Does that mean there could be species which humans want to fuck, but which would not consider humans intelligent enough to give proper consent?
OriginalUsername7 65 points 2 years ago
TexasDrunk 51 points 2 years ago
Theoretically, yeah. There are tool using species right here on this planet that pass a lot of tests about self awareness, but we're an order of magnitude more intelligent than a bonobo (well, mostly) and shouldn't be banging them. I purposely used a species that has recreational sex as an example here.
If there were an intergalactic species that saw us as little more than self aware tool users, that would be up to their morals.
DogWater 3 points 2 years ago
I think that as long as we pass this test from their perspective then it's fine
We have to convey the 3 check boxes to one another.
It doesn't matter who is more advanced as long as both species can answer yes to all 3 questions
thawed_caveman 8 points 2 years ago
☑️ Does it have Tier 5 intelligence or greater?
☑️ Is it of sexual maturity for the species?
❌ Can it communicate with subatomic gamma waves?
candybrie 4 points 2 years ago
The first question is the problem. If the aliens have an analog rule ("Do they possess our intelligence or greater?") then it only works if humans and them are roughly the same intelligence.
AVincentInSpace 13 points 2 years ago
Either you're smart enough to understand the concept of consent or you aren't. Even if there is a sliding scale of intelligence of creatures (I have some issues with the concept of intelligence as a thing that can reasonably be objectively measured, but we can put that aside for now), whether you're intelligent enough to understand what you will be doing and what will be done to you and make an informed decision about whether you want to do it seems a pretty binary thing, and largely independent of your intelligence in other contexts (e.g. ability to use tools).
You could make the argument that alien sex might be complicated enough for whatever reason that that the aliens would argue that humans couldn't meaningfully understand everything that was being done to them and thus could not, by definition, give informed consent, but at least from my experience, humans seem pretty on board with things they don't fully understand. Whether it's ethical to fuck someone who has admitted that they don't know anything about what you're going to do to them, is aware they may be harmed by it, and wants to do it anyway is another question.
Besides, all we'd need is for one human to fuck one alien for science to know whether or not it was safe.
AwesomeLowlander 7 points 2 years ago
they don’t know anything about what you’re going to do to them, is aware they may be harmed by it, and wants to do it anyway is another question.
Every 18 y.o. on their first time, sounds like.
dragonfucker 4 points 2 years ago
What if it turns out that all sex has unforeseen consequences that human beings are incapable of understanding? A lot of cultures ascribe spiritual and metaphysical values to sex. What if aliens have an empirical proof that sex affects metaphysics in a way too complex for any human mind to conceive of?
AVincentInSpace 2 points 2 years ago
Considering that metaphysics must be affected in that way in order for any species that practices copulatory sex to not die out...
(You could make an argument for IVF, but...no.)
DogWater 1 point 2 years ago
I think In that scenario that you are describing there is an imbalance in the sexual encounter. I feel that there is a way to approach it in a way that alien explains the consequences, but that would depend highly on what the objective reality of the encounter would entail for the human. (I say human assuming that the human is the one unaware and/or new to the metaphysical experience presented to them by the alien partner.). In a way, I think the human has to agree to accepting unknown consequences.
theneverfox 0 points 2 years ago
I don't think so... Intelligence isn't required for consent, it's informed willingness in the absence of coercion or manipulation. The other factor is the likelihood of harm - I think that covers the full ethics of what beings you can ethically fuck
There's a few ways to look at it
One of my parent's dogs once had sex with a handyman's foot to completion... By the time he realized what was happening it was over, and the dog wasn't very bothered. The guy was also very nice about it, but I bet he stopped wearing sandals to jobs
What if he was into it? It's not like the dog would care... He clearly knew what he was doing. If we're just horny dogs humping their feet, it's not like they're doing anything wrong by not kicking us off
It also reminds me of a YouTube skit where an 18 year old boy goes to an adoption agency to find a 16 year old girl to adopt, with clear implications. It's a dark joke, but I think it lines up with this nicely
Let's say there's an alien species far more advanced than us. We're too dumb to even understand the basics of their technology, so to them we're basically pets - they can keep us around, but we're at their mercy. Now, there's an issue - a human could believe, even falsely, that we have to have sex with them or there will be consequences. We could even believe it's expected of us - and that's not coercive
Now let's say that same species came to Earth, guaranteed the health and happiness if every human, and made tinder for humans who want to have sex with an alien. In that case, if you handle it correctly, you can minimize or eliminate coercion from the act
Maybe the aliens don't even have sex... Maybe they just think humans are cute, and they enjoy making us feel good the way we enjoy petting animals
I don't think intelligence plays into any of this - consent isn't about intelligence at all. It's about willingness in an uncorrupted state
LetKCater2U 14 points 2 years ago
Maybe some humans.
gofsckyourself 8 points 2 years ago
surewhynotlem 8 points 2 years ago
Someone needs to get this to Riker
smeg 4 points 2 years ago
There's also the card game Consentacle
brucethemoose 149 points 2 years ago
A few years later:
These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise.
Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations. And have sex with them.
VindictiveJudge 34 points 2 years ago
Kirk mostly used seduction as a tool; he fucked women because it was expedient. Riker did it just because he could.
ZoopZeZoop 7 points 2 years ago
Riker's motivation seems more pure than Kirk's manipulation. That said, I feel like Kirk was mostly in it for the fun. Like the other comments said, as long as both parties are consenting and not causing death or serious injury to anyone, have fun!
RootBeerGuy 15 points 2 years ago
Yo, my man Trip was first.
oxideseven 4 points 2 years ago
People always sleeping on trip
brucethemoose 1 point 2 years ago
Was he?
Counting time travel and visitors, who was the first human to shag an alien?
What about off Earth?
rockerface 19 points 2 years ago
Interspecies Reviewers but sci-fi
Whats_your_reasoning 18 points 2 years ago
“However, I did make it with a hot alien babe. And in the end, is that not what man has dreamt of since first he looked up at the stars?”
MajorHavoc 14 points 2 years ago
Riker Maneuver intensifies.
gofsckyourself 125 points 2 years ago
Original for those who are frustrated by a phone screenshot of a fuzzy version on Facebook
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/humans-2
Bonus panel:
!spoiler
!<
BenFranklinsDick 35 points 2 years ago
Thank you.
Low quality ass jpegs in 2024 should be a war crime.
gofsckyourself 9 points 2 years ago
You heard them right.
bleistift2 9 points 2 years ago
That spoiler didn’t work, at least on lemmy.
ViperActual 8 points 2 years ago
Thanks for the link! TIL lemmy let's you edit the post URL!
BenFranklinsDick 0 points 2 years ago
Thanks for updating it.
HawlSera 52 points 2 years ago
Obviously Earth has passed the test.
They were given a task, found a group for whom the task would be ideal in both their willingness and ability to do it, and presented this group to the task giver. They did not force a slave class, they didn't do a lottery, they didn't see it as a chance to get rid of undesirables, they just sent people who legitimately wanted to go.
There was no victim, thus there was no crime.
If these aliens can't tell, they're morons who clearly didn't think it through.
Cryophilia 24 points 2 years ago
Sir, this is a Wendys
GoodEye8 15 points 2 years ago
If these aliens can't tell, they're morons who clearly didn't think it through.
There's a popular phrase:"breeding like rabbits". We view rabbits like some sex crazed breeding machines, like all they do is fuck. What if we're the galactic rabbits and the other galactic civilizations aren't trying to fuck everything that moves? Maybe for them kinks aren't a thing and as such their test makes sense because you can't prepare for something you can't imagine (or believe to be impossible).
Imagine you want to prank an alien by putting a bucket on top of the door. When the alien walks in the bucket falls on them. Brilliant, except the alien doesn't move the door because it phases through the door. Are you stupid for making a prank that expects the victim to be solid? Or did you just make the prank based on the knowledge you have, which includes knowing you can't just phase through things.
The aliens weren't dumb. Maybe they did think in through and they thought it would be impossible to be intelligent being to want to fuck extraterrestrials.
peopleproblems 45 points 2 years ago
I mean id at least sign up. Who knows, I could be into it.
If not, hell, at least I'm off earth.
MajorHavoc 11 points 2 years ago
Yeah.
The odds feel at least even as a penniless immigrant in a space faring society, than as a citizen in one that no longer particularly seems to value truth or science.
AwesomeLowlander 45 points 2 years ago
It's weird... I feel like any civilisation worth joining the galactic federation would have no issues finding volunteers to save their civilisation anyway (though maybe not 14 minutes...)
bleistift2 5 points 2 years ago
As an individual, when you’re presented with the choice of giving up yourself for the rest of mankind, don’t you think 10 minutes (minus the time it takes to receive the call) is a bit tight to think about it?
Decoy321 6 points 2 years ago
... To have HOT ALIEN SEX!!!
I feel like that qualifier makes the decision easier for some. That and the low number of volunteers required would definitely trigger FOMO and people would sign up more quickly.
BlueSquid0741 38 points 2 years ago
You know, sometimes I wish I did a little more with my life instead of hanging out in front of places selling weed and shit. Like, maybe be an animal doctor. Why not me? I like seals and shit. Or maybe an astronaut. Yeah. Like, be the first motherfucker to see a new galaxy, or find a new alien lifeform... and fuck it. And people'd be like, "There he goes. Homeboy fucked a Martian once.
SaharaMaleikuhm 22 points 2 years ago
15 bucks little man, put that shit in my hand
ZombiFrancis 4 points 2 years ago
Goodbye horses...
popekingjoe 3 points 2 years ago
Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me.
jpreston2005 2 points 2 years ago
I unironically got into that song for a minute, and I'm just a little on the 'tism scale so I tend to listen to the same shit over and over. My SO was super weirded out by that song, because she couldn't dissociate it from that scene in Silence of the Lambs. At that point I started putting it on just to mess with her, because she would always make a quip or give me a weird look, to which I'd immediately jump up and do the buffalo Bill pose-dance. T'was fun.
Man, I just think it's a banger
FlyingSquid 22 points 2 years ago
"I mean we've been coming here for 50 years and performing anal probes and all that we have learned is that one in ten doesn't really seem to mind."
ViperActual 109 points 2 years ago
dragonfucker 3 points 2 years ago
Drag's name is Dragon Rider and drag approves this message.
gir9862 1 point 2 years ago
path: 0 12851746 12852171 12857795, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
idiomaddict 3 points 2 years ago
Maybe, but they might also have never encountered warm blooded species, so it’s a toss up
ViperActual 10 points 2 years ago
I miss that sub
acockworkorange 2 points 2 years ago
I always preferred the HASO variety.
MonkderVierte 10 points 2 years ago
Uhm, if the owner of the site is here, the "random" button presents you with an xml.
bleistift2 1 point 2 years ago
Not for me. Did you maybe find an easter egg?
MonkderVierte 7 points 2 years ago
Oh right, i have third-party scripts blocked by default on mobile. Now it works.
Still, uh, why was it made that way, that it needs JS to random-load a page?
bleistift2 9 points 2 years ago
Without JS the button points to the RSS feed. This serves as a placeholder. The button was most likely copied and pasted.
Upon page load the website makes a call to the /rand.php endpoint, which returns a date in ISO8601 format. That is then used to produce the actual link.
<script>
$.get("/rand.php",function(data){
$('.cc-navaux').attr('href','https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/' + data);
});
</script>
(lines 172ff. of the HTML source) Why? Ask the author.
helpImTrappedOnline 8 points 2 years ago
Just blow them up while you can...they spread
helpImTrappedOnline 4 points 2 years ago
About time, been waiting my whole life!
jlh 7 points 2 years ago
Considering the behavior of hive organisms, what is the difference between a species forcing individuals to go with the aliens, and members of a species willingly going? From a biological perspective, what is the difference between individuals being exposed to fear hormones and being exposed to horny hormones, to an outside observer?
Do bees willingly die to protect their hive? Do humans have children out of a desire to see their species thrive?
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