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sin_free_for_00_days 240 points 2 years ago

When I was a union rep there would be people that would bitch about the $70 bucks a month or whatever the dues were. I would explain that without the union their pay would be far, far less (not even bringing up the benefits of work hours, vacation days and whatnot). Like the "all taxes are theft" morons, the words often fell on deaf and willfully ignorant ears.

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kautau 134 points 2 years ago

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Kalkaline 43 points 2 years ago

They probably have no idea what the Homestead Strike was.

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jaggedrobotpubes 146 points 2 years ago

I hate paying 10 dollars to get 25 dollars. The worst.

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GoodEye8 19 points 2 years ago

Because these people don't see the bigger picture. They see they could get $35 if they didn't have to pay the union. What they don't see is that the union is the reason they're "getting" $35 and without the union they're definitely not going to get $35. And obviously any non-monetary benefit (such as more days off) goes way over their heads.

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prole 14 points 2 years ago

It's not even just about money, and anyone who's worked a union job will tell you that. Many of the benefits of unions aren't completely measurable (e.g. correcting the balance of power in favor of workers, even if just a tiny bit).

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kn0wmad1c 92 points 2 years ago

Even if it wasn't a bot, why is she mad at unions when she's barely scraping by? Unions would help her with that

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olafurp 22 points 2 years ago

Union payments in Iceland are like $20 per month. I'm pretty sure union workers get at least 20 cents more per hour than non union workers to break even.

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lime 46 points 2 years ago

union busting tactics in the us are basically on toddler level. remember the pamphlet that was sent out to united airlines workers when they were unionising? "union dues are $600 a year. why not spend that money on a new videogame system instead?"

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olafurp 11 points 2 years ago

That'd still be a bargain. Many unions in Iceland pay 75% of psychological help, glasses and exercise subscriptions by doing some collective bargaining magic. They also provide "time shares" type of vacation bungalows and more.

All on top of higher salaries, better working hours and working conditions and will provide legal assistance in case of wage theft which my sister had to use one time.

Basically a quality of life upgrade that pays you money even though it may not say so on the pay slip.

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lime 3 points 2 years ago

yeah i used my union membership to get a lower interest rate on my car loan. lots of benefits.

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pingveno 2 points 2 years ago

Same at least for my union in the US. I haven't needed it, but it's there for the people who do. Most of the benefits like dental have better coverage through my employer, but I am sure it is more relevant for other bargaining units that they work with.

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captainlezbian 7 points 2 years ago

In the US standard is 2.5 hrs/month. I can't say for certain I made that back cash, but by the time benefits and job security were added i more than made it up

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prole 8 points 2 years ago

If you are asking for the arguments to make sense if you think about it for longer than 3 seconds, then you are asking too much.

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Quadhammer 3 points 2 years ago

I've saved a lot of headache by realizing people are dumber than I think they are

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kittenzrulz123 3 points 2 years ago

I think thats the joke

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phoenixz 72 points 2 years ago

This should be illegal to the point that whoever is responsible for this tweet should be jailed for st least 5 years.

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ALoafOfBread 44 points 2 years ago

If Amazon paid someone/company to do this, then it definitely is illegal. But likely no jail for anyone, just minor fines chocked up to the "cost of doing business"

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1985MustangCobra 6 points 2 years ago

And people will lap this up as a genuine Amazon worker. Disgusting.

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phoenixz 1 point 2 years ago

Yeah, no, that should be jail time for whoever sighed off on this.

Make a few examples and people will very quickly stop signing off on shit like this

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brucethemoose 22 points 2 years ago

Except the king of disinformation bought Twitter. And “we” not only keep using it en masse, but basically elected him as president.

I dunno about the rest of the world, but the US is way past the event horizon, and the chance of ever arresting people like this is less than zero.

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ChildeHarold 12 points 2 years ago
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orrk 7 points 2 years ago

the whole point is to kill the FDA and NIH

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ChildeHarold 2 points 2 years ago
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Phoenicianpirate 69 points 2 years ago

You'll get a lot more salary with Unions...

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UnderpantsWeevil 19 points 2 years ago

As a Single Mother With Two Children I am afraid that the Union will be bad, aktuly. Are you disagreeing with me? You simply don't understand what its like to be a Single Mother With Two Children. Why are you attacking me? I am a simple Single Mother With Two Children who is too weak and tired to argue with you.

As a Single Mother With Two Children I am just asking questions about why the Union is bad and now you, a big Pro-Union Thug, are hurting me and my Two Children who are very small and vulnerable.

Stop! Please! Help! The Union is Hurting Me! It's just as I anticipated!

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Trainguyrom 11 points 2 years ago

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explodicle 15 points 2 years ago

Well yeah we know that!

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Phoenicianpirate -1 points 2 years ago

She probably does, too. She is a shill.

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DragonTypeWyvern 14 points 2 years ago

She's not real, we just went over this.

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Reygle 13 points 2 years ago

Hey now, yer fancy pants logic ain't wahlcome round these parts. - Muricuh

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Bytemeister 8 points 2 years ago

I was part of a union. I got paid minum wage. My manager was the union rep. I had to work a role that I was literally allergic to.

Despite this, I'm still pro-union. Just not that particular union.

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gamermanh 11 points 2 years ago

My manager was the union rep

I'm like 80% certain that's illegal basically everywhere innit? Conflict of interest

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Bytemeister 5 points 2 years ago

I'm sure it was very illegal, and nobody did a thing about it.

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13esq 2 points 2 years ago

In my union, reps have to be put up for vote every three years, and if even after that you still don't like them, you have the option to go straight to your FTO.

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Someone 1 point 2 years ago

They may also be using the term manager very loosely. At my workplace most of the supervisors are union, but they have 1 top person at each department of each worksite who's excluded from the union (not really management, but a company representative at least).

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hogmomma 1 point 2 years ago

I've never heard of management being in the same bargaining unit as the rank and file. Odd.

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Tolookah 61 points 2 years ago

This person may be a higher up at Amazon, knowing that unions will diminish her bonuses (salary) because the workers underneath her are making more and no quotas are being met.

This is no excuse though

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oakey66 116 points 2 years ago

This was from the amazon beef with Bernie sanders back in like 2019. Amazon created a bunch of these fake accounts only to be called out for it later.

https://amp.theguardian.com/...

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dustyData 17 points 2 years ago

I doubt any higher up is "barely scraping by". And as another comment brought up the recipes, this is most definitely a bot.

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prole 5 points 2 years ago

Won't someone think of the "higher ups"?

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Tolookah 2 points 2 years ago

After the last few weeks, I imagine there's a bit of "not like this!" Going on

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noxy 38 points 2 years ago

could have been real because of some "ambassador" scheme they had where they'd hook a select few warehouse workers with social media handles to spread the propaganda

which only makes it more creepy if you ask me.

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UnderpantsWeevil 6 points 2 years ago

they’d hook a select few warehouse workers with social media handles to spread the propaganda

Then, if the media didn't trend or the employees couldn't keep up with their workload plus social media, they were fired.

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infinitevalence 30 points 2 years ago

Also a lie in lots of places.

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madeinthebackseat 26 points 2 years ago

I've always wondered, what prevents creating a corporation to hire every worker possible, makes them proportional owners, and then negotiates wages and benefits on their behalf?

One enormous corporation that has all of the benefits of a union.

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random 16 points 2 years ago

you mean like free market syndicalism

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madeinthebackseat 4 points 2 years ago

Yes, but strictly created to take advantage of all benefits afforded corporations via modern laws and political influence.

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prole 12 points 2 years ago

So a co-op?

Like Mondragon?

Not the exact same thing, but is a step in moving society that way, but read up on Germany's co-determination laws.

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dejected_warp_core 6 points 2 years ago

THIS right here. Mondragon is exactly what GP Is asking about.

If you're reading this and thinking about starting an LLC, non-profit, co-op, or union shop, please give this a look too.

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sharkfucker420 10 points 2 years ago

Corporate espionage and competition. It would not be allowed

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Lemminary 2 points 2 years ago

Interesting. Even if it operated like an agency?

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boonhet 3 points 2 years ago

If it operates like an agency, it's already at a disadvantage because the real profit is being made by someone else anyway. Otherwise it's a neat idea.

You don't hire an agency to break even, you hire an agency to work on projects you assume will bring you profit. In my industry in particular, you might hire some agency employees, spend a few hundred thousand a year, to help finish a product that will rake in tens of millions a year, or to create some internal tooling that saves you millions in employee productivity.

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iAvicenna 4 points 2 years ago

I think this model exists. waitrose in UK might be one of them, not sure though.

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snugglesthefalse 2 points 2 years ago

The co-op is also one of these, surprisingly

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Bgugi 4 points 2 years ago

What advantages do you think a corporation would have that a union doesn't?

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BluesF 2 points 2 years ago

I think a major issue is that if the corporation cannot find work for all of its employees, how will it pay them? And since, presumably, there will be admin staff required who also need to be paid, the amount this corporation will charge the employers of the workers will have to be more than is paid to the workers. If this amount is significant, employers can poach employees from the "union corp" by offering more money, while still saving themselves money.

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tiefling 25 points 2 years ago

Does she know it's (usually) voluntary?

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bostonbananarama 13 points 2 years ago

But that's not true. It depends if you live in a "right-to-work" state. Currently there are 26 of them, mostly red states. I would assume that, by population, the majority of Americans do not live in "right-to-work" states.

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captainlezbian 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah I live in a populous red state and was forced to join a union for a job. It was as bad as how they forced me to wear hearing protection and steel toe shoes on the factory floor. Watch out or you may be forced to do such things as well

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SkunkWorkz 10 points 2 years ago path: 0 13886475 13892364, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 3
frostysauce 1 point 2 years ago

That's not even close to the profile picture shown in the OP. What are you on about?

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SkunkWorkz 2 points 2 years ago

It generates a new one every time you refresh the page. The one in the OP is unique. You won’t get the same one, but if you seen enough of them you can spot these AI generated photos. There is just something off about them. Since the lighting and skin texture is almost always the same and the eyes are sort of dead. And the eyes are always in that same spot.

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frostysauce 0 points 2 years ago

Oh, OK! That's cool.

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dejected_warp_core 23 points 2 years ago

That's such a laughably bad "unions bad" take. If there was such a thing as a kind of insurance where they fight to keep you employed, people would probably sign up and pay the fees.

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zeca 2 points 2 years ago
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Gammelfisch 20 points 2 years ago

The anti-union Americans have a vacuum between their ears and enjoy 3rd World working conditions. F-them.

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Malfeasant 2 points 2 years ago

Can we get refugee status in your country?

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IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol 20 points 2 years ago
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Mongostein 9 points 2 years ago

Mine are $30/month but I make $10/hour more than the non-union crews.

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Quadhammer 4 points 2 years ago

See but now I have to do basic as fuck math, and that's scary!

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Mongostein 5 points 2 years ago

You’ve paid your dues before lunch on the 1st

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frostysauce 4 points 2 years ago

The extra money you make by being part of the union pays your dues before lunch on the 1st.

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cheers_queers 18 points 2 years ago

at my job, you are covered by the union whether you pay dues or not

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bstix 7 points 2 years ago

Some countries are like that. There are pros and cons to it though. The unions are stronger when people bother joining.

Also, being covered by an agreement at your work is only part of what unions offer. They have other services for members, like getting your salary checked, legal support, salary insurance, various discounts for stuff, etc.

It might be tempting to save the membership fee, but don't be a leech. Someone worked hard to get the benefits for everyone. Join the union.

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cheers_queers 2 points 2 years ago

i was a part of the union for several years, went to meetings and voted and everything. unfortunately i became disabled and the amount of medical bills etc became so overwhelming i had to cut everything i could. since i was still covered by the union, i had to make that choice for me, even tho it bothers me. I'm not a leech, just in an unfortunate financial position currently. $40 is a lot for some people, especially if they have mouths to feed :(

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SouthEndSunset 5 points 2 years ago

How does that work? Wouldn’t a lot of people just not bother paying?

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sit 17 points 2 years ago

that’s why education in the topic matters. So the roomtemp mf have the info before the business gets to feed them desinfo (or before they try to think for themselves and come to wrong conclusions)

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AA5B 2 points 2 years ago

I do know plenty of people who think this way, and I find the post quite plausible. There’s been so much disinformation about unions in the US, for the last couple generations, that people don’t know any better.

However as an edge case, I do believe it was true for my brother working part time minimum wage. As far as we could tell there were no benefits for the part timers, no extra pay, no protections, no perks, just extra dues to pay. It’s too bad too, this could have been the unions chance to re-educate, show them benefits when someone is starting out so they support unions the rest of their lives. Instead it reinforced his prior attitude and he remains anti-union to this day

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Glytch 15 points 2 years ago

Unless you live in a "Right to Work" state, then you get to benefit from the work of unions without contributing any money to their efforts, much like a leech benefits from the blood production of the animal it attaches itself to.

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ArsonButCute 4 points 2 years ago

I think the comparison to a leech is accurate, as the leech does not know or understand it is a bloodsucking parasite, but continues to steal blood and nutrients, those ignorant of the work unions perform will benefit from them regardless of their contribution.

Rarely do you find someone who both genuinely understands what a union is for and declines to join when offered the opportunity.

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Gammelfisch 1 point 2 years ago

Not exactly, you will receive the prevailing wage, but not the full benefits package. No thanks to right to work, it's a big pile of bullshit too.

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Glytch 2 points 2 years ago

Right to work is a way to hurt unions by starving them of dues.

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Bartsbigbugbag 15 points 2 years ago

Right to work! Right to work!

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Hadriscus 6 points 2 years ago

this fucking scab

or was he a pig ? I forget

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some_guy 11 points 2 years ago

I thought Lonnie was gonna get rid of the bots.

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laurelraven 10 points 2 years ago

I mean, they'll probably get you more than your dues cost, by a lot... So, there's that...

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Buddahriffic 10 points 2 years ago

What bothers me most about unions is the increased bargaining power labour gets when they work together. As a manager, my employer expects me to use every trick possible to pay those actually making the company run as little as possible and unions make it much harder to get my bonuses.

But I use one neat trick and pay the employees the money that then gets directed to running the union as a deduction from their paycheck and many of them don't even notice that the difference in overall take-home because of that increased bargaining power is higher than the union dues. They focus on the nickels and dimes and don't even notice the dollars!

And the fact that I need to meet certain criteria before I can fire them due to the union contact doesn't even show up on the paycheck--they often don't even think about it until it's too late!

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Kanda 5 points 2 years ago

Omg no /s you must be an evil manager

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prole 6 points 2 years ago

I literally thought the headline said "onions."

Imagine my disappointment.

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nik9000 1 point 2 years ago

Same same

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paysrenttobirds 5 points 2 years ago

While I don't agree with her sentiment, I can absolutely believe some human union employees would say this. I don't know if this applies to Amazon jobs, but in the union I know (caregivers) one problem is workers with very few hours have to pay the same monthly dues. Still not really a valid point for most people, but for those few that get caught in it, definitely bittersweet and they will grumble.

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aaaa 29 points 2 years ago

I remember feeling this way when I was 18. I thought "well the laws already cover me, so why am I paying for this?"

Anyway, I grew up since then.

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Serinus 15 points 2 years ago

I used to consider myself libertarian. Now I understand how basic that is.

Think of it this way, when you're way ahead in a video game (one without anti-snowball mechanics), how hard is it to maintain and grow that lead? First, when it's a team game, you're likely to have opponents just leave, or start fighting each other.

Some people will say the world isn't zero sum, which is true. But when they take the whole sum, it sure feels that way.

Besides just what is right, the economy works better for everyone when people have money to spend. People who have something to lose commit less crime. If all the money does collect in very few hands, the economy grinds to a halt.

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Mammothmothman 2 points 2 years ago

Reminder that the Christian Labour Action Coalition is not a union even if they say they are.

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100_kg_90_de_belin 1 point 2 years ago

Why doesn't she tell them to work as chimney sweepers?

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EvilZ 0 points 2 years ago

Unions can be useful.... I have a friend who after 30 years would clearly be fired and replaced by three new employees with no experience because, to a director it looks like he or she saved money and so can be guaranteed a promotion.....

Where I disagree with Unions is that they have no accountability. If they negociate a scrappy deal or employees get no salary increase, they should give back to the employee as a padding or a rainy day situation considering union members do continue to pay the ever increasing fee of union membership.

I see unions here in Quebec(Canada) becoming fabulously rich while their scrape by...

Just look at companies that have seamstresses, they will offer full suits for the higher strata of society and yet the working conditions are like sweat shops.... And they are unionized which makes you wonder how bad it could get....

It feels, from my perspective that unions are useful so long as people can opt out and vote anonymously which is not always the case....

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dejected_warp_core 5 points 2 years ago

I don't know enough to agree or disagree, but some citations would really help support your argument.

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frostysauce 2 points 2 years ago

I don't believe them.

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EvilZ 0 points 2 years ago

I am relating to personal experiences and so would not wish to divulge to much on the companies 😉

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trolololol 1 point 2 years ago

Unions also fund legal fees for individual employees problems, with the goal of challenging future unfair decisions by employers against isolated individuals.

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