Now I'm reading his entire post as Mario
That post seems to be missing.
Iheartcheese 31 points a year ago
ApathyTree 26 points a year ago
I feel like the solution to this is more Luigi, tbh.
People would be less selfish if they didn’t feel so hopeless.
edgemaster72 176 points a year ago
At least for once one of them actually seems to regret their vote. Fuck her anyway though, they only care when it personally affects them directly. You voted for this to happen to everyone else, turns out that includes you and your family too, so:
tamman2000 7 points a year ago
It's really sad that we practically have to forgive them if we want to progress as a society. Because I agree with your sentiment...
But
We can't exterminate them. They are gonna live here on the other side of this, whatever that looks like. Those who have a genuine change and see not just that trump was wrong, but that they were either wrong or very very gullible should be forgiven and accepted as allies. We're gonna need all the people we can get on our side through what's coming.
"We tried to warn you. Welcome to the resistance."
bradorsomething 4 points a year ago
Scrolled down 2 pages to find and upvote this.
PorradaVFR 118 points a year ago
We needed that 8 months ago when you knowingly voted against it.
Now YOU want it.
Enjoy those tears, you earned them.
MoreZombies 31 points a year ago
At the same time, extending that hand is what will help. If a person is able to go "omg NOW I get it" and then the door is shut in their face, that will foster even more resentment.
Some people wont change, but those that are willing should be accepted.
JoeBigelow 39 points a year ago
Ugh but they suck so bad...
Jokes aside, how can we trust people that have already displayed such selfishness? How can we trust they won't continue to work against the group interest the second their goal is no longer aligned with ours?
grrgyle 25 points a year ago
Maybe we need to start treating lack of empathy like more of an intellectual / educational problem, rather than a moral failing in like your "soul"? If only just so we can forgive people enough to actually work with them.
I'm spitballin, but I can work with ignorance or even feeblemindedness - you just focus on education or harm reduction. Like maybe they'll never never be able to see outgroups as fully human, but with the right kind of external validations and incentives, maybe they could simulate it.
bizarroland 9 points a year ago
I don't know. My sister is a psychopath. She cannot understand the feelings of the other people around her, no matter how clearly or explicitly or adamantly they are explained to her.
We have a lot of psychopaths out there running the government and in positions of power and in positions of authority and serving as megaphones for their interests.
No amount of explaining empathy or extending hands or teaching will ever get through to these people.
They are fundamentally broken in a way that cannot be fixed.
idiomaddict 7 points a year ago
It does really seem like a societal issue. We incentivize this behavior, so it shouldn’t be surprising when people display it.
thedirtyknapkin 4 points a year ago
that's basically the approach that all of popular culture had been taking since like 2008. like that was the attitude of the last 20 years. show these bigots that if they at least pretend to play nice we can all get along and be more prosperous for it.
they hated it. it's the "woke mind virus" to them now. I genuinely don't believe people like this will ever be ok in a kind and accepting world. I also don't think that trying to get rid of them will solve this problem... i don't know if there is a solution to some people being mentally incapable of empathy, but it certainly doesn't help that it's so baked into our culture now.
capitalism is highly compatible with a lack of empathy. it's a system that inherently promotes those with no scruples. the less you feel bad about being a piece of shit for money, the more money you'll be able to make. it's a predatory system where those most willing and able to cannibalize everyone and everything around them for personal gain will gain the most. those that gain the most are then also in a position to manipulate both political votes and public opinion. they blatantly bribe our politicians and they own our media platforms. this is especially problematic on social media. if you were a young American on tiktok in the last u.s. election you probably saw numerous vague tiktoks about kamala starting WWIII. no quotes, no context, just "me and the boys after kamala starts wwiii" type shit. as I understand it nearly every major election around the world since then has seen tiktok flooded with "memes" like that supporting the right wing candidate. we're certainly not going to make any progress on this issue while that's the world we live in.
maybe a stable enough government with keen enough regulations can at least try to keep these people from completely raiding the hen house. we'll have to see how things play out with Germany and the afd ban, but I'm not too hopeful on that playing out well in our current situation.
IDK, I'm half convinced that humanity is eternally doomed to repeat the same mistakes. with long periods of everything sucking because too few have or want too great a percentage of what humanity has claimed their own and the occasional period where things are accidentally not that bad.
we are currently leaving one of those brief periods of "not that bad"
Bytemeister 13 points a year ago
This fully grown legal adult didn't have self awareness 8 months ago, I doubt they're going to suddenly develop it. If you are nice or sympathetic to them, you just reinforce their beliefs that they are the victim and everyone should care about them the most.
I'm sympathetic to her father. She can kick rocks. I have no sympathy for her.
egerlach 1 point a year ago
The right wing is using propaganda tactics that are known to brainwash and dupe many people, and you're not going to treat those who got brainwashed and duped like victims too? Yes, they're adults, and that means that they have to take responsibility for their vote. Once they do, admit they were conned, and express willingness to join the fight, it's important we accept them with open arms so they know our side is better than the other side.
As long as they're doubling down on fascism? Hard agree, they can kick rocks. Once they see what's really going on and are willing to fight it? Welcome to the team, sorry about what happened to your dad, let's see if we can get him back.
Every person like this is an opportunity to gain an ally. It's an opportunity to find out if this person was conned or is selfish. We lose that opportunity if we mock them instead of offering a hand in solidarity.
Bytemeister 9 points a year ago
The right wing is using propaganda tactics that are known to brainwash and dupe many people...
No one is forcing people to consume that content. It's weak propaganda at best, easily seen through, and there is no shortage of well-sourced refutations of their lies. Have you tried talking to any trump supporters? When given direct evidence that they are wrong, and have been mislead by right wing media, they simply double down.
... you’re not going to treat those who got brainwashed and duped like victims too.
Absolutely not. They are not children who are sharing the opinions of their parents, they are full-grown voting adults in a society where all of human knowledge is available in their fucking pockets. I can understand making the trump mistake once in 2016, but at this point, he has a proven track record of racist, authoritarian and incompetent management of the country.
PorradaVFR 5 points a year ago
In the absense of four prior years and quite specific intentions stated clearly of enacting these very policies I'd agree with you. The only revelation here is them finding the scorpion would sting them like they said they would. I've no compassion left for those that gleefully voted for this cruelty and were deliberately ignorant that they too were targets.
some_guy 85 points a year ago
"All his plans were public but I refused to review them. I thought Project 2025 was a joke because I only subscribe to rightwing media."
I'm upset that people are being harmed. I'm not upset that you feel betrayed.
pleasegoaway 15 points a year ago
Empathy for me, not for thee.
technocrit 10 points a year ago
This entire comm is about having no empathy.
LucidNightmare 70 points a year ago
No. We said the same thing for the last 8 years, and people like you thumbed your nose at us like little children. Consequences of your actions.
breecher 38 points a year ago
Sure, and they enjoyed participating in the hateful rhetoric and the discrimination of the outgroup that entire time, made them feel superior, until they found out they were part of the outgroup themselves.
aceshigh 7 points a year ago
It’s interesting that they’re still unable to see the connection between minority groups. For MAGA there is no difference between trans, Muslim, immigrant. They use the racism minority groups have against each other… and that’s how we got here today.
DarkFuture 32 points a year ago
That's fair.
But it's also fair to call them what they are. Fucking idiots.
All the knowledge in the world is at everyone's fingertips now. It's a choice to be stupid as hell.
I got a typical public education. I'm not dumb enough to vote for Republicans.
Stabbitha 5 points a year ago
I said this exact same thing a couple weeks ago when someone was whining about "working class solidarity". "Oh boo hoo they were conned and manipulated" How come I can consume the exact same media as them and see through the bullshit? I'm really supposed to feel sorry for them? We've been telling them for decades they're being lied to; they enjoy it.
NotMyOldRedditName 5 points a year ago
I think the point of propaganda is that it works, so they don't realize they're stupid and need to look elsewhere.
They shove it down their throats that the other sources are all lies so they think they're being smart, and it's been happening their entire lives.
So while they're idiots, I'm not sure how much of a choice it is for a lot of them. They were manufactured that way.
tiny_iota 6 points a year ago
The point they have with the propaganda is they hate people. "Ban all muslims" followed by a cheering crowd "build a wall" followed by cheering people. "I didnt lose the election they cheated--get them!" followed by a mob of thugs assaulting cops.
Its really not that nuanced. They just hate people. That's all their is to it. If they don't have hate in their hearts they wouldn't vote for trump. He's not even good for the economy for anyone who pays attention.
AlexLost 3 points a year ago
You need to have some intelligence to know how dumb you really are. The real criminals are the churches who back the grift thinking it will unleash some Christian utopia instead of the feudal system we left way back in the past when we decided Kings have got to go.
finitebanjo 15 points a year ago
If this were the first time Trump was president, then fine, but it fucking ain't.
Jax 15 points a year ago
I think that there's been more than enough time for these people to look into the man they're supporting, definitely more than enough to sift through 'fake news'.
See how that seems completely fucking unrealistic to expect from any MAGAt? Lies and propaganda work because the people absorbing it are actually too stupid to determine the truth and need someone to think for them.
Bongles 3 points a year ago
They probably think they are getting the truth so they don't think they need to look any further into it.
I have seen enough that I know I don't like and I don't agree in general with JD Vance, for instance, so I'm not going out to find redeeming qualities about him. I'm also not really watching things from him or trump for that matter. But, my brother who ended up going the opposite way of me politically, said the other day that Vance is "down to earth" and will likely go for president after trump. I see clips all the time of him speaking that show me he's not down to earth, but I'm also not seeing clips of him tailored to show me that it is true.
I can imagine that if you're only being fed the positive narratives of your side and only negative things about the "other" side you're likely to think you already know what's going on. We also know that both media and the almighty algorithms (like YouTube) will send you down these rabbit holes in the interest of views. If i don't search, most of what I get about Vance from algorithm based social media are the memes with his distorted face. If that's all you see, you're probably coming away with the impression that this guy is a joke. So if you tell me he's competent and down to earth, my initial reaction is that's nonsense. Is he? Maybe. It's not what I see and I've felt no need to look for it.
I have always been a nerd on the internet, so i have always been on these kinds of sites like Lemmy, reddit, imgur, old forums, where I can talk to people from all over the world. They have their echo chambers and little bubbles but it's still a more diverse group of opinions than what you're fed on sites like Facebook. But the usage on these sites is much lower, most people are not here. They're either not using social media at all, or they're on Facebook, tiktok, whatever. They're only seeing the cropped images, edited clips, news that caters to what they want to believe. If everything's telling you one thing, including things your friends and family are sharing online, why would you question it.
Jax 3 points a year ago
I understand the reality of what you're saying.
However, and this will seem harsh, it is stupid not to question the things you're being told. It takes a stupid person to allow themselves to be convinced to vote against their basic interests for the low, low, price of getting to be racist. It doesn't matter if your entire world tells you otherwise.
DarkSurferZA 6 points a year ago
Did someone try to mislead them? Yes. Are they idiots for believing them? Also yes. Did they turn a blind eye when it was happening to other people? Yes. Are they sad now that it affects them? Oh yes. Am I sad that they are seeing the consequences of their actions? Hell no.
Other people have been paying for their stupidity for too long. About time they do some "finding out" given how they've been all too happy to do some "fucking around"
electricyarn 58 points a year ago
She's right about the unity. I know there is some schadenfreud here, but at the end of the day if Trump voyers want to change their minds it's a good thing.
MashedHobbits 81 points a year ago
Do they want to change their mind, or are they upset it affected them?
Don’t mistake short term anger for long term change. These people aren’t going to reevaluate their positions in life.
harrys_balzac 68 points a year ago
Finally, one that says they wish they made a different choice. Unfortunately, if this didn't happen to someone close to her, she would probably still be for this.
MrFappy 6 points a year ago
Every vote who vocalizes their regret is another nut for me. Every tear these morons spill, and every shudder of breath they experience as they sob is the same. If their media spun trump’s message in a certain direction, then it is ABSOLUTELY their fault for not inquiring more. The man ran on a fucking border wall to keep out immigrants last election. Why on earth would they not expect to be included in these violations of human rights? This will sound excessively harsh, but I hope she gets notice of her father’s passing on some sort of live stream, because viewing those tears live would be pure bliss on my end. Have the day you voted for has acquired a whole new meaning in her world.
Swedneck 1 point a year ago
except it fundamentally makes no fucking sense, deporting criminals isn't good, it's saying "Hey we don't want to make sure these people can't hurt others, you have them!"
them thinking trump only wanted to deport criminals doesn't make it better, it just makes it bad in a different way.
FistingEnthusiast 27 points a year ago
They'll vote the same way at the first opportunity
They'll perform some shitty mental gymnastics to justify it, but they'll do it
aramis87 13 points a year ago
They don't disapprove of the deportation efforts (or the tariffs, or anything else), they just think he's "going about it the wrong way". Which means they'll happily vote for the next Republican promising the same things, figuring "this time'll be different".
FistingEnthusiast 7 points a year ago
They only think it's the "wrong way" when they're affected
Anyone who votes for any conservative does so because they want certain groups to be hurt
It's shitty behaviour
WanderingThoughts 14 points a year ago
The percentage that would vote differently is single digit. 2% from the polls. They're not regretting much.
barneypiccolo 48 points a year ago
This is so unnecessary. All she has to do is quit being such a cheapskate, and buy a pardon for a few million bucks. It's really as simple as that. For $5 million he can even have a special gold HitlerPig citizenship card.
macaw_dean_settle 34 points a year ago
Morons, they are morons.
hraegsvelmir 28 points a year ago
I wouldn't rule that out, but I also wouldn't jump straight to that conclusion. Spanish news media in this country is beyond screwed, it skews even more right-wing as a rule than English mainstream media, in my opinion. During the 2020 election, I would watch the news on Univision with my mother-in-law sometimes, and would see them just not translate something a democrat said in English that didn't fit their agenda, misrepresent what they said in the translation, or selectively omit things they said to make their remarks sound much more sinister and authoritarian than what they actually said. They were also constantly pushing right-wing conspiracies that had been debunked weeks or months prior, with no mention of their having been disproven.
I would constantly have my mother-in-law coming to me asking about these old ass conspiracies, because with her only knowing Spanish, that would be the first time she heard of them, and she was shocked we weren't freaking out about it.
More leaning to the morons side, despite how Fox likes to portray immigrants as a monolithic group of rabid socialist and commies backing the Dems so they can destroy the constitution and get gulags up and running, a lot of immigrants from Latin America, Africa and the Caribbean have been fairly conservative, in my experience. A lot of them grew up heavily propagandized by right wing regimes in their home countries, many are much more religious than your average American by birth, and others have had negative experiences with nominally left-wing regimes in their home country that they can't get over. The last one can be kind of understandable, but the other two drive me crazy.
sqgl 6 points a year ago
My parents escaped Communist Yugoslavia to Australia. Even I started off right wing until about age 30. Therein I voted Greens (not like the dodgy US Greens BTW) and after a while convinced my parents too.
I am still aware of how the extreme left can become authoritarian as happened in Yugoslavia. Tankies are oblivious. Need to be vigilant whichever party you side with.
Swedneck 2 points a year ago
i take issue with calling tankies left, them saying they're leftists doesn't make it true. "nazi" comes from "national socialist", but that's obviously not what they actually were.
conditional_soup 5 points a year ago
Seems like we need some left leaning Spanish outlets
conditional_soup 25 points a year ago
I read somewhere that none of Trump's talk of mass, indiscriminate deportation was translated, like in their Spanish language ads. All of the Spanish language ads were supposedly geared towards "nooooo lmao we're only going to deport violent criminals and drug lords!"
Sir_Premiumhengst 2 points a year ago
Hmpf; propa mother fucking ganda style.
/ed:your comment is actually really insightful.
fodor 9 points a year ago
They're lying. They weren't tricked. Trump openly and repeatedly showed how he felt about immigrants of all kinds. Everyone knew it, everyone knows it, everyone will always know it.
What actually happened is that these people decided to focus on other things. They told themselves a story about how bad the Democrats are, perhaps, which isn't that hard because there are so many dirty politicians in Washington.
Also, even immigrants can be racist. It's easy enough for someone to think that the other group of "bad" minorities will be targeted, not their own, because they too want someone to spit on. The same thing is true for many poor white MAGA voters too, right? Trump's policies are devastating for rural America, but if you'd rather have hate than healthcare, you're getting what you voted for.
supersquirrel 5 points a year ago
They're lying. They weren't tricked. Trump openly and repeatedly showed how he felt about immigrants of all kinds. Everyone knew it, everyone knows it, everyone will always know it.
This is a cruel delusion you tell yourself, obviously the people you are referring to exist and there are lots of them and they should be shamed the way you are shaming them but there are far more scared, desperate people who feel as total strangers in a crowd of faces that stare at them as if they don't fit in that you casually throw under the bus along with the genuine fascists.. and make that mistake at our peril my friend.
Plenty of people were tricked, no not everybody knew it, heck tons of people didn't even know Biden had dropped out of the presidential race when they went into vote, and no matter how you feel about it I simply will not let you make negative conclusions about immigrants and other minorities that were tricked into voting against their interests without any actual evidence to back it up.
Cite your sources, or stop claiming that immigrants and others weren't tricked. This is a toxic narrative and it must be stopped in its tracks.
It is our job as leftists to speak to these people who are afraid and say "don't take my word for it, see how these people who claim to support you are trying to kill, maim and destroy you and your families", and NOT our job to lambast these people for entering into a cruel battle royale for reasons we could only really ever judge if we were in their shoes and doing badly.
hanrahan 3 points a year ago
Plenty of people were tricked, no not everybody knew it, heck tons of people didn't even know Biden had dropped out of the presidential race when they went into vote
Yoive set a really really low bar there for personal responsibility. At some stage adults have to take responsibility for their actions.
If you are so disengaged from US Politics you wern't even aware BEFORE voting that Biden wasn't on the ticket, then yes, YOU are to blame for that complete disengagement from democracy. I'm not saying you have to be up to speed with the minutiae of wording across the policy space but to not even be aware of the candidates ?... come on, they shouldn't even be let out of the house, let alone voting ffs.
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thatKamGuy 3 points a year ago
Yup; in general China stands to benefit most in the long-term with a second Trump administration. Economic projections are that they will take over the US as the world’s largest economy, and when that happens - it will shift global spheres of influence, especially with the US digging itself so far into debt and isolationism.
conditional_soup 2 points a year ago
We've hosted a bunch of European exchange kids over the years, and they tell us that it already feels like the EU is realigning with China away from the US.
Jankatarch 5 points a year ago
Immigrant here. No english means same info from the internet. Usual thought process goes :
"Right are working class farmers so left must be the CEOs. Like in my country except they are switched. Makes sense."
BlameTheAntifa 3 points a year ago
There’s a great book that covers decades of research on this topic. It’s free, too.
supersquirrel 1 point a year ago
Colonialism cannot simply subjugate minorities with violent force alone, it isn't enough to turn people against their homes.
Colonialism must divide people with fear and make them pick sides against their heart so that the oppression of Colonialism is distracted from by the oppression of people hurting each other as they try to claw their way up through brutal racist, classist conditions all the while being lectured by white people.
It doesn't have to make sense to you why people would vote against their interests, you must simply understand that it is essential for authoritarian control and thus rich people have gotten very good at convincing people to do it in the US.
You can only have a class based system where certain groups are excluded from enjoying decent lives if there is always a sales pitch being made to a minority group that if they betray their own interests to help white people come out on top again then they will be let into the white club. Whiteness dies without that and yet whiteness can never really let anybody in who isn't white without dying itself.
Focus your anger on the immense incongrituities of this situation not the fact that it hurts people so bad they can't see clearly with their heart anymore.
outhouseperilous -1 points a year ago
Fascists aren't people. Logic and self interest does not apply.
It's all libidnal desire to not think, a rejection of a world that demands they grow and change. A rejection of complexity, of knowledge, of responsibility.
Critical thinking does not apply. Their whole way of being runs counter to that. There is no self awareness, no imagination¹, not even self preservation.
Even what you and i think of as communication serves a different purpose for them. It's like the husks from 'mass effect' but more so.
¹older versions of fascism actually had imagination. It was a thing. Filtered out; creates too much complexity.
egerlach 2 points a year ago
Careful here… while I agree with your anger, you're using the same language used to dehumanize vulnerable populations. Everyone, including horrible people like Steven Miller, deserve basic human dignity. They deserve fairness, due process, and every human right. But unrepentant fascists don't deserve our attention, our sympathy, forgiveness, or reprieve from justice (repentant ones are more complex and not addressed here).
To treat them as less than human is to risk becoming like them. When you fight monsters, you must take extra care to avoid becoming a monster yourself, after all.
outhouseperilous 0 points a year ago
There's this thing they do. Basic schoolyard bully shit. Accusing someone else of the thing you're gonna do, so when you do it, the victim sounds like theyre just copying you.
I've read neitzsche, by the way. There's a lot of nuance to what that part actually means. Just quoting it to excuse the libshit you already believed (or think you do) is kind of missing the entire point of that philosophy.
egerlach 1 point a year ago
Fully agree with you, and touché on the glib use of the quote. I wasn't trying to invoke the full depth of Nietzsche. I'm merely cautioning against crossing the line between condemning disgusting actions and labeling the people themselves as disgusting. I'm appealing to humility and humanity: a recognition that we aren't inherently "better" than the worst of them. In order to be different from them, we have to act differently.
We don't have to agree, we don't have to sympathize, but failing to see their humanity no matter how unconscionable their actions blurs the line between us and them, and that's a line I prefer to keep as clear as possible.
I am curious what you see in my comment that is "libshit", though. I don't personally see how the invocation of human rights and dignity is liberalism by any reading.
SnarkoPolo 46 points a year ago
You got exactly what you wanted, Honey. Enjoy your MAGA world.
Bytemeister 20 points a year ago
Same as everyone else that voted for trump.
"They're only going after the bad ones."
Supervisor194 43 points a year ago
Her vote says she didn't give a fuck about anybody else's father, so why should anybody else give a fuck about hers?
pineapplelover 40 points a year ago
"don't shoot yourself in the foot"
"Shoot yourself in the foot to Make America Great Again!"
"I'm telling you man, you shouldn't shoot yourself in the foot"
Shoots themself in the foot
"WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH"
"Told you so"
FistingEnthusiast 39 points a year ago
I fucking despise people like this
They're fine with hurting people, so long as they're not hurt themselves
FlashMobOfOne 36 points a year ago
Immigration is the one issue where he 100% did not lie about what he intended, and therefore, the one issue where I don't feel much sympathy for impacted MAGA voters. You literally did vote for this.
brygphilomena 31 points a year ago
I can't help but feel bad for her and her family.
And as much as we want to laugh at her, that doesn't help. A lot of people need to see how their mistakes affect them before they get it.
This country needs to be united, and anyone that wants to defect left should be welcomed. Show them the light and how they were lied to and manipulated. Grow our numbers. Teach people compassion.
But if we ostracize her, she'll just end up back into her media sphere and voting against the betterment of this country again.
Soup 39 points a year ago
If she was right in front of me I’d be gentle, say I’m proud of her for realizing the truth even if it was a little late, and try to help at least by making her some tea or something.
But from over here? Bruh I still hope she gets her dad back and shit, and I do feel bad because she’s clearly stupid as all hell so from her perspective this was a sudden and unexpected betrayal, but holy shit I do love these posts. Trump was beyond obviously evil and maintained that very public energy for a decade yet people still gave him the popular vote in 2024. Harris should have been the right-wing candidate but instead the US made her the only option against the super far right.
She deserved this, she helped make this happen. There are only so many times you can beg someone not to drink bleach before you just don’t have the empathy to do anything about it. And I still do, I’ll never let it go completely, but I’m not going to pander to these idiots and make their horrible opinions feel valid.
Swedneck 1 point a year ago
the ideal fantasy scenario is that everyone gets deported to china whereupon the chinese government goes "here's an apartment, here's a job, here's some horrifyingly spicy noodles, pip pip"
Announced098 -34 points a year ago
You do realize continuously antagonizing them is exactly what they want right? It makes you no different from them.
FarmTaco 30 points a year ago
how dare you tell someone they are having just consequences, you are the same as the people who are snatching people off the street and deporting them. how dare you sir. how dare you
egerlach 7 points a year ago
But there's a difference between allowing someone the opportunity to take responsibility for their actions and change, and antagonizing them.
"Hey, sorry this happened to you and your family. We are going to fight to stop these policies. Will you join us in our fight against Republicans, the people who did this to you?"
If yes, you get an ally.
If no, then fuck 'em is an appropriate response.
Resistance to fascism needs all the help it can get. Including those who fucked up and are now willing to join the fight, as long as the scales have really fallen from their eyes. Most people like this got duped. They're victims too.
If you go straight to "fuck 'em", they disengage, which is a win for fascism. They want the populous afraid and disengaged.
But yeah, if they're like the business owners who complained about the tariffs and said they'd still vote for Trump again? Fuck 'em.
Wilco 2 points a year ago
Nice point! I feel so ashamed. We should love our fellow human beings, even the ones that voted for the literal rise of fascism. Seriously tho ... fuck anyone that voted for this. If that puts me on the same low level as MAGA ... good ... at least I can gnaw on their head while in hell (Dante's Inferno reference).
barneypiccolo 4 points a year ago
That's a stupid take.
PugJesus 19 points a year ago
This country needs to be united, and anyone that wants to defect left should be welcomed. Show them the light and how they were lied to and manipulated. Grow our numbers. Teach people compassion.
Do you not remember how this went the past 15 times it happened in the past 3 decades?
"Welcoming" them back teaches them that their actions have no consequences. Many conservatives entrench and intensify their vile worldviews precisely because they know that their social circles will remain under the justification of "It's just politics". They dial it back when they receive pushback or punishment, and intensify it in time for the next election. Every. Goddamn. Time.
They aren't 'defecting left'. They're sad that they, personally, were harmed; and they will continue to advocate for others to be harmed as soon as their ultra-fucked rationalization of vile behavior either triggers on its own, or is 'guided' by their favorite media or memes.
DarkFuture 7 points a year ago
I don't.
Stupid people can only learn through suffering. It was inevitable for this woman to suffer to become less ignorant. The suffering was going to happen one way or another.
She could have done her homework. She chose not to. It's not like actual data/information is being withheld from her, kept behind lock and key. She just chose not to look it up.
I'll 100% accept this woman into the fold, but ONLY if she accepts her mistake. Have you talked to a lot of conservative voters? A common theme is not accepting the fault for their actions. I want acknowledgement before I accept any of these clowns. Stupid is dangerous and I don't want them anywhere near me until I know they can learn from their mistakes.
technocrit -5 points a year ago
You have to understand that transgressing liberal morality is completely unforgivable. Voting is the most important thing! The only thing! No mercy for your dad (depending on if/how he voted). Let the infidels burn in the fires of helll!!!!! \s
samus12345 24 points a year ago
RampantParanoia2365 2 points a year ago
This one took me a second, genuine lol.
LemmiChanga 20 points a year ago
It is baffling how anyone couldn’t see this shit show coming. I constantly feel like I’m the subject of a long running prank.
AoxoMoxoA 7 points a year ago
They are sadly that stupid. I was wrapping up a job and talking to the customer ( die hard trump freak ) , typical " yeah, nice weather this weekend, hope you have a nice vacation this summer etc.".
Somehow the price of "things" comes up and this lady says "yeah it's like the extended warranty on my car! They keep raising the rates every year and I think I've paid them as much as the car cost me used! But at least i know if it breaks down ill be covered "
😭😭😭 Noooo you stupid idiot ! That is a fucking scam ! Everyone knows that!
Well, they are the people that fall for all that dumb ass shit. I don't understand how they live so long and have nice homes. I just can't figure it out.
Akuchimoya 1 point a year ago
People believe themselves to be part of the in-circle as "one of the good ones". My father is a Trump-supporting anti-immigrant immigrant. But when he says "immigrant", he really means Hispanics and blacks, not Asians like himself.
I even know an Afghan guy who loves Trump. He grew up under the Mujahideen and then the Taliban, so he hates Islam. When Trump says Muslim countries are bad, this guy 100% agrees. He thinks he and Trump are on the same side, because he's no longer Muslim. Trump, or course, would have him arrested and deported on sight for being brown.
Empricorn 20 points a year ago
The time to come together in unity and compassion was the election. That's long since passed now. He showed everyone exactly who he was while campaigning for his first presidency, and every single second since then.
If you were still unsure about his leadership qualities, his first presidency was filled with him throwing others under the bus, telling blatant, significant lies with every speech, betraying our allies for political gain, bungling the pandemic response and needlessly destroying hundreds of thousands of lives, spending more time golfing than doing his job, and concluded with him attempting to overturn the election by pressuring states, participating in an illegal scheme that involved fake electors, and inciting an insurrection at the nation's capitol. Oh, and he was impeached twice.
But if racism is the final straw for you to stop supporting this draft-dodging, ableist, lying, rapist, 34-count convicted felon, great; but that was on display, too. He called places with brown and black populations "shithole countries", issued a ban on immigration from Muslim countries, criticized Puerto Rico and dragged his feet on helping them after a devastating hurricane, pardoned Arizona racist Joe Arpaio, convicted for his illegal "worst pattern of racial profiling in US history" (DoJ), harshly cracked down on peaceful Black Lives Matter protestors, including tear-gassing them at a church to disperse them and use the location as a photo-op.
I won't go through all the examples, but the end result is if you voted for him in 2024, you either ignored or approved of his racism. Unfortunately, it's now affecting many innocent people, some of whom you know...
slaneesh_is_right 5 points a year ago
Untill the next grifter comes around the corner
BobGnarley 19 points a year ago
Cry for all the people you helped fuck over by voting for that shit.
turtlesareneat 7 points a year ago
Look at what’s going on with the Trump phone. Obvious lie, media doesn’t even dig into it. Trump gets the headline and the win. As seems to happen every time, the media is back to loving him again. I have a feeling things to this new wall-to-wall flattering coverage, his approval rating is actually gonna start inching up again. And this is made my faith in America completely evaporate.
BigBenis 19 points a year ago
I have sympathy for her and people in similar situations and take issue with any suggestion that they deserves this. But I also can't help but feel her plea for unity is disingenuous and hypocritical. It's great that she's seemingly on board with unity against fascism now but going forward I don't trust she or people like her will have anybody's back but their own.
BlackRoseAmongThorns 2 points a year ago
Yeah, calling for ambiguous "unity" after you're personally affected shouldn't be convincing to anyone, she should go protest instead
NutWrench 17 points a year ago
So the guy who has been stiffing contractors for the last 50 YEARS, the guy who calls our servicemen "suckers and losers" the guy who openly bragged about just how hard he was going to fark us all over, the guy who shits in a GOLD TOILET doesn't care about YOU?
That must have come as quite a shock.
Liberal_Ghost 11 points a year ago
Same. Tried to warn them, but they wouldn't listen.
BigMacHole 16 points a year ago
If ONLY there was SOME WAY to Know this would Happen BEFORE the Election!
-Republicans who Do Their Own Research!
phoenixarise 14 points a year ago
Oh save your fucking tears. Your daddy wouldn’t be dying in ICE custody if it wasn’t for you.
AdolfSchmitler 13 points a year ago
And they'll find a way to blame democrats or something
RichardDegenne 13 points a year ago
There are two wolves inside me.
- This is horrible, no one should have to live through that.
- lol get dunked on plays Toby Fox's Dogsong sped up
wanderwisley 13 points a year ago
The leopard’s eaten good this summer.
samus12345 20 points a year ago
"So...many...faces!!"
Gammelfisch 12 points a year ago
I have zero sympathy for this kind of shit. The selfish idiot knew and wanted to hurt others through her vote and received a dose of her own fucking medicine.
CrowAirbrush 11 points a year ago
You sleep in the bed you made.
UncleGrandPa 11 points a year ago
It's hard to feel sorry for people who willingly overlooked the evidence
Just so they could feel good
DoucheBagMcSwag 10 points a year ago
This is why when I see conspiracies on here that Kamala won but trump rigged the election makes me angry. When you say that you're understating that so so so many Latinos and Latina's voted hard for Trump and the Fourth Reich. Because they thought they were protected and everyone else was a useless eater urchin that deserve to be deported. Now they're realizing that MAGA views all non-white and poor immigrants as the useless eater urchins.
And are now paying the price.
Bow down before the one you serve. You're gonna get what you fucking deserve.
DarkFuture 7 points a year ago
I believe being an idiot is largely beneficial 90% of the time in this world. But man, that other 10% must hit real hard.
WorldsDumbestMan 1 point a year ago
No it is not, it is an unbearable curse.
barneypiccolo 6 points a year ago
I love the schadenfreude of MAGAs getting EXACTLY what they voted for.
barneypiccolo 5 points a year ago
Oh well, we're all gonna die, right?
heavyboots 4 points a year ago
Oh no. Anyways…
obinice 2 points a year ago
Isn't undocumented another word for illegal immigrant? (It's not really a term we have over here so apologies if I got that wrong)
I have nothing whatsoever against people based on their country of origin or skin colour etc, but if you're (or a close loved one is) flagrantly breaking the law and hiding from the authorities by illegally residing in a country, surely you shouldn't be surprised when you vote for the guy that promised to root these criminals out and deport them?
To me, the big news is people who are legally residing in the USA are being gulag'd, not that they're catching illegal immigrants. But yes, this woman was a fool, sadly.
She may be intelligent and capable of learning better, but such is the power of propaganda and brainwashing that it can get us all. None of us are immune.
It's a strong reminder that people can be tricked into working against their own interests, no matter how smart we are. The only thing that will give us a fighting chance are strong Critical Thinking skills. Even then, it's so easy to be fooled and not realise it.
technocrit 1 point a year ago
Why would anyone show compassion when they can joke about it from positions of extreme privilege? There's even a whole comm for it! smh.
macaw_dean_settle 7 points a year ago
No, I am all out of compassion. She is on her own.
drmoose 2 points a year ago
But you already got her right? Any extra energy spent here isn't a great investment.
If you believe in game theory then you have to tit-for-tat sometimes even if your goal is to be nice and inclusive.
jsomae 1 point a year ago
I'm not necessarily advocating for extra energy spent here. I'm advocating for not rubbing the salt into the wound by mocking her, like others are doing in this thread. Doesn't exactly seem like a good way to be welcoming to new converts.
ladicius 6 points a year ago
Changed allegiance? After she voted orange turd in for a second term? And only after she was personally hit with the consequences of her own doing?
Ask the people who are now in concentration camps awaiting deportation who are being separated from their kids and other family about what they think of such nazi supporters.
TokenBoomer 6 points a year ago
"It is your concern when your neighbor's wall is on fire" 🔥
- Horace
macaw_dean_settle 0 points a year ago
She will just do it again. You can't fix stupid.
fodor 3 points a year ago
Your argument is a straw man, isn't it? Of course people can say "you voted for it, you deserve it, what the fuck were you thinking" and also say "come join the protest next week if you actually found your sense of human decency". That is all perfectly consistent.
When informed adults whine about what they predictably lost based on their own bad decisions, of course their complaints will fall on deaf ears. But if they want to take action to make things better, nobody will get in their way.
supersquirrel -17 points a year ago
Yeah but I am a white dude who had a fairly privileged liberal upbringing, so while I can look at this and snear who actually needs minoritories to betray themselves out of fear? It isn't minorities... they don't have the powerr...
Hmmm...
I adjust the mirror to stare at it and ponder
supersquirrel -7 points a year ago
Well Genocide Joe let the Palestinian Genocide happen so I am better than him.
Also "bullshit"?
Go away you cynical selfish ghoul.
supersquirrel 1 point a year ago
I voted for Kamala
I am not an elected official
I did not force the DNC to be silent on the Palestinian Genocide
You are blaming me, a random internet commentor, for the actions taken by some of the most powerful people on earth who would laugh at me telling them to do something
Amnesigenic -1 points a year ago
Kamala owns a much bigger part of it than any individual voter
thanks for using Leebra!
go to feed...
Selfish people. Its still a me me me attitude, but now she wants everyone else to come and do what she wants to get what she wants.
I'd put money on the fact that if put in a situation where she was asked to help someone else's family first she would say "But what about MY father!?"
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