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Yes, this means a ton of carbon ends up in the atmosphere instead of in the trees. The right move would be thinning and prescribed burns, but this administration isn't going to do that.
douglasg14b 60 points a year ago
Ah yes, because native Americans celebrate the raping of their lands as long as the people who took it from them hundreds of years ago descendants (unlikely, given how many generations are immigrants) are also having their lands raped too.
Get the fuck out here with this brain-rot level argument. 🤦
Go stir the pot somewhere else.
baines -2 points a year ago
that shit didn’t stop happening ‘hundreds of years ago’ natives are getting fucked over by America regarding land rights as we speak
fuck off yourself
obviously you wouldn't know this though because it only matters when it happens to you, typical privileged white america
Fluke -21 points a year ago
You're right in that it was a comment designed to "stir the pot", if by that you mean, "make someone stop for a moment and consider their position in history".
I agree that any right thinking person, of Native American origin or otherwise should be aghast at the current US administrations utter destruction of everything, from old growth forest to human structures of civilisation.
Reading it back, my comment sounds flippant and ignorant. That's on me for commenting pre-coffee and smoke. 💛
Madison420 -2 points a year ago
Reading it back, my comment sounds flippant and ignorant.
I don't think you all on .ee can help that, you seem to be solely a propaganda instance.
Fluke 4 points a year ago
"The government" offered money for the task, and thousands took that money and got on with the job.
"The Government" is people. Usually the worst, most manipulative self-serving people. It does what other people let it get away with.
douglasg14b 50 points a year ago
Moot, pointless, argument.
This argument accomplishes what exactly? Aside from trying to just stir the pot or create culture war drama?
It's okay for public lands to be raped and razed now? Because (like damn near all the land in the world, everywhere) was taken during war/conflict?
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discocactus 2 points a year ago
oddly relevant
douglasg14b 1 point a year ago
Our native Americans the only ones who are allowed to be concerned about the country it's land and the environment?
Your argument and point again only serves to further the culture war aspect of this and does nothing to address the problem at hand.
StupidBrotherInLaw 17 points a year ago
A little opinion is appropriate in response to a small minded comment.
Butterpaderp 11 points a year ago
"They're gonna chop down national forests"
"bUt WhAT aBoUt ThE iNdIaNs???"
bruh
Butterpaderp 1 point a year ago
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Hello_there 156 points a year ago
Fuck. This kind of shit is why I feel the need for revenge on these people. They're slashing forests and impoverishing the population. It's not enough for them to lose an election. they need to pay
MonkderVierte 88 points a year ago
Uhm, why can he just decide this? Not part of his expertise or departement.
johncandy1812 49 points a year ago
Trump doesn't like that the US buys lumber from Canada. He's going to announce 34% tariffs on lumber from Canada in the next few days.
johncandy1812 3 points a year ago
The rest is an assault on the natural world.
stormdahl 6 points a year ago
In addition to the blanket tariffs already announced? Seriously I think that guy might be an evil alien supervillain or something. He seems to be doing his best to ruin the world in any way he can.
johncandy1812 10 points a year ago
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He's out to cripple Canada's economy, then he'll attempt to invade it. True evil.
SabinStargem 3 points a year ago
I honestly would prefer that. I don't want to think of Trump as a member of the human race. Plus, it would imply that the bad guys are actually competent. The Trump Regime isn't just evil, it is weaponized secondhand embarrassment.
finitebanjo 10 points a year ago
Some national parks might be protected by legislation, such as the Yosemite Act of 1864, but massive amounts of land were protected by the executive branch such as Teddy Roosevelt protecting 150 Million Acres of forest and Joseph Biden protecting 674 Million Acres.
Then you also have Treaties with native americans which can be considered law if Republicans actually acknowledged them as such (they don't).
MonkderVierte 2 points a year ago
Yeah, but he can decide that alone?
untorquer 6 points a year ago
He appoints and directs the head of the department who, in turn, can more or less do so. They've been blatantly ignoring status quo and legal authority for a while now, so unless the supreme court gets the case and disagrees, they're unlikely to stop.
MountainVeil 2 points a year ago
It's the goal of project 2025 that he is able to.
PantanoPete 70 points a year ago
America is a dumpster fire lol, they have all these "checks and balances" but then one guy can just make all the trade policy and land use decisions by decree. What even is the point of their congress
d0ntpan1c 10 points a year ago
Problem is that both houses majorities support the lunatic, right now they've more or less given him a blank check to operate.
Historically, the two party system has meant that Congress either votes with the presidents wishes or against when it comes to legislation, but Congress doesn't directly approve/disprove of executive orders. To oppose executive orders, Congress needs to pass laws that override the orders. That wont happen unless the majority becomes convinced they'll lose elections if they keep supporting trump.
It'll be up to the Judicial Branch to directly rule for/against this order. But the judicial branch only truly has power so long as the executive complies. We're close to hitting the test of that power balance on some of his earlier orders.
Fun fact: the law enforcement of the Judicial Branch is technically an agency under the Executive Branch. Not a problem if people are largely operating in good faith with the law, or at least fear repurcussions if they don't comply... But since Trump doesn't fear repurcussion, this fun fact may be the oversight that breaks the consitution.
Formfiller 5 points a year ago
Checks and balances all died with citizens united….only one left is the second amendment
LifeInMultipleChoice 2 points a year ago
The 2nd amendment is part of the Bill of rights which he already trampled multiple times. There is no right to bear arms anymore, they just haven't had a reason to round anyone who uses them up yet.
YarHarSuperstar 1 point a year ago
Any solution that stops short of essentially a factory reset (really should go further tbh) is going to land us here again
BarelyAdulting 52 points a year ago
We get 30% of our lumber from Canada. This is the inevitable consequence of shutting our borders to trade via tariffs - if these policies stick around for four years, sure, we may bring some manufacturing home at great immediate cost, but we'll also be bringing home the environmental burdens of manufacturing (the negative externalities) which we've been pushing onto other countries and ignoring for decades. In the meantime, other countries have started to learn how to handle those externalities, like China's big push for solar power. In America, we've got an idiot who is rolling back worker safety, health and environmental protections, the list goes on. So even if these tariffs worked, we're going to be living in a less healthy place, all in the name of jobs...
nova_ad_vitum 6 points a year ago
It has everything to do with lumber tariffs, it's just the other end of the equation. The forests are the supply, and the tariffs will create the demand.
brightandshinyobject 43 points a year ago
The trees can't be harmed if the lorax is armed. You touch his trees, he aims for your knees.
RamblingPanda 5 points a year ago
Go go go, Tonya Harding!
BagOfHeavyStones 8 points a year ago
The Black Knight always triumphs!
Viking_Hippie 2 points a year ago
It's just a flesh wound!
Raiderkev 40 points a year ago
The absolute level of stupidity of this is ridiculous. Lumber mills are not designed for old growth trees in the modern era, so all these trees will not even become lumber. Logging has become very sustainable in recent decades. They farm trees and mill them when they reach the size that the machinery at the mills is optimized for. If we just cut down all the forests, the mills can't even process the logs even though it's better lumber. In reality, they'd just send the old growth logs to be ground for pulp which is a total waste. This video does a good job explaining it.
SabinStargem 26 points a year ago
I think Trump is clearing land for the techno-fiefs that Project 2025 wants to create among the head fascists. He hands out land parcels, gets a reacharound from Thiel and company.
YarHarSuperstar 3 points a year ago
Ugh I hate that they used that word
FundMECFSResearch 37 points a year ago
Trump is speedrunning to aim for the lowest biodiversity index in North America.
Maybe if we stop ridiculously subisidising corn everywhere, some that gets thrown away because we have way too much, we could replace a couple dozen sq km of corn fields with more sustainable agroforestry, and thereby massively increase our logging output, instead of yk, cutting down the last wildlife sanctuaries? Not holding my breath tho.
Delta_V 1 point a year ago
i comfort myself with the knowledge that most worlds are totally dead
zero wildlife is the normal state of things
extinction is only sad to the survivors, and soon enough there will be none left to mourn
mosscap 36 points a year ago
My body is not ready for the amount of alcohol and dancing I am going to force myself to take part in on the day this motherfucker dies and goes to hell.
Literally, the most destructive and evil human on the planet since Hitler. I can't wait until the worms get him. I kind of feel bad for them, but I guess it's part of the job.
YarHarSuperstar 4 points a year ago
That scene in the matrix 2
Spacehooks 34 points a year ago
Cutting down old growth Forrest take 50 years to repair the area after its stopped. What a mess.
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EndlessNightmare 9 points a year ago
Yep, can't fix it in our lifetime
Spacehooks 6 points a year ago
I thought i watch a video talking about 50 to 100 but its random YouTube guy soo you could be right and could very dependent on environment. Desertfication is hard to fix.
Viskio_Neta_Kafo 10 points a year ago
One of the many reasons I'm pissed at his voters every single day.
discocactus 10 points a year ago
More like 150-300 if possible at all.
Spacehooks 1 point a year ago
Now that's waaaaay worst.
Goodmorningsunshine 32 points a year ago
Fucking murder this fuck
wanderingmagus 3 points a year ago
Fortunately this community is on slrpnk.net which might not have the same kinds of trigger happy mods as .world?
Aeri 7 points a year ago
You've got to be careful how you word it lest the gestapo come for you. I will derive pleasure from reading his obituary though.
I will also say that 18 U.S. Code § 2381 says that he should be well, you know. Or fined and put in jail for five years but that's not as fun.
yarr 32 points a year ago
Finally, a good move by Trump. Those trees are taking up incredible amounts of water. This is water that could be used for more productive things, like being mixed with Kool-aid powder on a hot day. Moreover, the trees emit large amounts of oxygen, a dangerous corrosive gas. Don't listen to liberals -- tree hugging is a dangerous activity that can lead to abrasions from all the bark.
If there's anything I learned from Dr. Seuss' "The Lorax", logging can lead to impressive industrial and commercial activity and has no downsides.
Knoxvomica 27 points a year ago
Holy shit, America, you are so fucked at this point.
Eyedust 22 points a year ago
My first thought. Seems appropriate.
Just fyi, I'm pointing out Trump's similarities to an evil villain. I'm not using this to agree. I'm very much against this, having grown up in the woods (practically raised by my local forest, as my mother was an awful drunk and single parent) and I spent most of my youth walking through the peace and quiet of the trees.
I grew up with my mother seeing nothing but my father in me, and was abused for it. Those trees gave me the shelter I needed and I would have been 100x more a mess if I didn't have them. So no. Don't take my fucking trees en masse.
GeeDubHayduke 19 points a year ago
Then i guess it's time to start living up to the old namesake.
Spacehooks 6 points a year ago
What is it?
GeeDubHayduke 36 points a year ago
George Washington Hayduke is one of the four main characters in The Monkeywrench Gang written by Edward Abbey. They're a group of anarchists that destroy things like earth movers to prevent logging or drilling, and just generally fuck with private companies profiting off of public lands.
Basically, they're eco-terrorists.
Spacehooks 24 points a year ago
I think half country would cheer for poison ivy right now.
wolframhydroxide 9 points a year ago
I would, but only if you promise that she isn't a package deal with a wing-suited billionaire who's made a deal with the police and the nearest mental health institution to forcibly incarcerate anyone who stands against his ownership of the country. If we pay for the Poison Ivy package, can we get a discount on the Mr. Freeze package, where we get a disgruntled-but-brilliant climate-scientist-cum-virologist who will spray SO3 into the upper atmosphere and synthesize a strong enough volcanic winter to balance out anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions?
GeeDubHayduke 6 points a year ago
I'd be happy with a half serving of sanity right now. As a treat.
jaggedrobotpubes 6 points a year ago
You mean awesome. They aren't scaring people, they're stopping a rape. If that scares the rapists, it doesn't make it terrorism.
GeeDubHayduke 2 points a year ago
The labels are usually applied by those with an agenda, oddly enough.
GeeDubHayduke 1 point a year ago
I prefer Karo, but that's the idear.
pelicans_plight 16 points a year ago
I predict that any company that participates in destroying the parks will end up even worse off then Tesla. I've been a hiker my whole life and I've met a lot of retired military on the trail.
wispy_jsp 3 points a year ago
One would hope, though I have my doubts due to the wood not being a consumer product. People spend little time researching the next president, I would be surprised if enough people track wood sources to the point of being able to accurately boycott
falkerie71 12 points a year ago
So I just want to chime in here as an outsider. From what I searched, national forests are different from national parks in that, extraction of natural resources from national forests is permitted for commercial and personal use.
Trump's order cites wildfire, insect and disease outbreak as the reason for this change (Biden also sought more logging to combat fire but apparently timber sales did not change much during his tenure). While I agree that forest management is important, Trump had also put tariffs on Canadian lumber and cut down jobs for national park workers. It's not hard to question if there are other motivations other than wildfire prevention in this context.
Statick 4 points a year ago
Here is a good blog post on the nationalforest.org website. Posted in 2013 (according to archive.org).
MountainVeil 2 points a year ago
I live in fire country and I can tell you I have zero faith there's going to be any improvement to wildfire prevention. The "inefficient" forestry jobs have all been cut, and now the trails will be overgrown and the weather forecasts will be spottier. Imagine being in a fire crew in that situation, things will be more dangerous now. This is only about extracting resources.
falkerie71 1 point a year ago
So what you're saying is that he isn't using the trees to build properties, but using the land after the trees has been cut to build property. I can't imagine this would fly legally for national forests though.
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StopTouchingYourPhone 5 points a year ago
Already bad enough here in Ontario with Doug "I'm a big Republican" Ford's Ministerial Zoning Order addiction, gutting environmental protection agencies, trying to sell off the Greenbelt, using covid recovery bills to get his dirt done, etc.
Any rein we've been able to keep on the timbit would dissolve into nada if we allowed the US govt to run their game here. I can't even conceive of much worse they'd make the tar sands in Alberta. 90% of the fisheries would just be trawlers digging up seabeds. Plus the dizzying amount of toxic waste they're already legally dumping here and in Mexico?
Elbows up.
TonyOstrich 2 points a year ago
Vigilante groups tracking and disabling logging equipment?
HelixDab2 2 points a year ago
Fun fact: it doesn't take very much gasoline in a diesel engine to wreck the engine fast. Diesel fuel lubricates the cylinders, while gasoline will strip lubrication off. Rebuilding a diesel engine that's seized because there was no lubrication in the cylinders is a very expensive process. Diesel engines also rely on the compression of the air and fuel to ignite at the correct time, so a low-octane gasoline that was less resistant to pre-ignition in the compression cycle would cause severe engine knock that would also trash the engine.
So the moral of the story is, be very careful that you never put low-octane gasoline in you diesel engine, because you might end up needing to spend tens of thousands of dollars to replace the engine.
Empricorn 11 points a year ago
Those are our national Forests, they don't belong to fascist billionaires like Trump and Musk! Resist, fight back, and let's tell these Nazis they can't strip our environment, government, healthcare and democracy to give tax breaks to rich people...
StopTouchingYourPhone 10 points a year ago
March '23 Trump gave a soundbite for his billionaire bosses about building "Freedom Cities." Clear-cutting national forests, then signing an order that makes the area exempt from regulation? Sounds about right.
If they're coming for all federally governed land, indigenous reservations will be on the menu as well (always are).
Formfiller 9 points a year ago
🙏🏼✝️🔯☯️🕉️ Gods of the universe that ever existed real or fictional Please hear our prayers and please peacefully take this man home. His destruction is too much for the good people of earth to bear. Please consider taking Putin and Netanyahu too Than You. Amen
quid_pro_joe 4 points a year ago
God here (taking temporary control of a random human as I don't have a mobile device, or thumbs for that matter): I gave y'all free choice - and I'm not talkin' 'bout the vote. Turn off the telly and go start a revolution! (or join an existing rebellion, if you prefer) All my love, God(s)
Formfiller 2 points a year ago
I’m agnostic but I had to try.
FilthyHookerSpit 2 points a year ago
Vance would arguably be worse.
Formfiller 5 points a year ago
He doesn’t have the cult backing. I honestly think the cult would fracture
ArchmageAzor 9 points a year ago
A hundred years from now the planet will be in a pretty good shape, forests have been regrown and the seas will have been cleaned up and repopulated with fish, except for the US which is a giant hole. Not from bombs exploding, but from strip-mining the whole place for resources.
Gammelfisch 8 points a year ago
The USA will resemble Russia, China and Mordor.
Fidel_Cashflow 3 points a year ago
In the past decade, China has regrown more than 70 million hectares of forest cover. The country has benefited greatly from solutions in biodiversity conservation, sustainable usage and climate governance, resulting in wetland and forest restoration that also combats desertification. (link to a WEF article on China's reforestation efforts)
... it has made "remarkable strides" in tackling the issue, said Xinhua, beginning in 1978 with the launch of the "Great Green Wall of China". Expected to continue until 2050, the "biggest tree-planting project in human history" will ultimately have created "88 million acres of forests in a wall stretching about 3,000 miles and as wide as 900 miles in some places", (article from The Week regarding anti-desertification efforts)
In November 2024, China's government reported that after 46 years of work it had finished the 3,000-kilometer green belt around the Taklamakan Desert. The country's forest coverage grew from 10% of the overall territory in 1949 to 25% in 2024 (this one's a link to the Wikipedia page for the Great Green Wall initiative, if you're interested)
Mycatiskai 10 points a year ago
Probably all of them, start with half then charge more to open the second half.
Comment105 4 points a year ago
I can't find one, I'd like to see a map but I don't expect there is one.
SolidShake 6 points a year ago
this is so fucking retarded. it is going to take longer than his term to build fucking logging factories and its going to cost millions of dollars. plus you have to hire these people and drivers. and guess what? since it's "american" it will just cost more for some reason anyways like everything else "American made" does. what an actual joke for the sheep
Empricorn 16 points a year ago
I agree with everything you said... except the ableist slur. I have worked with special needs people and they can be some of the sweetest, most genuine, hardest-working people you'll meet! Please ditch the outdated term, we need to be better than that...
PeaceMint 0 points a year ago
I'd be interested to understand more about why you find this usage of the word "retarded" offensive. I sometimes use the word as a synonym for "stupid" or "idiotic", but would never use the term to refer to a person with a developmental disability. I'm curious if your experience is different. Do you feel the word should be eliminated from usage entirely?
Empricorn 1 point a year ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
And just in case you're asking in good faith, I don't "find" it offensive, it's a slur. I can't go up to my white friend, call him the n-word and say "I use it for someone who doesn't use turn signals." Words have meaning based on how society uses them collectively, not your individual opinion.
PeaceMint 2 points a year ago
I wasn't trying to troll you; I'm sorry it came across that way. I understood why it was disrespectful to use that word for people, but I didn't realize there was a problem with using it in general. Clearly I have more to learn here.
jagged_circle 5 points a year ago
Can you just find the article about this story that's not published in a corporate paper instead of posting this link?
It doesn't take long to find a better source
Deringaboo 23 points a year ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_spiking
This is my reccomendation to this news. Remember, put the spike atleast 9ft up, use a non-ferrous material so the detectors don't catch em, and wood glue the bark chunk back overtop.
Once they destroy more than one saw on randomly selected trees, the logging company recognizes the forest as non-viable due to high cost sawmill blade replacements.
Note: pretty sure this is a federal crime btw, so do with that information what you will
Agent641 9 points a year ago
Check out Burning Rage of a Dying Planet, And other books by Craig Rosebraugh and Leslie James Pickering, like the yearly global dispatches of the ELF to remind yourself what you absolutely should NOT do to disrupt logging, development and corporate greed.
Mirshe 2 points a year ago
For those who don't want to potentially kill people with flying saw blade pieces, look up the resistance to the Mountain Valley pipeline. It costs a TON to get this heavy equipment into position and build roads to get the felled trees OUT. Even just establishing a bunch of treesits (or supporting those treesits) in the areas where they're building roads or planning to log can be incredibly expensive and disruptive to the planned project - and hurt the profit line, which is all that matters.
jagged_circle 1 point a year ago
Ohhh, I always thought it was to break the saw that was cutting them down, not the mill.
jagged_circle 2 points a year ago
My best guess is they work for the paper. And we should ban them for advertising
KillingTimeItself 4 points a year ago
didn't he say it would be like 0.5% of all federal land, or something.
silence7 12 points a year ago
One difference between the fascists and the rest of us is that for us, words have meaning, while for the fascists, they're only a tool for manipulation when spoken to somebody they see as inferior.
KillingTimeItself 1 point a year ago
tbf he may have said that for housing, but yeah, this admin is excessively stupid. They haven't exactly demonstrated competency.
Butterpaderp 12 points a year ago
Safe to say, nothing's protected from this admin
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angrystego 44 points a year ago
That's bullshit. Protests need to start somewhere and gain momentum. Once they're big enough, they become hard to ignore. Then comes the hard part when those in power start to suppres the protests with force. If the protests continue despite this, they can gain much wider sympathy and can really change something. I have seen this several times with my own eyes, including one time when it meant a revolution.
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