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So hilarious and so apt... I will absolutely laugh at the idea of, well what's effectively been a socialist utopia for the vast majority of contexts in it, and the show that broke the interracial kiss barrier. (on top of inter species/galaxy ones... but obviously far more shocking at the time that a white guy kissed a black woman, than a white guy sleeping with a bunch of green aliens.
Political in the non-conservative sense, mind you.
About the only time they notice "activism", too.
They can have activism like Project 2025 or the decades-long effort to overturn Roe, and none of that counts as "activism".
I'm willing to bet that a significant portion of that list is Jewish.
America-centric?
Mother fucker it’s already America-centric, just look at the space Christian angels episodes of discovery to see how American it is.
Oh well, more Americans shooting themselves in the foot for foreign media to step in and replace them. Guess this is the century of China if America is giving up.
Wasn't that supposed to be her mom?
The first Red Angel was Burnham's mom. The second Red Angel was Burnham, because of-fucking-course it was.
Ok so definitely no Christianity stuff, just star trek being like ... temporarily mysterious-ish
You could get away with a Starship Troopers Star Trek Terran Empire series literally forever, The Colbert Report ran 11 seasons and people still think it existed to balance out the liberal bias of The Daily Show.
Star Trek: Ferenginar will probably be on the list to be made and the pilot episode will be called Make Fereginar Great Again.
MAGA would see the Ferengi aversion to war, xenophobia, and genocide as "too woke".
The Ferengi actually know how to run a functioning economy.
"Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people...will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon."
Followed by Star Trek: Lobes
Star Trek: The Final Front Ear
So it will be a cop show
😭
I remember having multiple discussions with a guy I knew who was adamant about various works of fiction, including the original Star Trek TV series, and how, in his view, if they have any kind of subtext to them, that it was not intentional and it's entirely in the eye of the beholder, meaning, that people just make it up as they go.
These included, but were not limited to: OG Star Trek, Dune (book), LoTR (books), and even the NARNIA series. I mean, Narnia. I think I first read them around the age of 10 or 11, and the Christian parallels practically hit you between the eyes it is so obvious. Even to a kid...I mean, I'm pretty sure Lewis has gone on record with the clear intent on proselytizing his faith via that series.
I wish I was joking, and this guy read most everything when it came to old sci-fi stuff. If that is his take on reading all those classic sci-fi stuff, I was just gobsmacked as to what he was getting out of it.
I have the feeling that there might be more people like him, but I just don't get it. Even things like WWE have the basic outline of the hero's journey to them, FFS.
Yeah, I know the guy could be an intentional contrarian just because he thought that was the way to show his intelligence. And I think he is on the spectrum. But I don't think he was kidding or merely being contrarian about this. Probably why I talked about it to him so much. Sure, many things have multiple interpretations, and I often thought that some pretty basic English lit teachers thought there were "rules" to how to interpret literature and that there were "correct" answers to what something like Old Man and the Sea "means". I can understand rejecting that.
But rejecting that even things as blatant as Narnia and Star Trek are not intentionally conveying a message? Mind-blowing. I don't even understand why you'd be all that interested in fiction of any kind at that point.
And yeah, as you point out, this kind of obvious intelligence in one way, but a glaring of lack of intelligence in others is highly problematic in the moral sense.
All of those series you mentioned have easily found interviews with their creators where they specifically say what subtext they were intending when they made them. You can disagree with the subtext, but was intentionally put there. That's some willful ignorance.
Yeah. I'm pretty sure I asked him about that supposed wager between Tolkien and Lewis and how they kind of goaded one another to write fiction containing new myths that had, at root, the "true myth", in their view which was related to Christ, since they were both Christians.
I also asked him about original myths themselves - do they contain allegory, etc? I think he may have conceded that, but for some reason, seemed to want to have some kind of arbitrary delineation between ancient myths and virtually everything else.
I don't pretend to understand. I was utterly baffled by it. I remember asking about The Matrix, too - was that just a lot of cool FX and well-choreographed fight scenes? The answer was something I don't remember, but I know I was baffled by it...
Narnia and Dune are so up-front about their messages that after a couple books it stops being subtext and just becomes text, so they're technically correct there.
Well, Narnia hits one like a 2x4 square between the eyes. 🤣
I remember reading the first Dune book during the first invasion of Iraq and the parallels between the two were very interesting I have to say. Not sure how much the author meant, but it was sure weird...
Well, I just canceled my paramount+
Star Trek would have been very different under Harlan Ellison.
So we went to the commissary and shoved in around the Writers' Table.
What I did not know was that the Writers' Table was right behind the Producers' Banquette. That was my first big mistake. As it turned out, it was also my last big mistake.
Oh, what fun, sitting there with intellectual companions, cutting up touches and laughing at the drolleries! Born again: the Algonquin round table. Wit beyond compare. And, naturally, as the youngest member of the group, striving to make my mark as worthy of their camaraderie, their respect, I suggested a droll, witty lunchtime conceit . . .
Two things you must know. First, I do a terrific Mickey Mouse imitation. Absolutely phonographically perfect. If the publishers of this book had the money, they ought to bind in a record, one of those little plastic jobbies, so you could hear my spectacular Mickey imitation. When I tell this anecdote in person, it really enhances a lot. But just pretend you can hear it, okay?
The second thing you need to know is that the Producers' Banquette had filled up with Roy Disney and the other heads of the studio, behind me; a fact of which I was unaware; a fact no one bothered to impart.
At the top of my voice I suggested, "Hey, listen, what a kick! Why don't we do a porn Disney flick?"
Everyone smiled. "It'll be terrific," I said. Loudly. "I mean, everyone knows, for instance, that Tinker Bell does it . . . what they don't know is how she Does It." They all looked at me expectantly. "She flies up the head of the penis and flaps her wings like crazy," I said, proud as hell of myself at this bit of fantasy. Everyone chuckled.
I went on, oblivious to the sudden hush all around me in the commissary. "I'll be Mickey, and I'll be the director; John, you do a good Donald, so you can be the male porn lead, sort of a duck-style Harry Reems; Mary, you can be Minnie, the female lead; and Albert, you can be Goofy . . . and Goofy, of course, is the producer."
Their smiles were frozen; the way the smiles of bit players get frozen when they see the monster creeping up behind the hero in a horror flick.
"Hey, gang!" I squeaked in my terrifically accurate Mickey voice. "Everybody ready to shoot the ultimate Disney flick? The film that rips the lid off the goody two-shoes hypocrisy that lies sweltering beneath the surface of G-rated true-life adventures? Okay, you guys, let's get that hand-held Arriflex right down there between Minnie's legs! I wanna see closeups of quivering labia!"
A silence as deep as that at the bottom of the Cayman Trench.
I went on, oblivious, carried along by my enthusiasm. In Donald's quack I said, "Goddam sonofabitch! Pluto, get outta there, you're steaming up the lens!"
As Goofy, in the dumbest voice possible, I said, "Yuck, yuck, yuck . . . hey, fellahs, I'm a highly-paid, extremely-inept producer person . . . c'n I play, too?"
As Mickey: "Fuck off, Goofy, fuck off! Get those Seven Dwarfs in here . . . I don't care ff they don't wanna gang-bang a mouse, tell 'em they're under contract . . . and fer chrissakes, Minnie, will you take off those damned shoes?!"
The meal came. Everyone addressed their plates like inmates of the Gulag Archipelago. When lunch was over, everyone vanished very quickly. I was confused, but felt good. What a nice little shtick I'd invented. Wished they'd joined in. Oh well.
Went back to my office. Noticed first that my name had been whited-out in the parking slot. Upstairs, the secretary and her paperback were gone. On my desk: twelve sharpened #2 Dixon Ticonderoga pencils and a pink slip.
I had been fired after working for the Disney empire for a total of four hours, including lunch.
The lessons here cannot be avoided.
Big business is humorless.
And . . .
At Disney, nobody fucks with The Mouse.
We're actually right on schedule for the Prime timeline. Things got really, really bad before humanity finally got their shit together. Of course, we won't be doing that.
How do i boycott that from which i don't currently partake.
Pirate their stuff and leave bad reviews?
By spreading the word about the boycott.
I’ll never understand one more people aren’t on the high seas. It’s the best.
We need some people paying for it so the stuff we like keeps getting made.
And to cancel your paramount+ subscription
My guess is Trekkie's would
I've never seen a company who's advertising goes so far the wrong way. It makes me want to cancel it and I don't even subscribe.
They don't even have enough content to fill a billboard, let alone a whole streaming service.
check their upcoming movies...
Do I have to pirate them? I rather carry on pretending there isn't another paw patrol movie
There are paw patrol movies now?
Not "people," just toddlers.
i don't mind watching that kind of stuff with the little ones. heck, even when they aren't around and the tv is just 'on' for noise, it's most likely tuned to or playing "their" shows and movies.
I want to, but I was already avoiding them!
And Mel Gibson is not on the list. That fact alone shows that this list has nothing to do with antisemitism.
Zionists owning Hollywood turns out to be reality.
They've squandered any good will a sane person could have for Israel.
The monstrous acts against Palestine haven't changed the way I view Jewish people as a whole, because I can separate religious beliefs from the actions of a nation state, but so,so many fucking idiots won't.
Israel can go fuck itself, but I really feel for all the sane Jewish people outside (and inside, though I don't think they're super numerous) Israel that are going to be targeted by actual fucking antisemitism by nut jobs.
The only issue is the vast majority of that group, even the “sane” ones you empathize with, still support these policies. Only pacifist Orthodox jews oppose these genocidal policies amongst Jewish people. There is, unfortunately, not many cases to separate Zionism and its consequences from Jews.
Case in point.
I sometimes wonder if this was intentional - fanning ridiculous theories such as "space lasers" - in order to make it easier to discredit other/future criticism. The Republicans have been using similar tactics for awhile now,.
Man, I sure didn’t expect to see “Mel Gibson Was Right All Along” on my 2025 Bingo card, yet here we are.
Soon to be rebranded as Paramaga, to cater to "the middle"
The Paramaga
Oh, lol/fuck, imagine if that is the name that will stick to the ICE&co. troops in the future (a bit like "Nazi" has later become to be the default term, wiki/Nazism#Etymology).
It's better than 'sockfaces' (like Brownshirts ... or black/blue/gold/silver/red/green/greyshirts) tho they sure do love their sock-faced anonymity in their "public service".
This past September, the company became the first major Hollywood studio to publicly reject a high-profile letter — signed by stars including Stone and Bardem — that urged a cultural boycott of Israeli film institutions accused of engaging in “genocide and apartheid” against Palestinians. Warner Bros. later took the same position.
Ah, so not antisemitic, but "antisemitic". Imagine blacklisting Jewish signers as "antisemitic". Seems the Paramount execs are the actual antisemites.
And by "antisemitic", they are still going by the hilariously outdated notion that maybe last held sway in the 90s, and that means "not sufficiently subservient to just whatever the fuck Israel wants to do"?
Um, it's holds quite a lot of sway all the way to 2025, sadly. It's not outdated because things are getting worse. In the 90s nobody would have agreed with that definition. Yasser Arafat was an extremely popular dude in the 90s. He won the Nobel peace prize because of how popular his work was in the 90s. But he would have been considered hands down antisemetic by today's modern BS definition.
Not everything that is bad is from the past. Some of these things are recent developments. The strangle hold of Israel on US politics is an increasing problem more than it is an outdated past problem.
Also support for Lebanon was very popular in the 90s. Just watch a Kids in The Hall sketch. The 90s doesn't deserve to be maligned with the assumption that all views from then must be worse than the views we have now. You clearly never lived in the 90s.
Heh. I most definitely did live in the 90s. I'm talking about how until being able to talk directly to one another at scale, the old notion of "antisemitic" mostly held sway over us and it was a fantastic way to silence a lot of/most of dissent about Israel. Back when a handful of broadcast networks, cable networks, and newspapers were able to gatekeep nearly all discussions about Israel.
These days, that definition is openly mocked, even on corporate news, no less. Just witness the exchange between Stephen Miller's wife and Cenk Uygur. Stephen Miller's wife tried that nonsense and Cenk was able to rebuke her w/o having his mic cut off.
Not all aspects of being able to do an end-run around gatekeepers is necessarily a good thing, of course. So yeah, not everything from the 90s vs now is good or bad, it very much depends.
Oh man. Star Trek is the only tv show I watch. I guess it is time to sail the high seas.
Admirable tbh. Unfortunately Severance and The Bear still have me in their clutches haha
The seas can solve that problem in 15 minutes and then you have them forever.
MAGA and Jewish space lasers on the same side. I guess they are that stupid.
No wonder South Park is trying to speedrun their contract with Paramount
I would think they'd love being there as a giant fuck you to them.
Like they're daring them to cancel the contract and prob pay out a shitload of money if they do. South Park wins either way.
What are the odds that Mel Gibson isn't on that list
It's in the article. He's not on it.
Is that a bad thing? As in, there are some good actors on that list which won't be making MAGA-friendly films at Paramount.
Oh that would be tough if you were an actor who thinks children deserve to live.
Here is the twist, they don't have the actually anti-semitist people there because definition of this word completely warped thanks to Netanyahu and zionist lobbies. Bask in the glory of your stupidity.
Didn’t these people just say that genocide is bad? So antigenocide is antisemitic, therefore genocide is Semitic. Or is all of this semantics?
Been that way since the beginning and most people where defending it. Somebody talks bad about Israel they where blackballed in Hollywood well another goes on a rant about exterminating the Palestine's and nothing. Glad people are finally waking up to it.
Good thing I’d rather blacklist paramount!
It’s certainly not out of the realm of possibility, since Hollywood loves to blacklist folks in general for opinions outside work. But to outright claim X, Y or Z won’t be working at Paramount seems a bit of a stretch.
There’s a lot of wiggle room in that article. It’s reporting on ‘sources told Variety’ that Paramount is making a list, but that they’re not sure who’s on it. But that they assume these people would be.
It’s all silly anyway. Even folks like Kevin Spacey eventually get back to working in Hollywood. Hollywood principles only go so far once the media attention dies down.
*People critical of the attrocicities being committed by the genocidal Israeli government under netanyahu
I'm sure there's numerous Jewish actors on their list.
Sounds like a good list to be on.
Actively rebranding Antisemitism to be the good thing?
Netanyahu has already done that by so diluting the word "antisemitic" that it means "criticizing anything Israel does, including genocide." Being called antisemitic by his gang is a badge of honor. By ruining the word he has made it far harder for people to raise the alarm about actual antisemitism.
Why are they trying to control media?
To try to control opinions
That’s fine. Movies mostly blow now anyway.
I could swear Ellison bought it to tank it
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