Ostracize Nazis Rule

2 years ago by SoftestSapphic to c/196

Shout them down in every space, make them embarrased to think the stupid shit they think.

If we don't embarrass and correct them now we will have to kill them later when they come for our friends and families.

ohellidk 116 points 2 years ago

Nazi punks FUCK OFF!

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hOrni 44 points 2 years ago

They already tried to take punk and punk said "no".

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Machinist 25 points 2 years ago

You got one downvote. That asshole is either in the wrong discussion and doesn't know their music or is a Nazi cock gobbler and needs to wipe the orange off their lips.

Nazi punks FUCK OFF!

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FlashMobOfOne 57 points 2 years ago

We just watched one do a nazi salute twice, on national TV, in the seat of government and not a single member of the "opposition" had the balls to walk up there and punch him in the face.

The Nazis have won. People care more about civility than fascism.

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hoppy_pingu 31 points 2 years ago

The fascists will lose. They always lose. They might seem to have the upper hand right now, but they can only fool the people for so long until they fight back.

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WereHacker 19 points 2 years ago

I agere. Sadly they hurt a lot people untill they get stopped or destroy themselves.

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Scott_of_the_Arctic 10 points 2 years ago

Nazis are a bit like cockroaches. If you stomp a couple, the rest will run away and hide.

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billbasher 3 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately it takes too long for them to lose.

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Szyler 1 point 2 years ago

For as long as men die, liberty will never perish

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lmmarsano 4 points 2 years ago

People care more about civility than fascism.

It's pathetic how true that feels.

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gravitas_deficiency 4 points 2 years ago

Be ungovernable

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Lucidlethargy 3 points 2 years ago

Boy, you give up easily. They've "won" already?

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FlashMobOfOne 1 point 2 years ago

Culturally at least, they have. Not a single Democrat did anything except whine about the very public displays of Nazism.

Luckily for us the courts and other countries are actually providing some checks and balances, but if we get a Reichstag-style event in the next two years, the Democrats will absolutely fall in line with whatever form the dictatorship decides to take.

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plaineatin -16 points 2 years ago
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plaineatin -12 points 2 years ago
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plaineatin -16 points 2 years ago
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Rooty 12 points 2 years ago

What the hell are you talking about Jesse?

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plaineatin -11 points 2 years ago
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Banana_man 48 points 2 years ago

Tbh Black metal (awesome as it is) has a lot of ties to Nazi movements. Back when I was first getting into it I bought myself a Burzum shirt, because I only had a vague idea of Varg being somewhat of a controversial figure. I thought, how bad could this guy really be? Well... He is B A D. Despite a lot of this kind of music still being a guilty pleasure of mine I have ventured into anti Nazi bands such as Neckbeard Death camp, who are really vocal about kicking Nazis from the scene. That being said, traverse black metal paying heed to your step, for ignorance can end you up with neo Nazi band merch.

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tuoret 16 points 2 years ago path: 0 15611927 15627330, hotness: undefined, score: 16, children: 0
Titanious 9 points 2 years ago

Man, fuck Varg. What an absolute waste of a human and an absolute stain.

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PixelatedSaturn 0 points 2 years ago

Probably every single thing that you like is also liked by a few Nazis around the world.

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RavingGrob 11 points 2 years ago

There's a significant difference between "Nazi's like something I like as well" and "Nazi's are involved in making this thing that I like".

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PixelatedSaturn -1 points 2 years ago

How many must be involved in making it? Lets say for a music genre? Probably we should be taking about percentage wise?

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derfunkatron 13 points 2 years ago

Pause a moment and consider what are trying to accomplish with this argument.

Black Metal is not a Nazi genre and I don’t think anyone was actually making that claim. However, white supremacism and Nazi sympathies are common enough in the genre that it has its own scene to the point where it could even be considered a subgenre. It’s even known as National Socialist Black Metal.

The line is definitely blurry when it comes to some bands being labeled as NSBM when the band itself appears to be or even asserts they are apolitical. This makes it difficult to confidently make statements like “this is a Nazi band” or “10% of Black Metal bands are Nazis.”

But that isn’t the point of this thread; the point was “Nazis are overrepresented in Black Metal, so listener beware because you might find yourself sporting a t-shirt that advocates whites supremacy and cruising around town blasting neo-Nazi anthems.”

This isn’t about how many Nazis it takes to make a Nazi music genre or if people from opposite ends of the political spectrum are allowed to enjoy the same music. It’s about being aware that musical tastes can be hijacked to get people to listen to, or even defend, ideas they wouldn’t normally.

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RavingGrob 7 points 2 years ago

I'm not suggesting that as a whole "one Nazi makes something in the genre, and now the genre is ruined".

However, if you're not a Nazi, it would be prudent to establish whether or not the creator, (regardless of genre or medium) is also not a Nazi. Especially if that medium/genre has a reputation for attracting that type of crowd.

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Wilco 46 points 2 years ago

Damn I love Lemmy, this would get OP banned on Reddit ... just the truth.

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iheartneopets 11 points 2 years ago

Glad to have you here :)

It feels like old reddit

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MutilationWave 2 points 2 years ago

If you happen to want to express similar sentiments with comrades, use signal.

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Holyhandgrenade 44 points 2 years ago

I have a Celtic knot tattoo on my forearm (actually it's the album cover of King Crimson's album Discipline).
My British friend told me I shouldn't display that in public in the UK because people might think I'm a neonazi.
I'm like fuck no, Celtic symbols don't belong to Nazis and I won't let them have it! Also, it's a prog album cover wtf

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nyctre 9 points 2 years ago

Yeah, prog rock's not very popular so most people won't recognize it as what it is, unfortunately.. However, I wear band tshirts like 80% of the time and by far the best reactions were to my Rush Tshirt. Followed by Riverside and KGLW.

Anyway, fuck nazis !

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Szewek 8 points 2 years ago

Respect for having Discipline cover tattooed on your forearm

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Holyhandgrenade 1 point 2 years ago

Thanks, it's my only tattoo so far lol

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GraniteM 37 points 2 years ago

Or Hawaiian shirts. Man, I love my Hawaiian shirts and I was not happy when they were briefly associated with some nonsense fucking Civil War 2.0 bullshit. I'm very glad that particular stylistic movement fell apart.

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devedeset 13 points 2 years ago

Boogaloo Boys were strange, they seemed to be a bunch of loosely affiliated extremists from every corner of the political spectrum (although concentrated in certain corners).

It seems like they were accelerationists.

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MutilationWave 1 point 2 years ago

They were a bunch of fucking nerds cosplaying fascist revolution. Dustbin of History.

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Doctor_Satan 33 points 2 years ago

Nazis are cultural parasites.

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RememberTheApollo_ 32 points 2 years ago

They’ve already taken some Metal. Went to a Metallica concert and there were trump flags in the parking lot, militia-style shirts, firearms shirts, blue line flag shirts, Punisher skull shirts…. I was surrounded by White Power and authoritarians. The Metal Heads I grew up with all decided they wanted to carry the batons and riot shields they hated in their youth. Didn’t help that FFDP was there with their military fetish and making commentary about the Biden administration.

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explodicle 17 points 2 years ago

Tbf these are the guys who killed Napster

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RememberTheApollo_ 9 points 2 years ago

One of many, but certainly one of the loudest and most monied voices.

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blimthepixie 10 points 2 years ago

Aren't/Weren't Pantera associated with white supremacism as well?

There's probably loads more to be fair

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Goendhir 7 points 2 years ago

Yeah there are some videos out there of Phil Anselmo screaming "White Power"

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ZILtoid1991 3 points 2 years ago

Kind of yes, although their music didn't have anything to do it, and their "white supremacism" didn't go much beyond "but can that n----- play the guitar?", confederate flags, and Phil Anselmo's "edgy humor". Some of it was actually overplayed, because Dimebag didn't play his guitar 100% aligned to perfect rythm, and djent kids didn't like that. Metallica is more aware its own right wingedness in its music.

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PotatoLibre 10 points 2 years ago

I can believe that.

I've a afroamerican mate here in Sweden, kinda mad lad.

He's from NY. Once he told me at every gig he was the only black guy in the crowd (90s), Punk, metal, he always was alone.

Anyway it seems he had a good time, but I guess NY it's diffent from many other places in the Us.

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RememberTheApollo_ 7 points 2 years ago

Depends on the band, I guess. Been to some punk stuff and it was really mixed. Metallica was the biggest metal show I’ve been to, there were different ethnicities in the crowd, but I would have felt kinda uncomfortable were I them. E: TBC I felt uncomfortable by what I saw.

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TheLowestStone 4 points 2 years ago

Depends on the band and part of NY. People tend to forget that NY state is huge and has a lot of rural areas. I lived in the Hudson Valley for a long time and went to a ton of punk and metal shows in that area and can say that the crowds were 99% white. That being said, we didn't give a fuck if you weren't white; people in the pit only cared of you were an asshole who was out to hurt people.

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JasonDJ 9 points 2 years ago

Dude I went to an Incubus concert a couple years ago and there was a guy proudly wearing a "Let's go Brandon!" shirt.

He might've been cheering on the singer though.

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Passerby6497 3 points 2 years ago

Didn’t help that FFDP was there with their military fetish and making commentary about the Biden administration.

I'm kinda disappointed how much I like some of their stuff, but I refuse to support them and their Wehraboo fanbase.

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MutilationWave 1 point 2 years ago

Metallica sucks anyway. If they've already taken it they can have it. Shitloads of good metal out there.

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Mandelbrot 27 points 2 years ago
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janus2 6 points 2 years ago

feels bad man

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HawlSera 2 points 2 years ago

I'm just relieved they didn't succeed for long

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lepinkainen 27 points 2 years ago

They already took flags in multiple countries.

It’s always iffy when you carry the flag of your country because the people who do that tend to be assholes. Let’s not let them get anything else.

And take the flags back too.

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mimavox 8 points 2 years ago

Yep. 100% true in Sweden. They've been doing it since the 90s.

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melpomenesclevage 22 points 2 years ago
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space 11 points 2 years ago

Plus they associate war with masculinity and magic with femininity, and their main guy is the god of both. Women fought and men learned magic. Clearly gender was a pretty flexibly concept. (Not to even mention that we found what appears to be trans masc viking burials.)

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melpomenesclevage 3 points 2 years ago
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Frostbeard 3 points 2 years ago

What buried site was that?

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space 5 points 2 years ago

Birka grave Bj 581

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biofaust 2 points 2 years ago

For a second I feared Lemmy didn't have the "Save comment" function yet.

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clonedhuman 21 points 2 years ago

There's a specific breed of online Nazis who insist that it's 'punk' to be Conservative.

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Retropunk64 11 points 2 years ago
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El_Scapacabra 5 points 2 years ago

I say we put this to the test as often as possible.

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DicJacobus 10 points 2 years ago

fascists are even trying to steal the identity and word of conservatisim.

conservatives of 12-15 years ago are liberal by todays standards.

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Agent641 19 points 2 years ago

They can have Nickleback

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 4 points 2 years ago

BUILD THE WONDERWALL

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BarbecueCowboy 19 points 2 years ago

Man, feel like Norse iconography might be almost a lost cause here. I was looking into getting a Thor's Hammer tattoo years ago... Every variation you can think of has been co-opted by a Nazi group somewhere. I think it was the FBI that used to keep a database of symbols linked to terrorist groups, most of it was various flavors of Nazis and most of that was symbols stolen from Norse culture.

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DarkDarkHouse 6 points 2 years ago path: 0 15619120 15621741, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
lmmarsano 6 points 2 years ago

I was looking into getting a Thor’s Hammer tattoo years ago

Couldn't a "fuck Nazis" message somewhere clarify that?

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MutilationWave 4 points 2 years ago

I've got a huge Vlad Tepes Dracula tattoo for very personal reasons. Then I find out Nazis are using it as a symbol. Fuck their perfidious infiltration.

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SaltSong 18 points 2 years ago

This is why gatekeeping is actually important. But you've got to be sure you're keeping out the people who want to change the group, rather than people who want to join it.

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SatansMaggotyCumFart 17 points 2 years ago

Is there a conservative punk rock movement?

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Seleni 46 points 2 years ago

Yes.

It’s exactly as mid and soulless as you’d think.

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SatansMaggotyCumFart 27 points 2 years ago

I'm guessing they aren't very self-aware either.

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Banana 22 points 2 years ago

They never are

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faho 25 points 2 years ago

What do you think "Nazi punks fuck off" was for?

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SatansMaggotyCumFart 6 points 2 years ago

I thought it was for the conservative/neo-nazi/fascist fans I didn't think there were actual bands.

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BigBananaDealer 19 points 2 years ago

dead kennedys made it their opener at live shoes because neo nazis would show up to their concerts

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crowleysnow 23 points 2 years ago

the bigger thing right now is people being purposefully obtuse and treating "punk" as the same thing as "counter culture."

conservatives are using this argument to state that they are the REAL punks because they are anti-establishment (while somehow holding all branches of the government but whatever)

in their mind punk people change their political ideologies to whatever is the opposite of who is in power, and so clearly all existing punks had to flip to the other side the second obama was elected or something.

(I'm a second generation punk on both sides and my whole family would curb stomp these asshats)

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Doctor_Satan 12 points 2 years ago

Conservatives have never and will never be the punk, because punk is a counterculture movement against cultural conservatism, not who is in office at any given time. Punk has always been about cultural freedom, and conservatism is about cultural restriction.

One of the best examples of conservatives' superficial understanding of counterculture was during the 2020 elections in Philadelphia, when some Boomers wrapped themselves in flags outside a polling place and danced to RATM "Killing in the Name". They heard the words "fuck you I won't do what you tell me", and decided that it represented THEM, while discarding the rest of the lyrics and the entire meaning of the song.

They do this with all media, from music to books to movies and TV. Their understanding and interpretation of art begins and ends at the surface level.

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mimavox 8 points 2 years ago

It almost made me cry with joy when racists in UK were opossed by classic anti fascist punk guys with spiked hair during the riots last year. I hade no idea these guys were still around.

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Doctor_Satan 8 points 2 years ago

The Red Warriors need to make a comeback.

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SatansMaggotyCumFart 10 points 2 years ago

You're a purebred punk?

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crowleysnow 15 points 2 years ago

in the same way that a child of two goldendoodles is a purebred goldendoodle i guess lol

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SatansMaggotyCumFart 9 points 2 years ago

I hope you're smarter than a goldendoodle.

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evasive_chimpanzee 9 points 2 years ago

Like the broader skinhead movement, Oi! was originally just a punk subgenre, but now a lot of people only affiliate them with fascists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oi!

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S_H_K 17 points 2 years ago

I remember when Anime ang gaming were pretty progressive. Now they complain wokism about everything. God fucking damn.
Then the hentai thing is insane how the rape theme took over. They cry censorship and shit but man you follow a guy in Instagram that does hentai ONLY ABOUT RAPE! 80+ works all about rape! You don't see a fuckin problem there buddy?
Yeah it gone a little personal.

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lmmarsano 4 points 2 years ago

Then the hentai thing is insane how the rape theme took over.

It took over? What were those tentacle monsters doing? Loving tenderly?

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S_H_K 1 point 2 years ago

Yeah I get it but I mean the NTR and "guy doing the rape" definitely took over. I remember on the late 90s early 2000s it was much more fantasy bs and "lucky guy" stories shit like bible black and house of dolls where the exception rather than the norm.
I can give it to you that maybe it was always there and I'm having some rose tinted memories, but definitely is worrying and the supporters are quite a handful that's undeniable.

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lmmarsano 2 points 2 years ago

the NTR and “guy doing the rape”

Not familiar with that. I'm very curious what kind of hentai you were watching.

I haven't watched hentai in a while (since late 90s, early 2000s). I primarily remember the more conspicuous, taboo content that probably drew more attention of foreign audiences: incest, rape, tentacles, pedophilia, coprophilia, gore, vore, etc. I'm sure there was much gentler stuff too, but taboo seemed to get the most reaction.

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whaleiam 15 points 2 years ago

They are fucking losers who have based their life on hate. It’s all they have, we gotta show their idiot followers they have no fun. We know how to fucking party. Party for freedom! Be excellent to each other. I want a bill and Ted future, not a handmaidens tale. Stand up and fight back!

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plaineatin -7 points 2 years ago
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Emerald 15 points 2 years ago

Yeah don't let them have the swastika either.

Wait… I'm hearing it's too late for that. Damn.

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Scott_of_the_Arctic 11 points 2 years ago

I had to stop wearing my Mjølner pendant because of those fucks. So I fully agree.

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lmmarsano 6 points 2 years ago

You didn't have to. That's called relenting. Could have worn a "fuck fascists" message alongside it? Maybe it was easier to give up that battle?

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Clinicallydepressedpoochie 9 points 2 years ago

I'm not going to let them take fat and stupid. The sacrifices my people made will not be in vain!

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skozzii 9 points 2 years ago

I guess we can let them keep Tesla...

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drunkpostdisaster 8 points 2 years ago

It's bad enough they basically own my entire demograph.

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plaineatin -18 points 2 years ago
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DicJacobus 8 points 2 years ago

Not wrong at all, the Nazi Party co-opted and stole countless icons and imagery, the swastika itself was stolen.

and the modern day Nazi Party in Russia at least, tries to steal entire letters of the Latin alphabet.

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qyron 8 points 2 years ago

How about letting them have "no", "get bent" or, in extremes cases, a punch to the kisser? Can they have those?

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SLVRDRGN 6 points 2 years ago

They already took Doge

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suite403 6 points 2 years ago

So fucking on point. I'm tired of things being g taken by them.

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Doctor_Satan 1 point 2 years ago
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tanisnikana 5 points 2 years ago

Nazis can have Trapt. That’s what they can have.

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prettybunnys 8 points 2 years ago

They can have nothing.

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TheLowestStone 1 point 2 years ago

I'm willing to let then have Nickleback.

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prettybunnys 4 points 2 years ago

The joke you think you’re making isn’t funny actually.

Let them have nothing

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TheLowestStone -1 points 2 years ago

You seem fun.

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Doctor_Satan 4 points 2 years ago

I agree with this. That singer is a mega douche anyway. One of the most hilarious things I've seen was a few years back when he was trying to beef with Ice-T on Twitter, and Ice just kept calling him "Mr. Trapt" and it sent him off the fucking edge.

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lmmarsano 5 points 2 years ago

Does that go for liberal or philosophical ideals like free speech?

I come across a bit of rhetoric identifying free speech as a right-wing authoritarian cause, arguing that they "claim, twist, poison, ruin" it, so it's fine to give it up and no longer defend it.

Those rhetoricians seem to have a skewed or ahistorical disregard for the advances in political philosophy from the enlightenment era that got society out of the dark ages, away from authoritarianism & toward political plurality & liberal democracy. Freedom of speech was a foundational development & its growth enabled the civil rights movements that followed.

Yet according to the rhetoric, it's a problem now that right-wing authoritarians claim it as part of their cause. They'll just let them claim & define it, and now that free speech is wrong (since they let right-wingers "have" it), it's okay to limit & undermine it.

One might think they're right-wing authoritarians in disguise trying to dupe everyone into threatening the foundations of liberal society. Whether or not they are, there's a good chance they'll show up here possibly in response to this comment.

Is there a name for that type of rhetoric or the people who argue it?

Anyway, it all seems like capitulation to me. I think letting fascists claim such philosophical ideals is a mistake.

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IceyPea 12 points 2 years ago

Free Speech is the right to have and express opinions without being repressed by the government. Yelling fire in a theatre is not an opinion any more than harassing people with racial slurs or other forms of flatulence.

Nobody is giving free speech to fascists. Ignorant assholes are misappropriating the term to justify their disgusting behaviour and they're the only one's falling for it.

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lmmarsano 3 points 2 years ago

The (direct) harm principle of free speech has been recognized since at least J S Mill. It's reflected in legal limitations on incitement of imminent lawless action (falsely shouting fire); incitement of violence; defamation; discriminatory acts that objectively deprive peaceful access to rights, opportunities, or resources we are entitled to. It does not restrict merely offensive conduct that bothers.

Are you referring to harassment in the looser sense of merely irritating conduct or in the stricter sense of personally targeted conduct that is unwelcome & objectively harms or deprives peaceful access as mentioned before (often through persistence)? We don't have a right not to be offended.

Freedom of speech is specifically for speech we dislike including much that you listed. It's also for speech to oppose that, which could be taken much further instead of trying to compromise it.

People who support only "free speech" they agree with don't support free speech at all. They either never understood free speech, or believe it's not worth it, thus give it away to the authoritarians exactly like I criticized.

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eris 1 point 2 years ago
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AeonFelis 5 points 2 years ago

Do fascists really try to take Satanism though? Don't they usually prefer to claim to be on God's side?

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GeekFTW 5 points 2 years ago

Fascists try to take everything they can get their hands on to try and get a way "in". There's O9A, Joy of Satan, STS (not TST) and others.

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MutilationWave 2 points 2 years ago

There's a bunch of fucking Nazi punks out there. Punk and satanism are uber alles. Punk is anti fascist as it gets but these fucks are too stupid to see it.

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safetyincartoons 5 points 2 years ago

This is a wonderful point! I recall years ago reading the government said of the hippies that they just started selling them incense (to put it lightly) and it was one of the ways of taking them down from the inside. So this is an old trick used by many. Sucks how insidious it all is.

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rockettaco37 4 points 2 years ago

I love how butthurt they become when you call them fascist. They're perfect fine invading spaces they don't belong in, but the moment somebody labels them correctly, they lose their shit

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FarraigePlaisteach 4 points 2 years ago

I’ve read all the comments here and I’ve concluded that we don’t really have an effective way for dealing with this problem, although we all recognise the problem.

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AES_Enjoyer 3 points 2 years ago

We do have effective ways, but libs would rather spend their time shitting on communists (the ones who historically and actually fight fascism)

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HawlSera 3 points 2 years ago

I will forever curse Milo Snuffaluffagus or whatever his name was for Gamergate.

Especially since incompetent Games Jouranlism is and has been a problem for a long time, and now nothing will be done about it because any attempt to reform or shake up the industry is poisoned by the spectre of that bigoted sham.

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GeeDubHayduke 5 points 2 years ago

Would you find comfort, or discomfort if i told you I've been a "gamer" since 1984, and I'm still not fully clear in wtf gamergate was?

I'm aware it involved journalists and devs. The adhd kinda prevented anything beyond that.

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HawlSera 5 points 2 years ago

The sneakiest thing about it is the issues it brought were geniune, but its desire to solve them was not.

It was a movement that wanted to target game journalism acting in political interest more in gaming one, hiring journalists who were blatantly unqualified, giving games terrible review scores either for being "too difficult" or for not being "politically correct" enough.

The problem? Gamergate was always a scam, the people behind the movement had no interest in addressing these concerns, but rather using them to indoctrinate gamers into the far right, and sadly it worked as we're still having to fight off bigots in gaming who shit themselves whenever a rainbow shows up or god forbid anyone have a skintone that's any darker than the quiet kid who hung out at Hot Topic loudly praising the Columbine Shooters back in 2005.

And the actual problems Gamer Gate wanted to address continue to go unsolved, especially as we see remasters and remakes that are heavily censored compared to their original counterpart (Dead Rising 2006 Vs. Dead Rising 2024 is a good example) or worse, we see games that actively remove content for being too raunchy (Skull Girls basically lost its playerbase overnight by censoring out all of the fanservice in their fanservice game, which even went as far as removing fanart from the art book that they charged money for, falsely accused the original creator of being a pedophile, and claimed the fans upset about this change were also pedophiles.. weirdly that didn't win them back and the game has entered something of a dark age.), with games journalism carrying water for such atrocities.

(You can say what you want about the morality of selling a game where you see the women's panties during high kicks, the fact that the game was sold as a fanservice game for the better part of two decades and then suddenly EVERYONE'S COPIES were patched to remove that is wrong, it's been rightfully compared to George Lucas breaking into your house to steal your VHS copies of the original trilogy and leave behind Special Edition Blu-Rays. While one of these characters was canonically 16 which is usually the defense for that, this only covers one character and even then her age came up so little in the story that I didn't know until it was given as a reason for the change, but counter-point.... Why draw attention to it instead of just quietly upping the age of an animated cartoon of a woman who doesn't exist who is only ever given a solid number for her age when you check the wiki anyway?)

There was also the infamous debacle of a game journalist who was mocked for giving Cuphead a bad review calling it too difficult, when the same journalist while filming himself trying to play it couldn't pass a tutorial with literal written instructions on screen, he later was terrible at Doom Eternal and gave that a poor score too.

For those who don't play games, Doom Eternal and Cuphead are considered two of the greatest games of all time, with the latter having a three season Netflix series and a comic book series fully exploring and fleshing out the world, while the former was basically the second coming of FPS games that don't suck.

So the company he worked for, instead of reprimanding him and teaching him to get good went "The gamers are to blame!", and wrote slander articles trying to portray Cuphead as being racist. A claim that was basically laughed away from the fandom and quickly walked back.

I was with Gamergate when it originally launched, but left when I found out the truth. Thankfully I'm a transwoman so it didn't take me long to figure out that this wasn't worth my time as my particular faction of it actually banned me for being a woman. I was told by some incel chud that I "Likely was just pretending to be a gamer to get a boyfriend" and that "Sorry honey this aint your dating app."

Then Gamergate as a whole tried to tell people that Mortal Kombat X wasn't sexy enough and was trying to indoctrinate people into being gay, the latter of which was based on a single character having a single throw away line in the storyline not even said by him that implied it. (Same story mode also has the game being brought to a screeching halt so Johnny Cage and Sonya Blade can scream in each other's faces about how they totally used to fuck, meaning ironically it's heterosexuality that's being shoved in player's faces.), the former of which was based on the fact that the women are in their underwear but in the last game they had more revealing underwear.

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GeeDubHayduke 3 points 2 years ago

Thanks for the response, and the examples. I appreciate you writing that all out.

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Syrc 2 points 2 years ago

I hate how it’s always like this. Some leftists get angry about fictional stuff and fascists use the opportunity to get more people to their side. When will they learn to shut up about things that don’t actually harm anyone?

Gamergate would’ve had no legs to stand on if people just left “gamers” alone. Instead they decided to complain about innocuous stuff and now we have a crapton of young people who suck up to Andrew Tate & co because they feel like the other side of the spectrum hates them. How do we always manage to sabotage ourselves?

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billbasher 4 points 2 years ago

F the fascists

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bestboyfriendintheworld 3 points 2 years ago

ᚨᛚᛖᚱᛏᚨ ᚨᛚᛖᚱᛏᚨ ᚨᚾᛏᛁᚠᚨᚢᛋᚺᛁᛋᛏᚨ

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KSPAtlas 3 points 2 years ago

"alerta alerta antifausists"?

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bestboyfriendintheworld 2 points 2 years ago

ᛗᛡ ᚠᚢᚦᚪᚱᚳ ᛁᛋ ᚪ ᛚᛁᛏᛚᛖ ᚱᚢᛋᛏᛡ

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ChaoticNeutralCzech 3 points 2 years ago

I believe in you! It's just a little Rusty now but you'll turn it into a fully memory-safe project eventually!

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bestboyfriendintheworld 3 points 2 years ago

ᚦᚪᛜᚳᛋ

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peteyestee 2 points 2 years ago

They already killed hip-hop.

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jayhawk 8 points 2 years ago
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peteyestee -13 points 2 years ago

The culture of "real" hip-hop is basically crime culture, within that crime culture the same methods of of fascist control are used. Like the way rappers attack one another and try to control people. Gangs intertwined with the culture. Gangs are fascist, they are Nazis, they abuse people for their own personal gains. Rappers are often a voice for that sort of shitty behavior.

Just listen to any "gangster rap" they are all authoritarians raping other people's lives.

(Very generalized)

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MutilationWave 14 points 2 years ago

Fuck that shit. Listen to Danny, Tech, RTJ. Fucking MF DOOM and Ace Rock if you want to go back. Hip hop is punk as fuck and anti fascist.

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bitjunkie 8 points 2 years ago

Gangsta rap culture has its roots in generational poverty and the Reagan-inflicted crack epidemic.

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loutr 6 points 2 years ago

There's a conspiracy theory going around that the music industry execs colluded to heavily promote gangsta rap over social-conscious rap during the 90's, so that young black people would turn to a life of crime and fill up prisons, as they had recently invested in the nascent private prison industry.

The only "proofs" are anonymous testimonies by self-described industry insiders, but the fact that rap wasn't always about gangsta culture is real.

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HawlSera 6 points 2 years ago

Honestly I fully believe it, especially since black people who get into music are pushed towards Rap and Hip Hop by their labels being told "This is the only black music that will sell"

Women of all colors have similar things done with them, usually getting pushed into love songs.

https://youtu.be/uAq6RjSuwXQ - Korn actually made a music video with black celebrities as stand-ins for the band solely to send the message of "If we were black, this song couldn't exist because the industry is just that racist."

And I think it's common knowledge that the song "Love Song", was specifically in rebellion to the artist in question being told that women HAVE to do love songs.

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andros_rex 2 points 2 years ago

If you told me that Suge Knight was responsible for the Lindbergh baby kidnapping, I’d believe you.

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McNasty 1 point 2 years ago

Well, Superman looked up at me,

he said, "You rock so naturally"

I said "Now that you've learned to deal, let me tell you why I'm so for real.

I'm Cozmo D from outer space, I came to rock the human race.

I do it right 'cause I can't do it wrong That's why the whole world is singin' this song"

Ah, jam on it

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andros_rex 5 points 2 years ago

“Very generalized” uhh, can you give some examples? Like, maybe if you squint at the 90’s West Coast/East Coast rivalry, but not really?

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Acinonyx 2 points 2 years ago

this goes for most ideologies, really

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grue 30 points 2 years ago

No, it really doesn't. Nazism is uniquely disingenuous and predatory by its nature.

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Olhonestjim 3 points 2 years ago

They aren't predators. They're parasites.

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Semjaza 8 points 2 years ago

Nah, other ideologies create things and can do more than just appropriate.

Fascists haven't created anything cultural since Leni Reifenstahl. And she was a documentarist.

For Fascists all imagery and symbols are merely empty signifiers for nostalgia, a mythologised past, and a sense of belonging.

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HawlSera 1 point 2 years ago

They can have a video game, but only this one puts down a copy of Superman 64

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yarr 0 points 2 years ago

Let's let them have nu-metal... that'll show them.

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bradd 7 points 2 years ago
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yarr 4 points 2 years ago

Sounds like you are taking one step closer to the edge

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bradd 3 points 2 years ago
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janus2 3 points 2 years ago

nu metal is trash but it's OUR trash and we're not sharing with fascist dickheads

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feedum_sneedson -4 points 2 years ago

I don't know man, Satanism is pretty fucking stupid.

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MutilationWave 1 point 2 years ago path: 0 15634693 15638223, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 1
feedum_sneedson 3 points 2 years ago

I'm familiar with this version - it's still a bit silly, but I understand it's more of a pressure group than anything, and I can see where they're coming from.

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dickie86 -12 points 2 years ago
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Zachariah -14 points 2 years ago

I’m okay with letting them have Christianity though.

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ZagamTheVile 18 points 2 years ago

Not real Christianity though. Not the one where people feed people and help others. Don't forget Prez Carter and Mr. Roger's were both that kind of Christian. They can have the Jerry Falwell style bullshit.

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faythofdragons 4 points 2 years ago

But my childhood church said that Carter and Rogers weren't real christians. Mr Rogers never would have advised I follow the bible's instructions to marry my rapist, for example.

I've heard "cherry picking" used a lot to deride christians for not following the bible, but I absolutely want people to be fake christians and only follow the feel good parts. I don't want people to be devout and take things on faith, I want them to question what they're told. I don't want the real christians who follow the bible as closely as possible. I want them to acknowledge that the bible has some horrible stuff in it that nobody should listen to.

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Zachariah 3 points 2 years ago

You don’t need Christianity to be a good person. And it has enables too many people to do terrible things. Not sure you can split it into real/fake.

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sleen 14 points 2 years ago
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ZagamTheVile 0 points 2 years ago

I don't. But some people do. If it brings out the good in them, where's the harm? And yes, there is real and fake. Real is following the actual actual teachings, fake is using them for self gain.

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tatann 4 points 2 years ago

"Real is following the actual teachings"

I think I've heard this one for another religion, didn't end up great for the people (especially women)

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prettybunnys 13 points 2 years ago

They can have nothing.

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plaineatin -18 points 2 years ago
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plaineatin -18 points 2 years ago
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plaineatin -16 points 2 years ago
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plaineatin -14 points 2 years ago
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plaineatin -14 points 2 years ago
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PixelatedSaturn -23 points 2 years ago

I don't think they really ever steal cultures like that?

Which culture did they ever take and appropriate?

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grue 31 points 2 years ago

They've stolen and appropriated every symbol they have, from the swastika and the iron cross to pepe the frog.

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PixelatedSaturn -11 points 2 years ago

Swastika is not a culture. A cross is a cross. Pepe?

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brbposting 1 point 2 years ago

Swastika is not a culture.

If you have a Wiki link or comment, curious if any culture has ever been stolen.

(just speaking to parent commenter here, not making a declaration - trying to understand the perspective & outta my element)

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PixelatedSaturn -3 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure what you mean. What I'm talking about is from the original post. Nazis won't take over satanism, black metal, punk, beer(wtf!!?) or anything else like that. It doesn't work like that.

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surewhynotlem 22 points 2 years ago path: 0 15610683 15611089, hotness: undefined, score: 22, children: 14
WagyuSneakers 3 points 2 years ago

Witch girls are super rightwing now. A real weird flip.

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5too 4 points 2 years ago

That is a weird one. Did they get swarmed by people looking for alternative medicine or something?

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MutilationWave 2 points 2 years ago

What the fuck? How? Why? My witch girl comrades, no!

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surewhynotlem 4 points 2 years ago

It's similar to the granola-mom to alt-right pipeline. If you're willing to believe things with no evidence, you can be made to believe anything.

I love the witchy girls, but there's a difference between doing a ritual because you know it calms you and helps you think, vs thinking you're actually dispelling demons. The latter are susceptible.

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WagyuSneakers 2 points 2 years ago

The absolute weirdest flip. The hyper feminism witch girl from my old highschool married an ICE agent. My super Wicca HR manager from two jobs back would do rituals for the police.

I dug into it and it's not a unique experience. That demographic, somehow, went fascist real fast. It's often attributed to "Conspiritualism" or holistic spiritual type peoples predisposition to accept wild conspiracy theories. The Alt Right works by rejecting the mainstream narratives and that aligns with their values. There's a shared element of fetishizing the past and both groups show high recruitment when people feel powerless.

Tldr; There are no harmless fools. If you worship a rock, you will get a block. Ignorance has no place in civil society.

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KingThrillgore 2 points 2 years ago

The ADL didn't call Elon's salute a hate symbol, I think we can rule out their expertise at the moment. Also: "Non-racist pagans may also use this symbol, so one should carefully examine it in context rather than assume that a particular use of the symbol is racist."

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surewhynotlem 2 points 2 years ago

If a Nazi says the sky is blue, that doesn't make it green

But here's another possible source, from a location that would know.

https://sites.uab.edu/...

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zout 20 points 2 years ago

Skinhead culture.

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PixelatedSaturn -13 points 2 years ago

Ok, but that's the only one and even there, the presence of nationalism was there almost from the start.

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zout 16 points 2 years ago

How about the republican party in the USA?

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Banana 13 points 2 years ago

Even the swastika was co-opted by them.

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PixelatedSaturn -8 points 2 years ago

That's not about over taking a culture.

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Semjaza 10 points 2 years ago

Miniature wargaming... 40K is especially fascy.

They've tried for punk subculture.

Been pretty successful with metal subculture.

Online nerd-subculture.

I'm sure there are many more... They're in the op pic after all.

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PixelatedSaturn 1 point 2 years ago

So Nazis are taking miniature wargaming?

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t_chalco 8 points 2 years ago

Unironically supporting the supremacy of the Big E, purity of the human species, and fascism of the Emperium. Like folks missing the irony in Verhoven's Starship Troopers.

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PixelatedSaturn -2 points 2 years ago

That doesn't make any sense. If I write a sci Fi story about space Nazis, that doesn't mean Nazis are taking over literature.

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Semjaza 2 points 2 years ago

Yes. It's been quite a big thing last 10 years or so.

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tatann 10 points 2 years ago

Skinheads and oï weren't nazis at first (and still aren't for some part)

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comfy 5 points 2 years ago

In some places, the SHARPs are the only skinheads around, which is nice.

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whydudothatdrcrane 1 point 2 years ago

And still aren't for a big part.

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metoosalem 10 points 2 years ago
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grue 9 points 2 years ago path: 0 15610683 15611074 15611475, hotness: undefined, score: 9, children: 0
PixelatedSaturn 5 points 2 years ago

That's not gonna stick. Maga are not cultured people. They don't listen to music, they don't delve into self reflection, they aren't thinking about meaning and the universe. There is no art there.

Sure there are a few people here and there, that will make a website, but that's not gonna hold.

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MutilationWave 1 point 2 years ago

The OG Nazis were very anti art. They called it degenerate. It's just the same old player piano roll playing into infinity with nobody in the seat.

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RememberTheApollo_ 6 points 2 years ago path: 0 15610683 15614510, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 2
PixelatedSaturn -6 points 2 years ago

I don't think people think of Nazis when they see runes.

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RememberTheApollo_ 6 points 2 years ago

Then that’s out of ignorance.

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evasive_chimpanzee 4 points 2 years ago

Literally everything in the original post.

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PixelatedSaturn -4 points 2 years ago

Punk Rock and black metal? I don't know, I listen to a lot of that and I get rarely hear any Nazis making such music. Of course there are bands like that, but there are also some gay Nazis and we aren't taking about Nazis appropriateing gayness.

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yourgodlucifer 5 points 2 years ago

You listen to a lot of black metal and are not aware of the Nazi problem? Come on some of the most well known black metal bands have Nazis in them everybody knows varg is a nazi.

Black metal has a whole nazi subgenre NSBM you have to be blind to not realize black metal has a nazi problem.

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PixelatedSaturn -4 points 2 years ago

Then I'm blind. I don't know what to tell you. There are also gay Nazis, but that doesn't mean gay people have a Nazi problem.

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evasive_chimpanzee 4 points 2 years ago path: 0 15610683 15612518 15614954 15618976, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 1
PixelatedSaturn -1 points 2 years ago path: 0 15610683 15612518 15614954 15618976 15622716, hotness: undefined, score: -1, children: 0
philluminati 3 points 2 years ago

Football perhaps, maybe football away games. All the trouble that some hooligans cause abroad. Thankfully football might be too big to fail, but they do give it a bad vibe at the worst of times.

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PixelatedSaturn -4 points 2 years ago

Football? I don't think people think of Nazis when they watch football

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crapwittyname 2 points 2 years ago

Then you need to do a little bit of reading and then come back.

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PixelatedSaturn -3 points 2 years ago

I can do no reading and still be 100% right that people watching football are in large majority not Nazis.

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surph_ninja -25 points 2 years ago

They can have ska.

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prettybunnys 19 points 2 years ago

They can have nothing

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TexasDrunk 5 points 2 years ago

Yep. I don't even want them to have country and I don't listen to any modern country.

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whydudothatdrcrane 18 points 2 years ago

A Caribbean genre revived by black marginalized youth in the formerly imperialist Thatcher's UK? Are you ...sure?

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surph_ninja -10 points 2 years ago

It’s a joke about ska being shitty.

But that scene has also had its own issues with Nazis.

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pineapplelover 13 points 2 years ago

I love ska especially punk ska

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surph_ninja -13 points 2 years ago

Booo!!!

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MutilationWave 1 point 2 years ago

Some ska for your fucking stupid gob.

Yeah that's just a bit ska but there's a bunch of revolutionary ska punk and it wrecks face.

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swab148 9 points 2 years ago

Over my dead fucking body.

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surph_ninja 2 points 2 years ago

Alright. If you want it, you’re gonna have to skank for it.

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Gradually_Adjusting 6 points 2 years ago

Even this I would deny them.

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surph_ninja -1 points 2 years ago

I agree it seems harsh, but remember that these are Nazis.

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bestboyfriendintheworld 5 points 2 years ago

Angry Oi! skin noises

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dickie86 -28 points 2 years ago
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pulsewidth 8 points 2 years ago

Must be nice to live in this fantasy world of yours where there are no real problems.

No Russian war of aggression in Ukraine, no Palestinian genocide, no billionaire capitalists causing climate change and wealth inequality hitting levels not seen since the 1920 market crash - just happy feels with head in the Murdoch sand.

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dickie86 -6 points 2 years ago
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Alloi 3 points 2 years ago

what privilege you must enjoy to be able to ignore fascism when everyone around you has to work on your behalf to maintain your freedoms.

good for you.

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Rooty 8 points 2 years ago

A billionare wormtongued his way into becoming a defacto shadow president of a nuclear armed superpower and you blame random leftists on lemmy? Go back to Reddit, you'll fit right in with the rest of the herd.

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rayquetzalcoatl 4 points 2 years ago

The only people causing problems in the world are leftists? What are you talking about?

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