Took me a lot of years to not think it's my company that is being run into the ground. I should not - and nowadays could not - care any less.
What is the biggest lesson that employment has taught you?
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Carighan 3 points 3 years ago
Reading about it, it seems they are in fact all the same. Even the white haribo mice. TIL.
Yeah, in a way. As in, I don't feel like I have any responsibility in things in the company going to shits (which I would if it were, well, my company).
GuyWithLag 13 points 3 years ago
I found out that https://www.ribbonfarm.com/... explains a lot of the dysfunctions that one finds in an office / corporate environment.
jbrains 3 points 3 years ago
Yes. This lies among the reasons I find it easier not to blame enterprises for their dysfunctions. The unsustained growth imperative of our economic systems makes the Gervais Principle behavior the path of least resistance. Indeed, the only way to stop it seems to come down to the heroism of one key influential person who chooses differently.
This also accounts for why I stopped trying to fix enterprises and instead focus on helping the well-meaning people who otherwise would need to fend for themselves.
gandalf_der_12te 3 points 3 years ago
I'm determined to ever only work in public, state-owned companies. I believe in a causal connection between being a private, profit-oriented business and the daily "wtf" moments, the only true measure of quality.
Edit: fixed the link.
state_electrician 2 points 3 years ago
I stopped giving a shit a long time ago. I do my best to consult and warn and if they don't listen it's not my problem.
Lettuceeatlettuce 208 points 3 years ago
The company doesn't care about you. The company doesn't care about you. The company doesn't care about you.
ME5SENGER_24 100 points 3 years ago
My uncle spent years preaching to me about the need to be loyal to a company. I never drank the Kool-Aid. He spent 21 years working for an investment banking company in their IT department. 4 years before he was set to retire with a full pension, etc. his company was acquired by a larger bank. He lost everything except his 401k. He then spent the next 12 years working to get his time back so he’d be able to retire. He died 2 years ago and the company sent a bouquet of flowers.
THE COMPANY DOESN’T CARE ABOUT YOU!!
ME5SENGER_24 21 points 3 years ago
So the way he explained it to me was that essentially when the company was purchased all your accruals were reset and the pension was tied to years of service, which he hadn’t reached yet, then with the merger you were essentially a new employee. There was also a lot tied to retirement plans linked to corporate stocks that were basically useless after they merged. Either way, beyond working for the same company forever, his eggs were (mostly) in one basket.
Idontreallyknow 46 points 3 years ago
Yet another reason to be glad to live in the EU:
Basically, "any employee's contract of employment will be transferred automatically on the same terms as before in the event of a transfer of the undertaking. This means that if an employer changes control of the business, the new employer cannot reduce the employees' terms and conditions"
This regulation and strong unions are the backbone of job security in the EU.
HiddenLayer5 54 points 3 years ago
The company cares about you in the same way a beef farmer cares about his cattle.
lord_ryvan 4 points 3 years ago
No, they don't care that much
Lettuceeatlettuce 24 points 3 years ago
The company is always on the lookout for ways to replace you with somebody who will do more for less.
And in the meantime, they will squeeze you for every drop of effort they think they can get away with.
ininewcrow 9 points 3 years ago
They refer to you as .... HUMAN RESOURCES
You aren't a person, you are an instrument the company uses to make more money for itself. If you die or can no longer work, you will be replaced by another human resource.
Lucidlethargy 1 point 3 years ago
The people on the top of the company don't care, either... Even if it seems like the really like you alot.
masterspace 181 points 3 years ago
The most important traits for doing well at work (in this order):
- clear, effective, and efficient communication
- taking ownership of problems
- having your boss and team members like you on a personal level
- competence at your tasks
AFKBRBChocolate 45 points 3 years ago
I'm halfway through scrolling this long thread, and this is the first comment I've seen that isn't overly cynical. It's also correct.
I've been working for 38 years, and I've been someone who makes promotion decisions for 15 of them. The third one is helpful, not essential, but the others are super important. The people who rise to leadership positions aren't necessarily the top technical people, they're the ones who do those things with a good attitude.
The other thing I'd add is that they're people who are able to see the big picture and how the details relate to it, which is part of strategic thinking.
maporita 21 points 3 years ago
I was taught that my job is "to make sure all my bosses surprises are pleasant ones". 15 years of working as an engineer and that never changed. Now I have my own business and that's the thing I look for employees.. someone I can leave on their own to do a job. It they have problems they can always ask me. If they screw up I expect them to tell me immediately and to have a plan of action to fix it and to prevent it happening again. And I never ever get cross if someone does come to me and say they screwed up. Far better that we tell the client about a problem than wait until the client finds the problem themselves.
Reading all these comments makes me realize how lucky I've been in my career. I've always had great bosses who defended me and backed me up.
AFKBRBChocolate 3 points 3 years ago
People have those things in spectrums, not all or nothing. You have to have at least some of all of them, but I'd argue that mediocre competency with really good communication and accountability is a better combination that really good competency with one of the others being mediocre.
severien 6 points 3 years ago
I still kinda disagree. We're talking here about engineering role after all. I have a colleague who is a code wizard, but has kinda problem with (under)communicating. He's still widely respected as a very good engineer, people know his communication style and adapt to it.
But if you're a mediocre problem solver, you can't really make up for it with communication skills. That kinda moves you into non-engineering role like PO, SM or perhaps support engineer.
But I would say this - once you reach a certain high level of competence, then the communication skills, leadership, ownership can become the real differentiating factors. But you can't really get there without the high level of competence first.
raze2012 3 points 3 years ago
We’re talking here about engineering role after all.
where? seemed like general advice.
Even then, thee aren't mutually exclusive. your competence will affect how people see you on a personal level, at least at work. And your competence affects your ability to be given problems to own. You're not gonna give the nice but still inexperienced employee to own an important problem domain. they might be able to work under the owner and gain experience, though.
Documentation and presentation are highly undervalued, and your ability to understand and spread that knowledge can overcome that lack of experience to actually handle the task yourself.
AFKBRBChocolate 1 point 3 years ago
I think we might be agreeing, it's just that "mediocre" means different things to each of us. My team supports human spaceflight, and no one we have is crummy. The "mediocre" people have pretty decent technical skills if you're looking across all software development domains.
Personally, I've found the decent technical skills to be easier to come by than the other ones, and having all of them in one package is a real discriminator.
thedrivingcrooner 29 points 3 years ago
Having worked 7 different jobs that all were in the same field made me have some backbone of standards that nobody else could have built without going through that, though. It's a blessing and a curse, so be warned. The things I picked up on that I never realized I would care so much about in the healthcare field is good office administration and Director of Care leadership. The morale is just as important as the pay rate.
_number8_ 17 points 3 years ago
i worked at all the pizza chains delivering ---- the absolute shittiest ones were a nightmare, for the same 3 reasons:
not letting employees make food themselves. it's a restaurant, you have abundant food, it's cheap, we all know it's cheap, we work long shifts, come on. the cobbler's son should have good shoes.
overemphasis on dress code -- if you genuinely give a shit if the pizza guy has his hat backwards, you should literally be sent to the gulags.
being overworked for low pay, especially being made to drive when exhausted [literally dangerous and life threatening!!]
jbrains 10 points 3 years ago
As a consultant, I now feel grateful to the variety of dysfunctions that I experienced, because they provided me with some of the credibility that I use in advising others. That's the blessing part.
That, and comedy equals tragedy plus distance.
agent_flounder 15 points 3 years ago
That said some companies do it more right than others. The problems at the current company are ones I can live with. Which is why I'm still there after way more years than expected.
xhieron 36 points 3 years ago
Absolutely. There is no business yet in which you invent money from nothing. Everyone works for someone else. It might be a capitalist boss, it might be a client, it might even be constituents or donors, but no one truly works for themselves. The only winning move is to not play, and the ones fortunate enough to not have to play were born rich. Being self-employed and/or owning your own business is just trading one boss for another.
Source: Was in private practice for a decade; now I'm a corporate attorney, and it's just a different set of people making my job hard.
jbrains 6 points 3 years ago
I feel better about the things I do wrong, because at least I made the decisions and I can only blame myself. I can also choose which things I especially care about doing well instead of being subject to someone else's preferences. It feels better, but still yes.
And, as CEO of a tiny company, I have to interact with bureaucracies more than I did as an employee, so becoming my own boss didn't mean escaping that nonsense, anyway.
Waldowal 126 points 3 years ago
You don't have to run the rat race to get promoted. You don't have to be at your desk at 7am and leave at 7pm to put on a show. Just be competent. Most people are not. You'll eventually get promoted once you are old and white enough.
ours 67 points 3 years ago
Getting promoted isn't a race. It's a marketing campaign. The squeaky wheel gets the grease sadly. I hate it but that's the game. You can be great but if the right people don't hear about it it won't bring a reward.
The funny thing is it's a loss for the employer since it means people spend time self-promoting themselves and their achievements instead of just doing things well.
robotrash 27 points 3 years ago
Some leadership will actively not promote you, even block attempts by you, if you're at the top of your role and consistently outperforming peers, why would they let you move up? You make them look good right here.
SnowBunting 6 points 3 years ago
Had a sup that did that to me. It sucked. Glad I'm not working for her anymore.
Hamartiogonic 14 points 3 years ago
Getting promotions and raises is rare. Haven’t seen that happen very many times. However, many people have told me that the best way to get a raise is to switch to another company.
beckie_lane 11 points 3 years ago
I worked at “AT&T wireless” back in the day when dirt was new. This guy would say “ squeaky wheel gets the grease.” One day after he said that our team lead said “Or gets replaced.” Then they walked his ass out.
McScience 8 points 3 years ago
Yeah. I always tell newbies "nobody ever got a promotion for work their boss didn't know they did." Sadly if you produce 100 units of value and the boss only knows about 10 of them the guy who did 20 units but won't shut up about it looks 2x as valuable even though he's actually doing 1/5 the work. Trick is to be doing the most work and have people see it
oce 2 points 3 years ago
If we take it from the other side, it's difficult for management to understand how well you're doing if you're not communicating it properly, especially if your job is highly technical but they aren't. Technical experts who would understand your work alone don't necessarily make good managers.
ipkpjersi 17 points 3 years ago
I must not be old enough because I've never been promoted even though I'm practically white as a ghost. Every promotion I have ever received is from getting a new job at a new company and ending up making significantly more money that way.
Kecessa 8 points 3 years ago
How long do you work for the same employer though? What field are you in?
I've worked for the same employer for 12 years and never got a promotion because there was only one way up and a pool of over 1000 employees to pick from, then switched to another job and got a promotion under a year...
ipkpjersi 4 points 3 years ago
Around 3 years per employer, so it's a bit on the shorter end, but not too far from the average for my field.
I'm a programmer. Not a ton of competition per team, especially when I usually work on smaller teams.
Kecessa 4 points 3 years ago
Oh yeah if you're "just" a programmer (in the sense that you don't have other formations) you might have to do management courses on the side, that's what my friend had to do to land a permanent promotion...
electrogamerman 2 points 3 years ago
May I ask, what is the most important thing to show in a programmer CV?
Im a junior programmer. I would say im good at the job. I can easily create new software and also find problems in other codes and fix them. However I have no idea what I would say in an interview. Its not like I learn code by memory.
kilgore_trout 16 points 3 years ago
Most probably you will never be promoted anyway.
cyborganism 12 points 3 years ago
Just be friends with the manager. That's who I found was promoted the most in my career.
TheDarkKnight -1 points 3 years ago
tbh its pretty common in IT to find your squad (and your squad leader) and follow ‘em everywhere.
cyborganism 4 points 3 years ago
Except it's often a boys club with its toxic behaviors, which not all people will fit in.
TheDarkKnight 0 points 3 years ago
Not been my experience but no doubt it exists in the field
Pringles 2 points 3 years ago
The white part depends on the country, in Western Europe the skin color is as good as irrelevant, at least until middle management. But yea, once you realize how incompetent the average colleague is, promotion becomes basically inevitable.
moriquende 0 points 3 years ago
I think they were talking about white hair (connected to being old).
incogtino 114 points 3 years ago
Your employer does not care about you. You are not important or irreplaceable
Take your time and energy and put it into your life, not their business
I have had coworkers die (not work related) and by the time you hear about it (like the next day) they have already worked out who will get the work done so the machine doesn't have to stop
Misconduct 11 points 3 years ago
True but there's also absolutely no reason to think they care. Even if someone dies. Because they really don't. So it feels extra soulless when they send out the email redistributing tasks right after the generic condolences email that goes out to the whole floor
Maalus 2 points 3 years ago
I mean, how do you gauge how much someone cares? What would make you think someone cared (either at work or anywhere else)? I think all actions by a company would make people think it's just an unempathetic gesture. Even if it was a small company and the employee was there for very long and was actually missed.
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Polymath 102 points 3 years ago
The longer you work anywhere -- and I mean ANYWHERE -- the more you see the bullshit and corruption and crappy rules or policies and inequality all over.
For me it has been about the 3 year mark anywhere I've worked: once you get past that, you fade away from "damn I'm glad to have a job and be making money!" and towards "this is absolute bulls#!t that [boss] did [thing] and hurt the workers in the process!" or similar
intensely_human 8 points 3 years ago
3 years? What nirvana corp do you work at?
speaker_hat 6 points 3 years ago
Thanks, I agree!
Today businesses increase like mushrooms after rain, and decrease like mushrooms before summer.
Don't get attached, move on to the next better mushroom 🍄
darkstar 3 points 3 years ago
Funny, that's actually what motivated me at my last job. Things were fucked up, but not so fucked up that it was overwhelming. It was the Goldilocks zone of just fucked up enough that I think I can not only fix it, but look good if I do. It was a fun journey, all told, but there were definitely frustrations, even ones that lasted years.
Abrslam 101 points 3 years ago
Sometimes it's better if your employer doesn't know everything you can do. If you're not careful you'll end up Inventory Controller/shipper/IT services/reception/Safety officer, and you'll only ever be paid for whatever your initial position was.
_TheLoneDeveloper_ 19 points 3 years ago
I wanted to be a system engineer, I got hired as a devops, I started doing a bit of system engineer, called hr and said that I'm working on infrastructure and I need my title changed or else I won't be able to continue my work, my title was changed, no I do system engineer stuff and less of devops, this was a very rare occasion but it can happen from time to time.
TheDarkKnight 2 points 3 years ago
Wouldn’t DevOps pay a lot more than Infra in general? Seems to be the more in demand skillset at the moment.
_TheLoneDeveloper_ 1 point 3 years ago
Well it depends, I had gotten offers double and triple my yearly pay to move to the capital or go outside of my country for a system engineer position. Devops pays more in the US, for around 20-30k MORE per year, but other salaries in the US and other salaries in EU.
Personally I like system engineer/architect jobs more, DevOps is nice but lacks creativity.
demlet 98 points 3 years ago
Success is mainly about sucking up to the right people. No matter how good you are at your job, you have to know how to play work politics. Most bosses don't know how to evaluate actual ability, and they're much less objective than they think. Usually they favor more likeable employees over capable ones if forced to choose. Human life is a popularity contest, always has been, always will be. That's the side effect of being a highly social species...
techt 8 points 3 years ago
I don't think you're entirely wrong, but I think maybe you downplay the importance of a good team dynamic when choosing people. I'd take someone less skilled over a highly skilled but unapproachable jerk for the long-term health of the crew. In that way, I don't think it's bad to favor the more likable one depending on how we're defining likable, and I don't think that makes it simply a popularity contest either.
superfly_samurai 78 points 3 years ago
There's no such thing as quiet quitting. I prefer acting your wage.
speaker_hat 6 points 3 years ago
Explanation please? Not a native speaker here...
Resonosity 5 points 3 years ago
There was a phenomenon in the US labor market during 2022/2023 called "quiet quitting" where laborers across the market realized that companies weren't paying wages adequately or to a level that reflected the kind of work laborers would perform.
It was thought that companies paid their workers short of what the workers are owed, and in response to that, a large number of people, many trending young, started behaving according to those wages.
This often meant reducing work speed or efficiency, reducing communication, etc. Laborers would claim that they were doing the bare minimum to match their wage compensation.
The other side of this is that the US labor market at that time favored laborers over companies. Workers had more leverage about getting job offers and negotiating terms than companies had, partly due to a rebound from COVID.
This meant that there wasn't as much of an anxiety of workers being fired from their position since they would find it easy to get another job. So people did look for other jobs, often while working, to see if they might improve their circumstances and land a job that pays better.
The "quiet" part was about sliding back on performance or even job tasks themselves, and the "quitting" part was about workers possibly leaving companies for other offers.
I might have conflated The Great Resignation with this, but both phenomena affect the other.
lord_ryvan 2 points 3 years ago
You speak funny words, magic man
speaker_hat -1 points 3 years ago
If someone is paid three times the average salary of his county, acting his wage would be actually working his ass off?
Resonosity 2 points 3 years ago
It all depends on the cost of living relative to the wages accrued. Often wages haven't kept up with the cost of living, so people feel more and more that the deal with their employers gets worse and worse. Someone earning 200k/year might be living the same as someone working 60k/year depending on where those people live
Now, there is something to be said about why cost of living should vary from place to place. Part of it is scarcity of habitation: if there aren't very many available flats or lots, there might be fierce competition for people to fill what flats or lots do become available. Supply and demand.
Other aspects might be debt accrued by businesses that they pass on to their customers, externalities like wars or laws, etc.
I also want to point out that a lot of people associate more wealth with more consumption, so you might see people rise to spend all of the new resources they accumulate rather than securitizing and saving that wealth for unforeseen events. Lots of people consume at terribly non-sustainable rates, and there should be conversations about what effects behaviors can have on the world, outside of the economy.
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Bandananaan 27 points 3 years ago
Just remember what hr stands for. You are a resource. No more than a stapler, that can be replaced at any time
MummifiedClient5000 12 points 3 years ago
Well, sure. Unless you're talking about a red Swingline. I can't compete with that.
Elw 20 points 3 years ago
100%. The rebranding of some HR departments as "People Officers" or "People Team" drives me bonkers. When push comes to shove, they will always protect the interests of the business before the interests of the employee. Full stop.
SnowBunting 3 points 3 years ago
Company interest workers?
krayj 69 points 3 years ago
Your employer is ALWAYS looking for a way to either get more work out of you for the same compensation, or replace you with some one or some process that produces the equivalent output for less cost. The entire idea that employees should be loyal to their employers is one of the most successful propaganda campaigns ever spawned by capitalism.
SlopppyEngineer 25 points 3 years ago
There was a time where more companies held on to people and you could start and retire in the same company. That's now decades ago. That era ended with the oil crisis and never came back, despite bosses pretending it's still there.
Oh, how they hate the new generations doing exactly the same as they do, and only being interested in what's in it for them in the short term and not trusting any promises.
hydrospanner 17 points 3 years ago
Well said.
If any new hires want to test this, simply ask your interviewer about the opportunities for advancement for the role you're interviewing for, as well as the ways the company rewards good performers, initiative, and efficiency. They will 100% give you an excited, optimistic view of how there's plenty of opportunity at this company and how effort and initiative are rewarded with bonuses, raises, promotions, etc.
...ask about any of those opportunities again in 2 years.
SlopppyEngineer 20 points 3 years ago
"Your work was perfect and thanks to your continued efforts going above and beyond we achieved record profits. Unfortunately the budget doesn't allow any raise this year."
The most likely answer to get in 2 years.
hydrospanner 22 points 3 years ago
In what will probably be the best career coincidence of my life, I had searched, applied, background checked, interviewed, been offered, accepted, and set a start date for a new job while working at my current job...and the date I was to submit my 2 week notice ended up, after being delayed 3 times, being the date of my annual review.
Thus, I sat through my excellent review and was told pretty much exactly what you just said, with the bonus of "since you're doing so well, we're going to let you do the extra work of another employee who just quit due to over working after we laid off the other person who was with them...but also you're still not going to get paid any more".
I sat through the whole review and at the end of it, got the reward of getting asked if I had any feedback for them, and being able to say, "So... you're telling me I'm doing everything right, and as a reward for that I'm getting no raise and double the responsibilities? I'm sorry but that doesn't sound reasonable to me."
And just as my boss started launching into the routine about being a team player and these are difficult times, I cut him off and said, "Sorry, but that doesn't make it okay. In fact, this is my 2 week notice. I wanted to hear what my review and outlook for the next year would be before I said anything, but the company, through the review, has confirmed to me that I'm making the right choice. This isn't anything personal against you...but it's just clear the company doesn't value me as anything other than an exploitable labor source and has no plans for me to advance in rank or pay...only in workload."
CaptObvious 69 points 3 years ago
Loyalty is vastly overrated. The only rational course of action is to complete exactly the tasks to which you've agreed for the wage they've determined. Your employer will demand loyalty but never reciprocate. Don't let them manipulate you.
Also, never ever let them see you sweat. It doesn't matter how good your employer is, at the first hint that you're insecure, they'll pounce and you'll be treated like garbage. Always have your briefcase packed and a box to clear out your desk on a moment's notice.
gaydarless 5 points 3 years ago
I'm learning that second point right now and it is tough.
CaptObvious 4 points 3 years ago
It is. Especially if it catches you off-guard. Hang in there.
TitanLaGrange 2 points 3 years ago
IMO acting out of loyalty is never good. That is a backwards application of the concept intended to make you to act against your own interests.
Some people like to flip the idea of loyalty around from a description of behavior to a reason for behavior as a method of manipulating other people.
Like, if people see me consistently supporting my friends even when that is difficult they might think I'm 'loyal', but that's backwards. I'm not supporting them because I am loyal, I support them because I like them and want them to succeed (and hopefully they'll support me too). If someone wants loyalty from me, that's an immediate red flag that tells me they either don't understand why I do things, or they don't care and just want me to do whatever they want.
CaptObvious 2 points 3 years ago
I'm not sure that I completely understand your point, but I totally agree that loyalty is earned and not automatic. And it can be used against you to coerce acting against your own best interests. I keep running into this with my employer, despite mountains of evidence over the years.
I'm a slow learner.
TitanLaGrange 1 point 3 years ago
loyalty is earned
For me, it's not even that. Loyalty is not owed, nor is it earned. It is nothing more than a description of behavior.
Think of it this way: I always do my grocery shopping at Target instead of Walmart, even if I see that something is slightly cheaper at Walmart I'll still most likely go to Target for it. Some might see that and say, "Look, he has loyalty to Target", assuming that I shop at Target because I am loyal to that brand. But that's backwards. Really it is that I can be described as 'loyal' because I consistently go to that brand. 'Loyalty' is a description of the behavior, not the cause of the behavior.
it can be used against you
Only if you have bought into the coercive bullshit that 'loyalty' is itself a reason to do something. Employee or customer loyalty is nothing more than an observation that people consistently support the company. That loyal behavior is seen because those people consistently have reasons to support the company. If you observe that people are loyally supporting your company, that is because they have reasons to do so (for example, you might be paying them to show up and do shit. Or maybe they think the shit they are doing is important or fun).
People who want something from you for less than it is worth will try to convince you that loyalty is something you owe them or that they have earned from you because if you believe the lie that loyalty is a reason for action that makes it easier to get you to give them something for free.
CaptObvious 1 point 3 years ago
We’re going to have to disagree about allegiance being a behavioral motivator since means a strong feeling of support. That seems impossible to express in any way except motivated action.
People who want something from you for less than it is worth will try to convince you that loyalty is something you owe them or that they have earned from you
On this we totally agree. It’s bullshit.
dansity 66 points 3 years ago
People in your workplace don't know shit. There are a few who know stuff but the majority is dumb, careless or the combination of the two. Surprisingly the higher you go the more dumb and careless there are. We are designing monster billion dollar construction projects and some of my colleagues have problems with understanding written english. Others cannot learn a software that has literally 3 buttons in them they have to press. I don't even know sometimes why I am trying.
Strawberry 6 points 3 years ago
I think we try because we can't bear not to
psud 1 point 3 years ago
I'm now a scrum master in a government IT team. I asked my team - all new to the work - to do hands on practice of the new systems, try a first stab at building our changes. Our changes were done in the second sprint (a sprint is two weeks of work)
Another team with probably weaker leadership, and maybe fewer competent workers spent six sprints (12 weeks!) "learning" and is unlikely to finish their work before Christmas
Management think my team's great, but I think we're mediocre, just tall among dwarfs
Comment105 65 points 3 years ago
I believe the exact same thing is true.
I have yet to see an employer even attempt to prove it wrong.
Showing up and working sluggishly is the most stable pattern. Getting it done quick and then relaxing only attracts attention and criticism, and as mentioned: More work for no increase in pay.
superduperenigma 70 points 3 years ago
Getting it done quick and then relaxing only attracts attention and criticism, and as mentioned
The trick is getting your task done quickly and then pretend to still be working on it while actually doing nothing.
ChilliDownMySpine 33 points 3 years ago
I disagree. There's nothing worse than having to pretend to work. I'm more drained after a day of scrolling than I am after a day of stressful 100%-work. The best imo is around 70%-work.
_number8_ 18 points 3 years ago
i think it's the mental stress of knowing this time could be spent on something meaningful but instead because of horseshit protestant work ethic - brained boomers it must be wasted
kind of like those sick sick stores that destroy merchandise before throwing it away because god fucking forbid someone else could use it. spitting in the face of humanity.
SnowBunting 5 points 3 years ago
Agree. How many hours humanity could use elsewhere. Being creative, exercising and having fun.
Mog_fanatic 1 point 3 years ago
Behold and bask in the glory of working from home! Here, all your free time can actually be spent free! No more alt-tabbing to a random Excel spread sheet or dumbass email everytime the floor boards outside your crap ass cubicle squeak. No more desperately searching for mildly enjoyable activities that are only slightly conspicuous when viewed from over your shoulder. Revel in a world where if you bust ass and finish what you need to you are actually rewarded with the free time to cuddle your dog, take a nap, binge stardew valley, or just do absolutely nothing.
The fact that it is for this exact reason working from home is hated by old farts is so unbelievably frustrating it's difficult to put in words. I know they like to word it differently like "lack of productivity" or "lowered team dynamic" (which have both since been repeatedly disproven by what little research we have) or some crap but we all know they just can't stand not knowing exactly what we're doing at all times. It honestly feels like they're just irritated that workers are genuinely happy for once.
Dagwood222 16 points 3 years ago
Learn from George Costanza.
Carry a clipboard and look angry all the time.
demlet 10 points 3 years ago
I can touch type at about 70 wpm. Why? Typing practice looks remarkably productive to anyone who doesn't know what I'm actually doing. I also find doing math puzzles helpful. Making little calculations and drawing diagrams looks super impressive to clueless managers. Of course, such strategies depend on apathetic managers.
NimbleSloth 9 points 3 years ago
Sounds like a company I worked for. I saw the writing on the wall and got out. A lot of good people were laid off and a second office in India was opened...
Signtist 58 points 3 years ago
Efficient workers get more work if you're in the office. I work from home, and that allows me to work efficiently until my work is done, set up scheduled emails to go out at the time I would've otherwise been done, then do what I want until then.
Black_Gulaman 24 points 3 years ago
I see your work doesn't have invasive programs that check idle mouse and idle keyboard behaviors.
this is an old one but i can't help thinking, what if they installed it without my knowledge, after all, my work laptop was given to me already pre prepared by our IT department.
PerogiBoi 14 points 3 years ago
There is an entire department at my work that employs thousands of moderators to review desktop screenshots of all employees every 5 minutes to make sure no one is “idle”.
Makes me want to scream when I think about it.
Signtist 7 points 3 years ago
Yeah, they're pretty behind the times, and I'm happy for that. They gave me a work laptop, but since they didn't block me from just using my home computer instead, I just do that so that I've got an excuse if they ever bring up any strange data they might be skimming from the laptop. It's been a couple years now without any word from them about it, though, so I think I'm in the clear.
rolaulten 3 points 3 years ago
Fyi. If your IT department is remotely on top of things - they know. They just might have larger fish to fry.
We can see all kinds of things about any devices that log on to check email, connect to the VPN, etc.
Signtist 2 points 3 years ago
Yeah, I figured they're aware I'm not using the laptop - I'm not on the VPN most of the time as a result. I'm still able to do all my work in my own copy of excel, though, so I'm hoping I can continue pretending I'm unaware that I'm not following the correct avenues to get my work done, at least until they force me to use the laptop.
GuyWithLag 5 points 3 years ago
Luckily I work in a jurisdiction that would tear the whole C-team a new one if that happened.
psud 2 points 3 years ago
It's a double edged sword. I was very efficient, and did get more work, which got me noticed and eventually promoted out of a doing position into a leading position
It's a nice change, the work is light, the people side of the work is easy. I have higher pay and much more free time
Signtist 33 points 3 years ago
I'm not writing up anything. I clock in when my shift starts, I complete the work designated for me for that shift, send it out by the time it needs to be sent out, and clock out at the end of my shift.
Black_Gulaman 22 points 3 years ago
That's not fraud, that's called "working smarter". Not giving us a raise to account for inflation, now that's fraud.
Professor_Piddles 14 points 3 years ago
Is it fraudulent for a mechanic working flat rate to complete a 10 hour job in 6 hours and collect the full 10 hours of pay?
Notyou 4 points 3 years ago
Most employers pay you to be on standby for last minute tasks. That's what you are doing for the rest of the time. You are also planing on how to do these tasks more efficiently. That is all billable in my opinion.
burntbutterbiscuits 3 points 3 years ago
Wow you’re not very intelligent
crazyminner 2 points 3 years ago
Imagine caring about stealing from a thief.
They're just stealing back a fraction of what is being stolen from them.
severien -4 points 3 years ago
Stealing from a thief is still a crime.
BTW, if they're a thief, report/sue them. Or are they just "thief" because of an ad hoc moral system you made up to justify anything you do?
crazyminner 6 points 3 years ago
Wage theft is one of the least acted upon crimes. This system is immoral, and the people who run it are immoral. Thinking you will get any justice except for what you take for yourself is naive and wrong.
This system isn't designed for us, its literally designed for the people its named after.. Capitalists. Taking anything you can back from them is perfectly fine.
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crazyminner 1 point 3 years ago
Imagine thinking capitalists deserve anything other than being kicked to the curb. Workers do everything, the sooner we control things the better.
irmoz 0 points 3 years ago
Yeah, that's exactly what they said... can you refute that surplus value is extracted through exploitation of labour forces? No? Didn't think so. Much easier to insult and deride, and pretend that was a meaningful or valuable argument, than to actually make one.
CanadaPlus 23 points 3 years ago
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patomaloqueiro 46 points 3 years ago
Minimum wage, minimum effort
lazylion_ca 45 points 3 years ago
We don't have time to do it right the first time, but we will make just enough time to redo it wrong a few more times before the customer complains loudly enough that the boss pulls someone from another job which will now not be done right because we don't have time.
gandalf_der_12te 41 points 3 years ago
If the company claims that "you need to work overtimes because we are short on stuff", then that's definitely their failure to hire more people. NEVER work overtime, except if you get appropriate compensation for it.
"No" means "no", also in and especially in the work environment. If your boss asks you to stay longer to "finish the task", just say "no" and walk away.
whofearsthenight 9 points 3 years ago
...with the understanding that It's often grounds for termination in which you won't even get unemployment unless OT is specifically spelled out in your contract this way. The term in these cases for "no" in which you're not being asked to break laws/regulation/contract, is usually "insubordination." Oh and company policy, though even that's sketch because company policy is sometimes dumb as shit so it will occasionally get overridden.
I'm not a bootlicker, join a union if you can, know your contract and don't do an iota more than what's required unless you gain a benefit from it, but always be wary of advice like "tell your boss to go fuck themselves!"
orca 39 points 3 years ago
It has taught me that imposter syndrome fucking sucks.
On a more serious note, it’s taught me to be a solid ally for colleagues but always be skeptical of the business owners and decision makers themselves. I woke up to a layoff along with 5 other people and was laid off for 3 months before I found a new gig. Don’t allow emotions to cloud your job search. It’s all a negotiation and you should push for whatever you can get in terms of salary, PTO, etc. Never sell yourself short because the company sold you some story about how they need help.
logen 35 points 3 years ago
That everything I buy can be measured as totalCost/wages*0.82=hoursCost.
I love measuring things in hours.
Let's assume I make 12/hr. Is 24 cans of soda really worth more (taxes) than an hour of work? 12 bucks might not sound too bad, but over an hours wages does.
pH3ra 5 points 3 years ago
Agree, I've been lucky (and persistent) enough to end up in an asshole-less workplace.
As they say "job interviews are both sided" and the smaller the company is, the more relevant the person interviewing you is gonna be for that company: that's a good litmus test for what your potential workplace is going to be. I turned down many offers from people I had the feeling (or proof) they could be assholes.
Riven 3 points 3 years ago
My situation. I was told unless someone retires there isn't really a way to go up. The only reason I'm sticking around is because I have gotten decentish raises and benefits like them paying for all my personal gas. That said, 2 of the old timers retired and they just cut those positions. If I don't get a bug raise or another position come my next year I'm gonna bounce.
Unaware7013 9 points 3 years ago
A smaller company means smaller salary and bigger potential to have to fill in the cracks as management decides to not backfill.
I moved from a 10 person map to a hundreds of employees map/hosting provider and doubled my pay for minimal extra work. My team isn't much bigger than my previous team, but I don't have to work nearly as hard being a JOAT vs staying in my lane and passing off stuff that's out of my primary knowledge domain.
pH3ra 3 points 3 years ago
I had quite the opposite experience: my last job was for a big company (800+ employees) I had a shitton of work with the downside of being extremely repetitive and alienating, just a small cog inside a huge machine.
Now it's just me and my boss. Of course I'm a JOAT and I have more responsibilities, but that makes the work way less boring and I feel more appreciated for what I do every day. I earn a little more than before and I have the upside of having learned many new skills that make me a more valuable asset on the work market.
I'm aware that not all kinds of job allow you to do this, tho.
Elw 33 points 3 years ago
Boundaries. Establish them and defend them with every ounce of your being. If you don't, most employers will grind you in to the dirt and send you out to pasture when you eventually crack under the pressure. Better to establish healthy boundaries up front. Not only will you find yourself more frequently surrounded by people you like and share mutual respect with, you will be happier and land fewer "shit" jobs because employers looking for people to send to the meat grinder will see that they can't grind you down and you'll be filtered from the hiring pool before you ever have to suffer at their hands.
MapleEngineer 33 points 3 years ago
Working for the federal government in Canada I learned that following the process is far more important than getting anything done.
LillyPip 31 points 3 years ago
My biggest lesson was that decades of work means nothing if you become disabled (in the US).
You can end up with literally nothing and lose literally everything if you become disabled. Even if you still have skills, even though you worked hard to contribute to society for decades, it can all go away overnight and you can suddenly not afford food anymore. There’s no safety net, and you won’t learn that until you need it.
Because fuck you.
CoolBeance 30 points 3 years ago
It's suffocating to be in a middle management position because you get squeezed by the higher-ups and your own team. If the higher-ups make a decision that your team dislikes or vice versa, you're going to be in the shitter with whichever party suffered every time even if you had the best intentions.
SmartDebbie 27 points 3 years ago
Never do more than you are asked, especially for free
MystikIncarnate 25 points 3 years ago
The "family" talk is only just talk. If an employer says "we're family here" or some similar nonsense, it's not family as in "we stick together through everything" - what a family actually is or should be.... It's more of a farengi perspective...
Rule of acquisition 111: "Treat people in your debt like family… exploit them."
And rule 6: "Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity." (Which is also cited as "Never allow family to stand in the way of profit")
Fact is, they want you to be family in the way that you'll do anything for them, like you would for your own family. But when it comes time that you need them to help you out like a family would, they'll show you the door very quickly.
Related: if you're hit by a bus tomorrow, your job will be posted before your obituary. You're just a cog in their money printing machine. As soon as you lose your value in that regard, you're gone. If you slow down the machine too much, they'll find a cog that is more easily lubricated (to push the analogy). If you're broken and can't work, they'll replace you without a thought. Management is there to put a nice face on the company (for your benefit) and make it seem less like you're a number; but that's all you are.
Wakkawakkawakka 24 points 3 years ago
You can't get sick
shinigamiookamiryuu 11 points 3 years ago
What job do you have where you’re not allowed to take care of your health when necessary?
shinigamiookamiryuu 4 points 3 years ago
North Korea?
Wakkawakkawakka 10 points 3 years ago
Lineman for a major telecommunications corporation. Just tested positive for covid. The unspoken rule is show up, if you are dead they may send you home. Got lucky since I actually interact with the public. Sent pic of the positive test to manager. Don't know what is going to happen.
Wakkawakkawakka 7 points 3 years ago
Yes murica
shinigamiookamiryuu 1 point 3 years ago
Kind of. I work in the humanities industry, so there is a limit to off-days (as with most jobs) but nothing like a set number like five days and definitely nothing like a prohibition like I thought the original commenter was talking about, you just can’t drag it out. However, it wouldn’t be humanities if there wasn’t a human element, and it’s a red flag in the industry if there wasn’t a willingness to accommodate, like I see posts about that all the time like here for example and wonder what anyone saw in them.
Agent_of_Kayos 7 points 3 years ago
An American job
shinigamiookamiryuu 0 points 3 years ago
I'm in America and this isn't an issue. I don't know anyone where this isn't an issue, in fact there's this thing in America called SSI designed specifically to help the chronically unhealthy without even a need to work.
LaunchesKayaks 4 points 3 years ago
I worked a job in health insurance where I couldn't take time off for doctors appointments until I had been there for 6 months. My health got super fucked.
Echo71Niner 24 points 3 years ago
The company doesn’t care about you. The company doesn’t care about you. The company doesn’t care about you. The company doesn’t care about you. The company doesn’t care about you. The company doesn’t care about you.
Reddfugee42 23 points 3 years ago
The company has an obligation to find workers who don't know their worth and continue to do more work without more compensation. Take the additional work, get them used to doing it, and get that raise at the next annual review, or leave.
HeartyBeast 23 points 3 years ago
A central purpose of doing your job is to train yourself up to do the job you would prefer - either at the company you are with - or more likely at another.
Spend your time on interesting new skills
TheObserver 6 points 3 years ago
The job I'd prefer is hundreds if not thousands of years from now. I want to have my own ship to explore planets and feed the data back to earth. New contact? Great send info to earth for ground troops to stop by and start procedures while i move to the next planet.
A planet that's lifeless but good for resources. Great, send info to earth for mining ships to start work on it.
Bad areas not suitable for ship travel (black holes, pulsars, etc etc). Ok mark perimeter for other ships to avoid.
Mark scenic areas for possible stations to setup.
Imagine thousands of ships that are doing this. So much data flow. Probably too much data for scientists to keep up 🤣
Someone has to do it and not many would like to do it but those of us that would like to would have a blast! You could even do it as a 1 man crew with robots to help keep the ship going that way if the human lifeform were to die it's only 1 life vs the hundreds that would potentially die if it was a full crew of humans. The robots could even clean up for the next human to take over.
But that's all a dream unfortunately.
AfricanExpansionist 3 points 3 years ago
Yeah this is my mindset too.
VoilaChihuahua 2 points 3 years ago
Everything except world-seer can be done as an at home aid for the elderly or folks with developmental differences. Pay is shit and you may have to do personal care things, but you also mostly hang out with generally nice or at least docile folks. But then there also can be random anger and poop. Scarily enough you usually need little to no qualifications for this work.
SnowBunting 3 points 3 years ago
I have a friend that works with special ed. No licence, no cert needed. He has to handle poop, spitting, blood and the sorts. On top of that, watching and caring for those that may have a seizure. It feels wrong to put on so many hazards and life determining issues to a person with little to no training in it. To top it off, he has to fight to get a full time potion to even get benefits.
VoilaChihuahua 1 point 3 years ago
Fair point. I was thinking about an in home aid, which my partner did for 7+ years with developmentally impaired adults. It was rarely dangerous and the employees were prepared for each unique client, which they could spend years with if they chose to stay. The lack of professional training is not ideal nor fair to either party, but neither this is world we live in and those folks need aids who care. If you want to mostly hang out with folks and make a meaningful impact this would be a way to do that.
HeartyBeast 0 points 3 years ago
You don't want to make the world just a little bit better for the people around you? To contribute something to society?
Azzu 1 point 3 years ago
Who says I don't? Just nothing I do can be turned into a job that pays enough money to live. I don't want to be doing one thing for more than 5-10 hours a week, and I want to do many different things, not stick with one for very long.
I've created open source software. I've written guides for games. I've helped countless people with their problems, online and offline. All my friends would say I'm valuable to them, those are part of "society". I'm constantly making myself better, more knowledgeable, I am part of society, by improving myself I improve society.
None of this is any job that pays any money.
HeartyBeast 1 point 3 years ago
Sounds like you want to be self-employed
Nemo 0 points 3 years ago
Your problem is twofold: One, that you've bought into the idea that only paid work is meaningful, a destructive paradigm rooted in misogyny; and B, it's not that you don't like work, you just don't like responsibility. Which, okay, but avoiding it is still pretty immature. And maybe you're young, and being a dilletante is fine for now, but for your own sake you shouldn't aspire to make it a lifelong pattern.
The_v 7 points 3 years ago
FYI This is the majority of the workforce. They have to work in order to do other things that are not paid. The are not interested in self improvement, climbing the social ladder, kissing ass etc. They want to do a job that doesn't suck, get paid a fair wage, and work a fair number of hours so they can do the things they actually enjoy.
These are the people that drive human society. The most valuable portion that maintains our existence.
Azzu 1 point 3 years ago
Who says I don't do these things? Can you turn making art into a job if you want to do it for a few hours each month and aren't particularly good? Can you turn child-raising into a job if you only raise your own? Can you turn "community helping" into a job if you just help whoever you can for small things without any particular qualifications? Does cooking food for myself, family and friends pay anything? Does tending my garden pay anything?
Nemo 1 point 3 years ago
You've bought into the toxic idea that only paid work is real. Raising your own kids is work. Cooking food for your own family is work, growing food for your family is work.
This kind of labor, and much more, is just as real and important as paid labor.
Nepenthe 0 points 3 years ago
I personally would love to do almost all of those things. I wouldn't want to do them as a job. There is an ocean of difference between doing something because it's enjoyable and doing it because if I ever stop for any reason, I will starve to death in a ditch. Tends to kill the fun.
My ideal job would be chilling out as a professional student, splitting my time between large amounts of socializing and various crafting hobbies that are not stressful because my ability to live does not depend on them. Might even take up an instrument. Wouldn't play it for anyone, I just like learning things more than I like anything else. Which is not monetizable.
Barring that, whatever allows me the most time to do so without making me miserable. Beyond the basic amount required to survive, life isn't about money. Life is life.
YoBuckStopsHere 22 points 3 years ago
You are more important than the company, put you and your family first.
If your company doesn't provide a pension plan you have no reason to be loyal and stay.
Telework is an excuse for minimal working. Most remote workers schedule emails, get their work done quickly than spend the work day doing personal work on the clock.
Charisma is more important than performance for career progression.
Favorite employees are typically the easiest to be manipulated and taken advantage of.
YoBuckStopsHere 1 point 3 years ago
From an employer's perspective, they are wasting their money if you work less than the work day. Most employees waste their workdays in the office, stretching out work. One of the reasons why telework is failing is because, after three years, employers finally figured out that their employees are not working the whole day. From their point of view, that means you are unproductive because you could be doing even more and can handle a much larger workload. Employees obviously don't want them to know that.
oce 3 points 3 years ago
So the solution is to get them back to the office so they are forced to spend more time either being slowed down by their environment or pretending to work like before? I don't understand the point. Employees are not going to magically transpose 2h of efficient remote work into 8h of efficient office work. The point of view is irational.
YoBuckStopsHere 3 points 3 years ago
That is one of the benefits, minimal working. If you can get all your work done in half the work day, good for you.
lichtmetzger 3 points 3 years ago
Most remote workers schedule emails, get their work done quickly than spend the work day doing personal work on the clock.
That's the biggest load of bs I've ever read. I work just as hard as my colleagues in the office and I don't clock out after half a day.
YoBuckStopsHere 1 point 3 years ago
Then you are doing it wrong.
lichtmetzger 2 points 3 years ago
Or maybe I respect my boss because he respects me so I don't have a reason to fuck with him.
YoBuckStopsHere 2 points 3 years ago
That is your choice, but your coworkers are getting paid the same and doing a lot less.
dipshit 22 points 3 years ago
Document absoluely everything. Get every agreement in writing. If someone tells you to do something in a meeting, follow it up with an email response confirming the action. Keep a copy of those emails. If it’s not written, it didn’t happen.
shinigamiookamiryuu 2 points 3 years ago
Deducing whether a coworker is liked by all the other coworkers is unfortunately a very overlooked stepped of the hiring process that I wish would be there.
candyman337 17 points 3 years ago
If you're doing more than you're supposed to do, or doing things outside of normal work time, no matter what DOCUMENT IT. If they're a good employer, they'll compensate and reward you, if they're a bad employer you can leave and it'll be easier to update your resume by referencing your own documentation
IWantToFuckSpez 16 points 3 years ago
It’s about who you know. Don’t socially isolate your self even when you are great at your job. Being invisible is a sure fire way to be overlooked when it comes to promotions or a raise. Also being likable means your colleagues will more likely have your back and root for you.
A couple of months ago there was a post on Reddit of a Gen Z person who hated when people would say a simple good morning to them. They rather walk into work, sit down, do their work and go home without talking to anyone. And a lot of other Gen Z people agreed with them. Crazy that they don’t understand how the “game” works, nobody is going to root for you when you act like that. Also no wonder Gen Z is struggling with loneliness.
robotrash 18 points 3 years ago
Let's not start shitting on the next generation, please. We promised to be better, so let's make an attempt at empathy yeah? IDK how old you are but keep in mind they're inheriting a dying planet, late stage capitalism, and in general, hopelessness. I'm very securely in the millennial range and we were also shit on heavily when entering the workforce. Be better.
Custoslibera 6 points 3 years ago
Millennials for the defence of Gen Z gang rise up.
I don’t want Gen Z to kill themselves because they can’t see a future. Protect them at all costs.
robotrash 3 points 3 years ago
We also need them very immediately to vote. We can't count on other millennials, gen x has given up trying and boomers are still voting like it's their job. We need to make sure they vote, IDC who they pick, they just need to be active.
agent_flounder 3 points 3 years ago
That could very well be depression. I certainly don't like dealing with people when depression is getting the upper hand.
NocturnalMorning 15 points 3 years ago
The way we've structured work in the U.S. is a capitalist farce. We've been duped into working our asses off to make someone else who doesn't care about your well-being a large pile of money. So, I get my work done, I don't slack, but, I'm not going to go out of my way to do things for a company that would replace me tomorrow if I got bit by a bus.
NocturnalMorning 4 points 3 years ago
The bad kind, you'll know it when you see them.
shinigamiookamiryuu 2 points 3 years ago
He must live near Totoro’s catbus.
NocturnalMorning 2 points 3 years ago
That was kind of the point. Getting hit by a bus doesn't necessarily kill you, but will put you in the hospital for a long time.
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noughtnaut 3 points 3 years ago
"Good bot human"
I've seen you around on occasion. I wanted to thank you for doing this probably menial task but also ask, out of curiosity, why you're doing it?
Transcriptionist 4 points 3 years ago
I saw a post that said there's a higher than average blind community on Lemmy and few people seemed to provide their own transcriptions. Some do, and I hope to eventually encourage most people to do so, but I figured I'd help out until then.
BananaPeal 14 points 3 years ago
This is why yesterday, after completing double the minimum expected work, I "worked from home" for the last two hours. Meanwhile, there's a senior on the team who did a quarter of the work I did last quarter. And he gets paid more!
Duke_Nukem_1990 14 points 3 years ago
Fuck the company, don't get lured into a feeling of "fAmiLy" or even loyality towards them. Do as little work as possible, get as much money out of them as possible, then switch companies and get a significant pay rise. Rinse and repeat.
LaunchesKayaks 9 points 3 years ago
There's no shame in job hopping if it benefits you
Duke_Nukem_1990 5 points 3 years ago
Exactly my point :)
LaunchesKayaks 4 points 3 years ago
I know so many people who shit on people who job hop. Idk why.
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friendlymessage 13 points 3 years ago
A lot of truth in this thread, albeit too cynical for my taste. Yes, the company as soulless, emotionless entity doesn't care for you. However, your coworkers might, even your boss.
Also, my main take away:
- make sure you know your worth
- make sure the right people know your worth
- make sure the right people know that you know your worth
Dirk 13 points 3 years ago
They're not your friends, even if they act like that.
The management just sees you as expense factor and does not care about you except for how to get the most work done for the least amount of money. Your team leader does not care about you and only cares if their numbers look good. Your colleagues do not care about you and only see you as competition or the idiot they can give their work to.
If someone is nice to you they want something from you not because they like you.
throws_lemy 13 points 3 years ago
Employee : This is the report you asked about
Boss : Good job! Now, I have another task for you..
Employee : ....
Bulletdust 12 points 3 years ago
Find a new job before those new owners take over the business.
einfach_orangensaft 10 points 3 years ago
The money is not worth it if you dont enjoy what you are doing.
nevernevermore 4 points 3 years ago
my mortgage begs to differ.
shinigamiookamiryuu 2 points 3 years ago
You mean there’s nothing you would spend the money on that would give the money value?
Nemo 2 points 3 years ago
I also spent time homeless. Being broke fucking sucks, and it is hard to get out of. I was very lucky to do so and I know that.
But once you're already employed, switching jobs just isn't that hard.
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nevernevermore 10 points 3 years ago
playing the game is a necessary function of corporate work, otherwise it will chew you up and spit you out. you can have autonomy if you've made the right people happy, the rest can get fucked.
Kodemystic 9 points 3 years ago
When Im working hard to get somewhere in the company I get shit from people:
"ThE cOmPaNy dOeSn'T cArE aBoUt YoU...."
Yeaah I fucking know the company doesn't care. But its not like I'm getting a different and better role + a better salary if I just work the bare minimum and give zero shits about everything. In the end some people just work harder for selfish reasons, I doubt its for company loyalty or Love of flowers.
beckie_lane 9 points 3 years ago
HR is there to cover the company ass and not to help you.
Scientician 9 points 3 years ago
To add some positivity... Art is absolutely something you can make money with. It's a struggle and you're going to be poor for most of your early career, but that goes for most jobs. Make art.
xNekoyaki 7 points 3 years ago
Yup. At my last job, I did my best to produce quality work, I got an award for making zero errors in a year, and I was one of the go-to people for new employees to ask for advice. I trained new team members, even while I was still a temp myself. Eventually got told that I was joining the team that dealt with all the escalation emails. I only knew how to work on 2 of the many types of products that went into that folder, but it was mandatory to work every single email that went into that box, 2 hour shift, every email had to be answered by the end of the 2hrs. I also only had a single 30min super quick "training" on how to even answer the emails (really complicated template system, which I still did not understand by the end of it)
I told my manager I wasn't comfortable working in that box, considering they never trained me to work on most of the other products, but she ignored me and said I'd figure it out. Luckily, I only had to do it once, then they delayed my actual start date for that task, until I got laid off (along with most of the rest of my team) 3 months later. YAAAAAAY. :|
lichtmetzger 1 point 3 years ago
Sounds like they needed an excuse to get rid of you easily.
xNekoyaki 3 points 3 years ago
They got rid of my whole team to get rid of me? Lol, I don't think so. The job was mortgage related, and the work volume tanked in 2022, after blowing up in 2020. I was just a barely above minimum wage minion, with no team members under me. I honestly think that along with there not being enough work for all of us, they wanted to eliminate WFH teams.
LilDestructiveSheep 7 points 3 years ago
It is "just a job" - just roll with it and pretend and you're fine.
linearchaos 7 points 3 years ago
You're not interviewing for a job, they're interviewing to be your employer.
shinigamiookamiryuu 7 points 3 years ago
That with the limited number of jobs to accommodate for, changing monetary values and demand for goods and services, natural disasters and game changers, and fluctuating, unpredictable circumstances that change how something plays out, there is nothing about the job force that isn’t fluid and prone to putting you in some kind of shifting interdependent situation, enough that making the job scene a bureaucratic construct was a big mistake and that having career dreams is too oversimplified an expectation. I knew this to an extent but now I know the full scope.
samus12345 6 points 3 years ago
AKA "beating a good horse."
DarkDarkHouse 6 points 3 years ago
If you make your work processes more efficient, you don’t need to tell anyone right away, if at all.
chalupapocalypse 5 points 3 years ago
Companies don't give a fuck about you anymore
chalupapocalypse 3 points 3 years ago
I dunno, people used to stay at one company their whole life, get a pension, good insurance, regular raises...
vandermouche 5 points 3 years ago
There is no such things as the employer will provide a safe working environment. They don't care, it even more true when your safety cost them money.
shinigamiookamiryuu 5 points 3 years ago
It depends on the job type really. If it’s something in the food business, you are in a literal death trap every day in the name of some random person’s sense of taste, but if you’re in a humanity job for example, they can’t afford the mentality that would cause the work scene to not accommodate to you.
vandermouche 2 points 3 years ago
I work in agricultural robotics... Our client develops a new harvesting machine, but is unaware of the real danger of it. My boss just want the things done as fast as possible. This expose us to danger. Not really a robotic cell, not really an agricultural machine, something in between, without any direct regulation to cover it because it is new.
shinigamiookamiryuu 1 point 3 years ago
Sorry about that. Hopefully they fix that and you live somewhere where they'll be able to. In most relatively well-off countries, usually filing a complaint in court does the job.
HobbitFoot 5 points 3 years ago
Just because someone has done a job a while means they do their job well.
owenfromcanada 4 points 3 years ago
"The reward for winning the pie-eating contest is more pie"
squirrel_bear 4 points 3 years ago
Always agree on compensation/salary before starting your work.
captain_aggravated 3 points 3 years ago
Society doesn't deserve it.
potustheplant 15 points 3 years ago
That way you're at work during the week while not doing anything productive for yourself or the company and you then spend your free time actually working for your employer. Great idea.
American_Communist22 -8 points 3 years ago path: 0 2666731, hotness: undefined, score: -8, children: 3
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