Are there any Lemmy/Mbin instances by women for women?
a year ago by tfm to c/fediverse
unfortunately?
oh, I see.
I think there's also We are women on lemmy.ml and Women on lemmy.world?
lemmy.blahaj.zone has a decent amount of women and both their admins are women, it's not a "women's space" as one would describe since everyone is welcome there but it's probably the closest thing one would describe as an instance "by women for women". I am obligated to mention that it is a queer instance and that many of the women there are either trans themselves or strongly supportive of trans people, and do not tolerate transphobia or anti-LGBT sentiment (including refusal to support LGBTQ people) at all.
Good.
As much as I appreciate the community and users at Blahaj, in my personal experience, the moderation was fairly wanting. At least a year or two ago (not sure about now), they tolerated some pretty freakish right-wing people who enabled chasers and other weird shit on their communities.
They certainly do not seem very tolerant of that now, they very commonly ban people for thinly veiled homophobia and transphobia that would normally slide on other sites. They do not even seem mildly willing to tolerate the intolerant.
Like Finland if it were real.
Yeah Spinster is generally considered a hate site, and consequently is very widely defederated, even from general purpose instances like lemmy.world. Also it's less of a Reddit alternative and more of a Twitter alternative but is technically redundant since you can do everything you did on there on the real thing instead.
The admin behind it is also a man so its for (some) women by a man. Literally the opposite.
I thought that was mastodon. Do they have a lemmy instance as well?
Nope, just micro-blogging.
Thought it was blahaj.zone
Anyway, they dont have it AFAIK
Everyone Except Fascists and/or Tankies
I think that kind of goes without saying.
I wish
Lemmy has an undeniable woman problem that it carried over from Reddit. I've lost count of the number of pathetic blokes that I have blocked on here for anti feminism.
yep it's pretty horrible. any time gender issues are brought up there's dozens of comments saying "what about the men" and completely missing the point
The response to "what about men" comments is, we're already talking about men when we talk about misogyny. Misandry and misogyny are the exact same problem, strictly enforced gender roles. If you deviate, you are punished. The men that are caregivers are derided just like the women that refuse to rear children. Every other related paradigm punches down into the people who do not conform. Stoicism in men, histrionics in women.
Either is a foil for the other and it's exactly the same bullshit.
What about the me
As a guy, I do recognise that men are disadvantaged in many areas and need to be put on equal footing with women-- like courts disproportionately award custody of children to mothers, regardless of how unfit the mother is to be a caregiver. But broadly speaking from my pespective, women are still at more disadvantage. I used to live in a bad part of my city for many years and have had little to no issues. However, it is a different story from women I spoke who got harrased, and another hit on the head. They said they will avoid going to the city ever again. I remember sharing the accounts of these women to other men, and the men were surprised because their experience is the complete opposite. Women are still seen as weak. And in the corporate hierarchy, men (of tall statures) disproportionately make up the board of directors and executive roles.
The court thing is not universally true. I worked in a family law firm for several years, and the practice in the courts here is to start from a baseline of equal custody and placement, and I've heard the same about other states. The men who lost out were the ones who wouldn't fight, because they were convinced that the courts were biased. But hell, in one case, we got full custody and placement for a guy whose son wasn't even biologically his! (His wife cheated, and he didn't find out until well after they'd emotionally bonded.)
yep. the difference is, when women have been disadvantaged they tend to create spaces and pathways to talk about or change it. unfortunately a lot of men tend to isolate, even though they are not alone. then when they see something about a women receiving help through programs created by women for women their feelings of being abandoned by the system come up again. it's just another way that toxic masculinity hurts everyone. the fix for that is of course feminism, but it's a pretty massive barrier for most men to accept that.
Men don't always isolate by choice. There's a large cultural aversion to creating and sustaining male-only spaces, and that aversion comes from all sectors.
Every college campus has a women's club but if you try making a men's club you'll probably get reprimanded.
Man, I have been in SO MANY internet arguments where I am simultaneously arguing against a woman that yes, men have problems, while also arguing against a man that no, those problems are not worse on the whole than women have.
Back when the whole "bear in the woods" thing was going around misogynists would try to jump in and support me.
Woman: "all men are rapists"
Me: "that's insulting and hurtful and misandrist, and also not even close to true"
Misogynist: "Yeah! And also women are heartless bitches!"
Me: "I don't remember asking YOU a goddamn thing"
no one is saying all men are rapists. what they are saying is that the statistics are great enough that women have to be on edge around all men. I wish you would take the passion you have for arguing against a generalization and devote it towards making sure the men around you aren't part of the issue. I say that as a trans women who has seen the issue from both sides. I understand where you're coming from, truly, but having been socialized male I saw that every man has chances to change the people around them and 99.9% fail to do so.
EDIT: Look at the responses to this comment for the proof.
100%
It’s really bad and lemmy is really in denial.
Sexism here is much worse than it was on Reddit.
It feels like 2008 Reddit here sexism wise, except instead of Ron Paul libertarians tooting their horns everywhere we have heavy tracked vehicle enthusiasts.
I did hope lemmy having a left leaning culture would help but it does not.
Try making any post that focuses on situations uniquely or disproportionally experienced by women and you get mostly “everyone has that why think about women” or “what about men” or “men have it worst” responses.
you mean the comments that have been downvoted to the bottom?
But the fact that the majority (or perhaps less than half now) of the responses literally prove the point I am trying to make proves my point downvotes or not.
You have to remember the people who would literally unironically make such a post that proves my post are the densest of the dense.
Most sexists, while dense, are less dense than a black hole and would not prove my point for me under such a post.
Try making any post that focuses on situations uniquely or disproportionally experienced by women and you get mostly “what about men” or “men have it worst” responses.
that's kind of just how controversial things are on the internet though.
Evens shitposting from men will get similar responses from women, it's just how it is now. Sort of always has been.
THIS. EXACTY THIS RIGHT HERE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN.
Me: talks about issue disproportionately affecting women.
Lemmy User: It’s not really about women. Everyone suffers from this.
Lmao look at that douchebag's comment history. Its arguably worse that than comment itself. God I wish there was a male loneliness epidemic because these fuckers stopped talking.
yeah bro, it's the internet, everybody has opinions.
"yeah so actually i think this is a big problem"
"yeah evidently it must be a problem, but like, this has always been a problem, and seems to be a consistent problem"
"YOU'RE LITERALLY THE PROBLEM!!!!"
Lemmy User: It’s not really about women. Everyone suffers from this.
also to be clear, you are literally straw-manning me here, i'm not saying that "men have to suffer with women having an opinions" nobody cares, it is what it is, i think it's interesting actually. You're the one arguing that because people discuss topics that they find personally relevant is somehow "oppressing women"
I'm not saying you shouldn't shitpost about that stuff in shitpost threads, by all means do, there's interesting dialogue in it. I'm just saying this is a common occurrence anywhere on the internet, for any community. Hell go find a community for something as mundane as lego, you'll find the same shit there.
Not everybody NEEDS to have their own specific issue that specifically effects them for it to be a valid or real problem. I just think this issue is far broader than most people expect it to be, ironically, i could argue you're literally behaving the exact same way you claim i am. Because you are, and that's exactly what's happening.
Do i care? No, i don't it's the internet do whatever you want.
Yep. Picking the bear.
what if im the bear?
Niche? Bruh, they're half of the population lmao
Unfortunately it is niche right now in the fediverse based on the stats. That could change but probably requires a different approach to achieve.
I would guess that most women wouldn't feel the need to be on a woman-focused Lemmy instance for their main / only account. But, some might want an alt account to discuss certain things there.
While this won't be the case with everyone, it was mentioned a few times in a post I made here a long while back
I’m a woman, and make no attempt to hide that fact in my posts. That said, I also don’t personally have much interest in talking about being a woman, so don’t sub to any of those places you linked.
Over on Reddit I just sort of let people assume I was male a lot of the time, since it wasn’t really relevant to what we were talking about. But from the start on Lemmy I’ve made sure to call out incorrect assumptions, downvote and give a talking to people stereotyping or being misogynistic, etc etc. And the more of us (of all genders) that make that same decision, the better things get
That's pretty brave of you. It's a lot of work to fight people's assumptions, and I'm sure it results in harassment.
But, you're right that things will never change if women don't do that. It's a chicken and egg thing. Nobody wants to be the first to do it, because whoever's first gets harassed the most. But, if enough people do it, it won't be abnormal anymore.
Good luck, and thanks for trying to make women on the internet more normal.
Same reason womens magazines are more popular than mens magazines and womens subreddits and websites are more popular than mens.
Maybe one day we'll have full equality and it'll be weird to think of "women's spaces" as something that's necessary. But it's very much so today.
I don't believe they actively intended to exclude anyone, but there is/was Dull Men's Club, and I believe they've recently rebranded to "Dullsters".
Zero women have tried to make one so far regardless of how many would use a new instance. So it can't be all that in demand.
I think it naturally would occur if Lemmy grows in size. There's not many people here to begin with.
There's !WomensStuff@lazysoci.al we started a little over a month ago and recently hit 1000 members
this is a bit of how Blahaj works as I understand it, so it's a good model - if anything I would think Blahaj might already be poised for this kind of instance-level protection of women
EDIT:
one of the Blahaj guidelines does include removing bigotry, including sexism, and would be a candidate for a safe space for women:
Inclusion and Acceptance
Embracing inclusion and acceptance means listening when people tell you who they are and what their needs are. It means not telling people that you know their experiences better than they do. It means not gatekeeping experiences of identities of others. It means no bigotry such as racism, sexism, anti LGBT commentary, ableism etc. It means doing your best to ensure that you don’t over-talk the voices of folk who don’t share your privileges.
That said, the women spaces on Blahaj are mostly for trans women, so a more general women's community would be nice.
Lemmy needs block lists users can subscribe to like they can on BlueSky, it would make a huge difference imo.
Youre absolutely welcome to join Blahaj zone. Our wonderful administration team (both of whom are women) bans misogyny whenever it comes around to our communities. The mods for our main communities share a very aggressive moderation policy.
They also ban real users instead of the people literally calling their gender "dragonfucker" and "attack helicopter"
There were a bunch of users who got angry about these users mocking gender expression and then when they told the trolls to fucking stop Ada banned them
The blahaj admins are trolls
I give Ada a lot of credit. In the early days, I had the following interaction:
TOPIC: Something about sexual/gender preferences, I don't remember, asking people their preferences
Me: responds with my preferences (I'm straight cis male, I like women so I'm down with post-transition trans women but pre-transition don't turn me on)
Some random user: respectfully asks if I would be willing to date a pre-transition trans man
Me: I guess, but it probably wouldn't work due to the fact that what I like about their body, they hate
Some of those professionally offended people took a misleading screenshot of my response and started screaming about "chasers".
Ada did an admin post to the community backing me up and calling those idiots out.
So unless she's changed a lot, I don't think she's a troll. It would have been easy to go with the mob but she stuck up for me.
Still could be TERFS.
I don't have any deeper knowledge of that instance, just what I saw in all, so I don't want to put anything on them. That thought just came across reading your comment.
I have made a mental remark in the past that the posts and users on this instance are better treated from afar, though.
It's pretty harsh to just casually suggest that a person be a TERF without any specific evidence.
They also turn a blind eye to misandry.
You are part of the reason lemmy is unpopular with women.
i dont understand, please explain further. if blahaj mods have ignored misandry, that would be a bad thing. hate is generally regarded as bad, and misandry is hatred of men. therefore, misandry should be generally regarded as bad.
If women have to be misandristic, then I'm quite happy to exclude bigots
They imply the fucker part themselves, it's part of their troll
They are a troll and you are enabling them to harrass your community.
“dragonfucker” and “attack helicopter”
i mean, if they're doing it as a haha funny, i see no harm, but if they're also being assholes, i think that takes precedent. You aren't legally required to fill in your gender tagging appropriately so.
They are an asshole though, a serial pot stirring drama seeking troll that gets people banned for reacting to their ragebait. Yeah I identify as a refurbished ebike and you must relearn English to refer to me, and you only rather not because you agree with literal genocide. Funny!
lmao good meme, sounds like a mess ngl.
I haven't seen the attack helicopter and the joke is pretty damn old tbh, but drag at least is/was kinda funny. Drag's profile specified that drag's pronoun is "drag" in not just third, but also first and second person, which is an interesting concept. Drag also stayed in character in drag's posts. Drag didn't ever really bother people with the whole thing IMO.
yeah, it's a dead beat joke, it's come around to the point now where you can do it ironically and nobody cares. Though i guess you could still just be an asshole at that point lmao.
also our wonderful admin kaity did what the lemmy devs couldn't and nuked the dm spam :)
It really seems like instance admins tend to do a much better job with a lot of stuff on here than the core devs. Its a shame that forking would take as much work as it would.
well some of the devs are too busy arguing over which authoritarian boot tastes the best, all under the guide of leftism, so yeah I imagine the bar isn't exactly high
I definitely cannot agree. I encourage anyone who has any issues with moderation to make a post in the Blahaj meta community. Ada and Kaity have been spectacular and have responded to every issue I have come across. There are limits, they can't preemptively prevent any kind of moderation issue but they respond quickly.
Probably the ... fourth-worst well known instance. Idk if that's a good suggestion.
Most of the fediverse is male, and there's a significant trans woman space, but there's no spaces that really cater to cis women or to trans men specifically that I've seen.
And yes, I think it's reasonable to look for a space that is strongly (though not exclusively) cis-woman, in the same way that a Protestant would feel out of place in a Catholic community, even though they're all Christian. I imagine most cis women feel the same way as I (a cis man) feel when going to blahaj - like a friendly, allied visitor in a foreign land.
I can’t think of a single online space ever that has catered to trans men. It’s always infinitely easier to just act like a cis dude 99% of the time.
I guess there is Hudson’s Guide lol.
We have !WomensStuff@lazysoci.al
its kinda sad how one of the biggest women’s community on the lemmy/mbin side of fedi is !femcelmemes@lemmy.blahaj.zone…
i mean, it’s a great community, but yea.
every femcel community gets invaded by guys at some point. see: r/letgirlshavefun and r/femcelgrippysockjail. theres one that went private and thats keeping out the men really well (and is the only community im still on reddit for)
Well maybe if girls weren't weird and trying to make shaving fun they wou
I don't know how to finish this joke I'm tired. Finish it for me i give quest xp
I don't know any of them and would not even recognize their usernames. Just be real, there can't be that many women, it's just not consistent with Lemmy's userbase. To me that sub draws more attention from men who view it as a fantasy. Read the comments and the posts, many of them don't seem legitimate
i can assure you that the majority of regular posters on femcelmemes are in fact women, and many of the regular commenters as well. this is in part because of the wonderful dedicated group of posters who keep the vibe immaculate, and if it werent for femcelmemes, myself, and many other women would be much less active on lemmy.
reddit has /r/TwoXChromosomes which is one of my favorite subs. It's a general womens subreddit, and though it obviously leans feminist it's not its main purpose. It welcomes all genders, but remains a womens space.
The fediverse could really use that energy.
Don't worry you have nothing to get from people identifying as "witches"
While I do agree with what you're saying, I actually think a "by women for women" instance has a slightly different impact than a "by women for women" community. There are definitely pros and cons for both, though
We used to have an equivalent on our instance, but it was constantly flooded with reply-bros and trans people complaining about the name, so we archived it as no women was willing to moderate it (for understandable reasons).
I wondered if they made the jump over here. Guess not, sadly. Reading that sub has made me a better man, because it offers some pretty harsh critiques of male behavior.
beehaw.org aspire to be nice, friendly diverse and safe. But they're more towards nice, not women. And we have lemmy.blahaj.zone for queer folks. To my knowledge, there isn't a place aimed towards women. Maybe heehaw is the closest... Still not really a fit.
You could go ahead and also ask in some of the women communities, see how they get along here on the Fediverse.
Beehaw.org is nice, Heehaw.org is the closest, Hoohaw.org is the promised land
The comments here make me very disappointed in our little corner of the internet. If anyone wants this but doesn’t know how, neither do I but I’d be happy help.
I am disappointed but not surprised. The attitude of men here reminds me a lot of default subs in Reddit. People tend to be more civil, but there is so much "but what about men?" when talking about women's issues or belittling women still. Business as usual on the Internet, but I can see why it would cause women to avoid Lemmy.
I haven't been back to Reddit, but it makes me miss the small niches where I didn't see that as often.
womans only spaces (popping up because of male dominated spaces) do lead to male only spaces but who cares, ppl that want to be in those spaces can stay there idrc, they dont want my input I dont want theirs
Yeah, it's natural to have spaces that aren't for me. It's fine. I really just have an issue with spaces where I am supposedly welcome to be hostile towards me.
i wonder if it's not just worse on lemmy, but gotten worse over time, with the manosphere shit and all it's relevant problems, neither feminism nor the manosphere, or traditional male gender role has really addressed this issue comprehensively, and we're starting to see pushback from this issue in real life now, men are enrolling into college less than women, they do worse in most environments, and also are generally worse when it comes to mental health.
I wonder if we just need like a dedicated "social issues space" where people can talk about this stuff.
I mean there's like 3 women on lemmy, and 2 of em are trans. I don't think there really ARE any gender relations here.
Call it out when you see it. Keep the bar nazi free.
There's !WomensStuff@lazysoci.al
Is also very very queer tho JSYK
That could be our new Lemmy slogan.
I don't think we can equate "queer space" with "women's space".
Don't call them a troll or Ada will ban you like she did me and half of 196
Nah I'm demanding clarity. A clear question "Do you mean excluding TERFs or excluding women" and the answer is "I want to be inclusive". It may not be meant as such, and I'm definitely not implying that it was, but that's exactly how a TERF would evade questioning.
A clear "Fuck TERFs" would have provided plenty of clarity, and been much shorter. Also, it would have said "Fuck TERFs".
There's a couple of them, I think.
I found this one:
https://lemmy.ca/c/witchesvspatriarchy
Edit: Better link:
Thanks!
instance friendly link for those on other instances :)
Thanks!
Honestly chuckled a bit after checking out the front page and pretty much all posts were about.. men
But that (making fun of men) might just be the idea behind that subreddit and I'm looking at it wrong
EDIT: I dun goofed
Probably the "vs patriarchy" part
Mod of that community here! Please come join the coven, we're always welcoming like-minded people!
This idea is pretty cool, i hope they will succeed to achieve that. Imo, we lack diversity on the forumverse except maybe mastodon.
It would provide an additional security layer, another governance. They could also benefit a lot from local community and can check vote, email, ip...Other have already mentionned good example with blahaj, beehaw...
On the other hand, it will render the instance more visible.
On my main instance, jlai.lu, i think we don't manage well sexist speech. They are moderated, we do our best to explain to our users what's wrong and slowly change them but we don't have the same sensibility as women.
Men explaining women...So we probably missed lot things.
An instance can be a community in the general sense of the word.
Local feed is one of the best parts of Lemmy conceptually and a very clear indicator that the intended behaviour for users is to sign up to smaller insurances related to their location or otherwise significant individual interests.
It would only work if I don't subscribe to any other instances. That's a bad tradeoff.
The fediverse needs a tool to surf other instances local feed cause that's a common issue for both the threadiverse and twittoverse. Soon, we may have enough theme-oriented PixelFed instances for them to have the same issue. I believe PieFed multicommunity feeds to be the best way to tackle it so far but that's not even a good solution.
You really don't see the benefit to a group of similar people to have a space focused on them, their wants and needs and daily lives? A community of people like them? It's one of the most fundamental human desires.
with enough admin and moderation you could circle jerk your way into a "woman positive" or "woman friendly space" which would be the idea.
Lemmy,blahaj,zone is run by Ada, who is a woman
I wish I could recommend blahaj, there are a lot of trolls in the space that the admins have successfully been guilted into supporting.
And what's the insinuation here, given that being told the instance admin is a woman your response was "That explains a lot"
Speaking in general: Creating communities/instances is easy. Moderating them is hard.
In particular: I would love to create women's spaces. But then I'd have to be on the lookout for the Knights of the True Fedora. They're out there. Somewhere. Now now, I'm not suggesting it'd be a daily problem! ...But the actual daily problems (regular spam and whatnot) would suck too.
I'm in charge of !WomensStuff@lazysoci.al I've got to say the vast majority of men have been fantastically supportive! Odd comment and spite downvote but it's manageable
Both of them
My apologies as I didnt intend to
Community wise we have !WomensStuff@lazysoci.al its a women only community by women for women.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
It really comes down to this: if you want your own space for particular interests, you should create one and find likeminded people to populate it. Just waiting for it to magically appear isn’t going to work. Be assertive.
Blahaj.zone is an instance aimed at queer people, but it doesn't have to prevent non-queer people from participating. I would imagine an instance aimed at women to be similar.
Just make it obvious that it's meant for women and most men will exclude themselves
It works at bars, play music made by women and the Nazis will find another place to sieg heil each other without even being to be told
There is no resonable way to do that.
The only way I could see it being done while perserving some kind of anonymity would be to have a defederated instance, where members are invite-only, where members can invite their friends to join, there by verifying that there are no men joining.
Unfortunately, there is no good way of verifying the gender of a person that you don't meet outside of a forum.
I’ve mentioned this before in other threads that seek a women-centric Lemmy option, but there was at least one secret community on Reddit like that. Invitees’ post histories were vetted before an invite was sent, both to find women specifically, but also to prevent trolls.
I don’t know exactly how they did it, all I know is that I got an invite one day and found the most open, comforting community I’d ever seen online. It was a place where we could talk about anything from silly stories that made us smile, to complaining about specific issues with bras, all without fear of trolls hijacking the thread, or turning an ordinary thing for us into something sexual.
I miss it.
Sounds fantastic, I hope that you can find a community like that again.
Vetting the post history is probably the only realistic way of doing it, it is time consuming, I am sad that it is needed, but if that is what it it takes it is at least doable.
I wish you and all women online good luck in finding a community like that, everyone needs a good community to enjoy!
ban the rowdy ones lmao
I'm on .ml, but I don't engage in any Marxist-Leninist communities. So it doesn't really matter on what instance you're on.
The femcel channel need more people if you like that type of humor
TW: crude and insensitive joke (hopefully the spoiler tag works lol)
ETA: lemme know if you need this taken down. Sometimes the intrusive thoughts win
!It's funny, blahaj.zone is full of pussies, and .ml is full of cunts, and yet there's no dedicated space for women!<
spoiler tag didnt appear to work, but this indeed is very stupid and funny.
i almost never delete things i post on the internet, i'm a firm believer in sillyposting because the nothing is sacred.
IDK, call it a character badge or whatever you want. It's just how i am.
Can somebody explain to me a thing about anti-feminism: as a 99.5% cishet standard regular manly man man, even from an extremely cold, selfish, objective, all-for-me approach I cannot understand what I stand to gain by this. What's the point?
Nothing. The only people that gain anything from strict gender roles are the rich, and they use them to create disparities and depress wages.
You are right, but a lot of people want to avoid politics.
unless you have an external opinion, in which case they fucking lynch you.
that external opinion is usually either bigotry or supporting US empire from my experience. Other Lemmy spaces are just as likely to ban for wrongthink ie: not being pro genocide or whatever war libs are supporting this time.
i've never seen a pro genocide lemmy instance, everytime i've argued against it i've been banned or moderated on, granted my instance isn't pro genocide, so there's that. But that seems to be a regular occurrence on lemmy in my experience.
I posted one thing on the one hexbear thread people used and immediately got banned lmao, what a terrible instance. I just ended up blocking the whole thing because why even bother at that point.
If they're tired of getting hit on or oppressed all the time then the communities for women on Lemmy might not be an upgrade. /joke
Look man, from a technical language point of view there is nothing whatsoever wrong with calling people 'females'. However, by speaking to such people face-to-face you quickly learn that basically not one likes to be called that. The reasons are subtle, and frankly not very important. But the fact remains that calling people 'females' is now seen as a sign that you don't understand or respect them - on the grounds that you are using a phrase that you've been asked not to use. Just say 'women' instead.
You’ve gotten banned from four instances already for misogyny. I wonder how long before your own instance bans you.
Why did I get banned I wonder ? yes because I questioned them asked for evidence & they provided none
I linked my evidences & they were evading questions.
BTW, I blocked those instances as well. The real question you should ask is how long until your echo-chamber fades into obscurity.
Didn't you mock ModLogs ?😂
bar yourself?
Lemmy is aimed at pleasing all of humanity.
Asking for a women-centric flavor of any site is parallel to asking for a version with less men. If you're implying there is a difference to the interests of both, I'd love to show you the Grey's Anatomy sub.
i mean, i don't see anything necessarily wrong with it though.
It's like making a linux specific lemmy instance, or an anarchist focused lemmy instance (the one im on)
it might go against the principles of lemmy, but there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
I think there are differences in the interests of both. Can you explain your argument here, without super obscure references?
We just shouldn't consider either gender's interests as stereotypes. Also, if a community becomes one or the other "centric", then on some level, it's exclusionary.
I haven't written anything about excluding other genders. It's only about a women centric place with additional moderation protection and administration and moderation by women (and yes, these can also be trans women or even men admins and mods if the group decides so).
But why excluding men or anybody else from participating, as long as they stay on topic?
Division is made when you divide the people.
Having a space for women by women isn't division. It's about creating a safe space.
Just in general already against the massive structural issues with Lemmy
What structural issues?
It is a group of people who like to constantly divide
Isn't this normal human behavior? Still doesn't mean that people are enemies because of splitting into different groups.
It's the sexist comments, boomer humor, male-centric views, the mansplaining, the chauvinism, the micro-aggressions, lack of empathy from a lack of perspective, the oversimplification without nuance, etc. All that generally makes women uncomfortable and sometimes it's a bit much. Sometimes you want to forget those exist and focus on what matters to you with like-minded people.
It's the same for us gay folks. I know I can't just bring up whatever gay topic in a straight group where not everyone can relate, offer their first hand experience, or might find it weird because it's not part of their lives.
Trying to concentrate similar people to discuss common topics is, at the very worst, a constructive division.
There’s a Midwest focused instance and I wouldn’t call that division. They’re not trying to exclude East and west coasters. They don’t hate southerners. It’s just similar people gathering to talk about the things they have in common, which in this instance are midwesterner things. It’s the same for women. It’d be nice to have a place to talk about things that women have in common and experience that men don’t. If it was anything like the 2XChromosomes subreddit then men wouldn’t be banned, and plenty of men comment, it’s just that the topic of conversation focuses on women and women’s experiences. Having a place for people, especially women, to talk about women’s issues and experiences isn’t anymore divisive than having a midwestern instance or a European instance. And it would be a good place for men to look into to learn more about what life is like as a woman. If men feel they don’t have a place to talk about men’s problems, then they should also make an instance specifically for talking about men’s experiences
it's called pinterest
Edit:
PS: Ok so it looks like people here are just as bad as redditors. I was answering the question in the Reddit caption of this post. Pinterest has been known to be an alternative to Reddit (as a link aggregator) which attracts women a lot more than men.
This is a KNOWN thing, check this 10 year old article from the people managing Pinterest stating as much
Of course women are welcome here, there is no question about it. Does it matter if there is an instance for women? I don't even know, I know women who love stereotypical male stuff and vice versa. I assume anyone, male, female or anything in the spectrum, can browse around and collate their favorite subs
Not funny, not ok. Women are just as welcome here as anyone else and your comment is exactly why they are asking. “It’s a joke” - nope don’t even. Be better than this.
it wasn't a joke
pinterest is an link aggregator just like reddit and geared towards women
of course women are welcomed here, no clue how you get otherwise from my comment
Yes, I have. And the differences that you allude to are a huge part why women find it attractive, more so than men.
Pinterest itself have publicly stated this was not necessarily intentional and they wanted to bring more men to the platform.
Your comment can be read in multiple ways
"It's called pinterest. Go there instead. This site is not for you."
or
"It's called pinterest. This thing you are interested in already kind of exists. Just thought I would let you know."
The people downvoting had the first interpretation, I assume.
Honestly, I really cannot stop people from making up things I did not write and tagging them along in their heads.
I was answering the question in the picture of this post:
Do you know any Reddit alternatives aimed towards Women?
The way I worded it "it's called Pinterest" came from me thinking this was a well known thing which apparently is not for many lemmy users.
Check this article which is 10 years old, where Pinterest representatives acknowledge this demographic divide and want to correct it
You’re the joke, got it, moving on.
I don’t agree in this particular instance, but in general I think you’re right - all this shit is really getting to me. And I always appreciate a good call out. Going to touch some grass, hope everyone has a great day ✌️
i don't go to bars or anything, so i guess everyone is a man?
You don’t know what a woman is? Or is this some kind of attempt at trolling?
I think maybe it would have been clearer to just ask this question directly and openly. The way you phrased it is the way a lot of bigots do to try to start trouble.
No one would understand this is what you intended if you use a transphobic dogwhistle for that.
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