If you value privacy, ditch Chrome and switch to Firefox now

3 years ago by Frost Wolf to c/technology

With the number of people concerned about privacy, it is a wonder why chrome is even popular.

SamsonSeinfelder 386 points 3 years ago

The best time to switch to Firefox was 5 years ago. The second best is today.

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sycamore 143 points 3 years ago

Oops, I switched 15 years ago,

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jflorez 58 points 3 years ago

I switch when it was Phoenix, then switch again when it was Firebird, and finally switch when it become Firefox

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sycamore 21 points 3 years ago

you win Firefox!

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Yendor 10 points 3 years ago

I went straight from Mozilla Navigator to Firefox 1.0.

Tabs were such a crazy new thing back then. You would show tabbed browsing to someone (rather than opening new windows) and they thought you were a wizard. IE5 didn’t have tabs, so nerds moved to Mozilla/Firefox. Then IE6 came out but still didn’t have tabs. By the time IE7 came out, I’d had tabbed browsing for 5+ years.

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gornar 3 points 3 years ago

Hat trick!

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sycamore 1 point 3 years ago
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Mongostein 17 points 3 years ago

Noob. I switched in 2006 - 17 years ago.

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eeltech 11 points 3 years ago

What took you so long?!?

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Mongostein 19 points 3 years ago

I had to pee!

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LetMeEatCake 4 points 3 years ago

I cannot be 100% certain but I'm confident I was using it not long after the 1.0 release. That'd put me at 2004. 19 years!

Although I did briefly switch over to Chrome when it was new and fast. Then switched back when Firefox had a major optimization pass.

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Gork 6 points 3 years ago

The early Chrome was crazy fast when it had none of the bloat.

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Sho 5 points 3 years ago

Google has a web-browser?

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orphiebaby 3 points 3 years ago

10 to 15 years ago, myself. Don't remember exactly.

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gornar 0 points 3 years ago

Sorry, that's 3rd best at most, according to the data above. Sorry, I don't make the rules!

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DeadNinja 29 points 3 years ago

Funnily enough - this article is 3 years old

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Noxvento 22 points 3 years ago

I use Firefox since it's release. It was never bad. I don't get all the Chrome users.

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shinjiikarus 14 points 3 years ago

I had the crappiest of PCs in 2006 or 2007 with 768MBs of RAM running Windows XP. Funnily enough the reason I switched to Chrome back then was the immense RAM usage of Firefox compared to Chrome back then. With the big rebranding an rerelease of Firefox in 2017? 2018? I came back and haven’t looked back since.

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Action_Bastid 7 points 3 years ago

It has a pretty severe memory leak issue during the period where Chrome siphoned off most of its users.

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Bluescluestoothpaste 2 points 3 years ago

I used it since netscape navigator XD

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Mojojojo1993 1 point 3 years ago

Does it have native dark pages. Why I use brave. Would use Firefox but it's glaring white

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quickpen 3 points 3 years ago

Firefox has dark mode.

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everythingsucks 209 points 3 years ago

Most people aren’t concerned about privacy outside of places like here and Reddit.

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Aiastarei 108 points 3 years ago

With Chrome killing ad blocking, they'll quickly care

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Shikadi 187 points 3 years ago

Except most people don't use adblock. I don't even know how they live

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001100010010 51 points 3 years ago
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littlecolt 16 points 3 years ago

You are mostly right. Think about how many people use chrome on corporate office computers that they do not have permission to install anything on or modify. It's part of the reason Windows is so dominant. Businesses run windows and chrome a shit ton. I work for a Fortune 100 company. It's Windows and Chrome across the whole company.

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reversebananimals 7 points 3 years ago

Hate to say it, but I think you're giving the average person way too much credit. Most people are just not that smart.

"Think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are stupider than that." - George Carlin

Average and below internet users are not the kind of people you meet on Lemmy. They are people like the aging Gen-Xer who doesn't know the difference between "the internet" and a web browser, or the kid whose parents shoved a tablet in their face to get them to be quiet for an hour.

Most people want computers to be an appliance like a washing machine - the thought that they can shape their own experience on their phone or computer never even occurs to them.

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CountryCrap 5 points 3 years ago
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notannpc 16 points 3 years ago

I forget that these people exist sometimes. I can’t ever go back to the internet with no ad blockers.

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Mojojojo1993 -4 points 3 years ago

You realize the Internet costs money. Those sites don't charge due to advertising. If everyone used ad blocker. There wouldn't be internet.

But blind there

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GreyDawn 11 points 3 years ago

I suspect they spend most of their time in apps and not surfing the internet. Just a guess really since I saw the mobile traffic exceeded desktop. A lot of people don't spend hours on the "internet" surfing. Tic Tok sure. Hell I'm getting more and more like that. Even when I use chrome I still only go the the same sites for the most part. lol

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amenotef 8 points 3 years ago

It could be a good thing. Maybe they won't bother about people blocking ads because they become even less than before.

So maybe you need to pause the ad block a lot less.

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CrypticFawn 3 points 3 years ago

Ah, you met my parents.

I had to install ublock origin on my mother's Chrome because she never would otherwise. Doesn't even know how.

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BigTrout75 2 points 3 years ago

They don't!

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ciberConas3000 1 point 3 years ago

Idk everytime I open a link and there's a "skip video in 20 seconds" thing, I close the page and never return. 20 seconds are precious time.

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FoxBJK 10 points 3 years ago

Google’s doing a pretty shitty job on that front since uBlock is already prepared with a new version that will work largely the same after the changeover.

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Aiastarei 4 points 3 years ago

Do you have a post clarifying how uBlock got prepared? I can't seem to find anything

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iamthatis 7 points 3 years ago
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Melco 1 point 3 years ago
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HughJanus 2 points 3 years ago
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persolb 1 point 3 years ago

I’m going to use Chrome as long as I can. If they update and break my Adblock extensions (and there isn’t a fix in a day or two from devs), I switch browsers or find some other workaround.

I’m glad people with more ability to avoid the problem are trying to do so proactively (via ad-on updates, alternative browsers, etc)… so I don’t need to worry about an ‘escape route’… because I know there will be one.

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minorninth -2 points 3 years ago

The plan to deprecate Chrome V2 extensions has been constantly postponed again and again for years now. There is NO SCHEDULED DATE for this to happen currently, and when it is announced it will be more than 6 months out.

Source: https://groups.google.com/...

If Google really wanted to kill ad blockers, they would have done this years ago.

They don't. They want to force ad blockers and other similar extensions to use more efficient APIs that don't slow down the web. Extension developers overall (not just ad blockers) aren't happy with the changes, so they're still working on the APIs.

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FoxBJK 6 points 3 years ago

IIRC the original cutoff date was supposed to be this summer (or possibly winter).

Not surprised you’re being downvoted but definitely disappointed seeing it.

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Frostwolf 40 points 3 years ago

Hmmm, on the bright side, with lemmy going mainstream maybe some of this culture (including privacy and FOSS) becomes more and more openly discussed.

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torres 72 points 3 years ago

As much as I love Lemmy I don't see it going mainstream :/
It's too weird for the general user

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theragu40 45 points 3 years ago

Yeah I agree. Arguably reddit isn't even mainstream, and it is exponentially larger than Lemmy now and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

I'm really loving Lemmy, but it is not even remotely a factor if we are having a conversation about things that are mainstream enough to reflect popular opinion.

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tqgibtngo 17 points 3 years ago
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ewe 2 points 3 years ago
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Very_Bad_Janet 12 points 3 years ago

Reddit was too weird for most people until they ended up being in their Google search results for most topics. It will take a while but the Fediverse will eventually reach a level of popularity and mainstream utility.

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subway 4 points 3 years ago

We could have it both, where big instances like LemmyWorld or BeeHaw becomes the well known public interface, while they maintain federation with smaller instances.

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CountryCrap 2 points 3 years ago
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jtk 2 points 3 years ago

But your content would go over so much better in those places. Pretty sure you've already found that your Musk-loving, antisemitic, anti-lgbtq+, misogynistic, garbage is not going to make it very far here. "cancel culture" back at it again. Guess Musk isn't the big brain you think he is. I'm sure you'll be back with your braindead zombie tribe in no time.

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Rooki -7 points 3 years ago

Then why are you here "Generic User 1234"?

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torres 3 points 3 years ago

I'm sorry, I don't know if "general user" means what I think it means. English is not my first language.

What I meant was that most people who use the internet and social media on a regular basis aren't exactly nerdy/tech-savvy. So as soon as you start talking to them about federated instances and whatnot, they lose interest.

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torres 22 points 3 years ago

I mean I love Lemmy but I don't see it going mainstream :/
It's too weird for the general user

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gothicdecadence 19 points 3 years ago

The irony of this comment duplicating 😅 but yeah you're right, there needs to be a lot of streamlining first

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TonyTonyChopper 7 points 3 years ago

I've seen this issue hundreds of times on red dot

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torres 0 points 3 years ago

jsjajsj yeah, Jerboa froze on me so I had to retype the comment. I didn't realise it had already gone through.

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ewe 14 points 3 years ago

I dunno. Lemmy isn't all that weird outside the first little bit of choosing an instance and signing up for communities. Everything since that has felt extremely normal to me. Some more thought about that and a good instance onboarding workflow can be implemented, that seems like a solvable problem.

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torres 1 point 3 years ago

I completely agree, I don't find it difficult at all. But I have already tried to recommend it to a couple of friends and just having to go through those first steps was enough for them not to want to use Lemmy.

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Frostwolf 13 points 3 years ago

Not sure why it’s weird, it’s just reddit but open source?

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Anoril 0 points 3 years ago

Whole idea is weird and as of now its lacking features. Like no ability to look on the other instance local feed without registrating there (at least not in apps i use). Also needing to type whole adress with instance name if you want some community from other instance is unhandy.

Also, as far as i understand, there can be the same communities on different instances, so you could subscribe to, idk, cat community on lemmy.ml, but not see anything from cat community on lemmy.world. If its true its kinda stupid, i think there should be a way to associate comunities across fedarated instances.

Hell, even registration is kinda messed up. As lemmy.world shown, you easilly can sign up on overpopulated instances which would drop several times a day. Not sure, it probably fixed for now, but that was a problem when i started.

So far i like the idea and want it to succeed and become popular. But with how elitist people here are usually towards users from other platforms and with overall roughness it kinda seems unlikelly. Maybe it will change when current apps get better, or reddit app developers make versions for lemmy, idk.

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001100010010 5 points 3 years ago
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cousinofjah 2 points 3 years ago

Keep Lemmy Weird

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UnaSolaEstrellaLibre 3 points 3 years ago

I wish that was the case. Privacy is barely a thing in the general public's eye. FOSS is a spec in the wind in comparison.

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nekat_emanresu 1 point 3 years ago

WHAAT? I CANT HEAR YOU OVER THE MEEEEEMEES!!. SPEAK LOUDEERRR!

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code_is_speech 10 points 3 years ago

I think lots of boomers and gen-x do care. (At least the ones I know). They just aren't tech literate enough to do anything about it.

I think we need more privacy oriented devices and software with simple ux, and advertising that isn't targetted at the tech community.

Run some TV ads for a privacy enabled smartphone, and play up how it works just the same as your current phone but doesn't spy on you. Shit like that.

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nakamotto 163 points 3 years ago

Firefox + Ublock Origin blows Google Chrome out of water.

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GigglyBobble 134 points 3 years ago

Firefox is a weird buggy mess that constantly freezes.

This is definitely not normal, Firefox never freezes for me. May be worth checking that out, especially your extensions.

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FunnyUsername 85 points 3 years ago

The whole Reddit debacle has really made me rethink all my services. I recently installed duck duck go and still getting used to it, so not quite sure if I'm ready to make another drastic change.

I used to love Firefox in 2006 or so, but got Chrome when it was released and forgot about Firefox. I think I'll open a tab in my chrome browser for the Firefox page now...this is how I remind myself to delve deeper into stuff later. Thanks for the inspiration, everyone. Google has irked me ever since removing the Don't Be Evil mantra.

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Metallibus 75 points 3 years ago

IMO the thing is that people don't care about their privacy. Sure, some people around here do, but your average person owns an Alexa, has a FB/Instagram account and constantly posts their location, uses the same password on many sites, uses TikTok, doesn't block cookies, etc etc etc.

Most people don't actually care. Some claim they do, but then can't even be bothered to stop using Instagram etc because of the "inconvenience"... So do they really care?

Some companies (Apple, etc) push their products under a narrative around safety and security, and people will repeat that point as a way to justify a decision they already made, but if they actually cared, they would be doing other things too. But they don't.

The number of us who do actually care about privacy and security is actually very small.

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Virkkunen 70 points 3 years ago

With the number of people concerned about privacy, it is a wonder how privacy is still a word in the dictionary

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HughJanus 67 points 3 years ago
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Pyroglyph 62 points 3 years ago

With the number of people concerned about privacy

That number appears to be very small, all things considered. Out of everyone I know, literally one person cares about privacy. My mother. She will even go as far as to only use her first initial online instead of her name if she can get away with it. However, she uses Chrome all the time because she doesn't understand that your browser also tracks you.

I think that's what it comes down to. A mixture of lack of public interest, and lack of public awareness about tracking/privacy in general. If people can't immediately see how having their data harvested will inconvenience/hurt them, they simply don't care.

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deweydecibel 52 points 3 years ago

The biggest issue for a lot of people is going to be Microsoft forcing all Office 365 users to use Edge all the time. Our sysadmin recently forced me to uninstall Firefox and Chrome from all workstations unless they had an approved use for it. Everything must be through Edge.

Why? "Security" of course. It's always "security". Curious

Edit: the point is Microsoft could have worked to provide enterprise customers with ways to manage third party browsers going forward. They could have worked with Google and Mozilla to make that happen. They didn't. Not really.

It's that Microsoft continues to make decisions that create rationale for only using them, because that's their business. "Security" gives them an extremely convenient cover for anticompetitive behavior. Anyone that thinks their C-Suite hasn't pulled the defender/365 team into a meeting or two to discuss business strategy has far too much faith in a corporation that deserves very little.

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cley_faye 51 points 3 years ago

With the number of people concerned about privacy

Generous estimate there. "People" don't care. Who cares if your browser tracks your online presence when everything is connected back to your facebook profile or whatever is trending.

Most individuals embrace convenience above all; literally putting all their private stuff on any online service that tout "shiny feature that you won't even use". Even some privacy-focused people don't see putting all your emails/photo/video/agenda/chat/text messages in one third party opaque service as an issue.

Tons of business do the same, outsourcing the most basic stuff like private discussions and storage to anything "convenient" to not pay for two sysadmin to manage it (leading to most major leaks). I have direct experience of business coming to us, asking "yeah, privacy is good, data ownership and control is mandatory, so we won't host anything and you'll keep all our data, deal?". They prefer have us, a third party, bill them for hosting rather than have some control over it.

My take on this is that while pointing that browsers can be an issue is not a bad thing, the first step would be to get people and business interested in their privacy. Without that, it remains a niche. Sadly.

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Uniquitous 46 points 3 years ago

Google has a vested interest in showing you ads and selling your data.

Firefox does not.

Seems like a pretty clear choice to me.

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uroybd 45 points 3 years ago

Using firefox exclusively on all my devices since the last major revamp of the Firefox Android.

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AzuleBlade 17 points 3 years ago

Gotta love the uBlock Origin extension on Firefox Android!

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uroybd 3 points 3 years ago

Yes. And it makes many sites more browsable in phone.

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Thorny_Thicket 1 point 3 years ago

Wish I could get cookie auto delete on Android too

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hiramfromthechi 44 points 3 years ago

There's no reason you should be using Chrome. Using Chrome:

  • Means you consent to spyware (along with everyone else you interact with)
  • Allows Google to continue dictating web standards
  • Is a resource hog

If you haven't already, I highly recommend reading this comic about the dangers of Chrome: https://contrachrome.com/

If you need to absolutely use a Chromium-based browser, at least use Brave (just for that site).

Not-so-fun fact from the comic Contra Chrome: Google Chrome's URL bar is called the "omnibox." The name is derived from the Latin word "omnis," meaning "everything."

When you type into the omnibox, it's sent to Google's servers and added to your profile forever.

Even if you deleted it or didn't hit enter.

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peregus 42 points 3 years ago

This is the problem! :( Monopoly is never good, in this case in particular since it's in the hand of a corporation they make money on people data.

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popemichael 42 points 3 years ago path: 0 1397400, hotness: undefined, score: 42, children: 0
JackbyDev 40 points 3 years ago

I use Firefox because I don't like how Google acts with regards to web standards being the de facto standard because so many browsers are Chromium based. If everyone is using Chromium then they don't need to obey any standards and can just do whatever they want. There needs to be competition in that space. Microsoft Edge becoming Chromium based was a big problem on that regard.

The irony that Firefox is kept alive in part because Google pays them for Google to be the default search option is not lost on me.

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BoredomAddict 35 points 3 years ago

If you're able to, donate to Mozilla as well! Keeping them up and running is imperative.

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Hypersapien 33 points 3 years ago

I've been using Firefox for years.

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Caffeinated_Capybara 32 points 3 years ago

Chrome is popular because it works. The average person is not going to give up convenience for privacy, even if they claim to care about it. As someone who uses Firefox, I can say that some websites don't work on Firefox and Firefox is often slower than chromium browsers. While I'm ok with that, others might not be.

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Chickerino 31 points 3 years ago

i still have no clue why people use chrome for the past 5+ years, there's better chromium alternatives if you still want to use chromium for some reason, and there's firefox which doesn't support the chromium monopoly, works really well and doesn't try to restrict you from using adblockers

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washbasin 31 points 3 years ago

Android users can use an even more private version with telemetry removed. Keeps updated with current version, but is available via F-Droid repository instead.

Fennec (then install add-on uBlock Origin)

Fuck Chromium-based browsers.

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Merulox 29 points 3 years ago

High number of people concerned about privacy?? There's, like, 5 of us unfortunately.

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Ziel 28 points 3 years ago

To be honest, Firefox works perfectly fine and it is not that difficult to navigate through.

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ohmyiv 28 points 3 years ago

Firefox for Android is a blessing with extensions. Most of my favorite desktop privacy extensions are available on mobile. I love it.

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busturn 27 points 3 years ago

For me Firefox has some showstoppers that Mozilla doesn't seem too interested in fixing (tablet ui on Android, lack of share target support for pwas). I'm not some hater mind you, I want it to succeed.

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randint 25 points 3 years ago

I hope more people can become aware of how Firefox is better for your privacy

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nostalgicgamerz 25 points 3 years ago

I used to use Brave and saw that article last week about how they are selling your data for AI training. I instantly jumped to Firefox

Source: https://stackdiary.com/...

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Paralda 24 points 3 years ago

I use Vivaldi, which isn't perfect, but I need tab grouping in some form. Firefox's solutions for tab groups are meh at best

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fidelacchius 24 points 3 years ago

I switched about a year ago. My only complaint on desktop is different short cuts. I hope Firefox sticks around. It's like the last free browser on the web

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nick26 22 points 3 years ago

Modern Firefox is excellent. I have it loaded up with great quality of life addons that seem to work better than their WebKit counterparts.

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10DollarBanana 22 points 3 years ago
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ComeHereOrIHookYou 22 points 3 years ago

I was originally an Opera user (back when it was using Presto) back in the day, but I switched to Firefox during the last moments of the Presto engine. When Presto died, I worried a bit about the state of other browser engines, but I didn't worry about it too much because I never thought Microsoft would use Chromium with their Edge browser. Yet, here we are.

Putting privacy concerns aside, we should encourage the use of Firefox because it helps promote browser engine diversity. The more diverse browser engines we have, the better it is for us, especially when it comes to innovation. I mean, it may be a bit different than the era of Internet Explorer, but since Google is leading the Chromium project, who knows what could happen.

They might remove a particular feature that was once very useful for whatever reason, and we could end up just accepting it because we can't do anything about it.

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altima_neo 21 points 3 years ago

Bro, I never left. I never liked Chrome's interface. I think I ditched Internet Explorer for Firefox when IE started getting too bloated and sluggish and Firefox was mature enough to compete.

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CountryCrap 21 points 3 years ago
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Reziarfg 19 points 3 years ago

I have one thing keeping me from moving back to Firefox. I use Chrome profiles extensively to separate my various client access sessions that I need to do my job. So I need a solution in Firefox that allows me to have separate profiles with separate sessions. I've tried Firefox profiles but those are so much clunkier to setup and switch between. Also there's no way I've found to get the Firefox profiles to be in separate color-coded windows like Chrome does so I have to look through all my open windows to find the one for the specific client I'm working with.

If someone can solve this I'll switch back to Firefox immediately.

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kazerniel 19 points 3 years ago

I've been a Firefox main since before it was even called Firefox :D

As much as it lagged behind in speed in the early days of Chrome, back then Chrome didn't have anywhere near to Firefox's amazing selection of addons, many of which were essential to my workflow.

That also meant that I hated Firefox's switch to WebExtensions, as it gutted most of the addons I used at the time, and it took them many years to get back as many features as possible (which of course has never been all the original features).

I even switched to Firefox ESR, then when that dropped support too, to Waterfox for a few years to retain the ability to use classic addons. But eventually it became too much hassle, and I have been a Firefox mainbranch user again since 2021 :)


For the handful of websites that only work in Chrome (or when I need to test my own websites), I've been using Brave in recent years. It's weirdly into crypto nonsense, but at least those features can be disabled. But if anyone knows a better Google-less Chromium browser, pls let me know!

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MrFlamey 19 points 3 years ago

Does it matter if you use a Chromium browser that isn't Chrome itself? I know Google has a large influence in Chromium development, but presumably they can't just stick tracking in other Chromium based browsers, can they? I just really like Vivaldi.

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Sarcastik 18 points 3 years ago

I just ditched Brave a few days ago for Firefox and really prefer it for performance and real privacy.

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Kylamon1 18 points 3 years ago

My biggest issue with FF is the lack of the ability to switch accounts easily. In Chrome I have a work account, a home account, and a side hustle account. Each has their own bookmarks, themes, passwords, and history.

I have tried using FF and the few workarounds to match this feature, but so far it has none worked as smoothly as chromes 2 button clicks to switch accounts.

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daniskarma 18 points 3 years ago

I tried to install Firefox in my corporate laptop and the antivirus marked it as malware ;_;

The corporation is apparently ok with Microsoft spying on us all.

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poopsmith 18 points 3 years ago

Just switched over to Firefox like a minute ago. So far, so good. Kinda a bummer to have to manually import my saved passwords.

Also, how are profiles handled? In Chrome, I had a separate personal and work profile. Is that easily doable in Firefox?

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InvaderDJ 18 points 3 years ago

Is it?

It’s popular because for 15 years it’s been fast, easy, better than the built in IE and legacy Edge and tech savvy people like us have been singing its praises since what? 2010? 2012? When did Firefox become slow and bloated?

People don’t care unless there is a big enough difference in experience. And so far, Chrome hasn’t fallen off a cliff when it comes to speed or rendering. If anything, the question should be why do people still bother to download Chrome when Edge is basically the same browser now?

Firefox fixed its issues a few years back and is now a great browser again. Honestly, you can’t go wrong with the big three on desktop or mobile. But privacy isn’t going to make most people switch anything unless the privacy violations are beyond the pale. And I don’t think Chrome’s are yet. Maybe if they go through with that change to kneecap extensions and gimp adblocking that might change.

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shinobizilla 18 points 3 years ago

FWIW, latest Firefox nightlies have caught up to Chrome in terms of performance. I have been a Firefox user since the 3.5 days, I was briefly swayed by Chrome because of performance until I came back for the Quantum update and stuck with it ever since. The updates have been great and Firefox + ubo + Nextdns is a solid combination.

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Flaky 17 points 3 years ago

If only Firefox's management had its head screwed on better. I really don't care about Turning Red themes, I have a KDE theme just to keep it matching my desktop. Just make the core browsing experience better. Hell, take some features from Vivaldi. I've noticed a good portion of Vivaldi users back when I used Reddit were former Firefox users, and I can understand why.

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DrAnthony 17 points 3 years ago

I'm just thankful that Firefox still exists. I switched over back in 2003 and got hooked on Thunderbird as well.

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weepingSomnambulist 17 points 3 years ago

The price to pay for convenience is too steep for most people to migrate. Also if you just an average user, most of the time you will not get instant gratification for being more privacy-aware. The more you try to be more aware the more you realize that to achieve a certain level of privacy is really a pain in the ass.

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DannyMac 16 points 3 years ago

I've been using Firefox as much as possible and it has gotten better over the previous few months. I find fewer and fewer sites that I have issues with.

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Thoxy 15 points 3 years ago

I have always despised Chrome, with Firefox being my preferred web browser. However, I still keep Vivaldi installed on my Linux system in case something requires Chromium for compatibility reasons.

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7heo 14 points 3 years ago

expired

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eldnikpw 13 points 3 years ago
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AA5B 13 points 3 years ago

Chrome is popular because of inertia. I was a huge Mozilla fan for years, until it became unusable. Chrome was the only choice and noticeably more performant. Since then, there hasn’t been sufficient reason to redirect that inertia. Yes, that was quite a few years ago. Lots of inertia

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Gert_vK 12 points 3 years ago

What about LibreWolf, a fork of FF. Suppose to be better for security. Love using it !! Ditched Brave a couple of days ago

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hamburger8112 12 points 3 years ago

Firefox with sideberry (vertical tabs). Ultimate browser.

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Xeknos 11 points 3 years ago
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AuginTuga34 11 points 3 years ago

Has Google stopped funding Mozilla yet?

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urda 10 points 3 years ago
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Magicianfox 10 points 3 years ago

Chrome does suck regarding privacy.

But the article shared here is basically an ad for Firefox.

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Godric 10 points 3 years ago

I love Firefox, been ride or die since I started. Chrome is just pure Spyware.

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qyron 10 points 3 years ago

FF has been my daily driver... longer than I can remember on essentially anything that can handle a browser. It's powerfull, feature rich, extensible, etc. But it does tend gain weight between major overhauls.

Out of curiosity, being a Linux user, I installed Chromium not 2 weeks ago and the thing is fast. It outperforms Firefox on my aging machine by far. And I was actually surprised. Yes, I do have the ghost of Google just waiting to sink its fangs in me, which I dislike, but I really have to admit the browser is fast, light and easy to approach for new users.

Will I let go of FF? Not really but Chromium did manage to get my attention.

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gaybear 9 points 3 years ago
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sil3ntki11 9 points 3 years ago

Was using Brave and after reading things about it here, just switched back to Firefox!

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dinckelman 9 points 3 years ago
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drdabbles 9 points 3 years ago

Also disable the default DNS over HTTPs to Cloudflare.

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LazlowsBAWSAQ 8 points 3 years ago

What’s wrong with Brave? Does this effect Brave?

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GonzoVeritas 8 points 3 years ago

I switched to FF a few years ago when my Chrome was showing some bloat. FF works for almost everything, but from time to time some sites, forms, e-commerce, etc., have issues with non-Chrome browsers. In that event, I use Edge.

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sma3in 8 points 3 years ago

I switched from chrome to Firefox 5 years ago but for some reason, Firefox loading acts weird and video playback also is weird...Eventually moved to Vivaldi and I'm pretty happy wit it so far.

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zerbey 8 points 3 years ago

Love Firefox, but if you want Chrome get Chromium or Brave.

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cartmancarter 8 points 3 years ago

Okay I’m going to step into it. I’ve been liking Vivaldi recently as a browser. Is that screwed too because it’s based on chromium? Or am I safe for now?

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bigredcar 7 points 3 years ago

I've been using the internet since 1999. I've been using Firefox before it was Firefox, and before it was Phoenix, back when it was just "Mozilla". (The original browser became SeaMonkey, but it's been slowly abandoned to the point that it doesn't work on modern sites anymore.) I've been frustrated at times and have sometimes used Chrome, Waterfox and Epiphany (Linux web browser) at times but I always come back to Firefox. Back in the Geocities era in 2000 Netscape 4.x was so poor at CSS I developed for Internet Explorer on my personal sites, (to my regret), but Mozilla eventually caught up.

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Teknikal 7 points 3 years ago

I switched to mull which I think is basically a fork of Firefox when bromite seemed to be dead.

No complaints it works great.

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joshuaacasey 7 points 3 years ago
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Potato_in_my_anus 7 points 3 years ago

Been using Firefox for a long, very long time.

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ricecooker 7 points 3 years ago

I've always wondered how Mozilla / Firefox makes money? I see that its a non-profit. Looks like sponsored links and content on their new tab?

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puddlexplorer 7 points 3 years ago
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bloodninja 6 points 3 years ago

I use ungoogled-chromium with Firefox as a backup. The great thing about ungoogled-chromium is its a barebone browser, and that is exactly what I want. Only downfall is the browser does not auto update. I use change detector to get a notification when a new version is out.

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Slopz 6 points 3 years ago

I prefer Vivaldi over Firefox. More features, better customizability.

But the again I might be the only one...

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JuliusSeizure 6 points 3 years ago

TOR browser is built off of Firefox and is even more private.

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plutolink 6 points 3 years ago

Thankfully, I've been about Firefox since 2006. People can use what they like, but it does ache me inside seeing someone use Chrome, logged in with the yellow "Update" icon at the top right, an unholy trinity.

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Drye 6 points 3 years ago

Would be awesome if my company allowed to run anything but edge....

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Mostly_Harmless 6 points 3 years ago

I just went back to Edge from Firefox. I've been a long-time user, but it seems like too many of the sites I use don't work properly and some not at all. It sucks because I've always preferred FF, but I gotta get sh*t done.

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Lobo6780 6 points 3 years ago

Yeah, I'm using it from a long time and I'm happy with it. But I'm also pissed at google what is actively blocking firefox on their services, e.g. GDrive always shows that when loading a page encountered an error or when linking discord to YouTube it shows Something went wrong but of course working on chromium. But having FF and WebKit is an really good for competition to do not let google rule whole internet.

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salient_one 5 points 3 years ago

I still can't get used to Dev Tools in Firefox, even though they might be superior to Chrome's.

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PeterPoopshit 5 points 3 years ago

I never switched to Chrome. I didn't do it when it first came out and people were shitting their pants in excitement. I didn't use chrome in the middle of the 2010s when no one even knew about Firefox. I still don't use it. I never switched from Firefox.

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jordanlund 5 points 3 years ago

What if I told you I always used Firefox... ?

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Gamey 5 points 3 years ago

I use Firefox because I always did and because I don't want to support the Blink (Chromium web engine) monopoly that even Apples Webkit can barely keep up with but please don't think Mozilla (Firefox owners) are accaptable by any means, they just aren't as bad in my mind!

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BrianTheeBiscuiteer 5 points 3 years ago

Sigh. I really don't want to put in an official bug report for it but the #1 reason I don't exclusively use Firefox is a bug involving some porn sites I occasionally visit. No clue why, but Chrome (and its variants) load the sites in a second or two and Firefox will take 3+ mins to load them. Haven't seen that behavior anywhere else but those sites.

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Slopz 5 points 3 years ago

Vivaldi > Chrome

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it_is_soup_time 5 points 3 years ago

@Frostwolf I switched to Firefox a few years ago. Using Google Chrome on a low end Windows 10 laptop was a nightmare.

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tuxys 4 points 3 years ago
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oscar 7 points 3 years ago
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Very_Bad_Janet 1 point 3 years ago

If I were to install this on an Android phone that currently has Firefox and uBlock Origin, will this appear as a second browser app? Or does this overwrite FF? (Yes, I am tech illiterate. )

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oscar 2 points 3 years ago
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tuxys 1 point 3 years ago
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9tr6gyp3 4 points 3 years ago

Technically, Chromium is not a version of Chrome. Chrome is a proprietary browser created by Google. Chromium is an open source browser created and maintained by Google.

Chromium alone is missing a lot of features (even more so if going the ungoogled route). Its not recommended to run standalone, although it will. Best bet of you want a Chromium-based browser is to find a forked version of it. Brave is one that comes to find, as its geared to be better for privacy.

Firefox is also a solid, secure browser. It is backed by Mozilla, which has been a champion of the open source community for years. It's going to have a different approach to the web since its not backed by an advertising company. The default settings could be better, but I wouldn't say they're insecure.

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tuxys 1 point 3 years ago
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kingofras 4 points a year ago

Aged like fine milk

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AnonTwo 4 points 3 years ago

Generally I keep running into a constant habit where the same extensions I use in chrome are having memory leaks or some crazy ram issue that just clogs firefox to death. Meanwhile I just don't have the time or patience to figure out and/or find alternatives to said extensions.

Then i'll switch back a few years later but it's been on and off. It's always Firefox becoming unusable with my workflow, which is just not easy to deal with.

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Eris 4 points 3 years ago

There is a lot of misinformation and people linking articles they haven't really read. I'm not going to address them because I don't feel like it.

I would suggest for anyone who doesn't like how slow and clunky Firefox is, to look into Ungoogled chromium. If you still decide to switch to Firefox, consider librewolf if you are ACTUALLY concerned about privacy and not just jumping on the bandwagon of hating Google ITT

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designated_fridge 4 points 3 years ago

I have been a loyal Firefox users for years but I would lie if I didn't say I get tired of websites not working.

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Saunameister 4 points 3 years ago

So i did the switch a few months ago and ofc i am very happy but i n the german version of FF you can't autofill adressfields like name and well your adress and so on. Anyone know how to activate that? i googled it a few times but none of the solutions worked

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99nights 4 points 3 years ago

I've been using brave these days. I really like it, I have it installed across all my devices.

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ggnoredo 3 points 3 years ago

I never used chrome

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avater 3 points 3 years ago

what are some necessary addons besides ublock?

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saegiru 3 points 3 years ago

I'm ready as soon as there is a copy of the vertical tab implementation from Edge. Until then, you'll have to pry Edge from my cold dead fingers.

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Captain_Patchy 3 points 3 years ago

To say nothing of adblock plus on firefox being able to block ads even on youtube.

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life_is_coffee 3 points 3 years ago

Chrome is everywhere and everything is built on it or optimized for it.

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Maped 3 points a year ago

2 years later, the "Manifest" is doing it's job and still I know some people that would not leave their favorite Chrome.

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thawed_caveman 3 points 3 years ago

I think i've only ever used Firefox since i got the internet (2009), but that also makes my reccomendation kinda moot because i haven't used any other browser. How can i say that Firefox is better than Chrome if i've never used Chrome?

Another side effect is that i'm well aware of all the issues Firefox has, since it's all i've ever used, all the browser issues i've had were in Firefox.

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Vaggumon 3 points 3 years ago

I did that 3 years ago.

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philluminati 3 points 3 years ago

Windows 11 requires TPM 2.0 to be enabled. With this, Microsoft and Chrome have built a complete end to end DRM to the BIOS and hardware level.

This gives the end users nothing but is wonderful for Hollywood.

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MeanPresentation80 3 points 3 years ago

I personally use brave since a year, and it work like a charm.

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guidothekillerpimp 3 points 3 years ago

I wish FF would natively support text replacement in macOS. This shouldn’t need an extension to accomplish a pretty basic thing.

https://connect.mozilla.org/...

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PalmTreeIsBestTree 3 points 3 years ago

I’ve only been using FireFox and Safari for several years now.

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Encode1307 3 points 3 years ago

I use Firefox, but I do run into a lot of problems with sites not working correctly. Makes me want to switch to Brave occasionally.

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Mereo 19 points 3 years ago

Keep using Firefox. We're now returning to the Era where websites only worked with Internet Explorer but in this case, it is chrome. We can't let that happen.

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IninewCrow 6 points 3 years ago

Also ... the most valuable content I find or want online for my own uses is all text based ... reading blogs, forums, news sites, articles, creative writing, wikipedia

I really don't care about design or flashy lights and pictures ... I just want to read the news

I often just toggle the read only view as soon as I find something I want to read and seldom care about what a site looks like ... on the other side of that ... if the site is so messed up or controlling that it refuses reader view .. I skip it and move on

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GigglyBobble 3 points 3 years ago

While it won't become that bad ever again because of far more and better standardization, it has basically become a Webkit monopoly already. Sites often don't work (as well) on Firefox because web developers don't bother to do cross-browser testing anymore.

That was the actual (only) good thing with Internet Explorer: it coming with Windows endured significant adoption since many people don't bother installing another browser, especially in business environments. This forced web devs to make their sites and apps cross-browser compatible. With Edge being a Chromium browser that has gone out of the window.

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Kn3cHt -1 points 3 years ago

In my opinion, this is not as big of a deal as, since WebKit/Blink is open source. Everybody could just use the same engine and just build their version of the browser around it. Firefox doesn’t need to maintain their own engine.

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redcalcium 0 points 3 years ago

It's not that simple. Google is now a major driving force in the web standard consortium. Forking Blink doesn't stop Google from pushing more and more ridiculous web standard. The only way to stop it is by reducing chromium market share which will also reduce Google influence in the consortium.

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iAmTheTot 10 points 3 years ago

I've used Firefox exclusively for a decade and have never had Firefox be the cause of a site not working properly. What the hell sites are you trying to use that FF is breaking?

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pixxel 2 points 3 years ago

Hotels.com last time I was visiting another country for example. A fair few other big sites are not working as expected either.

Still primarily use Firefox, but the fact is that due to small market share almost no testing is ever done on sites against Firefox.

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Encode1307 1 point 3 years ago

The biggest weird thing I run into is that I can't sign in to Amazon on there. I haven't bothered to try to figure out why.

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otter 8 points 3 years ago

I find that usually it's a browser extension that's causing the issue.

The only consistent issue I've had is with certain google products, such as logins or specific Google Docs features, which feels intentional

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olympicyes 3 points 3 years ago

For me it’s usually uBlock Origin causing the problem with Firefox. I personally use Firefox on Mac, Windows, and Linux. I use Chrome occasionally for stubborn websites or if I have to use q bunch of google related services that I don’t normally use.

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Encode1307 1 point 3 years ago

The only extensions I run are privacy badger and the Google search fix. I do run strict tracking protection though. That's probably the culprit.

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Aiastarei 5 points 3 years ago

Privacy Badger does break a lot of websites too

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jflorez 7 points 3 years ago

Brave is still Chromium based which means giving control over the internet to Google regardless

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beeb -2 points 3 years ago

How about Vivaldi? Is it also chromium based? Any experience with it? Been eying it as a potential replacement for brave. Firefox is such a mess I don't even want to touch it.

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jflorez 2 points 3 years ago

Also Chromium. What do you find such a mess about Firefox? When was the last time you used it?

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beeb 1 point 3 years ago

I have to concede it's been a few years since I used it, but saw reports of people having unstable Firefox installs in various places like Youtube and Mastodon. I will give it another go but I would love an alternative to try too.

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AlecSadler 2 points 3 years ago

Same. A lot of internal web apps I've used only work on chromium browsers.

That said, I'd recommend checking out DuckDuckGo browser before Brave.

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AteshgaRubyTeeth 3 points 3 years ago

I have too use Edge at work. Is Edge also implementing this shit?

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soulifix 3 points 3 years ago

Firefox is only a secondary browser to me these days. I've grown tired of it's performance for years because the Mozilla group would rather keep stuffing unnecessary features into the browser and bring about it's own ecosystem that it may be collecting data from itself that nobody may know about than fixing that god damn memory leak.

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washashore 3 points 3 years ago
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emptyother 2 points 3 years ago

And if you miss PWAs, Firefox got an extension for it now. Check out PWAsForFirefox. And unless Edge and Chrome, you can edit the name before pinning the site.

A few bugs and drawbacks though. It uses its own profile, so you will probably want Firefox Sync to transfer your password vault and extensions to it.

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GunnarRunnar 4 points 3 years ago

Firefox has PWAs natively unless I've misunderstood something?

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emptyother 1 point 3 years ago

Are you talking about Firefox for Android? Because no, regular Firefox doesnt.

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GunnarRunnar 2 points 3 years ago

It's not the "add to home screen" button that installs a link which then works without Firefox UI?

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emptyother 2 points 3 years ago

Thats on android only. And no, it isnt. If its a PWA then that button changes to "Install". Which does almost the same thing as "Add to home screen" except it opens the webpage up as if it was a separate app. That means it gets its own entry in the "Recent apps" list and its own icon, and it hides the address bar.

Edit: You can test this yourself by going to lemmy.world on your phone. It is a PWA. Any website can really be a PWA, it just needs a manifest file. Lemmy.worlds manifest are available here and you can see what settings it contains.

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Smacks 2 points 3 years ago

If you need a Chrome-like or Chromium based browser you can always try the various other versions of Chrome out there. Just about every browser that isn't FF is based on Chromium now.

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uroybd 2 points 3 years ago

Using it since the last major revamp of Firefox Android on all my devices.

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small44 2 points 3 years ago

I value browsers that offer the best and most unique features

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rick 2 points 3 years ago

How about Chromium?

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peanutdust 2 points 3 years ago

i use 5 browsers 3 of them are based on firefox

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HRDS_654 2 points 3 years ago

Jokes on you. I've never used Chrome (outside of work limitations). I always liked the way Firefox looked over Chrome so never really got into it. I do use Edge Chromium every so often since some pages work better, but not sure if this would apply or not.

Also, does anyone know about the Duckduckgo beta browser, specifically what engine it uses? I tried it on a couple pages, but it seems pretty buggy right now.

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anlumo 2 points 3 years ago

If only Firefox weren’t such a crap dev experience compared to Chrome.

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titaalik 2 points 3 years ago

I'd love to get away from Chromium based browsers. At the moment I am using Brave.

Is there any other browser that works on and syncs between: MacOS, iPhone / iPad AND Windows? It also has to have adblock capabilities on all of the devices. FireFox with uBlock Origin would be my first choice but afaik you can't block ads on iPad / iPhone on it.

Any recommendations?

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randon31415 2 points 3 years ago

I switched back when I was in college - which is strange because it came out one year after I left. I also remember having to take a class on how to use Google in my first year of college - which gives you a hint how long ago it was.

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nvm 2 points 3 years ago

Opera cons notwithstanding, Opera One is really nice as a browser.

Firefox itself has some UI quirks that can cause a bit of friction.

Chrome always feels like it just works, but I rely on Google's ecosystem frequently.

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stark 2 points 3 years ago

Firefox is my daily driver and use a separate Chromium based browser for Google services, i.e. YouTube, Google Maps, Drive, etc.

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mark100 2 points 4 months ago

How about Brave? Not a big fan of Chrome but a long term Brave user I am. Filters a lot of things out.

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alertsleeper 2 points 3 years ago

Has Firefox gotten the feature to group or stack tabs together? I used to use Firefox and that was the main reason I moved to a chromium based one (Currently Vivaldi). I just need that 90% of the time

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oIivier 1 point 3 years ago

Tried Chrome once and go back to Firefox... There is still some website that require Edge or Chrome. Which one is worst in terms privacy?

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ultiMEIGHT 1 point 3 years ago

Firefox (arkenwolf) all the way.

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Jackolantern 1 point 3 years ago

But I’m using iOS. Can I still do something to atleast increase my privacy?

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plutolink 1 point 3 years ago
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Boomkop3 1 point a year ago

Firefox' tabs are so darn bad tho. It really bothers me I can't just drag them around

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aeternum 1 point 3 years ago

you're lying to yourself if you think mozzarella foxfire does'nt collect data. They may use it in a different way, but they still collect data. You have to jump through a bunch of config to disable their telemetry, which most users won't do.

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oIivier 1 point 3 years ago

Tried Chrome once and go back to Firefox... There is still some website that requires Edge or Chrome. Which one is worst in terms privacy?

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Spacecraft 1 point 3 years ago

I switched back to Vivaldi recently after I learned about the workspaces feature they added. Will probably use this until Arc comes out for Windows, and then switch to Stack Next when that's had a lot more development.

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cattywampus 1 point 9 days ago
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SinJab0n 1 point 3 years ago path: 0 1365655, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 1
Boomkop3 1 point a year ago

Why did firefox kill pwa support on desktop?

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milkymunch 1 point 3 years ago
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Porka_911 1 point 3 years ago

Chrome does have a use, namely Selenium and automation.

I'm guilty of having Chrome on my PC, as I need to nerf over my favourites to Firefox.

Firefox is my browser of choice on my Google Pixel 7, but then again no doubt it makes little difference.

I just choose to use a VPN, so any targeted adverts are blocked regardless of the profile built up from my browsing habits.

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RogueSensei 1 point 3 years ago

I've played around with a few browsers, and while Firefox is a better alternative to chrome, I'd more recommend a privacy hardened fork of firefox such as LibreWolf or GNU IceCat. I've also used mullvad browser which is kinda neat.

Some people are too comfortable using chrome for it's extension library however, so if a mozilla-based browser doesn't fulfill the extensions requirement, Brave browser is a good choice. I haven't tried de-googled chromium, but I imagine it's food for the reasons it says on the tin.

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smoregooseboard 1 point 3 years ago

Don't forget Opera :)

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LeFantome 1 point 3 years ago

It is far from ready but I am holding out a lot of hope that Ladybird will save us from this mess:

https://github.com/...

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werefreeatlast 1 point a year ago path: 0 14838469, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
ciberConas3000 1 point 3 years ago

I recently did the switch, pretty similar in terms of experience. Only thing I can point out about firefox is that chrome's page translator is faster and more efficient. I'm using the Google translate extension, if someone knows off a better one.

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GustavoM 0 points 3 years ago path: 0 1385929, hotness: undefined, score: 0, children: 6
Fiivemacs 0 points 3 years ago

I used chrome for less then 1 day ..it always sucked

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GeneralHu 0 points 3 years ago

You getting fked here or there. So don't think it matters that much.

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TCGM 0 points 3 years ago

I recommend Chromium Ungoogled if you can't let go of the Chromium ecosystem for some reason. It's an open source fork of Chromium and puts pretty much all the power in the users' hands, so much so that to get certain features to even work you have to configure it. It is also fully compatible with the Chrome app store, if you want it to be.

https://github.com/...

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livendie 0 points 3 years ago

The me from 6months back would be onboard with this idea, I don't really recommend firefox anymore. It's a bloated mess run by a very questionable corp. I had to move to PaleMoon, it's the only acceptable browser for me now.
Here are some links for your reading pleasure...
Mozilla - Devil Incarnate
How to choose a browser for your daily use?

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Breno 0 points 3 years ago

I might consider it if they ever implement a modern sidebar like the rest of the others.

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GustavoM 0 points 3 years ago

Alright. Then please tell me a way to circumvent site compatibility enforcement and I will gladly ditch any chrome-related browsers (that most sites are enforcing to use it nowadays) for the beloved fox on fire.

-EDIT And what do you have to say about this? https://youtu.be/_JNg4Ox2Hvc?t=512 .Its a very recent video and has some interesting takes about firefox.

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finnie 0 points 3 years ago

On a Windows machine absolutely. On MacOS, why not trust safari? The battery management for Safari is fantastic.

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jdevsd -1 points 3 years ago
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TheBananaKing -1 points 3 years ago

Al my passwords are in google. I just don't have the energy to migrate, frankly. Chrome does what I want, and the password manager is seamless enough that anything else is less-robust and more work.

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tswerts -1 points 3 years ago

I used to play around with a lot of internet browsers and executed on top of that scripts in greasemonkey, add-ons, plug-ins, ... . But the trustworthiness of these things were not clear for me anymore. So now I'm at using Edge Chromium. Better the devil you know 🙂

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user224 -1 points 3 years ago

I only ever tried Chrome on school computers but it was useless, always kept crashing.

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JshKlsn 5 points 3 years ago

Interesting. I switched to Firefox and will stay there, but I must say, Chrome is the most polished browser I've used. Firefox is a weird buggy mess that constantly freezes.

The Android version is clunky as hell, also.

Not to mention they finally fixed an issue with the print dialog in Firefox after months and me reporting it every single update.

Still sticking with Firefox, though.

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Aiastarei 9 points 3 years ago

I've been a Firefox user for ages on all my devices and I have no idea what you're talking about

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JshKlsn 9 points 3 years ago

Which part?

Firefox doesn't handle media playback as smoothly as chromium based browsers do. This is because of the codecs and plugins Firefox uses instead.

Firefox on Android is very clunky. Pull to refresh was in the beta for years, and they finally just released it into the main branch and it's bugged to shit. It was a meme how long it was in development and still doesn't work right, despite every other browser and app having pull to refresh work perfectly.

I want to be clear, I exclusively use Firefox and think chromium is dangerous for the web. I'm just not going to lie and act like firefox is perfect. If it was, it would have larger marketshare. There's a reason Chrome, despite being a privacy nightmare, is still at the top. There's a reason nearly every browser is chromium based.

I think being open about the shortcomings and experience you have with software is healthy. Good for development and good for making new users switch. Being critical is a good thing!

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Gizm0s 5 points 3 years ago

Preach, brother.

I love Firefox for all its customization and configuration. I use it exclusively on my personal machine.

That said, Chrome is objectively the better browser for 99% of websites.

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FunnyUsername 4 points 3 years ago

You're getting downvoted for an opinion, but I'm upvoting you because I actually want to know the downsides of switching, because I'm considering it myself. Is there any truth to what you're saying, or do people just not like you saying something bad about firefox? I don't mind downsides to switching, I'd just like to be aware of them first so I don't get surprised and frustrated.

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AbidanYre 8 points 3 years ago

My guess would be that calling it a weird buggy mess that freezes all the time does not line up with most people's experience.

I've been using Firefox since before it was Firefox and have no idea what he's talking about.

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JshKlsn 3 points 3 years ago

Firefox had multiple full rewrites because it was losing marketshare due to performance. They market this as quantum and they are very up front about it.

https://blog.mozilla.org/...

I'm glad your experience with firefox has been perfect for decades. Doesn't mean I'm wrong.

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tchebb 5 points 3 years ago

I mainly use Firefox (on both Linux and Android), but I also use Chrome regularly. I wouldn't describe Firefox as buggy or clunky. On the whole, I find Firefox more pleasant to use than Chrome on its own merits—nothing at all to do with privacy or Google.

I do agree that Chrome is more performant on JS-heavy websites, but not so much so that I find Firefox sluggish by comparison. And both slow down significantly once you have lots of tabs open.

I prefer Firefox's tab UI to Chrome's, both on desktop and mobile:

  • Firefox on desktop will scroll the tab bar horizontally once you have enough tabs open, meaning you can still see the title of each. Chrome will keep on shrinking your tabs until each is just an icon, making it really hard to tell between different pages on the same site.
  • The "tab groups" feature of Chrome on Android confuses me and isn't intuitive at all IMO. Firefox just has a traditional list of tabs, which I find much easier to use.

I also love Firefox's screenshot tool. It's so much nicer than taking a screenshot via the OS:

  • It lets you screenshot an entire page even if it's too tall for the screen.
  • It lets you select specific elements on the page precisely.
  • If you invoke it through the developer console, you can take high-DPI screenshots even if you're using a low-DPI monitor. It'll re-render the page for you behind the scenes.

Firefox also has way better (read: any at all) hardware video decoding support on desktop Linux than Chrome does. Some distros patch Chrome to add that support, but Firefox has it in official builds out of the box.

I started using Firefox on Android because my old phone (Nexus 5X) was very RAM-constrained and Firefox seemed to kick fewer other apps out of RAM than Chrome did. I now have a newer phone where RAM isn't an issue, but I still use Firefox, mainly for uBlock and because it can sync tabs, bookmarks, and history to Firefox on my desktop. It runs just as smoothly as Chrome does in my experience.

This is all my personal experience, though. I have experienced frustrating Firefox bugs in the past that make it crash or freeze, and it sounds like GP is currently experiencing one such bug. But I've used Firefox for over a decade and probably only encountered 3-4 such bugs. Each time, once I got frustrated enough to go digging, I found an existing upstream bug report describing the root cause and a workaround to use until a proper fix landed (usually within a couple releases). I've used Chrome a lot less regularly, so I don't know if the experience there is comparable or if they do just have better QA for bugs like that. Either way, I think the benefits of Firefox for me outweigh the occasional bug that gets through for a few releases.

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FunnyUsername 1 point 3 years ago

Thanks a lot for this detailed run down! You've done a good job filling in the blank spots for me, and convinced me to download the app. I forgot that there was a desktop version as well, I've only been thinking of mobile! I have noticed YouTube videos look worse when streaming from my PC vs on the TV apps ..it'll be interesting to check if Firefox does better because of what you said about the video.

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JshKlsn 3 points 3 years ago

Performance is worse in general. It's something you'll have to try for yourself, but websites generally load worse on Firefox.

Some Google websites will intentionally block you, or serve you older pages if you're on Firefox. Using a plugin to modify your agent string is a work around, but also makes it seem like you're using Chrome within their analytics which isn't a good thing.

Like I said, firefox had a bug where printing shipping labels wasn't working. Took me months of reporting before it was just recently fixed. No one ever acknowledged my issue, and still to this day the bug report was never marked as fixed. I had to run my company from a chromium based browser for months because of it.

The Android app is ass. It's so clunky and runs like crap. At least it has ublock origin, which is nice. Only recently did firefox finally get pull to refresh, and it's a buggy pile of crap lol.

I think it's good to use Firefox. Chromium based future isn't a good thing, and Chrome is evil trying to block ad blocking with manifest v3, and being literally the only Android browser without ad blocking. Even chromium based Edge has ad blocking on Android.

People on Lemmy are hard core enthusiasts at the moment. I think anyone that says anything negative about things enthusiasts are really passionate about, like Firefox, Linux, etc, will be downvoted.

I think it's important to not be a fanboy and to be aware of shortcomings. I'm not against Firefox. It's the only browser I use now, and I highly suggest everyone give it a try, but I'm also not going to pretend it's some amazing experience. It's clunky, but it's run by a good foundation, has some neat features Chrome doesn't, and it's helping prevent an even larger chromium monopoly. Give it a go! Just be aware it's not perfect, and I think you'll be more likely to stick with it long term.

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FunnyUsername 2 points 3 years ago

The way it's seeming after reading some of these replies is I may end up just having both browsers installed and swapping depending on what I wanna do... Not ideal, but I think it'd be better than all Chrome all the time. Thanks so much for the info

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ThoughtGoblin 2 points 3 years ago

Everytime Firefox updates I have to restart the entire browser or it won't let me open a new tab. This has been going on for years. As a dev, I can't dynamically edit source during runtime ever since the Quantum update. It's noticeably slower these days, which is especialy bad on mobile/laptops due to battery life. If you're on Windows, you don't get video super sampling (NVIDIA) or HDR videos.

I wouldn't call it a buggy mess that crashes frequently, but it's certainly constantly getting on my nerves.

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FunnyUsername 2 points 3 years ago

Shouldn't you have to restart the browser when it updates? Isn't that normal? That's how Chrome works? Or do you mean it doesn't save your browser tabs for whenever you opens, or?

The no-hdr videos might be a deal breaker for me on PC.... I watch a lot of videos. Thanks for mentioning this.

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natedogg -1 points 2 years ago
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Qualanqui -1 points 3 years ago

Firefox is alright, it served me adequately after Opera got sold off, but Vivaldi is so much better.

Even though it's based on a fork of chromium Vivaldi has an extremely strong focus on innovation as well as privacy, they've commited themselves to working around Mv3 for instance and their in-built ad-blocker is absolutely top notch but you can also install uBlock Origin to work with it in tandem on their desktop browser if you want.

And even though it's extremely feature rich, with speed dial, ad-blocker, password vault and side bar being some of their out of the box features all their power user functions are opt in through the settings where you can choose to stack your tabs vertically or enable mouse gestures (couldn't live without these) and a whole bunch more, it really offers everything you could think of and probably a whole bunch more.

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Infinity187 -1 points 3 years ago

This is a funny take on internet privacy. You do you. I'm sure you've already left multiple footprints all over the place, thus making this post flawed and irrelevant. Your info, whatever it may be, is already out there.

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first_ad4972 -1 points 3 years ago

How is brave compared to firefox in terms of privacy? If they are at least equal brave should be better because chromium-based browsers should have better compatibility on most websites.

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jtk -1 points 3 years ago

The time for everyone to do that was 10 years ago. It's too late, Chromium won. I'm pretty sure even manifest v3 isn't going to kill it's market share when it finally drops.

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Lightor -1 points 3 years ago

I would love to and have tried. But I've found too many times that Firefox just doesn't work for some sites. And unfortunately some of those sites are needed for my work.

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penix -2 points 3 years ago
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TenTypekMatus -2 points 3 years ago
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hero2zer0 -2 points 3 years ago

I have been using firefox wince forever, never really cared about privacy tbh…i just like it 🤷🏼‍♂️

What’s the real concern about privacy anyway? I mean google (gmail) and apple (iphone) already know more about me than my family…

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Nioxic -2 points 3 years ago

If you truly value privacy you'll use mullvad vpn and tor browser?

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mr_tyler_durden -2 points 3 years ago

If only Firefox wasn’t so slow and such a terrible developer experience. Oh, and my bosses don’t give a fuck about Firefox so I’d have to retest in Chrome/Safari anyways.

Lastly Mozilla sucks. Like wtf are they doing over there? They put all their effort into shitty product they kill faster than Google does. Then they turn around and half-ass their browser while taking money from Google to make it the default search. Mozilla sucks and Firefox leaves a lot to be desired.

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Engywuck -2 points 3 years ago

I'll keep using the browsers that serves me the best, and it's not FF. Thank you for your concern.

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Gili -2 points 3 years ago

Firefox on Android is just not good enough. Mostly slow and glitchy, last time I checked a few months ago. And at least one website wouldn't load the mobile version properly. In fact, I'm still struggling to find a really good browser for mobile.

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passably9 -3 points 3 years ago
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MortyMcFry -3 points 3 years ago

Firefox is starting to crack. I get these stupid refresh your browser things on my servers and all these sign in pop ups. Firefox used to just be a browser.

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malloc -3 points 3 years ago

Chromium should be gucci though

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Snowman44 -4 points 3 years ago

I don't understand what's wrong with tracking me for advertising. If I have to see ads they might as well be something I might be interested in. Google can give more relevant search results. Things cost less. What are the downsides to selling my information to advertisers?

I understand how tik tok can be used for cyber warfare so I don't use that. I don't know what china can do with millions of people's personal information. Chrome doesn't collect nearly as much data as tik tok.

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Brochetudo -4 points 3 years ago

My dual core Celeron laptop tells me you should go fuck yourself and your slow browser

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gon -4 points 3 years ago

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gobbling871 -4 points 3 years ago

Nah. The real advice here is use uBlock Origin and control your cookies. Both Chrome and Firefox contains things that go against user privacy.

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woo -5 points 3 years ago

test

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MrGeekman -6 points 3 years ago

Brave is also great.

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ArtificialLink 13 points 3 years ago

Its still chromium based.

Also as a quick edit brave has been caught in some "snafus" when it comes to your privacy or your web browsing experience

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MrGeekman 4 points 3 years ago

Isn’t Chromium basically Chrome without the spyware?

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GigglyBobble 4 points 3 years ago

Nope. Chromium is the open source basis of Chrome but also developed almost exclusively by Google and already that one calls Google webservices. That's why projects aiming to "ungoogle" it exist.

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MrGeekman 1 point 3 years ago

Right, but just because a browser is based on Chromium doesn't mean it has the Google spyware, right?

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ArtificialLink 3 points 3 years ago

Not necessarily

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Chozo 1 point 3 years ago

Chromium is the open source project that Chrome is based on.

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MrGeekman 0 points 3 years ago
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Chozo 10 points 3 years ago

Didn't they just get in trouble for using user data to train AI? Or am I thinking of another browser?

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MrGeekman 6 points 3 years ago

Shit! You’re right! Dammit! Now I gotta go back to Firefox!

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tirestarter 2 points 3 years ago

was that Brave browser or search engine? never fully understood from the article

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MrGeekman 1 point 3 years ago
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salient_one 6 points 3 years ago

I never liked them for shilling crypto way too much.

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august_senpai 5 points 3 years ago

Unironically better to use Chrome than Brave. They're both spyware but at least you're not actively deluding yourself about privacy with Chrome.

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