmy doesn't have to feel guilty about being the oppressor anymore! :-P Next week we'll cover how chaining native Americans to (active) hot stoves in >100 degree temps in the desert will help teach them the true meaning of Christianity...
FlyingSquid 8 points 3 years ago
The scary thing is that I've heard the "we civilized the Africans" claim made seriously before.
OpenStars 4 points 3 years ago
Believe it or not, but the "we gave them sandwiches sometimes" statement has also been put forth as an argument for why slavery was not so bad. FOR REAL!
Some have even been proposing - unironically mind you - that we return to using it!? (To be clear, I mean slavery, not offering anyone sandwiches. In fact, anyone offering free sandwiches should just be sent to jail. I am not making that up either, it's a real thing somehow!?!? Despite what the Bible has to say about it, the "Bible-belt" states are making it illegal to offer food or water to the homelessđ)
Apparently they do not realize the truth that slavery has already been brought back -> there are more black people behind bars today than ever existed as slaves, and not always for "crimes" but sometimes trumped up charges in order to meet a quota, or minor offenses that a white person would be let off with a warning for (yes, many actual criminals too so hard to know the reality of the scope of the issues involved when so many falsehoods are mixed in along with the truths).
clifftiger 0 points 3 years ago
I think you missed to attach a link somewhere?
tygerprints 0 points 3 years ago
Maybe it wasn't so terrible for some slaves - who were still slaves, by the way. I've read that some of them had good relationships with their "masters," But - they were still not considered full human beings.
Slavery existed among African tribes for hundreds of years before white people started to get involved in it. In fact captured people from other tribes often became slaves to the winning tribes. I'm just saying that slavery isn't just a white-person creation.
And modern slavery does take the form of black on black violence, petty crime and people selling drugs to each other (drug addiction itself is a kind of slavery). You wonder if we've made any progress at all as human beings in the last few centuries.
tygerprints 2 points 3 years ago
What's scary and sad is, we haven't done anything to civilize them but we have done plenty to molest them with "christian" values such as bigotry and hate and religious nut jobbery. Africa is the cradle of all human civilization, and somehow we've devolved from there into tribal jerks and white nationalist scumbags.
tygerprints 1 point 3 years ago
God (who is white) forbid that little Timmy should ever be made to feel "uncomfortable" about the uncomfortable parts of human history. And why is it that today's kid's seem so molly-coddled and unconcerned about justice? Hmmm - it's a real puzzlement all right. And after all real "christianity" is about how tightly you put those little brains into braces so they can't be upset by reality.
OpenStars 1 point 3 years ago
I have heard that the younger generations are the opposite actually - b/c of having access to the internet and reading, they are being exposed at a younger age than ever before to things such as the fact that USA killed off the native Americans (genocidally murdering/raping/thieving/etc.), and also owned human beings. The parents ofc are freaking out, and trying to stop this "knowledge", or at least they say that they want to slow, and not expose little Timmy to things that he doesn't need to know about until he is older.
The odd part is that children are extremely resilient - they can accept death as natural, and the fact that this nation in its past has made some questionable (okay so fine: downright EVIL) choices - but it is the PARENTS that are the ones who cannot accept that.
The Baby Boomer generation in particular, I've noticed, seems to prefer this "let's pretend" attitude, perhaps as a result of growing up emotionally scarred from all the wars (WWII, Korea, Vietnam), they just want to pretend that everything is fine, even as the world burns (in some cases, literally) around them.
tygerprints 1 point 3 years ago
I'm not saying I think kids have to have their faces shoved into the ugly side of things, but I think kids ARE more knowledgeable these days and have greater access to the horrible truths about human slavery and such. And I think they should know about it - because being aware is how you stop from repeating the mistakes of history.
I also agree about kids being extremely resilient. They can take a LOT of facts into their heads, like sponges, and not be destroyed by such knowledge. Of course parents don't want to imagine their kids having to see or know about unpleasant stuff - but sometimes that's the way to teach examples of how we, as humans, have failed each other.
For example (as a Boomer myself), in driver's ed we had to watch gory accident movies filmed by the police, including things that would turn a hardcore horror fan's stomach. Nobody enjoyed (I HOPE) watching those things, but you can bet they scared some of us silly enough to be cautionary drivers and be more careful behind the wheel.
No, the truth isn't always beautiful, it can be harsh and disturbing. Yet not facing it always results in more bad outcomes.
BaroqueInMind -12 points 3 years ago
Africa is a continent. You can fit all of Europe as well as the entire United States inside of it. What you quoted is really fucking dumb.
thanks_shakey_snake 15 points 3 years ago
Ah good, so you understood the joke.
Alexstarfire 11 points 3 years ago
It wasn't meant to be intelligent.
tygerprints 1 point 3 years ago
It was a quote from trump - so, you know. Consider the source. He thinks Africa is a single country and people from there are pieces of shit. Of course, all non-white people are from shit hole countries, just ask him.
BaroqueInMind 1 point 3 years ago
Elon Musk is African-American. Makes sense Trump is retarded enough to mistake his allies for enemies. Hopefully they both lose everything, fuck billionaires.
tygerprints -13 points 3 years ago
I know it sounds nutty and delusional to say the moon landing was fake (and perhaps you're being facetious) but - I remember watching it back in 1969 and it seemed kinda fake on TV back then. I'm not saying one way or the other, but it seems awfully suspicious that we suddenly made it to the moon in time to beat the Russians back then, yet we don't really know today how to engineer a spacecraft to make a return flight from the moon (the hard part isn't getting there, it's getting back again). SOMETHING seems fishy about it all. Just sayin'!
IHeartBadCode 14 points 3 years ago
Just to interject here. For those wondering the actual thing holding up the lander and liftoff lunar vehicle is a really sore spot. Because whatâs stopping us isnât some technical challenge.
SpaceX owned by Elon Musk and Blue Origin owned by Jeff Bezos are having a spat over who gets to build the HLS. And the objecting and complaining to courts that NASA isnât being fair to (insert either of these players) has easily set back going back to the moon at least half a decade if not moreso.
So this pretty specific part of the whole moon landing has actually held up a lot surprisingly but mostly because weâve got two very rich people having a very visible cat fight thatâs slowing everything else related to moon travel down to a crawl.
tygerprints -5 points 3 years ago
But according to Nasa channel's own programs, the challenge of getting to the moon is not the challenge of getting there, it's how to get back again. Which puzzles me, since the claim is we easily did it in 1969 (though the return part of the trip was very much not talked about). I'm not claiming the moon landing didn't happen, I sure want to believe it did. I just find it weird that this could be true.
And I'm very much a cheerleader for getting us back there and beyond. I want my little yellow starship vest with crew insignia on it.
thanks_shakey_snake 7 points 3 years ago
Who was claiming that "easily" was how we did it?
InternetCitizen2 6 points 3 years ago
Lamo it was not easy. It was rigorously planned and quadruple checked. Many lab tests and smaller satilite launch to test rockets.
bisby 4 points 3 years ago
In the 1960s we built a moon rocket. Single purpose built for going to the moon and back.
Today, companies are trying to build general purpose ultra heavy lift rockets and slapping a moon mission on them. Starship? Not a moon rocket. New Glenn? Not a moon rocket.
Its like living in an RV and saying "living in it isnt the problem, its the plumbing!" Plumbing is an easy solved problem for fixed houses. You've only made the situation harder on yourself by trying to be dual purpose
GojuRyu 1 point 3 years ago
We did it using analoge technology that is no longer produced and with security standards much lower than is acceptable today. The tech that we are "missing" is modern tech used for the same purposes with acceptable reliability and security. One hurdle with digital over analog is that radiation affects it a lot more. Not insurmountable, but requires work to prove it lives up to modern standards.
Sabre363 12 points 3 years ago
Sure there are technical challenges in getting to the Moon, landing, relaunching, and returning to Earth, but none of them are particularly insurmountable. The reason we haven't really been back to the Moon is that public and political interest in space practically disappeared and funding along with it. And now space agencies have to either wait for some petty billionaire twats to stop cat-fighting or somehow scrape together enough of a budget out of countless other, arguably more important missions.
Also, just because something seemed fake on tv, it does NOT indicate that it is actually fake. Moon-landing hoax conspiracies have been torn apart numerous times and are all over YouTube, buried under all the hoax videos. We also have physical evidence such as Moon rocks that we use for research and reflectors placed on the Moon that we can shoot lasers at. You can even visit the Saturn V in a museum (can't remember which one off the top of my head). The real question is why fake the Moon landing? Why spend billions of dollars on R/D, hardware, and technology as well as employ thousands of people for decades just to not do the thing? Occam's razor is particularly relevant here, the simplest explanation is almost certainly the correct one.
Uranium3006 6 points 3 years ago
We know how it's just no one's doing it. The honest program is working up to that but it's going to be a while, if you wanted to go faster bug your Congressman about NASA funding versus military funding
tygerprints 1 point 3 years ago
Well by golly - someone SHOULD be doing it! (Pounds fist on table). I want my moon cheese and moon rock jewelry! Believe I do hound my congressmen about funding NASA - I'm very much a pro-space space cadet.
OneWomanCreamTeam 13 points 3 years ago
The space Odyssey?
HerbalGamer 6 points 3 years ago
ironically
Got_Bent 18 points 3 years ago
Probably something in there about poverty and crime rates soaring after the liberal North forced the glorious and God fearing South to end the benevolent system of slavery that provided free housing and healthcare to those poor incapable souls in its care.
tygerprints 16 points 3 years ago
That's sad but true, especially here in Utah. Now that they've threatened to arrest any kids who openly talk about LGBTQ issues in school, and they aren't allowed to recognize any black history, that doesn't leave much for kids to learn except how to be as pablum-brained as their own parents.
FlyingSquid 8 points 3 years ago
I bet they leave in plenty of time to talk about how oppressed the Mormons have been.
tygerprints 9 points 3 years ago
Oh of course. They're allowed to teach pioneer history, so long as it doesn't include any of the Mountain Meadow Massacre stuff. We all know mormons are truly saints in every possible way and incapable of human blemish of any kind.
verdantbanana 14 points 3 years ago
maybe our president should make an executive order federalizing education and make standards stick
forgot never mind everything is a state by state issue and it is the citizen's fault for not voting correctly even though some are not allowed to vote and we have a militarized police to ensure citizens get put in their place and the minimum wage is $7.25 unless you win the geographic lottery and are born in a state with higher minimum wages
at least trump is not president so all is good
Fredthefishlord 9 points 3 years ago
they did raise the bottom bar of education in all the states.
Maybe for the lowest level of children. They screwed over the education system for many more in exchange
yuriy 3 points 3 years ago
No Child Left Behind is a neat idea, but IME in practice it leads to severely mentally disabled kids filling seats in classes where they are being âtaughtâ subjects years ahead of their ability. It really just feels like extra stress for the students and faculty.
KillingTimeItself 13 points 3 years ago
apparently the constitution doesn't exist in this alternate universe. Which seems weird.
DragonTypeWyvern 4 points 3 years ago
And 95% of it before that.
nonfuinoncuro 1 point 3 years ago
That's covered in 1776, blacks and women are 3/5 of a person
WashedOver 13 points 3 years ago
They left out:
there was certainly WMD in Iraq. The UN just never looked in the right place.
over a million Afghanistan civilians deserved to die for the Trade Center attacks carried out by the son of a wealthy Saudi businessman
/s
winterayars 3 points 3 years ago
Don't forget how Saddam Hussein PERSONALLY flew both planes into the twin towers on 9/11.
ThrowawayPermanente 4 points 3 years ago
The first three weeks of the Iraq war?
Antitoxic9087 -5 points 3 years ago
Wasn't the moon landing a nasa scam to get more budget?
rdy97 -6 points 3 years ago
To provide an alternative viewpoint:
FlyingSquid 13 points 3 years ago
I'm pretty sure the cartoon is not about kids taking college-level history.
scrotumnipples -9 points 3 years ago
Holy shit this is as stupid as anything i've seen on therightcan'tmeme.
HandBreadedTools 11 points 3 years ago
????
EvokerKing -11 points 3 years ago
No but afaik Republicans didn't either. Democrats are banning subjects in school because they feel like it or don't agree. At least teach something.
Also I am not on the Republican or Democrat side of this, they are both wrong in like 90% of matters.
Fredthefishlord 5 points 3 years ago
Name one subject the left banned teaching of. I dare you.
Also I am not on the Republican or Democrat side of this, they are both wrong in like 90% of matters.
I've heard that line dozens of times over and the people who say it are 90% of the time solidly Republican voters
Strawberry 9 points 3 years ago
Where have you been for the last hundred years
OsrsNeedsF2P 8 points 3 years ago
Watching Fox News
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