Blizzard games are coming to Steam

3 years ago by simple to c/games

Steam meets Blizzard.

I guess they're giving up on convincing people to download their launcher.

zikk_transport2 207 points 3 years ago

Not gonna play them if they include their launcher after game is started from Steam lol.

EDIT: I am very happy to hear that everyone hates them. EA as well as Rockstar has shown that their launchers are shit. On Steam Deck EA games often fail to start at all due to EA launcher updates, and Rockstar launcher takes around 3-5 minutes to start a fucking game (which should start instantly).

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PenguinJuice 95 points 3 years ago

This should be unacceptable. Launchers are bloatware.

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elouboub 48 points 3 years ago

I don't understand what the point of a blizzard launcher is - steam is already a launcher.

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LuckyCharmsNSoyMilk 54 points 3 years ago

Ads. Ads and data harvesting.

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thann 10 points 3 years ago

yeah, plus steam takes 30%

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sheepyowl 2 points 3 years ago

The games are coming to Steam. Even if the launcher is there, Steam still gets the 30%

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Mongostein 7 points 3 years ago

The Battle.net launcher pre-dates Steam though, doesn’t it?

Edit: guess not. Steam came out in 2003. I hadn’t heard of it until well after the Battle.net launcher came out in 2013. πŸ€·πŸ»β€β™‚οΈ

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beefcat 22 points 3 years ago

Battle.net actually launched in 1996, though the client as it existed back then would hardly be recognizable as a launcher/storefront today. The modern client launched in 2009.

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Donjuanme 9 points 3 years ago

Battle.net is dead and gone. The launcher has nothing to do with battle.net and everything to do with attempting to harvest as much data as possible, bonus if you run it in the background without playing any of their games.

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Mongostein 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah I just mean the launcher application. I dunno, I had it way before Steam was even on my radar though.

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beefcat 33 points 3 years ago

Mike Ybarra confirmed on the bird site that these games will launch directly through Steam, no bundled launcher nonsense.

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Boiglenoight 1 point 3 years ago

That's awesome!

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zikk_transport2 1 point 3 years ago

confirmed

I've heard OW2 has dropped PVE while it was confirmed that PVE will exist lol.

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de_lancre 4 points 3 years ago
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zikk_transport2 1 point 3 years ago

Lmao yeah

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rockerface 5 points 3 years ago

Battle.net launcher can literally be closed after the game is running. It even has a setting to automatically do so. Why would they pull this sort of bullshit, I have no idea

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beefcat 11 points 3 years ago

Why would they pull this sort of bullshit, I have no idea

They aren't, they said that the Steam versions of Blizzard games will not require the Battle.net launcher at all.

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QubaXR 6 points 3 years ago

Each time battle net launcher opens,it displays a popup banner for cosmetics, warcraft stuff, overwatch stuff etc. They get free ads in your eyeballs.

No way they will let it go. It will be steam -> battle.net -> game

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russjr08 8 points 3 years ago path: 0 1476503 1478246 1479436 1490844, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
zikk_transport2 0 points 3 years ago

I expect the worst, and I am usually right. You are probably correct lol.

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Sturgist 4 points 3 years ago

My immediate reaction was:

Pffffffffffff.....get fucked!

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Kamek_pf 1 point 3 years ago

Do we know if it'll work this way ? It sounds so stupid but I wouldn't put it past them

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zikk_transport2 1 point 3 years ago

Pretty sure it either allows to login within game, or launches their own (micro?) launcher first, where you have to login with Blizzard account and then starts the game.

Pretty much all "steam games" that are primarily available elsewhere run this way using mini launchers...

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Whirlybird -4 points 3 years ago

On Steam Deck EA games often fail to start at all due to EA launcher updates, and Rockstar launcher takes around 3-5 minutes to start a fucking game (which should start instantly).

I mean, this sounds suspiciously like something a company that makes the device that also owns and runs the biggest digital game store might do intentionally.

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semperverus 0 points 3 years ago

Except its not. Valve has gone out of their way to make sure other peoples' games and launchers work, even if they're not selling directly through Steam. Look at the Proton patch notes if you're not just being a conspiratorial asshole and actually care about the facts.

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uglytruck 93 points 3 years ago

I really wish Steam would put their foot down and stop these launchers. They are nothing but a nuisance and add no value for the customer.

EDIT: Just to be clear, when EA Play joined Gamepass there wasn't a separate launcher when you went to play an EA game on the Xbox. Steam could make this work with them and the other companies. They have enough pull to make this work - it would be greatly welcomed.

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thablkafrodite 30 points 3 years ago

According to the steam page it says it only requires a battle.net account. Usually it says when another launcher is required.

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simple -2 points 3 years ago

Steam having a monopoly is not a good thing for anyone. Competition is good, even if the other launchers are a bit annoying.

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Shiroa 53 points 3 years ago

Yeah but like, launcher isn't a market. Game Store is the market they're in. I'll happily buy a game from a different store if thats the only place it's offered or even if it's just cheaper there. The annoyance is when they want to be Steam. I don't want to be forced to download another launcher to play a game. If you want what Steam has, create a launcher that offers better services than Steam.

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simple -31 points 3 years ago

But most games aren't DRM-free, so the launchers are necessary to verify your account and ownership of the game. Otherwise every store would be GOG, and most publishers won't use it.

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TwilightVulpine 22 points 3 years ago

Steam already does that verification.

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Shiroa 3 points 3 years ago

Launchers are a solution to DRM, not the solution. The way today's modern market is, it's understandable that some gamers have forgotten that there used to be games you bought directly from the publisher's website. DRM was done by asking you to sign into your account before launching the game, a lot of games still make you do this today. There's also the tried and true method of phoning home with a product key for DRM as well. There's no shortage of ways to be independent, very few companies are interested in doing so because Steam is convenient.

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sheepyowl 1 point 3 years ago

GOG and Humble are really good stores though

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teamchuckles 22 points 3 years ago

This isn't a monopoly issue. Other launchers exist. Most of the games on Steam are available on these other launcher, yet people still prefer Steam.

I can only speak for myself, but I prefer Steam because it's more customizable so I can set it to open to my library first instead of a rotating ad banner, the storefront ads are not intrusive and can be easily ignored, and steams remote play is something that no other launcher offers.

In fact, I am not sure what the other launchers offer that they excel at over Steam.

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BURN 15 points 3 years ago

Steam has competition by way of Epic, EA, Blizzard. Steam is just the far superior product and people don’t want to change

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sacredbirdman 15 points 3 years ago

Having a monopoly is not good.. I just wish others wouldn't completely ignore Linux users.. Valve/Steam on the other hand is seriously pushing it forward which makes me very much biased toward them.

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itsJoelle 4 points 3 years ago

Yeah. While them having the most successful platform for distributing games can be troublesome in the monopoly sense, I'm still sunny to them just because of their support for the Linux community.

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Molecular0079 8 points 3 years ago

At least Valve isn't a public company and beholden to shitty investor politics though, so I am more okay with Steam than... literally any other game launcher.

Plus they're the only launcher that fully supports Linux, so until that changes I am rooting for Steam.

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Pokethat 6 points 3 years ago

Yeah, steam is good, but it can get bad if they sit around for too long and get fat. The threat of others is a good thing.

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spriteblood 3 points 3 years ago

I just wish the competition gave any attention to Linux support. GOG Galaxy has been out idk how long, they sell Linux games, and still not even a launcher.

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toxicbubble 3 points 3 years ago

i love how polarizing the votes on this are, you aren't wrong. gog is a huge competitor but they have their own launcher too which is annoying

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Nefyedardu 3 points 3 years ago

Competition is good, even if the other launchers are a bit annoying.

What does "competition" between companies really mean? It means they are competing for customers. Annoying me with shitty launchers is the opposite of competing. Make things cheaper, offer better services and more features. This is competition. Steam (and GOG) is the only one actually "competing" here. And look what happened? Microsoft, Ubisoft, Blizzard... one by one they fall to Steam because they simply cannot comprehend this fact.

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magic_lobster_party 2 points 3 years ago

False. It’s a good thing for Gabe.

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sadreality 1 point 3 years ago
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pory 1 point 3 years ago

So let them distribute their launchers and storefronts, Valve couldn't stop it. But it's not monopolistic for Steam to say "if you want us to approve your product for our store, you can't have the game launch into a pop-up for someone else's store".

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drasticpotatoes 63 points 3 years ago
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scops 34 points 3 years ago

Back in 2011, Rob Pardo of Blizzard said of Diablo III's always-online requirement, "I want to play Diablo 3 on my laptop in a plane, but, well, there are other games to play for times like that.”

I wasn't a fan of that sentiment and I haven't played a Blizzard game since.

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Redditiscancer789 6 points 3 years ago

"well we have a product already for the people who can't afford the always online connection for Xbox one. It's called Xbox 360."

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XLRV 2 points 3 years ago

Lol what a stupid take it was, glad that Don Mattrick has been replaced.

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Serpardum 3 points 3 years ago

All except Diablo. Diablo I is still my favorite Diablo game, though.^___^

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Zoot_ 2 points 3 years ago

The only bliz games i would consider playing lol

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bleepbloopbleep 56 points 3 years ago

Never touched my Blizzard Account again after the sexual harassment and paygap scandal.

I've put 15 years of lifetime into my druid... It still hurts a little because I've loved WoW for a long time.

So Blizz switching to Steam couldn't interest me any less.

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BakedGoods 16 points 3 years ago

Same after they kowtowed to China about Hong Kong and Taiwan.

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Wrench 1 point 3 years ago

Ditto. I won't even give them usage stats on games I had previously purchased. Nothing to take to the board and say "we have returning users that we hope to convert into sales!"

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haohao 51 points 3 years ago

Now I'm not gonna buy/play them on steam too

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LordyLord 2 points 3 years ago

You and me both brother.

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Apex_Fail 40 points 3 years ago

Glad they made this decision right after the worst patch in Diablo history

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Rai 2 points 3 years ago

What happened with this Diablo patch? I’m skipping D4, but I love me some drama.

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darth_helmet 6 points 3 years ago

Same old story: buffs for the already-strong, nerfs for the fun stuff, kneecap progression and loot. All the stuff that pisses players off.

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Rai 2 points 3 years ago

Diablo 2 is tied with β€œmy favorite game I’ve ever played” and everything I hear about D4 makes me happy I skipped it. :c

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SCB 3 points 3 years ago

Diablo 2 is my least favorite Diablo game, and you are right to skip D4 if you're a massive fan of D2. D4 is much more like Diablo 1 and Diablo 3 had a baby.

Path of Exile may be up your alley tho! I strongly recommend that game for any D2 fan.

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scala -1 points 3 years ago

Desperation

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Syrc 34 points 3 years ago

I love this! Finally there’s going to be actual statistics to see how much their games are actually dying.

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hellodub 33 points 3 years ago

I mean that's cool an all, but why not mark the occasion by giving us Overwatch 1 back? That'd be real neato

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root 26 points 3 years ago

Maybe it will come back as Overwatch classic.

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FormlessMartian 19 points 3 years ago

β€œYou think you want it but you don’t”

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JonVonBasslake 3 points 3 years ago

That's optimistic thinking about OW2, people clearly wanted OW1 to continue.

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Sabata11792 1 point 3 years ago

A great chance to buy all your classic OW1 skins again.

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ultratiem 31 points 3 years ago

Blizzard had plans to dump the launcher shortly after D3 2.0 dropped. Then they backpedaled and where like no wait launcher is great! πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

β€œPlayers on Steam will still have to connect Overwatch 2 to a Battle.net account, but they’ll have access to all of Steam’s amenities like their friends list and achievements.”

Lol. Okay then.

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comic_zalgo_sans 17 points 3 years ago
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HeavenAndHell 1 point 3 years ago
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warmaster 27 points 3 years ago

Link to original news source on Blizzard.com https://news.blizzard.com/...

Link to the Steam Page https://store.steampowered.com/...

Finally, so much people will join, that I'm sure someone will fix the Proton bug where the mouse pointer loses focus and you have to tab out and back in to regain focus after respawning. Hell, there are so many heroes that don't require precise aiming, that it would even make it a playable game on the Steam Deck.

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ProxyZeus 3 points 3 years ago

It has been fixed in protonGE

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warmaster 1 point 3 years ago

Does valve ever merge commits from PGE ?

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Silviecat44 26 points 3 years ago

People love a monopoly when it suits them

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SomethingBurger 44 points 3 years ago

Steam is the best platform by far, and the only one with Linux support. It's not Valve's fault if other publishers aren't even trying to make a good product.

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Nefyedardu 25 points 3 years ago

People love things that benefit them as consumers and hate things that don't, end of

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vaultdweller013 17 points 3 years ago

It wouldnt be so notable if they just let me download the game by itself. If I have to download a fucking launcher every time then I want the games to be centralized atleast somewhat.

Seriously every fucking conpany a fucking launcher for a while there, even fucking bethesda had one.

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FinalBoy1975 3 points 3 years ago

I'm permanently annoyed with the launcher thing, too. I wish someone would come up with a software store app that 1) installed all the right crap so the game works right and 2) didn't require you to open the app to open the game. Steam, for example, lets you install the game with a start menu shortcut, but if you don't have Steam open, clicking on the start menu shortcut opens Steam first, then Steam launches the friggin' game. Then there is the Bethesda launcher. Then Blizzard's Battle.net launcher. There's an Xbox launcher. Yadda yadda. I don't know if their primary goal is monopoly as much as it is forcing you to open a program with a store in it so you see stuff to buy when you want to play a game. I think having a monopoly is secondary. Primary to them is forcing you to see that they have more shit for you to buy. I'm pretty sure Apple's iTunes is the one that started it all. Let's integrate shopping for music into the computer. Then, the phone. Now it's not just music. It's every friggin' thing. People with shopping addictions must have a hard time if they're also gamers or fans of other digital media.

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Iapar 4 points 3 years ago

I think you can choose your library as the startscreen when steam opens.

But I think you are right that the game should open without starting steam. I would guess it has something to do with DRM? because with GOG you can just download the game and start it from desktop without launcher.

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FinalBoy1975 4 points 3 years ago

Yes, your library can be the start screen when it opens. But first you must see the other window (that I always close without reading) telling you about today's "special deal" or some game you might like to buy.

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LetMeEatCake 15 points 3 years ago

I doubt anyone will complain if Blizzard's games are brought to other storefronts too.

I like Steam. Steam has the best features, best UI, good sales, and while they are not without faults (systems can stay unchanged for a long time!), they are run by a company that by and large respects its userbase.

I don't mind if games are brought to Steam and any or all other storefronts. Put it on GOG, Windows Store, EGS, Itch.io, battlenet, Origin, Uplay... You name it, I approve of it going there also. If those other storefronts want me to use them, they need to provide a comparable or superior experience. GOG comes the closest, but its inability to get games in a timely or predictable manner, if at all, is too much of an obstacle for me.

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Whirlybird 1 point 3 years ago

best UI

Steam has one of the worst UIs I've ever seen lol. It looks and feels like a website from the early 2000s.

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LetMeEatCake 10 points 3 years ago

I find it infinitely more usable than all of the other storefronts I've used or seen. Interacting with my library is easy and straight forward. Buying games is easy and straight forward. When it opens I'm not inundated with ads for games I don't care about, or ads at all.

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Whirlybird 1 point 3 years ago

Showing you games that are available on the store isn’t an β€œad”. This mentality needs to go away. If you walk into a store, everything on the shelves isn’t an β€œad”, it’s a product.

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HeavenAndHell 5 points 3 years ago
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assassin_aragorn 5 points 3 years ago

I'm ambivalent on console exclusives for this reason. It certainly drives sales for a console, but it's so anti consumer

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Solarius 3 points 3 years ago

I feel like a game being made available on an additional platform is like the opposite of monopoly. If steam paid Blizzard for exclusive storefront rights and you could only get the games on PC from Steam id be inclined to agree.

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old_ghost -1 points 3 years ago
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Silviecat44 1 point 3 years ago

β€œSteam should be the only game launcher I use”

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SuperApples -1 points 3 years ago

Indeed! Monopolies are great. Why have five stores when you can have a one-stop-shop?

It is the capitalism that is wrong.

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BuiltWithStolenParts 1 point 3 years ago

You could stop at five or six stores... or just one.

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Silviecat44 1 point 3 years ago

Just stop already with the β€œcapitalism bad” shit. The only negative thing about Lemmy so far. In all systems its the people who ruin it. End of story.

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Syrc 1 point 3 years ago

But that’s the point…? Pretty much every economic or political system β€œworks” In theory. Capitalism, Communism, Democracy, Dictatorship. What goes wrong is always the people.

Therefore, one should aim for a system where people have the least possible ways to screw everything up (not that I have a suggestion, sadly)

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Serpardum -5 points 3 years ago

Apparently Steam is being sued for being a monopoly and abusing it, which is probably why they have to allow other companies games now.

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SuperApples 8 points 3 years ago

Valve has like five games, and the hundreds of thousands of other games on Steam are from other companies, and they've had 3rd-party games since 2005.

Activision/Blizzard didn't put their games on Steam so they can push their own store, it was to not make payments to a third party, and have high visibility of their own products (e.g. advertise CoD to Diablo players and vice versa). Of course, they miss out on the visibility of being on the largest game marketplace.

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Serpardum 2 points 3 years ago

Correction: Activision)blizzard COULDN'T put their game on steam with their own store because of steams monopolistic TOS: which is what they got sued over.

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SuperApples 1 point 3 years ago

EA have their games on Steam and Origin and have for years, Blizzard could (and will) have their games on Steam and Battle.NET. I've seen nothing to suggested they were unable to put their games on Steam, but rather decided it wasn't in their interest, given Steam's TOS and/or what they could gain from having their own marketplace.

Steam is being sued by Wolfire for antitrust, but there is no outcome in this suit yet. Unless you're referring to a different suit I don't know about.

Even if Valve loses this lawsuit, it doesn't meant they have to allow any specific products from other companies on Steam. It just might mean a reduction in fees, or an inability to sign exclusivity deals (which are common across the industry, weather you like them or not, and I know I don't). The Wolfire antitrust lawsuit is because they sell other companies games on Steam, to the point that they dominate the marketplace, not because they were stopping other companies from selling games on Steam.

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Nacktmull 25 points 3 years ago
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Kerred 15 points 3 years ago

Isn't Diablo 4 one of the top profitable games this year (if you include extra transactions), and are there deets on how much Overwatch 2 makes in a month?

Naturally gamers here don't care, but I imagine much like Madden or Fifa the mainstream buys tons of Blizzard stuff.

When I did in home jobs decades ago there were quite a few people who played Warcraft and not even remotely familiar with other games let alone how to use their PCs

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pizzatime 6 points 3 years ago

your last sentence still sums up wow players decades later

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Kerred 3 points 3 years ago

Oh, ha.

I do run a game store nowadays and it's interesting to see diehard board games on message boards get confused why their favorite games sell so poorly compared to more mainstream titles. 😌

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Pumpkinbot 0 points 3 years ago

"Profitable" does not always mean "good".

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NuPNuA 3 points 3 years ago

No, but it does mean "not irrelevant" which was OPs claim.

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Kerred 1 point 3 years ago

The slogan since the antiquity

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SCB 0 points 3 years ago

Yeah but it's also the best Diablo game ever made. 1 is the only one even close.

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Hyperi0n 1 point 3 years ago

Diablo 2 Resurrected is the best. Followed by Diablo 2 and then the original Diablo. Bottom 3 are Diablo 4 Diablo 3 and Diablo Immortal.

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Widowmaker_Best_Girl 13 points 3 years ago

They made a really hot character in Overwatch though. I'll give them credit for that.

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Goblin_Mode 7 points 3 years ago

I saw a comment the other day that said something to the effect of "shout out to r34 artists I didn't even know overwatch was a real game until 2 years after it came out"

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Widowmaker_Best_Girl 3 points 3 years ago

Dude, Rule 34 artists made me utterly obsessed with the character and I still have never played either of the Overwatch games.

In fact, I know I would probably even hate playing as Widowmaker since she's a sniper and I am garbage in that role lol.

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stephen01king 4 points 3 years ago

Which one, specifically?

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smacks 7 points 3 years ago

Check his username lol

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Widowmaker_Best_Girl 5 points 3 years ago

Widowmaker. Hence the reason for my username

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stephen01king 2 points 3 years ago

How can I be so blind lol

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NuPNuA 10 points 3 years ago

I mean Diablo 4 is going gangbusters right now. They may be irrelevant to your tastes but clearly they're pretty popular with gamers as a whole still.

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Nacktmull 5 points 3 years ago
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Sniatch 5 points 3 years ago

Man I was really hyped for Diablo 4 but I think I just finished act 3 recently and I'm already bored. I don't know what it is that makes the game so soulless to me

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jugalator 4 points 3 years ago

I agree but I've been around from Diablo 1 original launch and in my fourties now so I was just chalking it up to me growing out of it ("it" being Diablo and maybe gaming at large). I'm really bummed about it though because I expected a completely different feeling, even buying my console largely for it. Diablo 2 Resurrected cheated me, maybe out of nostalgia. I found that one really fun and thought D4 would learn D3 lessons and be amazing. But I barely feel anything playing through its campaign. It just feels like work. That I'm following a carefully planned treadmill and pacing with the monster scaling and all. In a grey world with generic monsters. Maybe it's me, maybe it's the game, maybe it's both, but it's made me finally begin disregarding Blizzard Entertainment games...

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nac82 1 point 3 years ago

Its dead after the story. They nuked endgame content imo.

Was not happy with the patch notes but signed in with my 4 friends. We beat the start of the new season stuff, then immediately saw how shit the season was about to be.

Basically after 2 short missions, you do NMD only. Helltide is worse than useless, which sucks because it was my favorite solo casual grind for endgame.

All 5 of us were off the game within an hour. We decided to go back to playing old games. 2 of us went back to playing Diablo 2 lol.

Diablo 4 is hot garbo rn.

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CaptPretentious 0 points 3 years ago

How much of that was just nostalgia and hype though. How much staying power does it actually have.

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Hyperi0n 0 points 3 years ago

D2R was amazing and D4 has a huge player base.

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InternetTubes 22 points 3 years ago
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MeanEYE 22 points 3 years ago

Awww, they are such a good guys. They are doing this for us and they want to make sure they respect user's choice. Totally it's not the fact Overwatch2 is not earning anything and other games have been in decline since Activision merger.

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NuPNuA 5 points 3 years ago

Probably more just prepping for the MS deal to be finished as they've promised to bring games to other platforms/launchers.

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MeanEYE 3 points 3 years ago

With ActiBlizz it's all about money. Just look at D3 auction house. They purposely dropped wrong items to players in order to force them to use auction house. When it was found out they backtracked. But it's always been like that. Same with WoW and mounts. Etc. They keep milking everything.

I have never thought I'd see the day when I think MS is the good guy in a merger.

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ieightpi 21 points 3 years ago

i'd be okay with having diablo on my steam library. too bad i bought them all on battle.net....

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Powerpoint 7 points 3 years ago

If it goes how Bethesda did you'll migrate your library over

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Ranman 5 points 3 years ago
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Saneless 1 point 3 years ago

That's what happened to Destiny 2 from battle.net to steam, expansions and all.

But different sitch I guess, Activision was selling the IP

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changingfmh 19 points 3 years ago

Great news for Linux users! Bnet was one of the better launchers, but having a launcher for 5 games is a bit silly.

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noobdoomguy8658 2 points 3 years ago

There's nothing stopping them from pulling of a Rockstar move and still requiring you to use a launcher when you start the game in Steam.

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russjr08 2 points 3 years ago

So far that is not the plan - they could change it of course I'm sure, but it won't be this way at launch.

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XLRV 1 point 3 years ago

Yeah, but it's a bit easier to install the game directly from Steam instead of installing Bnet as a non Steam game and then downloading the game on Bnet.

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mudmaniac 19 points 3 years ago

Lol. I have hundreds of hours on OW (NOT OW2) and Diablo III (not IV), and i can safely say I forgo ever playing those 2 games again because of the toxic entity that is Acti-Blizz. Not that I have much choice considering OW cannot even be played as its own game now.

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IBNobody 7 points 3 years ago

You'll have to hold out for OW Classic (that you'll have to rebuy).

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mudmaniac 1 point 3 years ago

That one single downvote is because they know it's true. 🀣

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Heffy 5 points 3 years ago

Played alot of OW but really not a fan of OW2 and how the whole game revolves around the battle pass.

Was nice to just play a game or two a night, get my free lootbox and slowly get skins

Now unless you dedicate a full time job amount of hours, you'll be lucky to get 4 unlocks a seasons

Plus single tank is awful

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mudmaniac 3 points 3 years ago

I left when I read that Blizzard staff got the axe while Kotick got himself a sweet sweet money enema of a bonus.

When Michael Chu left in 2020 i started playing more Monster Hunter and Genshin. When Jeff Kaplan left I finally uninstalled Battle.net.

Now unless you dedicate a full time job amount of hours, you’ll be lucky to get 4 unlocks a seasons

Thanks. At least I have some affirmation I made the right choice. At least I can be content I'm playing something worthwhile like Genshin. #damnedeitherway 🀣 🀣 🀣

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soulifix 19 points 3 years ago

I still think they're gonna just launch Blizzard.net anyways, similar to Ubisoft games and EA games. Let's not get too ahead now.

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CataclysmZA 18 points 3 years ago

The launcher isn't really the problem, it's the fact that Overwatch 2 isn't making them any money!

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EssentialCoffee 18 points 3 years ago

You still have to use Battle.net, so that's an absolute no-go from me.

Glad they're giving folks options though.

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ProxyZeus 15 points 3 years ago

You need a battlenet login, but not the launcher

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CaptPretentious 3 points 3 years ago

Doesn't the launcher also double as their anti cheat system? I thought the launcher also managed Warden

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ProxyZeus 3 points 3 years ago

I don't think so, but also I thought most of ow2 anticheat was serverside

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Hyperi0n 2 points 3 years ago

Warden works on Battle.net the server not the launcher. Very few games have Warden.

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biofaust 17 points 3 years ago

Reading the comments I tend to think that people are so unfamiliar with competition that they fail to recognize it when seeing it at work: if you have competition, stuff fails and dies. This idea that everything should survive and that I as the user should be the receptacle of thousands of shitty products preaching variety as an excuse for their existence is insane. Launchers existed, could have used IP as an advantage to develop a valid product instead failed and therefore will disappear. I still use GOG Galaxy no problem alongside Steam.

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startlefrenzy 16 points 3 years ago

Battle.net has been around since at least StarCraft 1. I'm glad Blizzard is showing signs of throwing in the towel when better storefronts/launchers are available

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Izzy 33 points 3 years ago

I can nearly guarantee you that once you download it from Steam servers that it will require the Battle.net launcher.

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TheZoltan 6 points 3 years ago

I can see this isn't your first rodeo!

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DanseMacabre 5 points 3 years ago

Mike Ybarra confirmed this is not the case. They will launch directly from Steam.

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warmaster 2 points 3 years ago

Is there a source? I want to believe this so much.

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beefcat 1 point 3 years ago

They already said this won’t be the case

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AnonTwo 12 points 3 years ago

This is battle.net 2.0. Most of Battle 1.0's functionality had to either be ported or just isn't there.

Battle.net 1.0 is so different that warcraft III vomited server instability when it moved to 2.0. They're the same in name only.

And as others have pointed out, it will probably still require 2.0 in order to play the games, just that Steam's launcher will point you to battle.net

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RadButNotAChad 5 points 3 years ago

Since Diablo. Back when I played on dialup. I'm old.

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Nefyedardu 16 points 3 years ago

Pretty obviously trying to pull an "Apex Legends" to try and save the flailing Overwatch 2.

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Lenins2ndCat 14 points 3 years ago
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tswerts 14 points 3 years ago

I'm not a hardcore gamer but I'm a fan of cloud gaming, first Google Stadia (rip) and later Gforce Now. And Gforce Now supports Steam games so the more games available in the Steam-catalogue, the better.

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Katana314 3 points 3 years ago

Well, not all Steam games. Funny thing is, launcher isn't even totally the barrier to getting a game in GFN; UPlay and Epic have games available in GFN as well. Whenever I'm away from home and decide to use cloud, I mostly end up playing Ubisoft games through them.

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Carighan 13 points 3 years ago

This is really good and really bad news.

On the plusside, it really seems like running Battle.net is not a requirement, and it just logs in the bnet account once ingame. Two thumbs up. More availability and people being able to use Steam as a somewhat sensible launcher instead of the frankly annoying Battle.net, even better.

On the downside, I guess this also confirms beyond the investors call that OW2 is bleeding players quickly - and for good reason, since they've shown they cannot handle the fundamental design changes from the switch to 5v5 at all.

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InverseParallax 6 points 3 years ago

Ow1 with flexible teams was fine, I get why they added the restrictions, but they didn't help.

Ow2 is pointless trash.

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pory 6 points 3 years ago

Overwatch 2 failing is bad news? It's everything wrong with GAAS development. If it eats shit and dies, the industry can only take away good lessons from it.

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Boiglenoight 4 points 3 years ago

I was burned on the notion that I could no longer play Overwatch 1. I have 2 copies, one PC and one PS5, that are just coasters now. Granted things are digital these days, but restoring OW1 would be a good first step.

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Blackmist 3 points 3 years ago

They'll learn lessons, just not the ones we want them to.

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pory 0 points 3 years ago
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bracdawg 12 points 3 years ago

This'll be nice. I refused to play blizz games based on their conduct with women and I didn't want their launcher on my pc.

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assassin_aragorn 6 points 3 years ago

That and their response to "Free HK" really pissed me off.

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bracdawg 3 points 3 years ago

I don't think I remember that. What was their response?

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Uli 2 points 3 years ago

They banned a player from tournament play in Hearthstone for saying "Liberate Hong Kong" in a post-match interview.

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bracdawg 2 points 3 years ago

That's lame.

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Kyou_mo_kawaii 1 point 3 years ago

Also took away his winnings

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MajorHavoc 1 point 3 years ago

Ditto.

A tip for others in the same position - I recently discovered that, for me, Risk of Rain 2 is the game that made me stop missing Overwatch 2.

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UltraMagnus0001 11 points 3 years ago

The company that makes Doom lets you use steam and allows you to transfer your data.

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Hyperi0n 1 point 3 years ago

Microsoft.

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TheSpookiestUser 10 points 3 years ago

I wonder what the playercounts will look like? It'll only capture people launching the game through Steam, of course, but I figure they'll be decently high and score among the top concurrent players anyway.

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Skray 9 points 3 years ago

If it's anything like Path of Exile, around 60% of their playerbase uses Steam over their standalone launcher.

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decadentrebel 10 points 3 years ago

Being able to play the original Warcraft again would be awesome and nostalgic.

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MeanEYE 8 points 3 years ago

If you mean Warcraft 2, then yes. If you mean 3, that's not possible they killed that one for the "remake".

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decadentrebel 9 points 3 years ago

I meant the first one. Orcs and Humans.

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Auduras 4 points 3 years ago

Ah, so that's what you meant when you said "original" .........

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Phattybluntz 5 points 3 years ago

You can score a copy of it on GoG. Then download Wargus and enjoy it with more modern controls ;)

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wintermutehal 2 points 3 years ago

This is great info! I wanted to try it, but the very dated controls stopped me in my tracks

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Imperial_Genesis 10 points 3 years ago

I'm actually looking forward to checking it out on Steam, then I don't have to fiddle around anymore with Lutris on my Linux box and I can just use Proton normally within Steam itself.

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half_built_pyramids -1 points 3 years ago

Quite a treasure you have there in that horadric boob

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quinten 9 points 3 years ago

Great news!

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Samuraipizzacat 8 points 3 years ago

Bwahahaha. I was already back and forth with wow for the longest time after wotlk but you could see the direction change and I was a huge overwatch fan. It was my new TF2. But damn it was like coming out of childhood and realizing your favorite hero was not who you thought he was. I'm still holding out hope for valve. They aren't public (I don't think) and gabe has made some very good business decisions. Not to mention the steam deck has done more to take market away from the guilt windows has on gaming. This is a wild time to be alive.

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SimplyATable 2 points 3 years ago

Valve is just about the only company I somewhat trust. Pre-ordered the highest version of the steam deck, and the way they handled the entire development process solidified my faith in them

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Samuraipizzacat 2 points 3 years ago

For real, they're like one of the only companies I know left that just do their thing and not step on anyone's toes. Also the sly push to Linux gaming from creating the steam deck and having people want to make it compatible. Most my machines are Linux now. I only have 1 gaming windows PC left. I wanna learn by immersion.

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SimplyATable 1 point 3 years ago

I'm glad the steam deck took off and actually did well. I think it made a lot of positive changes overall in gaming for linux and handheld consoles. Now I just have to hope they bring back the steam controller

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ono 7 points 3 years ago

I wonder how this decision relates to the Microsoft acquisition.

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Veraxus 15 points 3 years ago

Microsoft did go on the record saying that pulling Call of Duty from Steam was a mistake. Given that they also release their own exclusives on Steam, it's clear they understand that, even if Valve takes a 30% cut, not releasing on Steam is almost as bad as not releasing your game at all.

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BlackVenom 7 points 3 years ago

Can we have Overwatch 1 instead?

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Rokin 7 points 3 years ago

Just Overwatch 2?

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Boiglenoight 1 point 3 years ago

Looks like it's a start of a selection of games. Given that they only make a few games, I read that as all our games.

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Jaysyn 5 points 3 years ago

I've been boycotting Blizzard since the bNetd bullshit.

Glad Steam lets you block entire publishers.

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grue 5 points 3 years ago

I’ve been boycotting Blizzard since the bNetd bullshit.

Hey, neat! This is the first time I've ever seen somebody other than myself commenting that.

Figures that I'd have to leave Reddit for Lemmy to find it.

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TSG_Asmodeus 2 points 3 years ago

Hey, me too, nice to see you both :)

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SJ0 5 points 3 years ago

If they can do GOG I'll pick up their games, steam is ok but really I want to own my games and only GOG does that.

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csolisr 4 points 3 years ago

Will it keep blocking Linux / Steam Deck users from playing, though?

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Molecular0079 6 points 3 years ago

Battle.net works pretty well in Linux at the moment.

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burndown 5 points 3 years ago

What are you having issues running on Steam Deck? I got the Blizzard launcher working and have played OW1 and 2 successfully

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csolisr 1 point 3 years ago

I was under the understanding that Overwatch 2 had an anticheat that prevented Linux players from playing.

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burndown 2 points 3 years ago

Not to my understanding. I was able to get it working just fine once Proton had a patch for it. There are a few guides out on YouTube, it's not a terribly difficult process! Go 4 it :)

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gon 4 points 3 years ago

Only OW2 for now, hopefully HS soon though.

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sickday 4 points 3 years ago

Haven’t you always dreamed of having a launcher to launch your launcher which launches the actual game? Seriously who approves these choices

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twistypencil 4 points 3 years ago

Please yes. Running Diablo in steam deck is annoying. Install lutris, run battle.net,then run Diablo, then login to battle.net, then login to Diablo, then pick your character to actually play the game. Please remove some steps

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itsJoelle 8 points 3 years ago

Oh wow, I use Steam to launch B.net. I don't know how Lutris handles their translation layer, but Steam's Proton hasn't failed me!

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hogart 6 points 3 years ago

Why do you do it this way? Just add the installer to steam. Install the client. Then add the client, launch and install and play.

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twistypencil 1 point 3 years ago

I just followed some directions online

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hogart 1 point 3 years ago

There there, then!

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electromage 4 points 3 years ago

We still can't get free expansions for WoW subscribers? I can't think of any other service where you have to buy the software and pay to use it. Either you buy it and own at least that version outright or you pay a recurring fee for access to the latest version.

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xill47 9 points 3 years ago

FFXIV also has this model, and tbf, every sub-based MMO. ESO, for instance, also requires you to buy latest expansions to be able to play it.

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InternetTubes 5 points 3 years ago
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Myrbolg 3 points 3 years ago

This used to be pretty common. And to be fair, I prefer this model compared to excessive cash shops. (WoW also has one which I don't like, but at least there is no item shop. Though I'm sure they would if it not caused too much of a backlash)

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Swarfega 6 points 3 years ago

Guild Wars 2 has no monthly fee and has a cash shop but the items are either QoL improvements or cosmetic. There's nothing there that gives the player an edge over non-paying players.

I really like the Guild Wars 2 model. The base game is free to play now too.

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Myrbolg 3 points 3 years ago

Yes, I played gw2 for a long time. Unfortunately, I didn't like how WvW played essentially as big blobs stuck together. Pvp was interesting, but missed some objectives there. I'm currently trying WoW, it also has its many flaws, but is a new flavor for me.

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TheCraiggers 2 points 3 years ago

Goddamn I miss GW1. It was the opposite model where you bought the game but then could play for free forever.

But anyway, what an amazing game.

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Swarfega 2 points 3 years ago

This is the same in Guild Wars 2. They make their money from the shop and by selling expansions.

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RobertOwnageJunior 0 points 3 years ago

Gw doesn't really have anything that gives someone an advantage though. It's designed completely different from WoW and to compare them in this way is kons of disingenuous.

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Swarfega 2 points 3 years ago

The idea is everyone can reach the same statistics in terms of weapons, armour and build. It's skill that makes a player better than others. That's why I avoid PvP and WvW :D

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Osfox 4 points 3 years ago

Hope, that sc2 would achieve some online from this move

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MossBear 3 points 3 years ago

I really hope that when Microsoft buys Activision that they bring back Overwatch 1 and put it on Steam. I played OW1 pretty constantly for over 3 years and was having fun with it until the day they shut it down. I played OW2 for less than two weeks and haven't touched it since release. I can respect that some people prefer OW2, but for me it's not even close.

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DrDickHandler 6 points 3 years ago

Not happening.

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umbraroze 3 points 3 years ago

It's been [UMPTEEN YEARS] since I registered a Steam account, and when I registered my CD key for original Half-Life, I got the Blue Shift and Opposing Force for free. (As is the case with of most Steam library items, I've yet to complete them!) Now. Please let me transfer my shit from Battlenet to Steam. I can't wait to get my Starcraft installed! I could finally be a proper PC gamer! /very mild sarcasm

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UhBell 2 points 3 years ago

Nah

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Skray 1 point 3 years ago

It'll be nice to at least track playtimes and have that data in 1 location.

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Boiglenoight 1 point 3 years ago

YES! Very legal very cool

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Kaldo 0 points 3 years ago

I'm sure their games will still use their bnet DRM, d4 especially. Seems like a cheap cash grab, but what else to expect from actiblizz

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KuroiKaze 0 points 3 years ago

Lol the desperation of a flailing bad company. Sorry Blizzard, winter is over.

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Kagami 0 points 3 years ago

The only good game that Blizzard has released is Diablo 3, in my opinion.

Also, they are a shitty company that I do not plan to support on Steam.

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Damage 4 points 3 years ago

Warcraft 1, 2 and 3, Star Craft, Diablo, Diablo 2...

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Kagami 0 points 3 years ago

Personally, I had never been into Warcraft or Starcraft. For me Diablo 3 is the peak, I like how well it is optimised for the consoles. It is my preference.

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TheManIsInsane 2 points 3 years ago

I mean, people seem to have liked the Diablo 2 remaster, along with both StarCraft games. So I'm excited to check those out.

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RocksForBrains -1 points 3 years ago

Gimme steam support for D4 so I can get full compatibility on my steamdeck

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sol -5 points 3 years ago

Blizzard is trash and so is Steam

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storcholus 5 points 3 years ago

But steam is where I keep my trash. No need for a second pile

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bonfire921 5 points 3 years ago

Why is steam trash?

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RetiredMedic1776 -6 points 3 years ago

Considering how poorly their dev’s have been since Activision-Blizztard went woke (around when Vanguard came out) it’s no surprise they are trying to maximize their market. Back when WoW was the undisputed champion of all things MMO’s they never would have considered doing this.

Diablo 4 is garbage, they literally destroyed the concept of seasons that was what kept people playing Diablo 3 for so long.

I’m actually kind of surprised that they aren’t showing up on the Microshaft store first.

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JoeyMoo 6 points 3 years ago

I don't understand what the word woke is supposed to mean here...

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