Outsourcing is the problem.

The owners take advantage of our commons, tear up our roads, and succeeded because of domestic infrastructure, only to refuse to pay full price for labor and allowing even those wages, in lieu of the taxes they bribe our government to enact loopholes to dodge, to "trickle down" domestically as their always bullshit yay market capitalism talking points lied?

It's absolutely clownshoes that outsourcing labor/manufacturing is allowed, not because of domestic shortages for a skill, but to explicitly pay pennies on the dollar for the employees you need and screw the country you don't want to pay taxes to despite record profits even harder.

It's insane. But we let the owner class dictate whatever they want here, and our well bribed government will even sell it for them by calling it "something something freedom" while never mentioning social consequences, accountability, or responsibility. We aren't so much a country as a piggy bank and cudgel for the global owner class.

That the neat thing, you don't.

Here, for certain industries (might be all but I don't have first hand accounts of that), the contractors must make sure that the companies/freelancers they employ pay their taxes, otherwise, they are on the hook for it.

Do the same. If a company outsource work, they should prove that they pay the same as they would in their region, and if it not, be hit hard by fines and/or jail time.

But one can only dream I guess

Should apply to that as well if they're interacting with the US market. All the way through subcontractors to the end employee. No hiding behind contracting local companies.

That is naive. I hope you don't have any employees

Also, y'all are thinking of what $3 buys in the US. The purchasing power is far different. $3 buys a lot over there.

You misunderstand. We aren't unaware or ignoring the purchasing power difference, that's obvious, everyone knows currency differs. The issue is and always has been the outsourcing to increase profit in general, regardless of country or purchasing disparity. There is no reason to use a teleconferenced cashier for a retail location other than minimizing employee pay, not just by paying the minimum required here but literally taking a local job and shipping it overseas so you can instead pay what would be a clear poverty wage here, while undoubtedly having record profits like all these companies end up with.

I mean, yeah probably. That's not the point. The point is that it's a race to the bottom for people living in higher cost-of-living places.

I really don't care how much buying power they have over there. A fair days work here in the US should be paid in turn.

Okay. Imagine the purchasing power of someone who made the NYC minimum wage of $16/hr.

Maybe pay people for their time, not what the exchange rate "might" be.

Depends on the region, lowest is about 350 php or 6 usd per day. Most of the call centers are in the big cities however where wages are a bit higher and they well enough to be thought of as a decent job.

Why?

From the article, Sansan Chicken, Sansan Ramen, and Yaso Kitchen, all in NY. (Since nobody has said it yet)

Well yeah. When you eat at a restaurant, and tip, generally you’re not intending to tip the solely the cashier.

Before chanting along with the hate chant just think for a second. When’s the last time you tipped a cashier, with the intention of the tip going to the cashier and none of the rest of the staff?

When the supreme Court has their finger in the scale it makes everything feel fuckin hopeless

The person in the Philippines gets a good job out of this

Resulted in community silence instead

I would probably just turn around if I saw and understood what I was looking at. Definitely wouldn't go back a second time.

They are not physically in the US, and probably work listed as some sort of overseas contractor. Whatever wages they earn are from their employer who contracts for the restaurant.

That’s probably how it works.

Sounds like they've already got a POS, just higher up on the org chart.

$3 is good pay over there, buys way more than our $3. Bet people are scrambling for those jobs. Good money when the daily min wage is $8-$10.

For example, my wife's ex took her family and friends to the fanciest restaurant they could find. $120 (including tip) for 16 people.

Americans are the ones exploited here. McDonalds is pumping money out of the country and taking our jobs.

I would rather use a POS terminal than try to talk to someone over zoom with no headphones. If it's not a human in person who can just say "hmmm the computer is broken here's your sandwich" then it's worse.

Good luck finding a judge taking such a position

Judiciary is just a rubber stamp for the corporate needs. Last 40 years of court rulings speak for themselves.

Courts ain't saving slaves

Sounds like something the Department of Labour could legislate... Or could have.

But the supreme court just ruled that this falls under the courts jurisdiction and there's a snowflakes chance in hell that a case pushed high and far enough will result in those ghouls will rule in favour of labour interests.

So what can the citizens do to get traction on this?

BuT nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK aNyMoRe

:D

Obligatory -

It's usually impossible not to, because we have no visibility into the supply chain or there's no other options. In this case, it's impossible to ignore.

Whoa, slow down there, Einstein, I don't understand your hacker jargon!

Or turn off the monitor and bounce lol. If you don't have employees to fix things, systems are hilariously easy to break.

plug a mouse into the pc behind the monitor and hit "Leave" on the (I assume) Zoom call.

“If someone’s consistently lucky, it ain’t luck”

They'll send in the national guard

Thanks. I didn't know about Venezuela's history at all. But I meant not more on a policy level to mandate that all companies must be owned equally by employees instead of shareholders

Got some sources on that? I was born and raised there and all I can find is the government seizing factories, not the workers

Edit: some sources of my own

https://www.nbcnews.com/...

https://www.lanacion.com.ar/...

Thanks! First time hearing of this.

By that hyper-simplistic "logic" people shouldn't be forced into prison if they murder someone.

Clearly some kinds of forcing in some situations are "good", and if some are good but other not, that means the real discussion is all about "when is forcing right and when is it not?" something that childlike "logic" of yours doesn't even begin to address.

Forcing is absolutely good. We force companies to do all kinds of things, in terms of corporate governance (publicly traded companies must have their finances audited, for example), ownership (banks used to be prevented from buying stock so that they would not avoid calling in bad debt), and how they do business (collusion between big tech to keep salaries down for example).

Yeah because private Enterprise will be guided by the invisible hand to do the right thing

Fact but it does not negate that physically present employees deters some crime.

High traffic grocery stores who put in self check outs are staffing several guards now and put in some clown fences and gates...

But hey guy who put in self check and guy fired cashiers both got bonus...

Guy hiring security and putting fences also got bonus. These clowns will pay anyone any amount of money as long they don't pay the worker for the actual job.

I remember working in a store and a guy walked through the scanner at the door and it went off, the other employee looked at me and was like "that guy stole something, hey?" And I was just like "yep" and we went back to whatever we were doing lol

Retail jobs will tell you this too as they want as little liability as possible.

Plus the registers only usually have a couple hundred bucks max at one time.

Can confirm, if they give any appearance of being human, even for years on end, it's a lie, they are complete psychopaths and will throw you into the fire not even to save themselves, just to feel slightly less insecure.

gestures broadly at the entire us pharmaceutical industry

Yes but in general people are less likely to steal if there is a person standing in front of them watching. I'm not even talking about robbery just people stealing a candy bar or whatever. If it's just sitting out with no one around people will take it.

Stealing and robbery are different

Don't yell at the cashier, he didn't do anything wrong.

Right, Corpomerica will corpomerica

It’s more they use spray existing kitchens to do so.

The Denny’s around here is a ghost for like 3 different places

This is pure Astronaut meme with “wait, AI is just 3rd world wage slaves?”

No, that is just a pre-recorded message. I once went through a mcdonald's drive thru that had just closed. They asked me for my order and after I gave it, I realized no one was in the restaurant. I pulled around and they asked me again every time I stopped at the order point, but there was no cars in the lot.

Lol. Not the hicks. Theyll see foreigner and get pissy

We have this in the US to. Even McDonalds does them!

I also love the amount vending machines Japan has. I'd love to have machine for tea or late night ramen around every corner.

Those are awesome for the 7.2 minutes in a row they work without some intervention.

Source: McDonald's drive-[through].

Ohh

So that’s how it works - video was actually quite interesting.

Uh huh......avoid......

tightens brick

“Please don’t destroy my job to satisfy your desire to virtue signal”

— the person who now has a job as a cashier

Yeah but he reminding us "that daddy can do it anytime to you"

U feel me?

Tips are split and go to the whole team

Good point!

Are call centers the same way? And any company relying on Business Process Outsourcing (BPO) firms?

Would be a lotta layoffs overseas if we restricted all foreign labor making less than local minimum wage. Is that a fair trade off? (Not being facetious, genuine question again)

Oh one thing that’s kinda messed up is when tech companies go through consultancies to hire workers in India, the consulting companies take HALF!! Wild!

Things in america should be more expensive. We do not pay for the full cost of what all of our goods and services cost, mainly due to exploitative measures like in this post.

You can double down all you want but the real answer is that we just shouldn't be able to buy nearly as much stuff as we do. We love being consumers anf watching the trash heap grow, while we take advantage of anyone smaller than us in any remote corner of the Earth.

I don’t know what to think because I want everyone to win, but it’s hard to deny I’m biased towards my countrymen here stateside.

Re-reading my comment, did it sound like I meant:

it’s too bad this job is being outsourced

or

psh, too bad, this is the reality of a global world!

I did mean the first one.

I should want everyone to win but I’m biased towards Americans in situations like this - and I don’t know if I can justify it, if I can universalize the maxim.

I don't think anyone ever said anything about it being convenient. I'm pretty sure I specifically said it was bad just not as bad as it could be.

Jobs are not a finite resource. If there is a pool of people who want to work, someone will find stuff to pay them to do.

I seriously would love for my entire current set of job responsibilities to be automated. There are a couple of value-adding full-time jobs' worth of work I could be doing for my employer that are just being left on the table right now.

I agree it sucks that anyone would lose their job, but why is the default of people in the "west" having well paid, air conditioned jobs, and other people getting those jobs stealing from them.