The officer apparently tried to tuck a gun into his pants instead of using a holster, failed, dropped the gun, and menaced bystanders in response to his own failure
Trained? Don't they just apply, given a gun, mask, and pointed towards a brown person?
The bullets fell out of his gun, too, and he didn't notice them on the ground the whole time he was walking around even when he stepped on them. And I don't think he put one in the chamber before the whole debacle got underway. If shit had gone sideways and he'd pulled the trigger, nothing would have happened, I think.
I thought maybe one of the spare magazines fell out of his vest, but it looks like he has 3 before and 3 after. I think he was unarmed that whole time.
Definitely. I do think though that in his imagined scenario where there was a threat of serious bodily harm from the crowd, that "BANG click click click click" event would have been about the worst possible thing that could have happened.
I mean the whole thing was imaginary. No one in the crowd was planning to do anything other than yell at him, and he pulled the gun out just from fear. I'm just kind of highlighting an additional angle of his lack of any competency. It was only the fact that no one was trying to hurt him that kept him safe, he pretty much did everything possible to put himself in additional danger.
Edit: Oh, directing random cars to drive around a few feet away from this volatile situation was just another element of incredibly dangerous stupidity. I feel like probably he just did it because he wanted to reestablish some kind of control, to give some instructions to somebody since none of the ones he was giving were being followed and that wasn't how he thought it was supposed to happen because he's Billy Badass and he's supposed to be in charge.
You are right, during the struggle it looked like there was no magazine for me. Sorry for the confusion and thanks for the correction. Still kind of fucked up how he handled his firearm though.
Even worse: When that gun was tucked in his belt like this, it doesn't take much for the trigger to be accidentally pulled by a crease of his clothing or gear he's carrying, resulting in him shooting himself in the pelvis. Also, had the suspect actually been violent there would have been a risk of him grabbing it. It was right there within easy reach.
The victim was very close to grabbing it after it fell out of the incompetent agent’s belt. I have to assume that’s what this quote is all about.
In a genuinely shocking development, DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin issued a statement Friday which said "The officer's conduct in this video is unacceptable and beneath the men and women of ICE. Our ICE law enforcement are held to the highest professional standards and this officer is being relieved of current duties as we conduct a full investigation."
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Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
they got all the 'training' they need:
“I have to protect my people.”
not you. not 'them'. just 'my people'.
Looks cool in movies. Probably aims his gun sideways, yo.
The gun fumble omfg, guy being kidnapped very nearly grabbed it. Then it takes 8 minutes for 4 guys to put on handcuffs and get out of the intersection!?! Reckless, untrained and dangerous for everyone around them.
Holy fuck
It’s worth watching in the video. The incompetence is a sight to behold.
The jacked-up idiot drops his gun at about 57 seconds in. Then the man he’s holding down bats it five feet away and the clown dives after it.
Such a hero
I kept waiting for his glasses to fall off.
Why does this look like Christopher Lloyd in a comedy sketch?
He should have been taken down by a good guy with a gun immediately - pointing a gun at someone is a felony, and these brown coats have no training or accountability.
They're being called Brown Coats? Malcom Reynolds would be furious to learn this.
I love the Firefly reference, but I think they meant the brownshirts: Braunhemden)
I did! My bad, got firefly mixed up with brown shirts.
Why are we not calling them, "red hats?"
Red Hats are the rank & file idiots, and also his Insurrectionists.
ICE is a whole other level. Think Brown Shirts vs Gestapo
Most responsible gun owners understand why shooting this guy in this moment would be a huge mistake and are devoting an outsized chunk of their patience to tolerating the people demanding to know where was the good guy with a gun was.
If you think I’m genuinely suggesting “a good guy” start a fire fight perhaps I need to be less ambiguous.
I was being hyperbolic - I think ICE is Nazi scum and deserves to die, but I understand that this man being shot in the moment is not the answer.
I just wish it were - he catches a round for his Nazi scumbaggery (and all his friends too), and then everyone just moves on like nothing of value was lost, because it wasn’t.
Reminds me of that serial killer in China who targeted cops in their own homes. They never caught him. I hope that doesn't start happening here. Wouldn't that be terrible?
ICE are going to have to wear those bacon burkas for the rest of their lives. It's their new skin. All for a bonus and a down-payment on a McMansion that they're going to default on in 5 years.
Alright then, I understand what you mean. And tbh I tend to agree on an emotional level. It's just that "He should have been taken down by a good guy with a gun immediately" doesn't exactly communicate that nuance, ya know?
More than fair, I’ll try to be clearer in the future when engaging in hyperbole.
Problem is, who is the officer? No name, no badge number, unmarked car....
This is how the riots start. Sooner or later one of these untrained ice agents will shoot a civilian because he is scared. Somebody in that crowd will shoot back....and then it begins.
They do seem to forget how the Boston massacre started, don't they?
"The shot heard 'round the world", or something...
grabs popcorn
As an American, i just wanted to say fuck you.
A lot of good people are going to die. Your supposed entertainment here will be mostly poor people, and those who feel they can't stand by while evil people oppress them.
To clarify, I do not enjoy this either, but its more of a comment about the state of affairs. The fact that we've become so desensitized that everything feels unreal/surreal, the events feel almost as if it were a movie. Hence "popcorn". Its a sarcastic comment, not to be taken seriously. Its like how people laughs when something bad is about to happen, its nervous-laughter, a response to trauma. Sorry if you interpreted this comment this wrong way.
I'm also American, but I'm not white and I wasn't born here in the US, I cannot afford to intervene. I'm also being persecuted by my previous country, and I can't really put myself on the radar for two governments to come after me and my family/relatives, some of which aren't citizens yet, so I'm bit of in a "Snowden" type situation, sorry, but I can't do much. I'm afraid to go outside because xenophobes would tell me to "go home".
Forget fired, they should face criminal charges as anyone else would if they pointed a gun on someone without a reason.
*deserves to be shot. Like all gestapo.
That ICE Agent gots management written all over them.
That would get him shot in my state. This guy wasn't masked, but if they are masked they can be considered criminals, a criminal pointing a gun at you is 100% self defense if you shoot him. It would never go to court.
No badge is about the same, but not as blatant/clear cut. You can say you thought he was a criminal, but the issue would need to go to court. In the end he pointed his gun at bystanders so shooting at him would likely be self defense ... but how fair would the system be?
I stayed just outside of DC a couple weeks ago. I went into a run-down Dunkin and it was operated entirely in Spanish aside from the cashier knowing just enough English to take orders from people who aren't fluent in Spanish. I knew enough Spanish to be able to get my order when it was called. As I was leaving, a cop came in and started counting every brown person there. He made a big show of it, too, and people started panicking.
I honestly didn't know what to do in that situation. I was hungover as hell, broke, and had to drive 5 hours to get home so I could wake up for work the next day. I decided to just hang out and make sure the cop knew that I was watching him. I had my phone out and ready to record if more serious shit started happening. After a few minutes, the cop went back outside to his squad car and I pretended like I totally just happened to be leaving at the same time. When I blatantly eavesdropped on the cop and his buddy in the squad car outside, I heard them laughing about the whole thing. Apparently terroizing immigrants and their families is a fucking game to those bastards.
The patrons of the place cleared out immediately after the cops were gone. I stayed parked at that Dunkin for a good half an hour after everyone who could leave did and nothing else happened.
I have no idea if I should have done something more in that situation. I wanted to tell the cop to get the fuck out of there. I wanted to say some witty shit like "Oh man, I didn't order ice with my coffee."
I kinda freaked out internally when I realized what was happening but I couldn't bring myself to just leave despite my instincts telling me to. So I just made my presence and opposition to the cop known in a way that couldn't (legally) get me arrested and hoped for the best.
I drive a school bus for a semi rural city in Arkansas. A large portion of the kids that ride my bus are Hispanic. I have had nightmares about this shit since the election.
I'm a white blonde blue eye cishet man and I'm still being hit by the unabashed cruelty and evil. I just want to get off.
Oh god that's terrifying. Like what are you supposed to do as a driver in that situation? Like if ice raids your bus at goddamn red light or some shit?
Does the district you work for not have any plans for that shit? You'd think they would...
Perhaps you could have done more, but you did something, and that matters in my books
ICE isn't so tough when they're not slamming defenseless women into the ground, are they?
Believe it or not, you have gang connections too. You live on the same planet as a notorious violent gangster. DETAINED!
People need to read up on the Kent State shootings in 1970. National Guards "men" shot and killed people singing songs. 4 murdered, 9 more shot, then days later at UNM 8 students were stabbed with bayonettes.
There was an investigation, the Guard lied about being under sniper fire, most of these brave heros admitted they were scared because of rocks. No one was held responsible for a massacre of unarmed Americans.
America has a 50 year old problem of cowards with guns.
And we're still talking about Kent State and UNM today as it had a serious affect on the country. But the sad part is, if something like this happened today, a third of Americans would blame the victims. Fox News would tell lies about what actually happened. And it would be swept under the rug and forgotten about by Christmas.
The lesson from Kent State is no one in this country really gave a fuck.
Trump world also pardon any offenders if it made it to court.
America has. 250 year old problem of cowards with guns
This kind of thing was way too common back then
Just back then? This is my first time reading this particular excerpt, but the "Black Hitlers" part sticks out. Conservative America really has been doing the same shit forever, it seems. Calling them that is in the same family as saying, "Antifa are the real fascists," etc. Just feed their target audience some shit to parrot that, to them, feels salient but really is meaningless except for redirecting blame and stoking fear and hatred.
Per the article, these are Florida asssholes in Maryland. Sounds like wannabe slave catchers to me.
Also fairly common with cops to not live inside of their own precinct. Because nobody wants to be the neighbor who hands out tickets. I know a cop who does stand up comedy, but she specifically avoids doing any comedy inside of her own jurisdiction. Because her interactions are her standup content, and there’s a non-zero chance that the person she’s telling a story about could be in (or have friends in) the audience.
Being a fascist bitch is probably not the only short coming that piggy is compensating for. Lost of useless shriveled up roid-roasted nuts in ICE.
Yeah, some people also have a problem being seen stomping their own neighbours.
Pointing a gun at someone is assault.
Not sure where here is, but police are the same everywhere.
Nah, they are worse in the states. Yes, there are bad cops here too, one randomly pulled a gun on one of my family members at a traffic stop, but the cops here are generally better than in the states.
I feel like they're worse some places than others.
I don't know. I've never even seen a police officer here take their gun out of the holster, no even put a hand over it.
Nope, that's not true. The US is a special kind of hellscape.
I think they're pre-emptively explaining to the jury in case the gov found it and they end up in court.
Heartbreaking to hear the guy calling out for help.
Nth tale from a fascist country.
And make no mistake:, fascist countries are like that because they're inhabited by fascist people.
Watch the video yourself https://files.catbox.moe/rkqc60.mp4
Man that big ole smile he gets being able to touch a man and have an excuse for why he is doing it.
Watch the video yourself https://files.catbox.moe/rkqc60.mp4
Limp dick Gestapo brained pieces of shit.
Too small of a target.
That would make him trans?
Go ahead. Shoot me.
I wonder, how many people regret saying it because they've been actually shot. Ah, yes. None. Good line.
4 dead, 9 more shot, no one held responsible. Greatest country on earth.
I mean there was this https://knowyourmeme.com/...
Wait who is the terrorist organization again? It's these guys right? Right?
It's literally the South Park episode.
I've seen drunk teenagers more eloquent and confident than this guy.
You have to be american to become a ICE agent
Who'd have guessed that fascist trash is incompetent?
This is surreal. Why does the guy speak Spanish to the dude filming who clearly speaks English better?
You know, where I'm at, that is a chargeable offense.
isn't losing his gun like that a serious internal offence as well?
This is ICE, so it is unlikely there's anything internal.
Hahaha fair, but imagine that was the FBI or something. Pretty sure losing control of your gun like that is very bad and can result in discipline?
Well yeah, they took a job to basically run around and terrorize immigrants all day like its cowboys and indians. Can't imagine that attracts a very high caliber individual, and the administration sure as hell isn't turning anyone away.
They earn twice as much as you do
amateurs almost gave him the gun - what an inhuman embarrassment
Loving his mag just sitting on the damn ground… clearly he is an untrained POS! He lost his damn gun taking down ONE guy… He couldn’t even shoot if he wanted leaving that mag on the ground, fucking idiot!
How does the orange fucking dick taste? Like shit? He def would know since he can’t even handle a damn gun properly. Fucking clowns!
He couldn’t even shoot if he wanted leaving that mag on the ground, fucking idiot!
This is not true. The magazine is only the feeding mechanism. There is likely still a round in the chamber. This is firearm safety 101. Always assume a weapon is able to fire unless you 100% know that it isn't.
True, but to loose your gun and mag taking down ONE guy is just embarrassing as you trained for this (it’s your fucking job) and failed all around and then point the gun at others is just careless!
But I agree, I know there might be a live round but I just don’t think this dude even knows how to shoot a gun but you are correct. Always assume it’s loaded until proven otherwise.
This is such a strange and out-of-touch comment (to me) that I can't tell if it's bad sarcasm or...what.
Can you, though?
Or do you elect them to the highest office in the land?
Outrageous. This is not okay.
So, lets entertain this train of thought a moment. The ICE agent drops his gun and, embarrassed, drops to the ground and points the gun at bystanders (according to OP at least). A bystander pulls a gun on the officer in defense and fires. The ICE guy on the ground gets hit but not before firing off several rounds. By this point the rest of the goon squad have pulled their guns and begin firing on the crowd because they don't know where the shots originated from. Now you have a wounded/killed agent and a whole group of innocent people got gunned down in response. Taking it further, Trump uses this as proof that martial law needs to be enacted officially and not just the illegal ways he's doing it now.
Maybe that's what its going to take? IDK. I do think you're right in principle, but shits complicated.
At leas t with Marshall law you will finally understand the severity and maybe fight back instead of just saying things like, "if we do something it'll be bad", every single time, until there is no one to fight back and nothing left to fight for and you can enjoy the full force of a technofascist state anyway.
if we do something it'll be bad
Opening fire in public is a very particular type of “something“
Kimmel didn’t get back on the air thanks to shooters, it was loud noise (and louder money). Also I’m not sure how to ask without seeming like I’m egging you on but are you making recommendations that you yourself are comfortable following? I would understand your argument better if you were an armed leader of group trying to convince others they need to be you doing the same as you, but if you’re posting here then you’re probably not in jail so it seems like you’re encouraging others to get themselves embroiled in gun fights/arrested safely behind a QWERTY layout.
btw this situation is incredibly upsetting and I know your heart is in the right place—we want justice. If I read too much into your comment I’ll leave it here for others who suggest firing at authorities who may have not thought it through all the way, & hope you can see where I’m coming from when you look at the parent comment and then yours.
The 2nd Amendment is for when all the other Amendments fail.
1A says you try and protest to protect all your other rights. 2A says 1A didn’t work so they about to FO.
Most of those left-of-center do not have guns. That's the problem.
i hoped he was gonna accidentally shoot his balls off at the beginning while trying to tuck his gun in his belt
Like something out of a bad action movie!
He should have been injected with Ketamine because he was clearly experiencing excited delirium.
Surely these men (sadly almost entirely us) are getting known, renowned in their own communities and workplaces as the morons to avoid. The draining view is that they'll be treated with jock humour and ultimately praised.
I don't think they're that rare. I'm guessing their family, neighbors, and friends are fuckheads too.
I know it's difficult to think clearly in the moment, but I wish he had used the phone to call the local police, at the very least. Report a kidnapping.
Fucking children…
No, that's the gov.
These folk are just protecting the gov (and kill random folk, beat everyone, even fuck children, but that's not the point).
/s (well, I mean, I wish)
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Martyrs only work with a population that gives a shit.
If someone dies to ICE shooting them to become a martyr, they just become a statistic, because Americans dont give a shit apparently.
See, the point on full display here is that the ICE isn't allowed to or aren't stupid enough to shoot protestors. Anybody who thinks the worst that can happen when confronting an angry mob is some broken windows has obviously never read any history books: entire towns can be burnt to the ground if things escalate.
There is no martyr because shooting one of them is the dumbest shit they could possibly do. The ICE show up with their military fetishism gear to intimidate you, but that's all it is. It's them playing dressup. They're not authorized to use those guns unless their life is in danger, and when they do use those guns then their life will be in danger.
"Cops dont face consequences."
*Cites cop who faced consequences.
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Where the fuck was he taught to tuck his gun in his belt like this? Fucking hastily trained amateurs.
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