That they specifically went to another sketchy app is what gets me the most.
I could name tons of social network alternatives that are decentralized, give users control but for some reason those are sidelined as everyone suddenly wants an account on app they never heard off a few weeks ago and its main selling feature is that is at least as insecure and censored as tiktok..
They're looking for a "fuck you" to the US government more than they're looking for a new social media. Maybe it will stick as a popular platform, but I suspect it was chosen more for its name and ties to the CCP than any actual features.
I joined specifically for the fuck you.
I’m staying because I have found the most adorable content ever on there. This one guy does a dead on Trump impersonation and is hysterical, and there is an imperial dynasty of cats on there in full costume that i’m fascinated by.
I wasn’t even this fascinated by tiktok but i’m shocked how much better this is than american social media.
It's genuinely superior to tiktok though, the algo rewards like 1% of the ragebait, uncredited reposts, and deceptive posts that tiktok does. If they reverse the ban, I'm not going back.
Name them!
Your catching me off guard but uh sure
loops is a new tiktok like app for the fediverse. And probably most relevant. I say probable because i am still uncomfortable with this type of social media so i dont know what people expect or want from it.
odysee. Similar algorithm based video scrolling but have not tried it.
lemmy, bet you heard of this one before.
mastodon, a similar trend of today. People left twittercorp shithole. Had to make a choice between established actual alternative or brand new and empty twittercorp shithole 2.0
If these event thoughts me something its that people actually have no problem changing platforms and websites. Which i previously thought was the case. Its just seems unpredictable what actual sets a digital migration in motion and to where people will flock.
Some people are saying it's for a particular rational reason. I personally doubt it. It's all the articles saying "people are fleeing TikTok for..." and then they go to that thing. It only took one misleading sponsored article that looked legit to get things moving, then the reporting becomes accurate.
China playing 5-D chess ♟️.
My understanding is that nobody actually cares about the data collection, its more of a rebellious move to punish the government for, in their opinion, overreaching.
For the record, I don't agree with that - its just what I'm seeing.
Supposedly they're doing it on purpose as a protest. Not just one sketchy Chinese app, but any sketchy Chinese app they can find. In the hopes that Meta and Google will miss them, and the federal government will capitulate to stop them using those apps.
Because apparently they haven't read the bill in question and think banning these apps too will somehow be "unsustainable".
It's still an act of protest. Even if it will only last a week.
However, XHS has gone through 3-4 major revisions in the past 4 days, they clearly are anticipating sticking around.
It would be so hilarious to me if they build a VPN directly into the app to sidestep the Great Firewall of America
This is not true at all.
Ban Instagram, Discord and iOS first, anti-libre software.
They never will. This ban was never to help us.
They do not give a fuck about me or you!
This ban was never to protect user privacy. It is to protect the federal government from what users willingly give away to foreign social media companies (and only those companies that are in the control of US adversaries). It was never about you and if you assumed that based on what the government said, you deserve to be disappointed. They give only fucks about what the average user can do to hurt them.
Sigh. That's a whataboutism argument and I'm over it. You do not have to agree.
Party official billionaires are much better than sketchy "self made" billionaires.
Party officials owe their fortune and allegiance to the party, and we've seen some high profile cases of billionaires being brought to their heels very quickly.
Capitalist billionaires are the end result of a selection process that chooses the most self serving, greedy, ruthless bastards.
I'll take #1. Fight me.
I take almost any Chinese party official over an American Billionaire. Rich people had their chance to prove capitalism works, it didn't....
China has shown it jails Billionaires, so their Justice system works better than the one in the US.
Party officials made their fortune first and were then forced to join the party, the party doesn't make their fortune. They don't care about people, unless they get either rich or influential, and then uses their red book to reel them in.
China is the most capitalist country on the planet. The only thing they openly worship is money.
Please spend some time there and we talk afterwards, if you stick to your opinion.
China is the most capitalist country on the planet. The only thing they openly worship is money.
I disagree. What matters is power, and money does grant a lot of it, but in China especially this isn't as direct as it is in the US for example because of party politics.
Party officials made their fortune first and were then forced to join the party, the party doesn’t make their fortune.
That's a very broad assumption, and in some cases is true, some it is not. China has over 1 000 billionaires, over 100 of them are in the parliament, so it's a bit of a chicken and egg thing, they go hand in hand because of the power thing.
Please spend some time there and we talk afterwards, if you stick to your opinion.
Yeah walking the streets of Beijing will give me ample opportunity to meet & greet Chinese billionaires and CCCP top brass.
I saw people in some Chinese source saying XiaoHongShu is updating the algorithm to segregate Chinese users and foreign users (image 1) and hiring English Post Inspectors (image 2) to moderate English contents due to China’s policy
Image 1:
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It’s kind of like why there are Weixin and WeChat, Douyin and TikTok, Taobao and AliExpress, Pinduoduo and Temu
When I saw the headline, this was my first thought.
But damn, it could have been something cool if reality wasn't so fucking predictable and ugly.
I mean, imagine a reality where a bunch of humans end up using the same service like that, between two countries at odds, and they realize that they have a lot more in common than they thought possible. It could be a bridge that changes a world.
Well, that world, because it sure as hell isn't the one we're in
I mean, imagine a reality where a bunch of humans end up using the same service like that, between two countries at odds, and they realize that they have a lot more in common than they thought possible. It could be a bridge that changes a world.
The answer is Fediverse. From last time I checked while I am in Mainland China, lemmy.world is not banned (yet lemmy.ml is banned lol)
I am also able to use my own Mastodon instance in Mainland China.
Fediverse is the key and tool to break the Great Firewall.
Until they turn their gaze to it. I’m sure it’s trivial to block and monitor due to the federated/networked nature.
Let's hope it stays that way :)
We don't get to actually interact much with chinese people in China, here in the states. The more all us regular people can get to know each other, the more chance we have of maybe breaking down the artificial barriers that keep us locked into our own worlds
👋 let's do friendship. Ask me about my mundane American life. I'll go first. Are nutritional supplements popular?
I mean, imagine a reality where a bunch of humans end up using the same service like that, between two countries at odds, and they realize that they have a lot more in common than they thought possible. It could be a bridge that changes a world.
There's a lot of users expressing as much:
Man, that's beautiful :)
As usual, a person who says they want to learn English writes it better than a lot of native speakers. The use of "wanna" shows it isn't Google translated, too.
[Winds of Change by Scorpions playing loudly]
The Chinese government was never going to let that happen. It threatens their control of their people.
China and the US's governments will agree on a lot of things once Trump takes over. Both authoritarian. But they'll still see the other as an adversary.
So Lemmy?
Kinda, yeah, though tiktok working as a short visual exchange with comments isn't exactly the same
No lemmy is echo chamber
I've seen chinese rednote users comparing chinese forums to 4chan and linking another source where the devs said they were working to add translation and other features to help integrate the new userbase.
Is it that surprising that your average person in another country is easy to get on with? I've been to a fair few different countries and the everyday people you interact with are lovely (except France).
It's the fucking politicians you've got to look out for, and not just the foreign ones.
Lmao "except France"
Are they really that unwelcoming? I've heard a bunch about this, fortunately never got to experience it first hand.
I have only ever had great experiences visiting france, but then again I avoided Paris for the most part
I spent one day in Paris, let me give you the highlights...
I'm not in a big rush to go back.
It's funny that I've never had bad experiences with the French and most of my visits to France were to Paris.
Then again I do speak French and try and take advantage of being over there to exercise my language knowledge in it as much as I can.
In my experience people almost everywhere (well, not in English-speaking countries, probably because English is the present day lingua franca so it's kinda expected that you can speak it) generally appreciate you trying to speak their language even if you're pretty bad at it and just trying to learn the local "good day", " goodbye" and "thank you" will get you a lot of goodwill.
I've lived in The Netherlands and they're "complicated" if you're used to, for example, English-style of politeness or even Mediterranean-style exuberance.
They tend to be very direct, objective-oriented and seemingly cold/closed towards strangers (they open up more with friends and family), so for example if you're in a work environment and one person's trying to do things in broken Dutch is hindering the actual accomplishment of the work objectives (for example, in a work meeting), that will probably be pointed out to them, though I've never seen it done so rudelly.
They also tend to be pretty proud of their English-language speaking abilities and when you're just learning Dutch and try to speak to them in it, often switch to English when they spot (from the accent) that somebody comes from an English-speaking country (so for me, who am Portuguese, they didn't tend to do it and I could just silently ignore it when they did because they couldn't be sure I actually knew English, but I had friends and colleagues over there from Britain, US and Australia who constantly got that and for whom it was a lot harder to learn the local language), though I don't think that applies in your example.
It bet that happenned in a professional environment or some kind of professional situation.
That said, that specific telling off would be considered rude even in Dutch terms: if a person's attempts at using Dutch are hindering doing the work, one is supposed to tell them that as the reason to switch to English (say, "other people are waiting behind you in the queue" or "we don't have time to do this meeting in Dutch", though one will probably not get a "I'm sorry but" or "I'm afraid that" or other such decorations to soften the blow which you would get in most other countries. In that quote of yours the other person making it about themselves "I'm not your Dutch teacher" and just bossing the other person "we will"(!), would be considered rude even by Dutch standards IMHO.
Personally (and note that I lived over 8 years in the Netherlands and do speak the language), had somebody told me off like that my reaction would probably be to not give a shit and carry on speaking Dutch since that person made it about themselves and I'm just as entitled to do it the way I see fit as they are to do it their way and I very much suspect (can't be totally sure) this reaction comes from that part of me that are the elements of the Dutch mindset I've taken in from having lived there so long (certainly the whole "I'm just as entitled to my preferences as you to yours" feels very Dutch).
During the period when I was starting to learn Dutch on various occasions the other person switched to English (probably because my Dutch was really bad or I was having trouble following them) and I just kept on speaking Dutch, and I think I was once or twice told off for trying to say something complex with my really broken Dutch whilst buying something and I was holding the queue, but they simply pointed out I was holding the queue.
And guess who's in Paris? People from all over France (and the rest of the world) who came there to work.
Yeah, this honestly sounds like a press release with made up "users". Definitely part of a marketing campaign.
Everyone I followed on tiktok said they're going to Rednote, and my FYP on rednote is extremely active with tiktok refugees. It's also been the number 1 app on both apple and chrome for 3 days. The users are very real.
Nah, I am on xiaohongshu. Its fucking crazy. Most of the mandarin speaking audience woke up to their app filled with english. There is a running joke on the site now about US citizens "colonizing" the app. It is silly and in good fun but I cannot stress enough how real the influx of users is. Some brits are even moving there because so many Americans they follow did. I have seen multiple chinese citizens have their account jump from a few hundred followers to 30k in an hour or two. I mean you can hop on and see for yourself, it is free. It has actually been really wholesome so far and I hope the vibes continue to be good.
With all due respect, this comment is exactly what a faked "Grass roots marketing campaign" would write. But your account has an extensive post history, so thats a lot more effort than a typical astro turf account.
Also, inflating subscriber numbers and view counts wouldn't be out of the question either, remember Facebook video...
I just talk like that. Is it so hard to believe that there are plenty of Americans who would flock to a genuinely chinese owned social media out of spite or just bc it is funny? I haven't even seen an ad on the site so I don't think they are making enough money to astroturf nor can I find a reason why they'd want to.
My roommate mentioned it a few days ago, and I found out this evening that her and her girlfriend are both using it. While it may have started off as an astroturf, it's legit now.
Signed up myself. Still rebuilding my FYP. Most US users I've seen are TikTok refugees. It picks up quickly though. I see less and less Chinese users and more and more US. Pearlmania is on there, Tizzyent (still kinda unsure if that's a good thing). It's happening.
Just check it out, the volume of engagement is massive enough the FYP page can get very specific and very recent.
There's even a few Australians like "Yeah, they're not gonna ban the app, but here's a kangaroo"
I am 100% seeing the same thing over there. It’s not astroturfed. A popular tiktoker got the idea and we’re all hopping over to say fuck you to the government.
And have all been shocked to find a very sweet, wholesome experience.
From the article somebody further up posted up, rednote has had about half a million downloads from app stores in the US.
TikTok's US consumer base is about 136 million if my memory of what was said on NPR a couple mornings ago is accurate.
While I am sure that number will be growing, a lot of the feeling of everybody moving to redhorse appears to be astroturfing.
Like... they had a 50,000 person live event that sounds awfully a lot like like a recruitment seminar/product orientation.
This isn't organic.
As someone who is experiencing it as it happens, it feels like the most organic thing I've experienced on a social media site. I'm sure that a huge part of why I feel the way I do about it is because I'm being served the content I interact with and I mostly interact with english content. However, I see PLENTY of faces I recognize. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility to say that many americans responded to the tiktok ban with spite and chose an actual chinese social media bc fuck em.
To be clear though, it isn't organic. The American government gave it an impetus.
I love pancakes
They're the best
It's trivial to check which app is #1 in the app stores for social media
You fucking muppet
How's that?
It seems similar to tiktok; nudity is not OK, but sex-adjacent stuff like bondage is just fine. Art is fine as long as the genitals and nips are censored.
If anything, the chinese government should be thrilled by the idea of Americans seeing that chinese people are just like them and learning first-hand that 90% of what they thought they knew about China was just racism and western propaganda.
I mean yeah TikTok heavily buried criticism against the Communist Party as well, but it wasn’t flat out banned to talk about how a state deals with religion. It is on Red Book (actual translation of the chinese name of the app and yes it is named after Mao’s “Mein Kampf” type of book)
They are probably not all that thrilled. They’re completely censoring their internet and run own, chinese speaking apps abroad to stay in control of the narrative and their citizens. Having a bunch of friendly Americans hop on the app to show them how we’re all just humans on this silly planet is kind of a nightmare for the bureau of propaganda in Beijing.
Comparing Quotations by Mao to fucking Mein Kampf, you are an unserious person.
And also the exact kind of person who would benefit from going on rednote and talking to these people instead of believing whatever bullshit you're told about them.
This is a fine example of how the american government doesn't care about the interests of americans.
The government only exists to serve the wealthiest among us. Some of those wealthy people are upset that Chinese aristocrats are getting all that money.
This trade war only exists because rich americans want more money for themselves. It has nothing to do with national security and you're a useful idiot if you think otherwise.
You don’t lift 800+ million people out of poverty by concentrating all of the profits among a small few. And China has increasingly been prosecuting their wealthy.
Which is what they really don’t want us learning to do.
Capitalists use the same exact argument for why outsourcing labor to the poorest countries is actually a good thing. For real, I’ve argued so many right wingers saying “searching for the cheapest labor actually helps the worlds economy because you’re lifting those poor people of _____ out of poverty! It doesn’t matter that it’s only pennies/day, because to them, that’s a lot of money!”
Pretty goddamn gross behavior.
Exchange isn't extraction. If you're buying raw materials from Africa, yes. If you're buying finished goods from China, no.
This is precisely why the US had a sudden about face about China. They were hoping their entryism with capitalist exchange would result in the fall of the communist party, who number one priority is preventing the plundering of resources through unequal exchange.
I wasn’t making a 1:1 comparison. I was saying that “but look how many people have been lifted out of poverty!” argument is a capitalist argument, because it completely ignores the reality of the situation. Have people been lifted out of poverty by outsourcing? Of course. But that doesn’t negate the core problem.
As the other person mentioned, outsourcing manufacturing TO china is largely responsible for the manufacturing boon there. And then rich Chinese capitalists (though they use the cover of not being called capitalists) became rich middlemen between “western” businesses and the cheap Chinese labor. So outsourcing has absolutely contributed to it. You and the American capitalists are looking at the same thing, one is crediting American executive innovation, the other is crediting the CCP.
You do it by exploiting the billions outside your borders from countries even more poor like mine where they sell their garbage low quality products that cant be repaired or recycled, from shitty earphones to bikes that start breaking down in a year, taking advantage of poor people who cant afford to buy anything of better quality. China isnt better than us when it comes to exploitation and inequality.
Hold up. You think the Chinese are the ones deciding to manufacture low quality products, and not the capitalists who are ordering them that way?
They are spreading their wealth to those in need. Not exploiting. They value mutually beneficial relationships.
Bro, there's ALOT of Chinese capitalists.
Humans are humans.
Chinese manufacturers build according to budget. They are perfectly capable of making high quality products, and do. The problem is a lot of companies (looking at you, Walmart) demand their Chinese manufacturers build products for a pittance -- the manufacturers won't say no, but they'll find a profit for themselves by using lower cost materials. (ETA: also less quality control and cheaper labor)
Ask yourself -- if you were a woodworker and someone offered you $250 to build a small stand out of wenge, you'll probably do a good job of it. If someone offered you $30 to build the same stand, and you really needed that $30, you'd make it with pine and just paint or stain it to look like wenge. Chinese manufacturers are no different.
I think the Chinese businessmen are exploiting slave laborers to produce cheap goods and export them to most of the world. Would you call that a mutually beneficial relationship?
Hold up. You think the Chinese are the ones deciding to manufacture low quality products, and not the capitalists who are ordering them that way?
Chinese brands owned by Chinese capitalists operating with consent from the chinese state.
spreading their wealth to those in need
Using planned obsolescence and taking advantage of poor consumer and environmental protection laws to sell garbage to people trapped in a cycle of poverty isn't exploitation? Also China 'invested' billions here too and we didnt get any hospitals. We got china flooding our markets with its shitty goods and chinese 'businessmen' running scam centers.
They value mutually beneficial relationships
they do have a mutually beneficial relationship with our dictators.
you don’t lift 800+ million people out of poverty by concentrating all of the profits among a small few.
This is false attribution.
There's no way to verify how other political system would have worked for China. Maybe it would have worked even better? Taiwan for one is richer, stronger and happier than China per capita so does that mean dictatoriship -> democracy is a better system? Do you see the flaw in this attribution logic now? So, unless you have a time machine...
Taiwan for one is richer, stronger and happier than China per capita so does that mean dictatoriship -> democracy is a better system
Everything in that sentence is factually untrue, I need to get some of the stuff you're smoking because it must be crazy strong.
There’s no way to verify how other political system would have worked for China
It's very easy to know. India and China have similar landmass, population, and got their independence at around the same time.
The difference between the two is that China's people democracy is an objectively superior system to bourgeois dictatorships they have in India and Taiwan.
It's ridiculous to compare mainland China with Taiwan, as that island is incredibly small and therefore much, much faster to develop, and it received a lot in investments from the USA as they need a strong ally at the PRC's borders to support their hegemony. Look at south Korea for another example.
Do you want me to keep going?
The difference between the two is that China's people democracy is an objectively superior system to bourgeois dictatorships they have in India and Taiwan.
And how do you determine that? By feeling the vibes? There are way to many variables to attribute all success to a single one. It's just not scientifically testable. I'd like to point you to this brilliant economic nobel prize award of this year that did use science to prove the effectiveness of political systems in a way. This is sort of scientific proof we need to really understand the value of these political systems but until we have evidence like that or a time machine we might as well be yelling at clouds here.
Actually it’s very easy to know. By design, capitalism concentrates most of the reward among a small number of privileged few.
And people with good sense judge a country by how well it’s working people are doing- not by how much more wealth a few people have been able to hoard.
Yeah you do it with slave labor, genocide, mass aborting baby girls, and IP theft.
Did you lift this straight out of a State Dept press release?
Why would I need to, these things have been known for decades?
Don't get me wrong, capitalists (ex apple) love to collude, but it doesn't make china some magical perfect land.
It has everything to do with national security, they just don't consider common people as part of their nation same as slaves weren't.
This might have an interesting side effect. Western voices and opinions being shared enmasse with Chinese youths on platforms they're comfortable with. It will be interesting to see how the Chinese government responds to this
I'm on the app and, honestly, I have been seeing the exact opposite. Loads of American users are seeing, for the first time, that folks in the PRC don't have it so bad.
Consistent problem with fascists who want you to hate outsiders. When those barriers fall, it turns out that most of the "enemy" are just people who want to live their lives.
This goes both directions.
But the Chinese people were never the enemy. The only ones who push that narrative are people who want to sow division and hatred.
It's the CCP and US government that are at odds with one another. The issue with TikTok is the CCP has control and influence over content served to Western uses.
This. There is a reason why China has been censoring the internet so much, and why Russia and to a lesser degree Türkiye started doing it as well. And why two of the three most powerful people in the US apart from Trump control like 2/3 of all social media.
It will be interesting to see how the Chinese US government responds to this
That's easy. Some more propaganda about hating the everyday Chinese person (who we have far more in common with) and banning the app.
Everything that comes from this should be interesting.
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They will probably ban the app or make in unavailable in other countries. Typical censorship stuff
why should I give a shit about that at this point?
I guess we should just all lie down and die.
Honestly, this is one of the saddest and scariest comments I've read in a while.
"I've already had one McDonald's burger that's bad for me, I may as well only ever eat McDonald's burgers! Why should I care at this point?"
I agree, it is sad, but your McDonalds comparison is not at all the same situation. I do when possible try to use privacy respecting software. There's a reason I'm on Lemmy. However, I'm using Lemmy from an Android phone. In many situations in everyday life, there is no simple way of avoiding having your data collected. My ISP and credit card companies collect and sell my usage information. I fortunately still have an older car, but when it inevitably dies, I'm gonna have to upgrade to one with an internet connection that also collects information. When my data is already being collected and sold by so many companies, I'm not going to stress myself out by worrying about adding one more, especially when the information they'd gain (my phone number and social media interests) is already plenty available from Google.
In your comparison, you act as if I've chosen to have this and have now given up. In reality, we're in a world where it's often the only option.
The correct answer is proper legislation to prevent and reduce this, because the sad truth is that the large majority of consumers never gave a shit.
You're forgetting all the companies that hold on to your data forever. Yeah I bought a $4 shenanigan 5 years ago, do you really need to keep my full name, phone, email, CC details, tax number and address, stored plainly in some poorly protected, internet accessible DB?
When they own the platform they can use it to serve you catered disinformation.
They can have your data but unless they can also decide what you see as a result, it's not the same thing.
That's the difference.
So like Facebook and YouTube serve and spread far-right disinformation catered to manipulate you?
Facebook and YouTube's algorithms decide what you see and Facebook will even decide what's "true" for you.
I asked what they can do that's worse, not the same.
Give your dic pics to zucc bro. Send your whole bussy. /s
Veiny.
On some level, it makes sense. Like, if I never plan to enter the PRC's jurisdiction, it has less capacity to use my personal data to cause me harm than a five eyes member state does, because the Australian government does have jurisdiction where I live.
Good for them. People should be free to live their lives.
I don't like it either, but these fuckers clearly do, so at least they're doing it in a way that isn't basically a bunch of governments spoon feeding what they want Americans to think to them
You can't really infinite scroll on Lemmy for hours watching content specific to your tastes.
You might get five minutes per day of mildly interesting content on Lemmy
Lemmy kind of sucks, that's why I like it. Reddit to me was like beer and Lemmy is like non alcoholic beer. If stop drinking a non alcoholic beer is fine, but I don't really need one every day.
You confused us by saying a race, like you're spreading excuses for anti-libre software.
'Replacing one spyware for another' is clear.
Well, the American one doesn't have an incentive to turn its own people against its own government with propaganda. As is happening with Tiktok and pushing pro-CCP and anti-American content.
And even if the only concern was spying, it's like saying "well a creep on the street snapped a nude photo of me through my windows, so I may as well take my own nudes and pass it around the neighbourhood."
No american with an IQ above a glass of undrinkable tap water likes their government or thinks their country is worth anything.
Complete false dichotomy. This isn't a "my government can beat up your government" squabble.
The reality is that ByteDance has offices for CCP officials in their buildings. The Chinese government has a direct line of influence on the people who work at that company. A government that has openly hostile relations with the West (not even just the USA).
This isn't a discussion about whose government is better. It would be equally inappropriate for a US entity with direct control from the US gov to directly influence Chinese people via an algorithm to push propaganda. The Chinese firewall prevents such a thing from existing or having any significant impact, whereas the opposite isn't true.
There have been multiple studies that have demonstrated that pro-CCP content outweighs anti-CCP content by at least 3 to 1. Even on profiles that prefer anti-CCP content the pro content still gets suggested at a 3 to 1 ratio.
Yea, I made a post to my people to come to the fediverse. While we have capitalist and communist forums, ultimately the fediverse sits in the anarchist camp.
I like it because I'm suspicious of tankies and hate musk fucks. A nice 3rd option.
Anarchy, because have you met people? Those fuckers can't be trusted with power
Can't trust people. People listen to Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. Can't trust em.
Fuckers, the lot of em
Can't stand the no freedom of speech, but I understand they can't have it because that would become a CIA backdoor to overthrow their leadership and also winnie the ping has let state capitalist run rampant. Ringing the lifeforce out of the populace in a way that would make Jeff Bezos proud, and erect. But you can't deny that, for an expansionnist fashistic budding empire, they do have their shit together and trains running on time and so on.
I'm starting to think the usa military won't be able to kill them all in a day and then starve everyone by sinking all their food and oil ships.
Remember when it was called musical.ly and everyone thought it was the cringiest thing ever and wished it would die…. Lol
No I remember when it was vine and we all thought it was cringy and dumb
Can't top albinoblacksheep if you tried
That backfired real good, didn't it?
They were just reposted tiktoks, make it make sense.
If you carefully cultivate your subscriptions and watching habits it's not bad. I get mostly stuff I'm subscribed to, a movie cut into thirty second chunks (right now it's Braveheart), tv clips with one of three pieces of music overlaid, a mix of benign recommendations that are mostly meh but sometimes funny, and thirst traps. So... it's not good but I do sometimea see something worth following.
It used to be worse, I think abandoning guntubers was the right call. I used to have Andrew Tate and Jordan Peterson pushed at me.
Instagram has a shit algorithm, yt shorts are generally just worse forms of yt or reposts from ticktok/insta. People are willing to tolerate a lot of data selling already, so why should they care that it's being shared with the CCP?
The hexies are so excited about this too. They've got a thread up (erroneously) hoping that Americans will now stop believing that Chinese people are bad, because they can't face the truth that Americans (who aren't magats) only think the Chinese government is an authoritarian shit show and have no problem with regular Chinese citizens.
Solidarity amongst the working class, no matter what imaginary made up boundaries divide us.
Exactly. When workers start talking to each other across borders (national and otherwise) and as equals that's like one of the crucial steps for positive change. No worker in China ever denied me medicine or raised my rent.
Thank you for vigorously following Hexbear to spread misinformation about it on .world. Defederating really helped clean up the narrative.
More than half a million ‘TikTok refugees’ flock to China’s RedNote as ban looms
"Nobody I want to follow is using it."
By and large, the average user is a content consumer, not a creator. The consumers want to go where the creators are, but the creators won't go where there aren't already consumers. This will always be the biggest problem for any Fediverse platform.
So is red note, who is on red note?!
Kim Kardashian
Gross. I’m so disappointed in the general population
It might take a little while for the email to show up. When I signed up, it was a couple of hours, but it was under a good bit of stress at the time.
Things are going smoothly this morning. Uploads are quick to process, and the timeline seems to be moving along with new content. So YMMV
Yes, there is an Android app, but it does need to be side loaded. There is an APK download once you get signed into the web interface.
Similarly, there is a TestFlight for the iOS app.
I would like Loops to get an influx of users, but this would be too many in one go while loops is not in a sustainable position to support them. The unfortunate truth is that Loops can't handle that level of usership yet
It’s really unfortunate timing that loops doesn’t have both an android and iPhone app already out on the app stores. I use the iPhone app thru the beta on test flight. They should just release it to catch this wave?
I feel like in it's current form it's more likely to lose lifetime fans than catch them. I would be genuinely surprised if nothing happened to make the experience on rednote worse, and from what I've heard it would be also a valid target of the existing law, so just as easy to shut down.
Also doesn't loops currently just have a fire hose feed of all videos uploaded in chronological order? Seems like it's lacking core features that would make it stick for folks.
You can't even search by tags. People want to search about a top then follow creators that have more videos they like and not like in loops where you need to visit creators you never heard about and then explore their content
Are they allowed to talk about tiananmen massacre I wonder.
I thought the difference in humor would take a while to bridge but it's very familiar. Day in the life of an american type videos with road rage, burgers, shitcoins, podcasts and pancakes
Just proving US government right tbh.
So, US said: "TikTok is too powerful and has too much influence" and then people continue to be influenced. I kid you not, most trending rednote tiktoks right now are about price comparison between China and US with topics like: "veggies are like 2$ in China when they are 6$ in the US" with absolutely zero awareness of how economies work:
Chinese vegetables are more expensive.
You could attribute this to people just being financially stupid but I think there's definitely some truth from US government pov that China has a lot of propaganda power over US citizens and I say this as non-american myself as it's quite apparent as a 3rd party observer.
Personally I still think low level laws that protect privacy of all americans is the way to go but America will never sacrifice free market money like that.
The only video like that ive seen was showing how cheap a day of vacation in china would be.
The app is obvi not a bastion of unbiased free speech. This is reactionary and even if tiktok were banned on the 19th, people would be put off by using an app where you cant understand 80% of the comments and some of the more subtle content. Its a protest.
Dumbest shit ever. let me run to the PRC for my entertainment. Like was TikTok really that good? I never used it, other than the time long ago when it was first getting traction and my coworker asked me to get into her 12 yr old daughter's account (super easy BTW) and see what she was doing on there. surprise! nothing but 30 year old men following her and watching her doing dances. I never touched it since.
Tiktok shows you more of what you engage in and throws some randomness in there so you don't get stuck in a local minimum. It's like when YouTube's algorithm kinda worked and you could see how it'd possibly be better; bytedance actually pulled it off instead of enshittifying.
And it takes time for the algorithm to learn your tastes. If you're a mouth breather at heart you're gonna get mouth breather content no matter how much you try and change it. If you're a perv and linger on thirst traps... You're going to see more thirst traps.
With your described scenario, that's not unique to tiktok- that can happen on any platform when the child is unsupervised. It could have been twitch, Roblox, Instagram, Snapchat, it myriad other platforms; the real problem there is inattentive parenting.
I've learned about more shitty local government practices from tiktok than any other platform. I've been exposed to points of view I'd never otherwise see. Random videos have triggered just as much progress on my mental health as years of therapy. I've found people far more articulate than me explaining shit that combats my family's far right talking points in a way where they actually listen and change their mind, and vice versa.
I've also consumed an inordinate amount of white hot memes and mountains of brain rot lol
But yeah. The TT algorithm is a mirror (given time). It reflects your persona back at you with the type of content you see.
I failed to see the randomness then because it's way too similar content way too quickly
It does get stuck in a rut sometimes. If you kill the app and come back to it lsome time ater, that signals that they need to shake things up so your "randomness factor" (my term) gets boosted the next time you start scrolling.
So having a coworker break into your child's account is inattentive parenting?
Tell me you don't have kids.
No really, please confirm.
I don't want to see "kids in cages" on the news again.
I have kids. I don't see how that's relevant here.
Children shouldn't have social media accounts in my opinion. Nothing to attack or break into if it doesn't exist.
A coworker shouldn't know enough or otherwise have enough access to your child such that they can break into their accounts.
Failing all that, parents need to have frank discussions about the potential dangers of internet fans turning into real life people, and some of the more severe potential consequences.
Even without those three layers of failure, your kids need to know about basic online account security, like using unique strong passwords and two factor authentication.
That all being said- I don't know the people or the situation. But from your short account of things that's what I see as wrong with the situation.
In general, the social networks of today are optimized for extracting value and attention from adult brains; an incomplete adolescent brain stands no chance.
Kids can still socialize electronically just fine in group chats with the advent of RCS implementation on both major phone platforms.
Not sure what kids in cages have to do with anything or why they were mentioned.
Kids in cages is mentioned because penetrating your kids' social media account is a break of trust and privacy, which is a very bad form of parenting, a good parent would have trust relationship and could ask the child to show the weird behavior on their phone
what do you expect though the USA is picking groups of people to threaten, the American dream is dead they brag that the economy is doing so good when most peoples lives have gotten worse every second of our lives is being monetized of course the people will look elsewhere
Don’t worry. Once Trump’s back in, the Democrats will suddenly notice we’re in a recession. We’ll start seeing it acknowledged soon.
Dems showed last election they're not even willing to promise concessions to their voting base, so if you can't actually do anything to help people afford groceries, how can they use the economy to campaign? Just go "Trump is terrible for the economy! We're gonna be good for the economy"?
Yep. They really seemed to believe they could gaslight us into thinking the economy is thriving. But you can’t trick people into forgetting that they’re hungry, and food is unaffordable.
What the fuck are you talking about?
Food unaffordable, homeless rate at record highs, a struggling job market, etc. But the Biden team insisted we’ve been doing better than ever.
nothing but 30 year old men following her and watching her doing dances.
This App is truly a swamp of shit.
the real reason why the government tries to ban apps is because it gives an unfiltered look at people the government has tried to demonize for years
LOL, the irony is that red note is censoring posts from those "tiktok refugee".
It is such a western privilege to think that they can avoid unnecessary censorship and big tech monopoly by moving to Chinese platforms. When Chinese knows full well that they don't have such choice.
To further the irony, the west actually have abundant options to avoid censorship and big tech. Yet people think they are "less usable" than google translating (big tech monopoly btw) your way into a censoring Chinese big tech monopoly...
LOL, the irony is that red note is censoring posts from those “tiktok refugee”.
If they're applying any special moderation to tiktok refugee tagged posts, I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing a lot of people say not to discuss politics, but I'm also seeing a lot of posts asking Chinese users specifically about stuff like social credit systems and other weird perceptions or asking about what crazy perceptions Chinese users have about Americans (like that we can work at a restaurant for 3 months and afford to buy a house??).
What's the difference between censorship and moderation in this context?
As if they don't ban apps too.
It's really cool. The people are super nice and welcoming. The cities are incredible. Their cost of living is leaps and bounds better than ours. Life is affordable there.
They just got it better. The cold war propaganda we've been spoonfed from birth was all lies.
We are the bad place.
Their cost of living is leaps and bounds better than ours.
Crazy how effective this propaganda is. Median Chinese salary is 5 USD/hour. Now 5x every chinese price you see to get really cost and revisit your comment.
China is a gigantic country, larger than the USA, that was still aggrarian just 50 years ago. They are still developing and there is a large disparity in earning between the developed coastal areas in the east, and the undeveloped west. The prices you see on the app a from the coastal areas where salaries are similar to western Europe.
No it's not and it's incredibly easy to verify so I don't understand why would you just lie. US salaries are incredibly high so very few countries can actually compare and coast China definitely doesn't.
I can speak from experience in tech sector how incredibly tiny Shenzen salaries are even today compared to everything else as I get recruitment offers almost every week. 60k/year is basically peak salary you can get as a senior software dev compared to 100-300k in US.
Here one source says avg annual income in Shenzen is 24,000 USD vs for example Denver of 94,157 USD — 4 times higher and that's Denver not San Francisco which would be the mirror of Shenzen.
I'm not an american or chinese but I know how to read data and it's pretty fucking clear here.
Friends of mine lived a year or so in China. It was very harsh and the people were not very welcoming. That's not strange as people tend to be like that towards strangers immigrating. But it's no utopia you can fit into easily.
yap dollar
So you're surprised people didn't switch to the app you think will be banned?
Are you using the word "surprised" right?
Surprised by how much is in English, but also surprised that China isn't the hellscape that we've been fed through the media. It's middle class people in both countries talking about real things in a completely new way.
One thing that surprised her, everything in China isn't just cheap crap. It's american companies that cut corners by ordering crap and shilling it to us and then blaming China for it being cheap. China makes quality products, but the US will never see them, and so we live with the perception that everything from China is crap, but only what we don't tariff to death makes it through. It's cool to see her perceptions of the world change.
I'm not some tankie, and I don't give a shit about tik tok, but there's a massive cultural exchange happening that's too huge to filter off the rip, and I feel like folks are realizing there's a lot more that unites us than divides us. Our billionaires don't like their billionaires and so we beef? Nah, not my fight
Americans figuring out that Chinese people are also just people like them is the most hilarious and american thing I read in a while.
China isn't the hellscape that we've been fed through the media
China has been really showing off hard in the past few years, especially on tiktok. Chinese cars are winning and every single person on Tiktok knows about Chongqing. So I don't think this is as apt as it used to be.
I'd love more cultural exchange with China but it's really up to Chinese themselves. Literally all west media and apps are blocked in China. So should we converge on a clear propaganda app which is litterally named after the little red book of communist revolution as our "honest cultural exchange" source? Does anyone seriously think that's a good idea?
We have Lemmy, Mastodon, the whole Fediverse, bluesky, Telegram, Nostr — the free options exist already, it's up to Chinese to get some balls to meet us midway.
So one Chinese spying platform is worse than other Chinese spying platforms.
I mean, it's interesting in the sense of something big being really honestly banned in USA.
That seems to have been a part of Russian, Iranian, Turkish etc Internet experience.
But I still want back the days where we'd talk about programs and services, not platforms.
There's a program you can use to communicate to other people, it, of course, communicates to a service, but the protocol is small and already reverse-engineered, and you can use a hex editor to change the hostname or addresses it communicates with, even if hardcoded. Nostalgic ICQ sounds.
Or - there's a service you can use to find pages and files. There are hundreds of such, you can host one yourself. You'll have to dig through a lot of things you don't need and build your queries carefully, but there's no platform playing with your life. Just the Internet, and one of thousands of machines scraping it. Yep, it's big and most things there you don't need.
Or - there's a program you can use to have nice online communities. I didn't even know that Hotline and KDX existed when I was a kid. But if I knew, I would be even happier than it was in fact. No platform. Someone hosts a Hotline server.
There was also such a program that allowed you to navigate hypertext pages leading to other pages leading to other. And there were services which would serve such pages over the Internet to you and many others, and accept changes. People who think today's Web is in anything nicer than that Web - they simply don't remember how it was then. It can't be really felt by looking at archives of old personal pages and such, of course those look weak, they are a specter of the past. You need to go over web rings and read recent updates, by real people for real people, visit guest books and web chats and forums, see that world alive. Unfortunately I also remember how I wanted to be able to make that even more alive - via technical means. Like trying to live in a video game. That was a mistake many people made, apparently, and ruined the real miracle by pursuing that dream.
Doubt. Just sounds like they capitalized on spreading this hoping to make it real
Edit it’s working jeez the general population is so stupid
Yes… it’s the population that’s stupid. It couldn’t possibly be an area of ignorance for you. At a certain point, you might consider some introspection. Or at least consider not taking new knowledge and having to revise your world model as a personal insult. Not everyone thinks the same way you do. You’d do well to make peace with that.
That's like trying to argue that fighting the Nazis in ww2 was an outrageous act of killing.
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Be the community you want to lemmy.
Jesus I'm fucking regarded
U could say the same thing every time someone called trump a facist. Also Godwin's Law
Yeah cos if ur argument can be used to justify the Nazis it is clearly a bad argument.
It’s not that outrageous to ban a propaganda machine. The rest of the world should follow suit and restrict access to not only TikTok but Xitter, ChatGPT and everything Facebook too by how things are handled in these companies right now. They’re all answering to anti-democratic governments and threaten our freedom.
Ban Facebook first, anti-libre software. They never will. They're not doing this to help us.
Actually US is late to the party: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...
i know china's not as bad as north korea when it comes to this sorta thing, but are they really just gonna let that happen
Most annericans aren’t ready for that conversation. That’s why Trump won in the first place.
Dude, this is what the US wants you to believe. Actually the USA is a third world hell hole. I'm from Europe and I'd rather live in China than in the USA.
You should go on the app and talk with actual chinese people.
Remember these people are ill. Social media addiction will be studied for years to come. Bashing these kind of people will only push them to these apps and worsen the problem. The more honest we are, the faster this will turn around. Call these people sick to their face and watch them writhe and squirm as they try and justify it. It looks ugly but it will do them a load of help compared to nothing.
You're on social media right now.
It's not the same category of social media though.
You've got (sorted by best to worst)
Each of these can be called social media, but they serve different purposes and some are more harmful than others
False dichotomy, they aren't the same. There is no 'social media' just how we communicate right now. Right now at best it's innocent stealing of our data for enormous profit, at worst - it's influencing us to destroy ourselves or each other.
People do things on their free time. Stop calling everything people do "an addiction".
5 hours tiktok scrolling is an addiction
I mean did they have something better to do?
It's just another addiction in our world that encourages over-consumption. If this were just people looking at silly videos nobody would have a problem. It's just another brick in the wall. We should fight for every one that gets put in.
If making Mr Weebl laugh at my TikTok comments is wrong I don't wanna be right.
It should be that simple. What people don't realize is it isn't. That's okay, I'm not mad. I just want to help.
thanks for using Leebra!
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Youtube and Instagram tried for years to lure in Tiktok users, and they failed so badly that even with Tiktok potentially getting banned, people would rather switch to a different potentially sketchy Chinese app.
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