Not likely to be AI-generated or Deepfake

2 years ago by wsis to c/lemmyshitpost

French immigrants are eating our pets!

pennomi 195 points 2 years ago
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db2 53 points 2 years ago

There were a lot of really good images like that well before AI. Anyone remember Photoshop Friday?

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Paradachshund 30 points 2 years ago

There's a sort of... Sheen, to a lot AI images. Obviously you can prompt this away if you know what you're doing, but its developing a bit of a look to my eye when people don't do that.

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Mac 2 points 2 years ago

They're often too smooth.

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Sparky 5 points 2 years ago

Can we bring that back?

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Venator 1 point 2 years ago

The shell looks ai generated though, if it was photoshopped it would've been a snail shell used for the source image.

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arken 52 points 2 years ago

I mean, it could be a manual photoshop job.

It could, but the double spiral in the shell indicates AI to me. Snail shells don't grow like that. If it was a manual job, they would have used a picture of a real shell.

Edit: plus the cat head looks weird where it connects to the head, and the markings don't look right to me.

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pennomi 25 points 2 years ago
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rickyrigatoni 22 points 2 years ago

Snail shells don't grow like that but this is clearly a snat, not a snail.

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arken 13 points 2 years ago

Even cnailshells would have to adhere to the basic laws of conchology though

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fishbone 12 points 2 years ago

Also the fact that the grain on the side of the shell is perpendicular to the grain on the top, and it changes where the cat ear comes up in front of it.

Very telltale sign of AI is a change of pattern in something when a foreground object splits it.

Not saying it's always a guarantee, but it's a common quirk and it's pretty easy to identify.

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Hackworth 7 points 2 years ago

I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.

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fishbone 8 points 2 years ago

Your reference is ancient and dusty and it makes me feel old. Stop it.

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cley_faye 53 points 2 years ago

…you know people made fake pictures before image generation, right?

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pearsaltchocolatebar 28 points 2 years ago

They made fake pictures before computers existed too.

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drake 7 points 2 years ago

This obviously can’t be true, how did they do it without Photoshop? /s

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pregnantwithrage 1 point 2 years ago

I mean, optical illusions have been used to fool audiences for years.

https://youtube.com/...

This is a motion picture of course but the idea is "faking" an image isn't too far off.

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drake 1 point 2 years ago

Hehe, I know, I’m just being silly - the /s on my message means it’s in a sarcastic tone :) but thanks for taking the time to share that video!

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Entropywins 2 points 2 years ago

I've seen the cave paintings deer and horses everywhere but when I look around nothing but rocks and trees.

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DrMorose 43 points 2 years ago

"We investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong."

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BigDanishGuy 2 points 2 years ago

Back2thefuture_iknowthisone.png

That's a song by the police, right?

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DrMorose 2 points 2 years ago

Iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg

LOL

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Entertainmeonly 38 points 2 years ago

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xavier666 15 points 2 years ago

Miao

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darth_tiktaalik 33 points 2 years ago

Ignorant Americans, never even heard of the common snailcat

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Hobbes_Dent 7 points 2 years ago

Where the fuck are you from that they aren’t called catsnails? Odd. Been catsnails here since I can remember.

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todd_bonzalez 29 points 2 years ago
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Rubanski 22 points 2 years ago

Check the snail house. The swirl has two endings. Definitely AI

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DragonTypeWyvern 1 point 2 years ago
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Hackworth 1 point 2 years ago
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Slovene 5 points 2 years ago

Deleted by creator

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rdri 5 points 2 years ago

Or maybe your expectations from ai detection are too high.

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TropicalDingdong 28 points 2 years ago

I have two of those cats. I still can't catch them when its time to go to bed.

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UpperBroccoli 26 points 2 years ago

No spooky eyes, no extra limbs, no eery smile? - 100% real, genuine photograph! 👍

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nicerdicer 23 points 2 years ago

It's a snat. They are not easy to catch, because they are fast. Also, they never land on their shell.

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lemmydividebyzero 22 points 2 years ago

cute snat...

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derpgon 12 points 2 years ago

That's clearly a cail

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ivanafterall 15 points 2 years ago

Are we all looking at the same snussy?

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TheBrideWoreCrimson 7 points 2 years ago

We get them a lot around here. They don't make for good pets, but they keep the borogoves at bay.

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fishbone 6 points 2 years ago

Which is great, honestly. Borogoves themselves are fine, but it's not worth the risk letting them get all mimsy.

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lily33 17 points 2 years ago

Such a cute kitty snail! Can you post just the picture?

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unexposedhazard 6 points 2 years ago

Its an "AI generated image at snail" :3

Detection for snail is positive.

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FlyingSquid 17 points 2 years ago

I wanted to get a cat but I discovered I was allergic to the slime trail.

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Sam_Bass 12 points 2 years ago

yeah just shopped

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TimeNaan 3 points 2 years ago

It's not, look at the shell

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nilclass 12 points 2 years ago

That's a normal housecat. Not sure what people are confused about

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DragonsInARoom 11 points 2 years ago

Chat is the picture real?

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Pudutr0n 7 points 2 years ago

It's a real valid picture in png format.

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atro_city 2 points 2 years ago

Oui, biensur!

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frosch 2 points 2 years ago

HAS SCIENCE GONE TO FAR?!

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LovableSidekick 9 points 2 years ago

Clearly AI is on the verge of taking over the world.

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Meron35 9 points 2 years ago

Well duh it detects AI generated images that are at scale and that snail cat is way too small for it

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neanderthal 6 points 2 years ago

My guess is the AI was trained on a combination of cat videos and sponge bob.

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gravitas_deficiency 6 points 2 years ago

That is a weird looking rabbit

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HeckGazer 6 points 2 years ago

It has been 0 days since classified military gene research has been leaked by interrogating ai detecting models

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AdrianTheFrog 5 points 2 years ago

honestly, its pretty good, and it still works if I use a lower resolution screenshot without metadata (I haven't tried adding noise, or overlaying something else but those might break it). This is pixelwave, not midjourney though.

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OpenStars 4 points 2 years ago

So only 2% "not likely to be AI-generated or deepfake"... that means that it's almost definitely AI, got it!? :-P

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PetteriSkaffari 2 points 2 years ago

Not unclear as a whistle.

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mm_maybe 4 points 2 years ago

There are a bunch of reasons why this could happen. First, it's possible to "attack" some simpler image classification models; if you get a large enough sample of their outputs, you can mathematically derive a way to process any image such that it won't be correctly identified. There have also been reports that even simpler processing, such as blending a real photo of a wall with a synthetic image at very low percent, can trip up detectors that haven't been trained to be more discerning. But it's all in how you construct the training dataset, and I don't think any of this is a good enough reason to give up on using machine learning for synthetic media detection in general; in fact this example gives me the idea of using autogenerated captions as an additional input to the classification model. The challenge there, as in general, is trying to keep such a model from assuming that all anime is synthetic, since "AI artists" seem to be overly focused on anime and related styles...

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lugal 3 points 2 years ago

So the prophecy is fulfilled

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brucethemoose 3 points 2 years ago

Honestly, they should fight fire with fire? Another vision model (like Qwen VL) would catch this

You can ask it "does this image seem fake?" and it would look at it, reason something out and conclude it's fake, instead of... I dunno, looking for smaller patters or whatever their internal model does?

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jaybone 3 points 2 years ago

What tool is this? I assume the tool is also AI based?

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Prethoryn 2 points 2 years ago

You have never seen the all elusive catsnail? Bummer you should look harder.

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Krauerking -3 points 2 years ago

Isn't there a whole thing about if you average out colors on AI generated photos you get a uniform beige grey toned color? As the brightness is usually about 50/50 from the original noise map. (Added in for the people who I confused with colors)

I don't get why these tools don't just do that but I guess you got to keep the marketing up of using AI to find a solution.

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TheRealKuni 4 points 2 years ago

Either that’s not true of AI images or it’s true of all images. There aren’t answers that simple to this. Pixels are pixels.

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vithigar 5 points 2 years ago

It is absolutely not true of all AI images. I'd be surprised if it's even true about most AI images.

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Krauerking 1 point 2 years ago

Just saying that because you feel like it's true or because you've participated in that line of thought for even 5 seconds?

AI images come from a noise map, it's true cause they generate from it in a consistent manner.

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vithigar 2 points 2 years ago

I'm saying it because it's not only obvious with even a moments thought (you can literally just ask it for an entirely red image or whatever), but also because it's easily provable.

Prompt: "Under the sea"

Image:

Average pixel colour:

Prompt: "a man with red hair wearing a red coat standing in front of a red background"

Image:

Average pixel colour:

So I ask you the same question. Did you just say that because you felt like it was true?

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Krauerking 1 point 2 years ago path: 0 13199882 13200566 13204777, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 7
TheRealKuni 1 point 2 years ago

My point is that AI images don’t differ significantly enough from non-AI images. “AI images” is an extremely broad category.

If you are narrowing that category to, say, “all Dall-E images” or “all Midjourney images” or something, MAYBE. They tend to have a certain “look.” But even that strikes me as unlikely, and those are just a slice of the “AI images” pie.

As someone who has played around with Stable Diffusion and Flux, the “average color” of an image can vary dramatically based on what settings and models you’re running. AI can create remarkably real-looking images with proper variance in color and contrast, because it’s trained on real photos. Pixels, as I said, are pixels.

That’s not to mention anime or sketch or stained glass or any other medium imitation. And of course, image-to-image with in-painting, where only parts of an image are handled by the AI.

My point is that if there were overtly simple answers like, “all AI images average their color to a beige,” then there wouldn’t be all this worry about AI images. It would be easy to detect them. But things aren’t that simple, and if you spend a small amount of time looking into the depth that generating AI images has gained even in the last year, you’d realize how absurd a simple answer like that is.

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Krauerking 1 point 2 years ago

So because you "make" AI generated images you are saying that they are magical and don't follow the rules of their generation?

They are based on noise maps and inferred forwards from there. They leave a history in the pixels it's how lots of people are detecting them.

Just because it's trained on real photos does not mean it's still a real photo. Just cause it looks fine doesn't mean there isn't stuff true beneath it.

In the video I linked they even talk about how the red blue green maps have the same values cause it started with a colorless pixel anyways. A real sensor doesn't do that.

I worked with photographers and in Photoshop and did what you think you are doing. Working with images and pixels are not just pixels. That means nothing. Dogs are just dogs. There are still different breeds and types of dogs.

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