There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)

3 years ago by Blaze to c/fediverse

It is probably due to a number of people stopping using their alts after some instance hopping.

Also a few people who came to see how it was, and weren't attracted enough to become regular visitors.

Curious to see at which number we'll stabilize.

Next peak will probably happen after either major features release (e.g. exhaustive mod tools allowing reluctant communities to move from Reddit) or the next Reddit fuck up (e.g. removing old.reddit)

Stats on each server: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list

WoodenBleachers 169 points 3 years ago

Maybe it’s because the content here just isn’t as vast. I’m nkt going back to reddit for awhile, but there’s so little to see on lemmy to me. Despite numerous subscriptions, I see very few memes and far too much political content. Of that political content it’s all the same. Sometimes this place feels like a hive-mind. Not that Reddit wasn’t, but it depended on the sub. Now it’s shaped by instance and everything here just feels stale

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dingus 128 points 3 years ago

I see very few memes and far too much political content. Of that political content it’s all the same.

That's funny because the meme subs still far outpace posting from politics subs for me, and I mostly see memes.

In fact, a few weeks ago, there were lots of complaints in meme comments of how the only thing they saw on the site was memes.

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TwilightVulpine 23 points 3 years ago

Memes may be thriving but niche interest communities can't even get off the ground.

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dingus 37 points 3 years ago

So just like reddit 14 years ago when I first left Digg for greener pastures. When I joined, it was years before my local city subreddit sprang to life, and for years, it had around 1000 active accounts and only now has over 10k accounts.

Man, if the people on reddit back in the day had sat around complaining about lack of content like this, the site would have died. Instead they started making fucking content.

It takes time for communities to grow, and it feels like a lot of the folks who left reddit only ever knew reddit as a ready-made-community filled with thousands of people already. As in, they were latecomers and missed all the slow growth.

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TwilightVulpine 1 point 3 years ago

Well, considering we are in a post about the userbase shrinking maybe the situation is not quite the same.

I also don't have that kind of time and energy to get a whole community running just for the kicks anymore, and I definitely do not appreciate to have the deficiencies of this place thrown on my face as if that's my responsibility. It's not exactly welcoming or motivating.

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WoodenBleachers 13 points 3 years ago

Maybe I need to be on ml then. I feel like world is just full of the same.

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dingus 22 points 3 years ago

I quite like beehaw and their communities, and yeah, you're missing out on those if you're on world, from what I understand. (Fairly sure they're still defederated.)

I personally like lemmy.ml, but I know it's not for everyone, and the admins would prefer to keep it a smaller instance, I think. I'm only here because there weren't as many federated servers three years ago when I made an account.

You also might check out !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone, they flood my feed with good memes.

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UsernameLost 21 points 3 years ago

I blocked 196 because it was just shitty memes being spammed

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Feathercrown 8 points 3 years ago

196 is amazing

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gowan 4 points 3 years ago

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atocci 7 points 3 years ago

Kbin is a nice alternative. Content cycles out of Hot a lot faster on here.

You also get microblogging support on here, so you have access to the Mastodon side of the fediverse as well without having to copy and paste links.

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pgetsos 5 points 3 years ago

Try out Kbin, as well. Personally I have none of the usual Lemmy complaints

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LoopingRiver 4 points 3 years ago

Are there any decent iOS apps for kbin yet? I almost never browse these sites on desktop (hence why I have completely left Reddit since Apollo died).

Currently using Memmy on iOS which is great.

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TrustingZebra 7 points 3 years ago

Even the memes are pretty stale, definitely not dank. Many of these memes are reposts of stuff I saw years ago on Reddit.

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thedrivingcrooner 2 points 3 years ago

Political memes are so stale these days.

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Kichae 42 points 3 years ago

I see very few memes and far too much political content

Where are you even looking? My timeline is flooded with memes all the damn time. They're practically drowning out any posts of value at this point.

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oce 2 points 3 years ago

You should block the meme communities if you dislike it, keep the communities with contributions you like.

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deweydecibel 15 points 3 years ago

Not that Reddit wasn’t, but it depended on the sub. Now it’s shaped by instance and everything here just feels stale

Been saying this for months. No one seems to understand what made reddit grow, and it is ironically very much like /r/place when you get down to it:

Reddit was a singular canvas that all users worked on together. Posts, comments, and voting shaped the site as a whole. The front page of Reddit was the result of it's userbase, and it's userbase was diverse. Because Reddit forced all users, of all backgrounds and ideologies, to exist together in the same space, and work on the same canvas, it created something living and varied.

You may not have ever gotten along with people from a certain subreddit in th comments, but I promise, the two of you worked together at one point to get a post to the front page or a comment to the top, and you didn't even know it. Thos little moments where diametrically opposed people shared a liking of something by how they voted. On the surface, everyone bickered. Under the hood, they were all unknowingly agreeing and cooperating all the time, and that was what powered reddit's engine: it's diverse userbase's activity.

That's why gated communities like Tildes and all these curated instances will never reach Reddit levels: they are starving the engine.

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ShittyKopper 6 points 3 years ago

That’s why gated communities like Tildes and all these curated instances will never reach Reddit levels: they are starving the engine.

The phrasing here kinda implies this is a bad thing and everyone should be focused on 🚀 constant growth 🚀.

Tildes in particular has an extreme focus on quality over quantity and has some really interesting ideas on moderation (that haven't been implemented due to lack of time on Deimos' part). The site is still considered an alpha after all this time.

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buzziebee 12 points 3 years ago

I think the default activity sort is part of the problem. Sorting by activity means everyone is just looking at and engaging with the same topics for 24 hours or so. There needs to be some "hot" category or something so that new stuff gets churned through a bit more regularly. New is too new, top is even more stale, activity causes things with high activity to stay high. It makes for very samey content.

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Blaze 8 points 3 years ago

Hot exists, doesn't it?

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sure 14 points 3 years ago

In my experience, Active and Hot have been opposite extremes of freshness. Active shows posts that are more than a day old, and Hot shows posts that have no comments and are just a couple of minutes old.

Not to say it's all bad. Your post was just a couple of scrolls down on my feed.

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datavoid 3 points 3 years ago

I vote for sorting by new comments... I'm generally entertained with this setup

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Death2lois 8 points 3 years ago

Have they finally fixed this to not show old posts out of nowhere in the "Hot" feed? I've been avoiding this sorting because of that and hadn't read anything about it being corrected... yet.

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Blaze 6 points 3 years ago

I don't remember if it was fixed in 18.3 or 18.4, but it has been for a while.

Worth giving it a try, even if your instance is still 18.3

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UnpopularBrainRot 5 points 3 years ago

I see very few memes and far too much political content.

This is what is turning me off from lemmy, worst of it I see a lot of shitty political memes, it wasn't this bad at the beginning of the reddit exodus.

And then there isn't seem to be a neutral instance, I was in world and then they banned the piracy community, I moved to lemm.ee and all I see is stupid hexbear posts, I appreciate that they don't defederate willy nilly but Lemmy urgently needs the block instance feature from user level.

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lagomorphlecture 2 points 3 years ago

In the meantime there are some apps that "block" instances. Connect has it, but it doesn't fully block the instance, more like it shows up in the feed with a content warning that the message is from a blocked instance and you can choose to view it if you want. I also do think lemm.ee will defederate from hexbear pretty soon. The admin has had personally horrendous experiences with their users and that meta thread about it was a dumpster fire of hexbear users making unrelated political comments and blocking the actual instance users from having a discussion. It got locked at almost 2000 comments so I'm sure he's still digging through that toxic waste to make his decision.

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Franzia 4 points 3 years ago

Noted! Good feedback.

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ChocoboRocket 2 points 3 years ago

Id love more science, technology, and history posts - but ones that are informative and not exclusively about how global warming will end us all

I'm still not very learned on the fediverse yet, but lemmy is definitely taking up nearly all of my reddit time. Aside from local stuff anything of interest on Reddit (which I check on via browser without signing in) I've seen here first

The less reddit I visit the easier it is to see/feel the bot content they have. I'd rather have 5 real Lemmy comments than the forum sliding formula that makes up 95% of reddit comments.

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dandroid 1 point 3 years ago

Every time I peek into reddit, it's just a dumpster fire of toxic comments screaming at each other with strawman arguments and reeing that videos are fake. It's exhausting.

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TBi 1 point 3 years ago

Every week I see more engagement. It’s great to see the communities grow and to be part of them.

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magic_lobster_party 113 points 3 years ago

The cope is strong. Let’s not pretend fewer active users is a good thing. It just means people are unhappy and are leaving.

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devious 49 points 3 years ago

If the stats are accurate then this is not necessarily due to people being unhappy and leaving as both comments and posts are still stable - indicating that the lower active count are lurkers, duplicates or otherwise non engaging accounts.

https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats

That said, you can come up with statistics to prove anything! Forfty percent of all people know that.

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Gatsby 12 points 3 years ago

duplicates or otherwise non engaging accounts.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if duplicate accounts are a part of this but that seems like it would be a natural part of growing pains for lemmy. The way the fediverse is built would suggest that people who are serious about long-term participation may bounce around a bit. For example, I joined in June but in that time I still managed to test out two other instances before settling on a third that seemed to strike the ideal balance between admin policies and reliable uptime to suit my needs.

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Blaze 2 points 3 years ago

Good point!

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Rhabuko 34 points 3 years ago

Yup if I hadn't blocked several communities from appearing constantly in my feed, I would leave too.

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Nutterthebutter 24 points 3 years ago

Right. Everything negative about Lemmy is being turned into a positive for some reason. Truth is this is still a difficult concept for a lot of people to get on board with and the overall reliability of instances leaves much to be desired. All we need to do is continue to contribute and see what takes off.

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Kolanaki 14 points 3 years ago

But just remember: Some of those people that are not staying are the types of people you wouldn't want to interact with anyway. If the roughly 10k people who quit were Nazis (for example), it's a good thing.

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arefx 16 points 3 years ago

But they obviously aren't all Nazis

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Gatsby 8 points 3 years ago

Hmm... I think we need to conduct some exit interviews to gather data before we start making any assumptions.

"Hello, you have selected 'Delete Account' is this because you are a Nazi?"

Y/N (circle one)

"You have selected 'no' and yet you still wish to delete your account? Why are you lying about not being a Nazi then?"

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rwtwm 6 points 3 years ago

About as useful as the 'have you ever or are you planning to participate in a genocide' tickbox on immigration forms.

Although there's a troubling part of me that worries that Nazism has been normalised enough that people would willingly say yes.

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spaduf 5 points 3 years ago

Exploding heads is literally shutting down. So he may have a point.

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Blaze 11 points 3 years ago

As I said in a comment below, I would like this to be a signal for interest groups to choose one of the dozens communities they have, stick to one and make it grow.

Looking at gaming or books, always seems detrimental to have the . world, .ml, .sh.itjust.works and so on with the same content posted everywhere.

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WoodenBleachers -1 points 3 years ago

Almost like there should be one central hub… that’s what Reddit did right

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Blaze 4 points 3 years ago

There doesn't need to be one central hub, more like a few core communities

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pgetsos 4 points 3 years ago

Having android related communities be on one, specific instance has done wonders for the community imho

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squidzorz 87 points 3 years ago

I'm getting pretty tired of the obvious "Big tech company bad, Twitter dead, Linux good" bias that Lemmy seems to have. It's definitely decreased my usage over the last week or two. I guess it kind of comes with the territory given Lemmy is a more complicated platform that will naturally attract more tech-oriented users, but it's still getting super old seeing the same flavor posts every single day.

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sheogorath 28 points 3 years ago

The biggest issue for me is the stale posts keep showing on my feed. Either the posts are too old, or it's too new with low engagement. I think the sweet spot for me is when a post is in its 1/3 of its lifecycle. Already got a discussion going but not too far that I can't engage meaningfully.

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charlytune 9 points 3 years ago

I find sorting by 'Top' either 6 hours or 12 hours helps me see new posts I've not seen that have decent engagement

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Myro 2 points 3 years ago

What's annoying as well is that if you browse Everything, there's bots reposting stuff from reddit at the same time, so posts from certain communities are all clumped together.

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JackbyDev 1 point 3 years ago

Just block those bots lol

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Prethoryn 11 points 3 years ago

This is exactly my issue with Lemmy in all honesty.

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FoxBJK 10 points 3 years ago

“Big tech company bad, Twitter dead, Linux good”

Add Firefox in there and yes I've seen this everywhere. So many posts about browser news or the web that just devolves into a circlejerk about how great Firefox is.

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bugsmith 13 points 3 years ago

I get it with the others, but given what Google is currently trying to do with Chrome and the open web, I think the Firefox evangelism is the least sinful of these by far. Or maybe I just became part of the problem.

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FoxBJK 3 points 3 years ago

It's not inherently bad, I don't even disagree with it. It's just that (A) we all get it, enough already and (B) the open web is about letting people use whichever browser they want, so it's kinda paradoxical that we all say we should all be using the same browser

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bugsmith 5 points 3 years ago

It's not even that these evangelizers think we should all be using the same browser. It's that there are currently only two realistic choices: Chrome (and it's derivatives) and Firefox (and it's derivatives). There is safari too, of course, but it hardly compares to either in it's current state.

Given those two choices, only one of them is in support of the open web. The other is literally trying to add DRM to the web.

As to your first point: I agree that here it may be preaching to the choir and that we all get it. But it has such a small marketshare, I'm not sure it is good for those encouraging it to be quitened.

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Sunforged 8 points 3 years ago

Post more my dude. Start the conversations you want to see.

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Robust_Mirror 7 points 3 years ago

I browse social media to find new ideas that I can't think of.

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PutangInaMo 4 points 3 years ago

Yeah but it's like screaming into the void sometimes. You just hope more people somehow discover the community. A lot of my interesting communities are pretty much dead now, so I just subbed to a bunch of porn and get on here once a day to look at boobs.

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Rhabuko 6 points 3 years ago

I agree. The FOSS movement is its own subculture that can be pretty preachy and annoying for outside people.

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pexavc 4 points 3 years ago

Opinions definitely feel stronger on lemmy, with a sense of judgement roaming around. But, for what it is worth, I found it lead to some actual discussions that I rarely find on other sites.

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gammasfor 3 points 3 years ago

Also let's not forget the Hexbear "Russia is good actually" posts.

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uglyduckling81 -5 points 3 years ago

Don't forget the hardcore left wing echo chamber... Oh wait that was Reddit as well.

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Sir_Kevin 84 points 3 years ago

lemmy.world being down half the time probably made a lot of people think that this platform is trash and left.

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TheMadnessKing 25 points 3 years ago

The number of times Lemmy.world was down made it unusable for me to use. Switched to Lemdro.id and it's so much better now.

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Rambi 19 points 3 years ago

I am on Lemm.ee and haven't had a single issue

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BallsInTheShredder 8 points 3 years ago

Tbh it did affect me, I had just joined and it was out often, & it seemed like a hassle (being new) to find and join new instances or w/e especially when I had to create a new account for every one. Didn't necessarily think it was trash just buggy and unreliable especially for that to be happening during such a big migration (after Reddit changed the api's)

Idk it's nice here but that did reduce my usage. Something that I'm new on being down for a day or two means I'm less likely to use it the next day and incorporate it into my daily routine

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Turun 3 points 3 years ago

You probably figured it out by now, but you don't need to create a new account for every instance. You can just go to www.yourinstance.com/c/community@otherinstance.com and comment or subscribe there.

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Dirk 7 points 3 years ago

lemmy.ml was also down recently for half a day or so. But lemmy.ml was never knwon for being reliable, even it it works fine since some time now.

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JTheDoc 6 points 3 years ago

I think a good third of what I have typed or posted so far on Lemmy has never succeeded as submitting them would cause it to stop responding and never compete. Refreshing will bring the page back up and allow me comment, but it'll not work most the time.

Their downtime has been pretty severe... growing pains, I get it, but it's not just that.

After several attempts at retyping it all, then trying to copy and paste to try to post again just got to me a bit. It's taking a lot out of me as I'm personally struggling in life to try to communicate with people, with it being flakey all the time, it's feels like when you have to repeat yourself, then just give up.

It's a shame because I wanted to post in me communities, but I couldn't. I keep seeing "View reply" on my comments, but they frequently never load or just vanish. I do wonder if they're broken/incomplete replies.

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TimewornTraveler 6 points 3 years ago

you should have left lemmy.world a month ago. those issues dont happen elsewhere

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JTheDoc 2 points 3 years ago

You are definitely right that it's not that common an occurrence on the other instances. But yes, I should have clarified these issues are with lemmy.world.

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Blaze 4 points 3 years ago

You should probably move instance.

https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim can be useful

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provomeister 76 points 3 years ago

Switching between "Active" and "Top [1h/6h/12h]" at different times of the day has provided me with enough content & interactions to make Lemmy my new home. I always was a lurker on the old site, no comment nor post, not even an account. Now, I'm slowly trying to break from this habit. Being on Lemmy feels like I'm not shouting in the void; when a platform gets too big, you get lost in the crowd. It's always nice to see recurring usernames on different communities.

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Oppawaifu 70 points 3 years ago

There is no infinite doomscroll on Lemmy and that's what I used to do on Reddit. Now, I just read the top headlines and touch grass :)

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lagomorphlecture 22 points 3 years ago

The reason I'm still here instead of there is that I absolutely can't use their official app. I just can't. It's so awful. Lemmy isn't perfect but at least it isn't that. So I do spend less time doom scrolling and that's probably good for me.

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flancian 0 points 3 years ago

@lagomorphlecture @Oppawaifu what is the best lemmy client you think? or overall [[fediverse]] client?

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lagomorphlecture 5 points 3 years ago

Client as in app? I go back and forth between Connect and Voyager. They both have some benefits and drawbacks but overall I really just want something super simple and plain. I used RIF for so long and it was just to the point and functional. I never had a single issue with it. The lemmy apps will improve though. They've been developed fastly and furiously (haha) but it usually takes a little more time to put something together that's really good.

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TrustingZebra 5 points 3 years ago

Yep a month ago the only Lemmy app was Jerboa. Now there are so many and they keep improving. My favorite right now is Liftoff.

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Blaze 3 points 3 years ago

Interesting to see you don't like Sync (I don't either, but people seem to like it overall)

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TwilightVulpine 15 points 3 years ago

There is a middle ground between "infinite doomscrolling" and just barren. I miss a lot of communities I used to browse on Reddit and they aren't taking roots here. Losing more people isn't a good sign.

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gamma 3 points 3 years ago

Yep, I'm finding about half of my Reddit usage satisfied. I've got all the technical talk I want, but no gaming or writing communities.

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Blaze 2 points 3 years ago

!keepwriting@lemmy.world ?

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Blaze 2 points 3 years ago

What are those communities you miss?

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TwilightVulpine 6 points 3 years ago

A variety of fandom and franchise-based communities, some artistic communities, some more specific sub-communities like Patient Gamers which exists but it's pretty slow.

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QuinceDaPence 3 points 3 years ago

Patient Gamers which exists but it’s pretty slow.

Sounds about right

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RickyRigatoni 7 points 3 years ago

That will change soon enough.

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quellik 6 points 3 years ago

Same here, I actually have a much healthier relationship with social media when on Lemmy vs Reddit. That might change as Lemmy grows in user content but for now I’ll enjoy the quieter experience

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intelati 4 points 3 years ago

Precisely. And maybe bring the grass to Lemmy a little bit

E: see my posts

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kratoz29 3 points 3 years ago

I agree, I finish up my daily feed (at the moment I am subscribed to 628 communities).

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MargotRobbie 69 points 3 years ago

And at the beginning everyone was worried about "Eternal September". It's only been two months.

People will come in waves, instances and communities will grow and die, just like how it was on reddit, we'll probably start seeing meme/politics free or even more specialized instances soon. But all of this is going to take time.

The turning point will be when companies/websites start spinning up their own Lemmy instances as their official one to replace their forums, which I think will happen.

So, being on Lemmy is a long term investment for me.

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Blaze 23 points 3 years ago

Same for me, good to still see you around

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MargotRobbie 18 points 3 years ago

Hopefully this works out, gotta get that first mover advantage in, then Lemmy's only real celebrity will be recognized as the marketing genius that she is. :)

I like Lemmy better when it's when it's nicer and quieter a month ago honestly.

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Wahots 6 points 3 years ago

Are you the actual Margot Robbie? Seen your profile before, but just assumed it was someone who liked them and was capitalizing on the movie.

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Blaze 18 points 3 years ago

If Margot Robbie were to be here, we would have 50x more people around

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MargotRobbie 18 points 3 years ago

Well, the movie promotion ended early due to the strike, so I'm just shitposting and having fun here now.

It's good to keep plausibile deniability. I don't want to get bad PR in case things don't work out.

No one will ever believe you anyways.

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cubedsteaks 1 point 3 years ago

No, they're the mod of an android comm on here so obviously not her. I think the roleplayers from back in the LiveJournal days are showing up here cause you can still grab newish usernames to impersonate someone.

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Blaze 4 points 3 years ago

Ha ha :)

Same feeling here, browsing All now is cumbersome due to the low quality of the average content dropping

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MargotRobbie 7 points 3 years ago

Yeah, so that's why I'm expecting way more alt hopping and defederations and people splitting into smaller groups soon until everything finally settles.

One of advantage of the fediverse honestly that it prevents powertripping mods, since it's so easy to move to another community on the same topic on a different instance with different admins and mods, and while a person can be banned off a particular comm or instance, they can't be banned from Lemmy as a whole, so reputation matters a lot more right now when everybody kinda knows each other here.

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Dark_Arc 4 points 3 years ago

Yeah, lemmy seems like a great alternative to discourse.

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FoxBJK 1 point 3 years ago

The turning point will be when companies/websites start spinning up their own Lemmy instances as their official one to replace their forums, which I think will happen.

I don't know if this is going to happen, and to be honest I hope it doesn't. Lemmy is not designed to be a forum and shouldn't try to be used as a replacement for one.

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regalia 68 points 3 years ago

It always dies down after the initial hype. It seems pretty stable now. Compare it to pre-exodus and it is still like hundreds of times more popular then before.

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isthingoneventhis 33 points 3 years ago

It honestly feels nice because the activity feels human and not just spammy low-effort comments 0:

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SupraMario 16 points 3 years ago

This is one of the main things keeping a lot of us around I think. It's not just repost bots of shit I've seen 5 times in a month.

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regalia 19 points 3 years ago

Yeah, still we lack variety because our algo doesn't do a good job of promoting smaller communities. I'd like a lot more niche subs get more popular rather then our few dozen or so that have gotten big, which is still a good thing don't get me wrong.

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m4xie 6 points 3 years ago

https://feddit.nl/c/trendingcommunities is pretty useful!

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SupraMario 5 points 3 years ago

That I agree with, the other thing that kills me is multiple communities of the same topic just in different servers.

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strypey 1 point 3 years ago

@regalia
> our algo doesn’t do a good job of promoting smaller communities

Lemmy has an algo for that?

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isthingoneventhis 7 points 3 years ago

V true. I will say seeing the same post across 5 instances does make me feel like I'm going crazy sometimes so I guess it's a tradeoff xD

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azimir 8 points 3 years ago

I feel that you underestimate how stubborn I can be with low effort comments. I've been making off color, not particularly funny attempted witty comebacks on BBSes, the Internet, and then the World Wide Web for longer than... Oh, it's been since the early 90's now. Lemmy is the latest stomping grounds and I'm not giving up here just yet.

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ColeSloth 11 points 3 years ago

Been a little hard to get used to, but I've mostly transitioned over from reddit, like I went to it from Digg.

Been using the Connect apk for my phone and everything seems pretty nice with it.

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Polar 54 points 3 years ago

I dropped off because I am unbelievably sick of seeing the same thing posted across 20 different communities. No matter which sort I am using, my front page is CLUTTERED with the same crap.

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TheImplication 14 points 3 years ago

Trump, Trump, Elon, shitty meme, trump, Elon, Elon, capitalism bad, shitty meme.

Repeat

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Patches 9 points 3 years ago

You forgot "Fuck Cars". Just buy a bike you prick. It's only a 15 mile trek down a gravel road with no sidewalk.

"I can't believe how selfish you are."

"Just move"

"Everyone should live in this very tiny city that has good public transportation"

"Just don't have kids so you won't need to transport them" (Even if you already have them. Just go back in time and don't because cars are bad. O K.)

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CthulhuOnIce 9 points 3 years ago

There should be an option for communities to form unions between them of some sort, or at least a client-side option to combine communities into a single big one

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Die4Ever 6 points 3 years ago

more discussion about this https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/818

and https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1113

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Sunforged 6 points 3 years ago

Never really had that issue. Are you referring to you sub feed or all? If the issue is all maybe start blocking the duplicates that you deem unworthy of your time.

The lack or rudimentary algorithms lemmy has compared to corporate social media is both good and bad. Less dopamine/doom scrolling but you also have to curate the feed a bit to make it work for you.

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Blaze 3 points 3 years ago

That makes sense, thank you for your feedback

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interdimensionalmeme 47 points 3 years ago

There are many fatal problems on Lemmy, worst of all is you can't click this link /c/books and see every /c/book on every Lemmy instance of the fediverse. This is out of convenience to moderators and it is killing Lemmy. One people figure out communities only exist on a single instance, the promise of federation is broken and they fuck off.

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JackbyDev 4 points 3 years ago

Why do you think communities with the same name will have the same content?

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interdimensionalmeme 1 point 3 years ago

They don't but they get aglomerated together anyway for having the same name . The community is the whole, which specific instance is hosting a particular /c/book post doesn't matter. That it is on /c/book is what matters, not that it is on Lemmy.world

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JackbyDev 1 point 3 years ago

But just because !books@lemmy.world hypothetically exists doesn't mean !books@programming.dev or !books@ttrpg.network have similar enough content. You can already view these communities from any instance. You're essentially trying to apply something like federation on top of something already being federated. They can all have very different rules and different content.

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interdimensionalmeme 0 points 3 years ago

If people have to hunt each post storage location individually, then it will be as if they don't exist to 99.99% users. What will happen is there will be one big one, and they most likely be all on the big instance, and federation becomes just a weird thing that does nothing because functionally that will be just like Reddit. Centralized servers, centralized servers under the control of a tiny priesthood.

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Kushia 3 points 3 years ago

I would love to see something like this where it shows you content from communities with the same name across whatever your server is federated with.

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Blaze 2 points 3 years ago

Good point indeed

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meldroc 5 points 3 years ago

Having multi-communities, akin to multireddits, would be handy.

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Die4Ever 1 point 3 years ago

discussion about that here https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/818

and https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1113

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interdimensionalmeme 2 points 3 years ago

See https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3033 It's won'tfix/notabug

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stalinblows 2 points 3 years ago

There is no way for a user to block whole instances, there is no way to know if you've been banned from a community or instance, it's extremely easy for people to evade bans and blocks, you can't make private communities, armies of extremists are brigading other instances and they're exploiting Lemmy's flaws to do it, the list goes on and on.

Lemmy blows, but give the rubes time. They'll figure it out.

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wanderingmagus 3 points 3 years ago

There's instance-wide blocking on the Connect for Lemmy app, including the option to block everything or only block the communities of that instance and not users. You can make a private community by not federating with anyone on a private instance.

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bitsplease 1 point 3 years ago

does this also block comments, or only posts? Sync has a similar feature, but only for posts, once inside a post you're still subjected to their comments. Which for troll communities is honestly the worst part

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wanderingmagus 1 point 3 years ago

Connect for Lemmy has an option for blocking both. The comment still shows, but as "blocked by filter", which hides the content until clicked on, and can be re-hid.

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CoderKat 1 point 3 years ago

IMO ideally there'd be two separate options. I want to block stuff like foreign language instances or some niche instances so that I don't see communities hosted on them, but I don't want to block the users from those instances when they post in other communities.

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stalinblows 1 point 3 years ago

Those are just cop-outs. They need to be hard-coded features on the original Lemmy app. If we have to rely on third-party apps for it, we can and should just use another fediverse app entirely.

I hope someone forks Lemmy at some point.

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interdimensionalmeme -2 points 3 years ago

That's a trivial problem to fix client side. Same as any regular spam filter. If Lemmy gives that power server side to be moderators instead of clients, then Lemmy will become a North Korea style dictatorship like Reddit.

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itadakimasu 47 points 3 years ago

JFC there's only 60k of us? And that's a good thing? 😳

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Tudou 43 points 3 years ago

It does explain why all the niche communities I visit have gone from quiet to abandoned.

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spaduf 22 points 3 years ago

That and the sorting at this time really doesn't allow for niche communities to grow.

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cybermass 19 points 3 years ago

This is one of the biggest issues with Lemmy right now.

I'm gonna keep holding out cause I hope that Lemmy will have improvements like sorting algorithms and mod tools and such, users have stabilized.

If the users keep going down I might have to go back to Reddit, a man can only laugh at the same Linux meme so many times.

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cubedsteaks 12 points 3 years ago

Same and I hate that I would have to go back to reddit. I like that I can have decent conversations here but I also miss being able to talk about niche shows I like and quote things with people. The niche interests that Reddit offers isn't really on Lemmy.

Like I'm also no longer keeping up with my favorite radio show cause they have a sub Reddit and the people who listen to that show, aren't the kind of people who can just switch over to Lemmy. They don't know the first thing about changing platforms.

I already talked to someone else on here on providing my own content and being the change I want to see. But I've found so many communities where its just one person posting into the void and there's lots of posts from like a month ago and zero comments on every single one. Some communities seem to be just people posting news links to other sites. Which makes Lemmy seem like a directory- not a community.

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Kushan 41 points 3 years ago

Yeah, it's not a good thing and I'm getting sick of people on here trying to gaslight themselves into thinking it is. The same people saying that this is good are also mocking X and threads for losing users. Nobody's claiming that's good for those platforms.

We want growth, more users and more instances is better for Lemmy overall.i don't buy this arguments of "people are just not using their alts", I mean fuck off, that statement was pulled from OP's arse with nothing to back it up.

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Lucia 23 points 3 years ago

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Kushan 2 points 3 years ago

A slower growth trend would be "natural" as you describe it, but a drop in users should only be concerning at this stage, especially as the platform is still so young. Even a small amount of growth is still growth but a decline in users means more people are leaving the platform than joining it.

Again, you're pulling explanations out of thin air - go ahead and prove that those users are switching to kbin over lemmy, use some data to back up your claim.

Or accept that we have a problem with adoption and as a community we need to fix it.

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prole 8 points 3 years ago

A decline seems natural. Of course there are many people who came to lemmy to check it out, and not all of them stuck with it. That is to be expected, no?

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Lucia 8 points 3 years ago

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cubedsteaks 3 points 3 years ago

Okay but how do we fix it? Are we allowed to solicit on reddit just to get people here? Are Lemmy users even getting the word out about Lemmy?

This isn't exactly the easiest platform to use. The term "instances" is probably intimidating to the average reddit user who has to do nothing more than type "reddit.com" to get to where they need to be.

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patatahooligan 10 points 3 years ago

The same people saying that this is good are also mocking X and threads for losing users.

These are not comparable. X and threads are businesses which maximize their profits by making their platform as big as possible. That is not true for Lemmy and even if it were, the average user does not care about the platform's profits. So you can in fact make fun of the failures of big companies while being happy being part of a much smaller platform.

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Rambi 7 points 3 years ago

Also Lemmy is becoming a larger platform and Twitter- or "X"- is becoming a smaller platform. Sure total users might be down since right after the Exodus but that is obviously normal, a new baseline will be established that's still significantly above the pre Exodus baseline. Then reddit inc will do something else stupid and people on the site will be talking about Lemmy again.

I think there's positives and negatives to having a small platform, and there's positives and negatives to having a larger platform. With a smaller platform, the quality of the comments in general is much higher with less low effort jokes which usually you've already read 500 times. With larger platforms, the smaller communities are much more active because there's a larger pool to draw those people with niche interests from.

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Die4Ever 3 points 3 years ago

and people on the site will be talking about Lemmy again

honestly I wonder if it would be more effective to be talking about lemm.ee, sh.itjust.works, compuverse.uk, beehaw.org... pretending they're just their own things and not talking about Lemmy or Federation or anything like that

might be good to get some users to just signup to the given instance, and slowly realize they're actually communicating with people from many servers and now they're in the rabbit hole lol

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Kushan 3 points 3 years ago

The average user cares about the health and quality of the platform though and a declining user-base is not good for either of those.

Sure, we don't want to be flooded with millions of users either but that's because we have a distinct lack of mod tools and features to deal with it. The solution is better tools and better ways of handling those users, not to keep the platform isolated and haemorrhaging users.

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Blaze -2 points 3 years ago

Do you need to be so agressive?

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Maalus 3 points 3 years ago

I mean, if you are saying the sky isn't blue, why not? A drop in users is a bad thing. Lemmy needs people and it needs content. This smells of the "good for bitcoin" meme all over again.

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Blaze 1 point 3 years ago

I edited because it seems it was too controversial, but anyway.

I commented saying that this should probably be a signal for people to start focusing on a few core communities instead of spreading like crazy.

It seemed that people were thinking that users would magically come to every community and make them active, but we are seeing the opposite. Which for me was a good thing because it would make people realize platform growth doesn't happen magically.

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NuPNuA 19 points 3 years ago

Some subs on Reddit were practically unusable due to the amount of users and the noise they created. Especially if you weren't in an American timezone so missed the early chatter before everyone piled on. I've come to appreciate less users being here.

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Peppycito 12 points 3 years ago

There's a happy medium between sitting in an empty bar and eternal summer.

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CoderKat 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah, especially since you could have smaller, niche subs on Reddit, but those largely don't work here. The niche subs were some of my favourite.

There's also some niche subs that need the site to be popular. Eg, AITA or BestOfLegalAdvice (which required LegalAdvice to be mainstream).

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cubedsteaks 2 points 3 years ago

Exactly. More people need to understand that this isn't a black and white issue. We need that happy medium.

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Lucia 18 points 3 years ago

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hitmyspot 16 points 3 years ago

Yes, but larger variety of active communities is better overall.

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Lucia 4 points 3 years ago

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EssentialCoffee 2 points 3 years ago

Depends. My main community on Reddit was effectively a link aggregate for a niche hobby that's well over a million subscribers at this point. And when the reddit blackout happened, it became extremely clear that there isn't another community out there that aggregates just as much content as they have there.

Lemmy just doesn't have the tools in terms of tagging and wiki to be able to replace what they've got yet.

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Lucia 1 point 3 years ago

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ToucheGoodSir 12 points 3 years ago

If we had been 60,000 strong at Helmsdeep, Rohan would have fallen

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wahming 1 point 3 years ago

But how many MAU did Rohan have?

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strypey 4 points 3 years ago

@itadakimasu
> there’s only 60k of us? And that’s a good thing?

A centralised platform is a numbers game. The money for upgrading servers for growth has to come from one company, and if the platform shrinks it gets harder to get a return on that spending.

It just doesn't matter as much in a federated network. The cost of growth is spread across many servers. Some of which will end up shutting down, for a range of reasons. But others have room for growth.

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@Blaze @Kushan @patatahooligan

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strypey 6 points 3 years ago

@itadakimasu
Plus, the Lemmy servers are part of a much larger network; the fediverse. Not just other forum apps like KBin either. Right now I'm replying to this from Mastodon.

I have an alt on a .nz Lemmy server, but haven't got into the habit of using it yet. So at least some of the perceived shrinkage *is* due to that, rather than any failure of the network. Also due to spam and troll accounts being purged.

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@Blaze @Kushan @patatahooligan

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Rambi 2 points 3 years ago

Sorry this is unrelated, but how come your username says @null? Just curious

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Atemu 2 points 3 years ago

For me it says @strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz, not @null. Clicking on your comment's Fediverse button to take me to your instance still shows the same.

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strypey 1 point 3 years ago

@Rambi
> but how come your username says @null?

No idea. Maybe a bug in your app? Maybe something to do with the fact I'm posting from a Mastodon server rather than Lemmy server?

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imgonnatrythis 45 points 3 years ago

Pretty sure it's going to just be like 12 of us. If the third party app thing on reddit didn't drive users here, unfortunately I don't think anything else will. At this point if you are already content with the reddit app it's going to be a hard sell to say, yeah come check out Lemmy, it's like reddit but if you have a question about your sick betta fish instead of getting a helpful answer in a few minutes, you need to first create a betta fish community, then go back on reddit and recruit users to your Lemmy community. Post content on it daily to maintain interest, and then, if you are really lucky, ask your question and wait a few months and maybe if your fish is still alive (doubtful), you might get a response, but it will probably be just be an anticapitalist shit-post. I'm sorry to say it is this way, but this be the way that it is.

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Blaze 7 points 3 years ago

12 of us

I'm fine with 12 of us if everyone is active.

Hopefully by then we'll have a few active communities and not hundreds of ghost towns like now

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itadakimasu 4 points 3 years ago

Bruh. I'm in group chats with people I know IRL with more than 12 people.

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Blaze 2 points 3 years ago

Bring them here!

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PP_BOY_ 5 points 3 years ago

Summed up my feelings too. Reddit's larger communities were trash, but for really specific questions, it was unbeatable. Not to mention the fact that most Lemmy pages are either tech-related or tankie propaganda. There's very little in the way of active hobby/lifestyle boards so unless you're in either a nerd (non-derogatory) or a communist (derogatory), Lemmy's not got much going on for you

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Blaze 2 points 3 years ago

There’s very little in the way of active hobby/lifestyle boards so unless you’re in either a nerd (non-derogatory) or a communist (derogatory), Lemmy’s not got much going on for you

So true.

I have been trying to revive !personalfinance@lemmy.ml , !casualconversation@lemmy.world , even !parenting@lemmy.world but it feels a lot like shouting into the abyss.

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PP_BOY_ 2 points 3 years ago

There's a bunch of really niche subs I used to be on. Finding info on some of my old cars has been a bitch since I cut out reddit but it's taught me a lot about self-reliance haha

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UncleGrandPa 4 points 3 years ago

Well, i am here directly due to reddit policy changes. The loss of a viable mobile option forced me here. I can't believe I am not an average case. I am enjoying this experience so far and will definitely spread the word. But i will continue to use reddit on the computer... I am surprised that there are only 60,000 of us here though.

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olafurp 43 points 3 years ago

These numbers are not descriptive. Check out the daily stats.

Active users per day has already stabilised.
Active users half year is still climbing so we have people coming in.
Shitposts per day are growing exponentially.
People are still leaving from the Reddit influx. Lemmy just wasn't for them.

Source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/... Daily stats lemmy

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Blaze 15 points 3 years ago

Active users half year is still climbing so we have people coming in.

If people were coming in, shouldn't the monthly active users increase as well?

If the MAU is decreasing, it means that we are losing more people than people joining. On your graph, the MAU trend is clearly decreasing.

Maybe I'm missing something?

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olafurp 12 points 3 years ago

People are going out faster than they're coming in.

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shagie 7 points 3 years ago

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spaduf 39 points 3 years ago

Regardless of where the loss in users is coming from the major takeaway here is that we are firmly in a reinvestment phase. This will likely last until Reddit does something stupid related to the IPO but in the absence of that we will probably not see a significant uptick in growth again without major improvements to the threadiverse as a whole. That means that those of us who are personally invested in the growth of the threadiverse should be taking this time to develop the tools and features necessary to weather the next wave more gracefully than the last.

One of the biggest issue I see here is still community growth. Growing certain communities is significantly harder than others and if you don't have a lot of crossposting potential it can be damn near impossible. As it stands, I do not see a way to fix this situation without a hot and active ranking system that takes into account the number of users active in the particular community. As part of a change like this I think we would be best served by consolidating a significant portion of the small dead communities. I think we should also strongly prefer specialized instances like lemmy.film or literature.cafe to truly take advantage of the special attention these sorts of instances are capable of providing particular topics. As it stands only a handful of them have enough broader threadiverse activity to be truly useful.

Another thing I would like to suggest is a change in recruitment strategy. At this point it seems like we are unlikely to pull a significant amount of users from Reddit without more reddit-policy-driven migration, but there are tons of highly educated and engaged users over on Mastodon that would make serious positive contributions to the tone and quality of the discourse over here. For some reason there seems to be minimal overlap between the two communities and that blows my mind. Not only that but I actively see folks disparaging Mastodon in fediverse related communities on a regular basis (and even sometimes in the Mastodon communities themselves). As far as I can tell, these are largely lingering sentiments from a Reddit/Twitter dichotomy. Remember, as things develop the lines between threaded social media and microblogging are likely to blur. A significant number of Mastodon apps already provide a threaded view and one of kbins explicit goals is very much to bridge the gap. With this in mind, Mastodon (and federated microblogging more generally) seems like the best source for new potential users.

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Blaze 10 points 3 years ago

I think we should also strongly prefer specialized instances like lemmy.film or literature.cafe to truly take advantage of the special attention these sorts of instances are capable of providing particular topics.

Definitely

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ShittyKopper 7 points 3 years ago

Another thing I would like to suggest is a change in recruitment strategy. At this point it seems like we are unlikely to pull a significant amount of users from Reddit without more reddit-policy-driven migration, but there are tons of highly educated and engaged users over on Mastodon that would make serious positive contributions to the tone and quality of the discourse over here. For some reason there seems to be minimal overlap between the two communities and that blows my mind. Not only that but I actively see folks disparaging Mastodon in fediverse related communities on a regular basis (and even sometimes in the Mastodon communities themselves). As far as I can tell, these are largely lingering sentiments from a Reddit/Twitter dichotomy. Remember, as things develop the lines between threaded social media and microblogging are likely to blur. A significant number of Mastodon apps already provide a threaded view and one of kbins explicit goals is very much to bridge the gap. With this in mind, Mastodon (and federated microblogging more generally) seems like the best source for new potential users.

A thing to look out for is that the microblog fedi (outside the big handful of instances that fill .world's role there) is strongly in favor of stricter instance-level moderation compared to the more "individualistic" view a lot of the Reddit migratees tend to have. If we want people from the microblog fedi to participate we (collectively) need to up our moderation game. (And in my personal opinion instances like .world have grown too large to accomodate any reasonable expectation of moderation, except for select individual communities set up there)

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Die4Ever 3 points 3 years ago

stricter instance-level moderation compared to the more “individualistic” view

I definitely think letting users block posts and/or comments from specific instances is way better than full defederation (maybe the instance admin could set a default block list for new users)

but now I'm thinking maybe communities should be able to block instances too

found a feature request for it https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3022

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ALostInquirer 2 points 3 years ago

If we want people from the microblog fedi to participate we (collectively) need to up our moderation game. (And in my personal opinion instances like .world have grown too large to accomodate any reasonable expectation of moderation, except for select individual communities set up there)

Improved moderation tools would help, however are you familiar with the filtering/muting tools available on Mastodon/Firefish/Misskey? These, coupled with an ability by individual users to block entire instances, help relieve some of the need for more moderators to help by enabling individuals to essentially self-moderate/curate their experiences as desired.

I think both improved moderation and individual filtering/muting tools would help greatly both to encourage microblog folks to join in, and make the experience better for those already here.

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spaduf 1 point 3 years ago

This is a good point. Maybe indicates that recruiting to instances like beehaw.org would be more effective. Once they're here though I think that is exactly the sort of community that would be likely to take on moderator positions.

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lagomorphlecture 7 points 3 years ago

The standard web UI also needs major improvements. Nobody logs in through an app for their first time and first impressions are critical. It needs to be easier to navigate and use without downloading an app so people will stick around long enough to get involved and have a good time.

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spaduf 7 points 3 years ago

I actually think the web ui is fine but we all have our own blindspots. How do you feel about Alexandrite and Photon? I had good initial impressions of Alexandrite but some minor issues with Photon. Instances could just make those defaults.

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Xylight 3 points 3 years ago

What issues did you notice in Photon?

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spaduf 1 point 3 years ago

Oh man this is what I get for running my mouth. I'm not sure if my issues are reproducible or if I can even remember well enough to go about trying to reproduce them. I know that's not very useful and I apologize. I will say that I think a sans serif font option would be nice to have.

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Lyricism6055 1 point 3 years ago

Yeah I am a software dev and was even confused for a bit. Reddit has /r/all and things that make it easier to find subreddits, I still struggle with lemmy sometimes. Sync made it a bit easier, but I wish I could seamlessly browse all instances and their comments under 1 profile

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MBM 7 points 3 years ago

The small comms I'm subscribed to don't show up in any sorting, I have to actually visit them to see there was a new post. I heard the devs are doing something to improve it, so hopefully that'll make small comms more viable

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5redie8 37 points 3 years ago

Bizarrely it feels way more active, the people leaving were never going to contribute anyway and that's fine. It seems to be stabilizing at a good amount of content per day.

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Baizey 15 points 3 years ago

From the statistics that seems to make sense, only total/active users is seeing a drop everything else was still rising at the "normal" rate

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spaduf 4 points 3 years ago

Some of this may also have to do with the user creation exploit that popped up a while back.

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flathead 34 points 3 years ago

Lemmy's new user retention rate is considerably better than Threads.

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Blaze 18 points 3 years ago

Well, in that case the bar is on the ground

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DLSchichtl 27 points 3 years ago

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Prethoryn 13 points 3 years ago

These kinds of comments are why my usage has gone down. There is an inclusive we are different vibe and this mentality that people just shouldn't have an opinion if it doesn't fit the Lemmy opinion. It's just weird.

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DLSchichtl -5 points 3 years ago

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eee 12 points 3 years ago

When you're talking about an Internet forum, yes, more people makes things better.

The magic of reddit is being able to find a community for the most obscure niche interest ever. You can't do that with just a few thousand tech-savvy nerds like us here.

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DLSchichtl -2 points 3 years ago

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eee 1 point 3 years ago

More people does not make a community better. Better people make a community better.

Every community is going to attract good and bad people. With more people there's going to be more good people AND more bad people.

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schema 6 points 3 years ago

Exactly. It's enough active users to have a stream of good content compared to what it was a few month ago. I'm enjoying my time here right now.

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Blaze 27 points 3 years ago

That's a personal opinion, but I would also be happy to see some groups spread on different communities to decide together on one community and make it grow together.

Browsing /all and seeing still another book or gaming community first post always makes me question if that post would not be better used in an established community.

And I know this will happen naturally overtime, I guess sometimes I would just like things to happen a bit faster and on a organized way.

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dingus 19 points 3 years ago

I personally don't mind having multiple communities on different servers because some of these servers go down... a lot.

Makes sense to have "backups" sort of littered throughout the Fediverse, imho. I like seeing what different groups have to say about the subjects, too. Like, a thread will be wildly different on lemmy.world and beehaw.org, because I'm fairly sure beehaw is still defederated with lemmy.world, meaning I'll see very different groups of people on each instance's community.

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Kichae 13 points 3 years ago

It would be nice if servers could be tuned to prioritize locally hosted communities over remote ones. There's a real opportunity for each community on the same topic to have distinct flavours and cultures, but so long as they all appear to be the same damn thing and appear with the same frequency in the content stream, it's never going to happen. It's not like people really look at the remote server domain.

It's really nice that the Local feed exists, but when people just bulk subscribe to 8 different communities with the same name, stick to their subscription list, and then treat them all as the same place, that just kills a lot of potential for heterogeneity.

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ShittyKopper 8 points 3 years ago

It’s really nice that the Local feed exists, but when people just bulk subscribe to 8 different communities with the same name, stick to their subscription list, and then treat them all as the same place, that just kills a lot of potential for heterogeneity.

That's what people are used to from Reddit. They're used to having one giant subreddit about one topic. That's why everyone's centralized themselves on lemmy.world or kbin.social. That's why one of the most requested features is the ability to make "multireddits" (or otherwise combining all different communities into one)

This is a culture problem to solve, technical solutions can only do so much to help.

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jamesrylandmiller 2 points 3 years ago

@ShittyKopper why is a multi community feature an issue? I want to see what more than one fed server says on a topic and maybe have some cross list merging to increase efficiency.

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CaptainStrider 19 points 3 years ago

At the very least it's less engaging than reddit. Makes it easier to scroll less frequently and focus on other more important things.

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Blackmist 18 points 3 years ago

"This is good for Bitcoin" vibes there.

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14specks 17 points 3 years ago

Key difference is that Bitcoin people want/need their numbers to go up,up,up as a measure of success.

Here, we are hoping to cultivate a healthy community (at either/both the instance and fediverse level). From my experience on various subreddits, focusing on growth is not a good way to do this.

Communities are defined more by who is not allowed in than by who is in the community. Lemmy phase 2 kicked off back in June, and it still needs some time to find its footing at a sustainable rate of growth.

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SwingingKoala 0 points 3 years ago

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14specks 1 point 3 years ago

If I'm making a mistake, I don't think that would be it. I've been observing Bitcoin and its community since 2011.

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Poggervania 18 points 3 years ago

It’s probably more likely that we’re losing more of the “Fediverse is just Reddit 2.0” kind of people - which is great because that’s 10k or w/e less Redditors that’ll go back on the platform they actually want to use.

Fediverse doesn’t have an ocean of communities and content (yet), but that’s fine with me since I’m more active here and trying to offer more insightful comments outside of the Reddit staple “this” kind of comments.

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Dirk 17 points 3 years ago

Yeah. Since Reddit is back to normal, the majority of people who left it due to protest now returns.

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Ingvarr 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah, there's even upcoming third-party apps to fill the void left by apps like Apollo (at least for a while).

What keeps me there and not here are some niche subs for music genres/subgenres and bands, and I don't see any of them crossing over to the fediverse until Reddit completely and utterly dies. It even seems like some went over to Discord and I'm not really a fan of that, but it's probably more lively there than here for my interests.

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Redecco 1 point 3 years ago

By normal do you mean the protests have ended, or they undid some of the unpopular changes?

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Dirk 1 point 3 years ago

Why would they undo those changes. They did r/place, that should be enough. And yes, the protests have ended.

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learningduck 14 points 3 years ago

I have 3 accounts, but now only use 1 actively.

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creed10 13 points 3 years ago

commenting to show I'm still active lmao

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AdolfSchmitler 2 points 3 years ago

Lol. I came from reddit after 10 years. It was nice to see the lemmy connect app get an update soon after the influx. I'm still trying to get a handle on navigation but I'm hoping to become more active here.

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Tasha 12 points 3 years ago

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Blaze 6 points 3 years ago

What is getting worse according to you?

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preludeofme 21 points 3 years ago

There's just not enough content posted, it takes several hours if not longer for top stories to pop up and that's not even counting that I see the same posts over and over at the top for days. I get it's smaller and such but it's harder to really get into. I'm still here cause I'm not going back to Reddit but I just wish we could get more people in

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Yerbouti 10 points 3 years ago

We all have to start posting more content and interacting we each other. I prefer to use the filter with "Top past 6 hours", you get to see more new content.

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moonsnotreal 9 points 3 years ago

Brother you gotta post content

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Blaze 3 points 3 years ago

Which filter do you use, Active?

Hot and Top 6 hours / 12 hours / day might work better

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thoro 2 points 3 years ago

After you scroll through active, use hot, use new, use new comments.

It's not going to be a direct Reddit replacement after just growing its userbase to that of a small subreddit.

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Tasha 4 points 3 years ago

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Blaze 5 points 3 years ago

It's okay, Lemmy is definitely not for everyone in its current state.

If you are looking for communities, you can have a look at !newcommunities@lemmy.world

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Tasha 2 points 3 years ago

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beteljuice 11 points 3 years ago

Numbers will go up again once the reddit infinity client stops working.

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Blaze 2 points 3 years ago

Don't revanced apps with personal API keys solve that issue?

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Traegs 7 points 3 years ago

I'd argue that some people are not tech savvy enough to figure that out. Whereas Lemmy is actually less complicated.

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Blaze 5 points 3 years ago

I think there are two types of users

either they are tech savvy enough to use revanced
or they are not, but then they don't mind the official Reddit app

In both case, they are not moving to Lemmy

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ChronosWing 2 points 3 years ago

I still visit reddit from my revanced sync app, although Sync for Lemmy has taken the Sync for reddit spot on my homescreen. So I do spend more time here but sometimes I jump to reddit because of certain subs I still like to visit.

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bitsplease 5 points 3 years ago

Yeah asking people to sign up for developer accounts and manage their own API is a pretty big blocker.

I know a lot of people are probably scoffing at the above statement, because in reality it's quite easy, but I think people often forget how tech illiterate the average person is. Hell, the number one criticism of Mastadon, Lemmy, and other fediverse sites is that the sign up process is complicated, despite the fact that it involves exactly one additional step (pick an instance).

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Blaze 1 point 3 years ago

I think there are two types of users

either they are tech savvy enough to use revanced
or they are not, but then they don't mind the official Reddit app

In both case, they are not moving to Lemmy

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Nerrad 10 points 3 years ago

Quick! Everyone go open 2 more accounts! We can fix this!

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rusticus 8 points 3 years ago

I can tell you the drop in active Lemmy users was NOT from hexbear and lemmy.grad. Those trolls are worse than the_donald was on the other platform.

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Blaze 5 points 3 years ago

They are indeed very much active

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thoro 0 points 3 years ago

Might as well say Beetlejuice three times

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TheDuckPrince 8 points 3 years ago

The biggest problem here for now it's the fediverse search engine. It's hard to find c/ but I think this is a matter of time

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Blaze 4 points 3 years ago

LW communities being excluded from Lemmyverse since 3 weeks due to some API issue does not help indeed: https://github.com/tgxn/lemmy-explorer/issues/139

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RoundSparrow 7 points 3 years ago

Let the servers keep crashing, tell everyone to add new instances to help with performance, which puts 1500 rows into the database tables that used to have 50 rows and invokes a massive federation 1-vote-1-https overhead... causing more crashing... all the while ignoring the SQL design of machine-generated ORM statements and counting logic hidden in the background triggers.

... keep users off your sever as a method of scaling by crashing. It's one of the more interesting experiences I've had this year! And I spent all of February and March with the release of GPT-4... which was also interesting!

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Blaze 1 point 3 years ago

How is it going on that side, are they still ignoring your pull requests?

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RoundSparrow 7 points 3 years ago

I've largely given up on pull requests.... for sake of sanity. But I waded back in...

I made a pull request today... and I very strategically choose to do it with minimal of features so that it would just go through... and I got lectured that JOIN is never a concern and that filtering based on the core function of the site (presenting fresh meat to readers) was a bad use of the database. I've never seen hazing on a project like this. Memcached and Redis should be discussed every day as "why are we not doing what every website does?", but mum is the word.

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anonymoose 5 points 3 years ago

This is unfortunate to hear. Have you considered creating a proof-of-concept fork with synthetic data that demonstrates how much more performant a cached, filtered approach would be? I think a magnitude or two improvement of some key metrics with heavy simulated load would be quite convincing.

Of course, that would be an insane amount of work, especially if it would get ignored, but something to consider!

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RoundSparrow 4 points 3 years ago

Of course, that would be an insane amount of work, especially if it would get ignored, but something to consider!

I already did an insane amount of work to populate a Lemmy database with over 10 million posts. It is so incredibly slow out of the box that the normal API would take days to accomplish this. i had to rewrite the SQL TRIGGER logic to allow bulk inserts.

Here is my work on that:

DROP TRIGGER site_aggregates_post_insert ON public.post;


/*
TRIGGER will be replaced with per-statement INSERT only
*/
CREATE TRIGGER site_aggregates_post_insert
   AFTER INSERT ON public.post
   REFERENCING NEW TABLE AS new_rows
   FOR EACH STATEMENT
   EXECUTE FUNCTION site_aggregates_post_insert();


DROP TRIGGER community_aggregates_post_count ON public.post;


/*
TRIGGER will be replaced with per-statement INSERT only
*/
CREATE TRIGGER community_aggregates_post_count
   AFTER INSERT ON public.post
   REFERENCING NEW TABLE AS new_rows
   FOR EACH STATEMENT
   EXECUTE FUNCTION community_aggregates_post_count();


DROP TRIGGER person_aggregates_post_count ON public.post;


/*
TRIGGER will be replaced with per-statement INSERT only
*/
CREATE TRIGGER person_aggregates_post_count
   AFTER INSERT ON public.post
   REFERENCING NEW TABLE AS new_rows
   FOR EACH STATEMENT
   EXECUTE FUNCTION person_aggregates_post_count();



/*
TRIGGER will be replaced with per-statement INSERT only
no Lemmy-delete or SQL DELETE to be performed during this period.
*/
CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION public.site_aggregates_post_insert() RETURNS trigger
    LANGUAGE plpgsql
    AS $$
BEGIN
   UPDATE site_aggregates SET posts = posts +
      (SELECT count(*) FROM new_rows WHERE local = true)
      WHERE site_id = 1
      ;

   RETURN NULL;
END
$$;


CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION public.community_aggregates_post_count() RETURNS trigger
    LANGUAGE plpgsql
    AS $$
BEGIN
        UPDATE
            community_aggregates ca
        SET
            posts = posts + p.new_post_count
        FROM (
            SELECT count(*) AS new_post_count, community_id
            FROM new_rows
            GROUP BY community_id
             ) AS p
        WHERE
            ca.community_id = p.community_id;

    RETURN NULL;
END
$$;


/*
TRIGGER will be replaced with per-statement INSERT only
no Lemmy-delete or SQL DELETE to be performed during this period.
*/
CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION public.person_aggregates_post_count() RETURNS trigger
    LANGUAGE plpgsql
    AS $$
BEGIN
        UPDATE
            person_aggregates personagg
        SET
            post_count = post_count + p.new_post_count
        FROM (
            SELECT count(*) AS new_post_count, creator_id
            FROM new_rows
            GROUP BY creator_id
             ) AS p
        WHERE
            personagg.person_id = p.creator_id;

    RETURN NULL;
END
$$;


/*
***********************************************************************************************
** comment table
*/


DROP TRIGGER post_aggregates_comment_count ON public.comment;


/*
TRIGGER will be replaced with per-statement INSERT only
*/
CREATE TRIGGER post_aggregates_comment_count
   AFTER INSERT ON public.comment
   REFERENCING NEW TABLE AS new_rows
   FOR EACH STATEMENT
   EXECUTE FUNCTION post_aggregates_comment_count();


-- IMPORTANT NOTE: this logic for INSERT TRIGGER always assumes that the published datestamp is now(), which was a logical assumption with general use of Lemmy prior to federation being added.
CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION public.post_aggregates_comment_count() RETURNS trigger
    LANGUAGE plpgsql
    AS $$
BEGIN

        UPDATE
            -- per statement update 1
            post_aggregates postagg
        SET
            comments = comments + c.new_comment_count
        FROM (
            SELECT count(*) AS new_comment_count, post_id
            FROM new_rows
            GROUP BY post_id
             ) AS c
        WHERE
            postagg.post_id = c.post_id;


        UPDATE
            -- per statement update 2
            post_aggregates postagg
        SET
            newest_comment_time = max_published
        FROM (
            SELECT MAX(published) AS max_published, post_id
            FROM new_rows
            GROUP BY post_id
             ) AS c
        WHERE
            postagg.post_id = c.post_id;

        UPDATE
            -- per statement update 3
            post_aggregates postagg
        SET
            newest_comment_time_necro = max_published
        FROM (
            SELECT MAX(published) AS max_published, post_id, creator_id
            FROM new_rows
            WHERE published > ('now'::timestamp - '2 days'::interval)
            GROUP BY post_id, creator_id
             ) AS c
        WHERE
            postagg.post_id = c.post_id
            AND c.creator_id != postagg.creator_id
            ;

    RETURN NULL;
END
$$;


DROP TRIGGER community_aggregates_comment_count ON public.comment;

CREATE TRIGGER community_aggregates_comment_count
   AFTER INSERT ON public.comment
   REFERENCING NEW TABLE AS new_rows
   FOR EACH STATEMENT
   EXECUTE FUNCTION public.community_aggregates_comment_count();


CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION public.community_aggregates_comment_count() RETURNS trigger
    LANGUAGE plpgsql
    AS $$
BEGIN

        UPDATE
            community_aggregates ca
        SET
            comments = comments + p.new_comment_count
        FROM (
            SELECT count(*) AS new_comment_count, community_id
            FROM new_rows AS nr
            JOIN post AS pp ON nr.post_id = pp.id
            GROUP BY pp.community_id
             ) AS p
        WHERE
            ca.community_id = p.community_id
            ;

    RETURN NULL;

END
$$;


DROP TRIGGER person_aggregates_comment_count ON public.comment;

CREATE TRIGGER person_aggregates_comment_count
   AFTER INSERT ON public.comment
   REFERENCING NEW TABLE AS new_rows
   FOR EACH STATEMENT
   EXECUTE FUNCTION public.person_aggregates_comment_count();


CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION public.person_aggregates_comment_count() RETURNS trigger
    LANGUAGE plpgsql
    AS $$
BEGIN

        UPDATE
            person_aggregates personagg
        SET
            comment_count = comment_count + p.new_comment_count
        FROM (
            SELECT count(*) AS new_comment_count, creator_id
            FROM new_rows
            GROUP BY creator_id
             ) AS p
        WHERE
            personagg.person_id = p.creator_id;

    RETURN NULL;
END
$$;


DROP TRIGGER site_aggregates_comment_insert ON public.comment;

CREATE TRIGGER site_aggregates_comment_insert
   AFTER INSERT ON public.comment
   REFERENCING NEW TABLE AS new_rows
   FOR EACH STATEMENT
   EXECUTE FUNCTION public.site_aggregates_comment_insert();


CREATE OR REPLACE FUNCTION public.site_aggregates_comment_insert() RETURNS trigger
    LANGUAGE plpgsql
    AS $$
BEGIN

   UPDATE site_aggregates
      SET comments = comments +
         (
            SELECT count(*) FROM new_rows WHERE local = true
         )
      WHERE site_id = 1
      ;

    RETURN NULL;
END
$$;

With this in place, 300,000 posts a minute can be generated and reaching levels of 5 million or 10 million don't take too long.

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Blaze 3 points 3 years ago

That's quite concerning. Would you have a link to that PR? Curious to see the exchange

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RoundSparrow 6 points 3 years ago

I already feel like I have to keep sticking my neck out to get them to question if using the ORM and a dozen JOIN statements isn't a problem.... but I guess I'll link it: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/3900

As stated on my Lemmy user profile, I'm "RocketDerp" on GitHiub.

Honestly, the reason I keep making noise is because I'm sick of Lemmy crashing all the time when I come to use it... and I am on many servers that this happens. I really am not trying to piss off the developers, I even said I felt like I am being hazed, and I feel like hazing in general might explain what is going on with how much they are avoiding the elephant in the ROOM that ORM and a dozen JOIN might be the cause! Let alone the lack of Redis or Memcached addition being avoided, that's a second elephant on the second floor tap-dancing.... GitHub Issue 2910 was the straw that broke my back weeks ago, it took months for them to address it when it could be fixed in a couple hours (and it was weeks before the Reddti API deadline at the end of June.... and issue 2910 was neglected). The whole thing was a nightmare for me to watch...

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Disgusted_Tadpole 7 points 3 years ago

I believe the lack of apps (that offer 100% of what Lemmy on browser has) is also playing its part. Many people will return or be more tempted to come here when apps will come out. Some are ready with a million more well on the way.

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Kerensky1101 3 points 3 years ago

Honestly, I didn't really start using Lemmy until Sync for Lemmy was out. I know it's a closed source app which gets a lot of hate around here but it is already very full featured and a great browsing experience. The developer listens to user feedback and is invested in making the app the best he can.

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marathon 1 point 3 years ago

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Kerensky1101 2 points 3 years ago

I actually don't mind that it is closed source, just pointing out that for some reason, there is a lot of hate towards non-FOSS apps here on Lemmy for some reason. I've used Sync for reddit almost since it first came out so migrating to using it on Lemmy was amazing

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HeartyBeast 6 points 3 years ago

We're all on kbin, aren't we ? :)

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wahming 16 points 3 years ago

I was, till lemmy got some decent mobile apps

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Patches 5 points 3 years ago

Password reset is broken. I can't get back into any of my accounts as a so I have to either lurk, or make a new one every time.

Soon enough this one will die, and Lemmy will lose yet another "another active user".

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Blaze 3 points 3 years ago

That's bad.

On which instances are you other accounts?

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Patches 1 point 3 years ago

So far just Lemmy world and Lemmy Ml. Reset password seems broken for all lemmy not just those instances. Here's hoping I don't forget this password to.

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echoplex21 5 points 3 years ago

I'm loving it here but yeah hope there's a bit more engagement. I think the main thing people need to focus on is building up the more common communities. From there we can slowly branch out as more people join. If we spread out too thin we're just going to get graveyard communities.

As we grow we can focus on expanding and getting more of those niche communities going .

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Lyricism6055 5 points 3 years ago

I host my own lemmy instance. Is there a way to get comments from other instances to show up?

I was able to subscribe to lemmy.world communities, but when articles show up it only shows comments from my instance (none)

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Blaze 5 points 3 years ago

https://github.com/Fmstrat/lcs

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CrypticFawn 5 points 3 years ago

I'll be more interested in the user numbers when it's been a year.

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halfempty 4 points 3 years ago

Do these numbers include kbin?

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Neon_Dystopia 4 points 3 years ago

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clearleaf 3 points 3 years ago

Tankies and American democrats are scaring away the hoes. Source: I'm a hoe that has barely been coming here lately. There's not enough people here for niche communities to thrive, and the front page has been getting worse and worse. Today I saw this post on the front page, pretty close to the top.

https://lemmy.ca/post/3725038

I'd like to be clear that I don't care who americans voted for 7 years ago, but that's not why I don't think I should be seeing this. It's just, sheesh man. THIS is what the community wants and thinks is important in 2023? I'm trying to find a niche amongst THIS?

It's very similar to my problem with Gemini and every other "alt tech" platform I've tried to join. Worst case scenario it becomes a sewer for everyone who got banned from other sites for political extremism. Best case scenario, you end up with nothing but the demographic of upper class americans who do nothing but sit on their computers all day, which is not my scene either.

I'm starting to wonder if I should just leave the internet altogether.

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DLSchichtl 10 points 3 years ago

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clearleaf 1 point 3 years ago

This is what I mean. It's not healthy to be surrounded by so much hate all the time.

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DLSchichtl 1 point 3 years ago

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AmosBurton_ThatGuy 9 points 3 years ago

Yeah the amount of American bullshit that infests all social media is fucking cancerous.

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Katrisia 2 points 3 years ago

It's so silly. People around the world explain their culture and don't assume everyone knows about it, give their location appropriately, and do not believe they are the center of the world. It's like:

Random question posted: Why is eating octopus more and more popular?

Random user: In my region, we really don't eat much octopus. I am from Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. We eat red meat much more. But I guess octopus is growing in popularity worldwide due to [expanation].

Another random user: Where? Here in Portugal it has always been "popular".

Average American user: Midwestern here. I don't see octopus much and I don't like it. Call me stereotypical, but I love my meat and T-Ravs. Anyway, I believe the popularity is due to Biden's administration. [Details about Biden's changes]. ...So that all America has seen this rise, especially on the East Coast."

🤷🏻‍♀️ ...Why?

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Blaze 9 points 3 years ago

Sorry you had a bad experience.

I am myself trying to get out of the tech/politics/memes bubble with communities like !chat@beehaw.org , !casualconversation@lemmy.world , !moviesandtv@lemmy.film , !personalfinance@lemmy.ml , etc.

I'm afraid at some point a lot of people like you will just leave and we'll be left with Linux memes (and I use that OS)

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clearleaf 4 points 3 years ago

Thanks for the community recommendations, they seem like great points to explore from. I also love Linux and tech in general, otherwise I probably wouldn't be here. But I have other interests too. That's something I find to be decent about tildes surprisingly, considering you need to be a massive tech nerd just to access one.

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Blaze 2 points 3 years ago

You are welcome!

There is also !trendingcommunities@feddit.nl that has a daily report of rising communities

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ScreaminOctopus 3 points 3 years ago

I've been getting around this by being really free with the community block button. But I've also had decent luck finding alts of the communities I used to use on reddit

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Kushia 3 points 3 years ago

Regardless of platform, if you don't want to see politics then block the political communities from your feed. The article itself is pretty factual and I don't see why any real conservative would support the clown show that is the GOP right now.

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danielton 2 points 3 years ago

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rar 1 point 3 years ago

It's true, the front page, as it stands, is awful. I have to filter out so many trump/elon crap and (for nsfw accounts) so many sexual fetishes I didn't even know it existed. "Active" and "Hot" are infested with (sorry guys) low effort memes, and I have to click for "top 6 hours" or "top 12 hours" for something that starts looking interesting. Yes, I know the big R and other social media have the same problem, but that's not the point.

Now, this is where the content "sorting algorithm" becomes a thing to "boost engagement"... but sure we can do better?

Personally, I would like to see more active posts from small communities or instances over most populous ones. Self-posts, even better. What if there was a user preference for frontpage sorting?

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Die4Ever 2 points 3 years ago

I'm surprised so many people browse All, I only look at Subscribed

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gammasfor 2 points 3 years ago

I'm currently doing it mainly because I haven't worked out what I want to subscribe to yet.

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rar 1 point 3 years ago

I switch between subscribed and all sometimes. Finding new communities is nice.

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joxese3341 1 point 3 years ago

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MrFagtron9000 2 points 3 years ago

The problem is that Lemmy never hit that critical threshold of users where I can just stop using Reddit.

Like one of my favorite subreddits - gaybros and askgaybros - zero activity on the fediverse, so I'm going back to Reddit for that.

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Chriskmee 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah, if the sub was fairly small on Reddit it's basically non existent here. I'm using both Lemmy and Reddit for now, hoping lemmy gets some good traction.

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HawlSera 2 points 3 years ago

I can't go back to reddit, I was hit with one of their arbitrary bans

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marathon 2 points 3 years ago

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Blaze 0 points 3 years ago

Lemmynsfw.com is getting some traction.

But yeah, otherwise that’s very true for a lot of niche communities.

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PP_BOY_ 0 points 3 years ago

Same. Half my reddit activity was on r/femboysDM and sissykik2. How is lemmy gonna replace those??

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Blaze 1 point 3 years ago

Lemmynsfw.com is getting some traction.

But yeah, otherwise that's very true for a lot of niche communities.

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r4tzt4r 2 points 3 years ago

I went back to RSS and my niche community is on instagram/threads. Not the same as it was on Reddit, of course, but I'm having what I want in terms of news and content at least. Right now Lemmy has nothing for me, that's the truth.

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leanleft 1 point 2 years ago

undo the maximalist==better preconception.
(**not directed at op or NE1)
less users has pros and cons (imo).

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Sam_o 1 point 3 years ago

🤷‍♂️

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masquenox 1 point 3 years ago

When they remove old.reddit it's over for me - there is no browser I've tried that new.reddit hasn't managed to crash within a few minutes of using it.

But I'll stay on old.reddit for as long as possible... there are just too many nazis and fascists waiting in the wings to hijack the communities I've put a lot effort into. It's better to just milk them for as long as possible.

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HootinNHollerin 0 points 2 years ago

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ShittyRedditWasBetter -1 points 3 years ago

This is what copium looks like in its final form.

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Reva 8 points 3 years ago

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ShittyRedditWasBetter -10 points 3 years ago

Meh

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