Christian dad sued school to keep his son from knowing that LGBTQ+ people exist. He just won.

9 months ago by MicroWave to c/news

The judge cited the Supreme Court's recent decision establishing parents' right to opt kids out of LGBTQ+ inclusive lessons.

A Boston judge has ruled in favor of a Massachusetts dad who sued his local school district to ensure his five-year-old son is never exposed to books featuring LGBTQ+ characters.

As the Boston Herald reported, the father, identified in court documents as Alan L., is described as a “devout Christian” who objects to the inclusion of certain children’s books featuring LGBTQ+ characters in the kindergarten curriculum of Joseph Estabrook Elementary School, where his son, identified as J.L., is enrolled.

Buffalox 216 points 9 months ago

Religion = denial of reality.

It should be illegal for religious people to indoctrinate children with their religious beliefs.
But in USA they have turned it on its head, and made it illegal to teach the truth because of religious superstition!

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jonathan7luke 49 points 9 months ago

In Texas, voters just passed a constitutional amendment giving parents the right "to exercise care, custody, and control of the parent’s child, including the right to make decisions concerning the child’s upbringing" specifically for cases like this. Almost everyone I spoke to was in full support of it and kept saying "obviously a parent should decide what's best for their child". But as someone who grew up in a toxic religious family, it makes me so sad to see that there's no protection for kids in these situations. Parents can ensure they're doomed to a life of ignorance and bigotry before they even have a chance. :(

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Buffalox 24 points 9 months ago

Legalized child abuse.

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Soggy 8 points 9 months ago

Why even have kids if they can't be warrior-slaves for your crusade?

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EldritchFeminity 2 points 9 months ago

It's the same as the "basic biology" argument. Twisting something to the point it breaks in order to justify their hate. The Bible has gay people in it.

In the Bible, one of the people that Jesus heals is the slave of a Roman soldier. In the original Latin text, the word they use is for a kind of male slave kept as a consort/sex slave. King David, one of God's chosen, is a bisexual man who had multiple wives and a male "friend" who "loved him in a way that no woman ever could."

Being gay or bi was so normal back then that they never bothered to spell it out, not thinking that centuries later some heretics would twist their words to spread their hate.

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Rocketpoweredgorilla 156 points 9 months ago

I see this as a complete parenting fail. It is not your job as a parent to 'protect' your child from the world, it is your job to prepare them for it.

That poor kid is gonna need a lot of therapy later in life after he/she moves out on their own.

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CatZoomies 67 points 9 months ago
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boogiebored 44 points 9 months ago

Parents like this ultimately hope the child never moves out. It is a cult.

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myserverisdown 8 points 9 months ago

Parents like this hope the child moves out when they graduate high school and get rich so their kid can care for them when they're old.

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mellloyellow 5 points 9 months ago

Can confirm. I have a father just like this. He wants me to take care of him despite being a racist transphobic idiot.

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FishFace -6 points 9 months ago

That is a very silly take.

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ExLisper 20 points 9 months ago

You realize they don't really care? They just do it to exert control over public institutions. It's a way of threatening and eventually firing progressive teachers. Majority of those court cases are manufactured by right-wing think tanks and the parents are just some random people. In many cases the "victims" suing were not even real. It doesn't matter. The Supreme Court will eventually take the case and give Christians another win.

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FishFace 4 points 9 months ago

The politicians who confect the controversy may do it for that reason, but you're making a mistake if you think the ordinary believers are anything but sincere in their beliefs.

How do they square it then? Well, that's easy: they themselves weren't really exposed to gay people growing up and they turned out just fine - they hate gay people, just like God intended.

I honestly think that people following this line of people just really can't imagine that people are that prejudiced, but they do be like that.

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ExLisper 5 points 9 months ago

They sure are homophobic but they don't normally sue schools to shield their children from LGBT books just like they don't normally go to court to let them discriminate gay couples in their bakery. Lawsuits like that cost money. If you appeal and appeal up to the Supreme Court it costs serious money. These lawsuits are politically motivated hit jobs sponsored but right wing donors and executed by right wing think tanks. People really need to realize this is how they operate now. Those are not some grassroots movements or random Christians trying to "protect" their kids. Those are all well prepared, targeted actions, sometimes planned and executed over many years. This is how they overturned Roe v. Wade, this is how they took control over public libraries and this is how they will take over education.

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FishFace 2 points 9 months ago

I don't think "most people don't have a billion dollars to use the US court system" says much about what they'd do if they did have a billion dollars.

Yeah, the money to fight it may be donated by people with ulterior motives - or it may be donated by a million true believers - but that doesn't change that there are true believers, and trying to pretend they don't exist will lead you to say stupid things and fight back in the wrong way.

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notwhoyouthink 6 points 9 months ago

Teach them how to think, not what to think.

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Kolanaki 93 points 9 months ago

And now because of the Streisand Effect, their child knows all about LGBTQ+ people while also having the knowledge that their dad is a piece of shit.

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UnderpantsWeevil 32 points 9 months ago

And now because of the Streisand Effect

The point isn't actually to "protect the child from knowing". The point is to censor school faculty from speaking positively of LGBTQ+ people and to exclusively degrade and slander the community from reactionary media organs.

The kid will absolutely know about LGBTQ+ people, because their minister will give fire and brimstone speeches about how the community is full of sinful and debauched degenerates. The kid will be raised to hate and fear LGBTQ+ people because they will only be shown to him in the most negative light.

This lawsuit guarantees any public employee who contradicts this framing can be legally fired, that they can suffer civil and criminal liabilities that bankrupt them, and that the kid can be used as a weapon to justify this persecution.

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nickiwest 14 points 9 months ago

I think you're right.

I grew up in the '80s, and I heard more about "homosexuals" in church than anywhere else. (I also knew far more about abortion than anyone else in my kindergarten class. As an adult, I would say my understanding was not age-appropriate.)

The good news is that the final straw for me losing my faith was going to university and actually meeting openly gay people. They were nothing like I had been taught they would be. And the whole evangelical house of cards came crashing down for me.

I hope other kids in these sorts of households have similar revelations.

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fluffykittycat 5 points 9 months ago

these churches mistreat children for their own gain. it's sickening

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azureskypirate 4 points 9 months ago

I think you are right, and I find the thought of raising someone with the intent to keep them ignorant is gross.

As a teacher, one could not bring up the subject, but one could encourage critical thinking. 

If I had the opportunity, but with these constraints I would say:

"How do you know they are bad (or X opinion)? The Church thought Galileio was wrong about the sun being in the center of the solar system, and scientists thout Harlen Bretz's theory about the Missoula floods sounded too biblical. Anyone can be wrong; so it is important to gather information and decide for yourself."

And yes, I believe a child would understand the point, even if they don't get the references.

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UnderpantsWeevil 5 points 9 months ago

There's a very "We Report You Decide" attitude among liberal teachers. And while I don't object to it on it's face, I gotta say it feels more and more like bringing a pea shooter to a machine gun fight.

I wouldn't expect anyone - child or adult - to intuit morality. At some point you just have to hang the rainbow flag and declare your classroom a safe space for transgender kids

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SkunkWorkz 86 points 9 months ago

Doesn’t this open the way for a parent to sue the school over Christian symbolism? A parent could should take that school to court over a Christmas tree.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 35 points 9 months ago

yes and you know it doesn't work that way

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frongt 7 points 9 months ago

In Massachusetts it might.

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UnderpantsWeevil 19 points 9 months ago

It's Heads-I-Win and Tails-You-Lose in the Trump-stacked court system.

You're looking at the judiciary as some kind of impartial machine, but you need to see it as a Vegas Casino, where you can maybe win a hand or two here or there but the game is stacked against you by design.

There is no world in which a conservative court bans Christmas Trees or Crosses or any other Christian iconography, because these courts are run by evangelical Christians for the benefit of evangelical Christians. You might as well ask a Chinese court to remove images of Mao from the classroom or an Iranian court to outlaw the Koran.

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theuniqueone 16 points 9 months ago

I mean yes but also You're out of touch if you think the judges value internal consistency like that.

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desertdruid 2 points 9 months ago

no wonder the system is a joke

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Sprocketfree 15 points 9 months ago

Pledge of allegiance should be banned too

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oopsgodisdeadmybad 2 points 9 months ago

Opting-out should just be done away with. I had to deal with that, during school, and 8th grade was my first real exposure to non church kids.

I naturally avoided everything that was obviously gay-ish, just because of how I was brought up. I'm still learning things that I have to unlearn, 25 years later.

It really fucks you up in life, if you're like me and are an actually decent person that was just raised in the fucked-up cult of Christianity.

The entire process of getting woke was just a constant realization of the huge amount of different kinds of people and ideas I had spent my life shitting on.

I haven't done anything besides just blind hatred, but given how fucked the process is (of coming out of it), I've blacked a lot of it out. Kinda like I blacked out most of the week one of my brothers died. I've just kinda put up crime scene tape around memories that hurt too much.

The opt-out thing is only a tiny piece of my trauma, but it did hold me back yet further. And kids will humiliate kids that don't get to go to the sex ed classes. So beyond getting held back which I only realize the damage of now, at the time, being late to learning about sex was embarrassing, which I did feel immediately.

I get why the option is attractive to super religious and controlling parents, but given that they're all just blatantly wrong, this option should just be removed from their arsenal. If you want to legally harm your children, that's what private school (read: religious school) is for.

But public school should not support that choice. If you're gonna hurt your kids, you better have to pay out the big bucks to do it.

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mrgoosmoos 1 point 9 months ago

it absolutely does

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RotatingParts 73 points 9 months ago

Christianity has harmed more people that LGBTQ people have. Many types of Christians have to try and save you by converting you. LGBTQ folks aren't trying to convert you.

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AdolfSchmitler 25 points 9 months ago

Compare the number of Christians convicted of child sex crimes vs the number of LGBTQ+ who have and it paints a pretty one sided picture.

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samus12345 2 points 9 months ago

Numbers wouldn't be meaningful, only percentages.

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AdolfSchmitler 1 point 9 months ago

It would be the same result either way

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samus12345 1 point 9 months ago

It would probably be a pretty similar percentage. Plus lots of LGBTQ+ people are also Christians. What would they be counted as?

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FishFace -6 points 9 months ago

I bet the numbers per capita are pretty similar.

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TrousersMcPants 9 points 9 months ago

You'd probably lose that bet

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FishFace -3 points 9 months ago

Why do you think that? Is it because of all the news you've read about Catholic priests?

What do you think the balance of news was like before that story came out?

The bull hypothesis has got to be that people all have the same base line propensity. The only thing I know that changes it is themselves being abused as children.

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spacesatan 2 points 9 months ago

I would actually bet slanted slightly towards LGBT because of self-id. The mental hurdle of accepting that you're attracted to people of the same gender is hopefully lower than accepting that you're attracted to children.

Then again, maybe the opposite is true for christians.

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BarneyPiccolo 9 points 9 months ago

Many types of Christians have to try and save you by converting you. LGBTQ folks aren't trying to convert you.

That's one motivation behind their behavior. Since they are constantly trying to manipulate people to join them, they assume the gays are recruiting, too.

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Aneb 3 points 9 months ago

"The fluoride in the water is making the frogs gay" - one of America's greatest thinkers /s

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TrickDacy 7 points 9 months ago

It's not just Christianity. Religion is the excuse to be hateful

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hopesdead 4 points 9 months ago

I’ve actual heard decades ago people insist that the LGBTQ community was in fact trying to convert people.

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fluffykittycat 1 point 9 months ago

they never stopped saying that at any point from then to now

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Fedizen 1 point 9 months ago

Imagine thinking evangelicals aren't the ones converting people away from a religion of hate, hubris and hypocrisy.

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T00l_shed 56 points 9 months ago

Ok, no more Bible. After all eve came from Adam's rib right?

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Triumph 35 points 9 months ago

Now all I can think of is Eve pleasuring herself with a human rib.

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gh0stb4tz 15 points 9 months ago

New kink unlocked.

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ThePantser 7 points 9 months ago

Giggity, but is rib just another word for penis?

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Triumph 16 points 9 months ago

TBF, everything is another word for penis.

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imsufferableninja 3 points 9 months ago

Penis bone, or baculum

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Uruanna 3 points 9 months ago

No, it was a pun for "life" in the Sumerian original.

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Akasazh 1 point 9 months ago

It would explain the Mcrib

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phutatorius 3 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I guess it wouldn't be a barbecued pork rib, would it?

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ApatheticCactus 1 point 9 months ago

Pleasure yourself with the all new McDonald's McRib this Easter.

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dhork 26 points 9 months ago

Some Athiest should sue to get all religious texts banned in that district, using this ruling as direct precedent.

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criticon 4 points 9 months ago

Do you think they read the Bible? (Or read any books at all?)

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Drusas 4 points 9 months ago

The average American has a sixth grade reading level and some 14% are functionally illiterate (https://www.ebsco.com/...).

Do you know how hard the bible is to read even as a literate person? Even if they did read it, most wouldn't know what they were reading.

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exu 19 points 9 months ago

The bible confirms God has male and female sexual organs

So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

Genesis 1:27

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boogiebored 10 points 9 months ago

Gen 1:26 weirdly

Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground”

Monotheism came later.

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Duke_Nukem_1990 3 points 9 months ago

Correct, either Adam or Eve was canonically trans.

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P1nkman 0 points 9 months ago

Yeah, so men are giving their own rib. That's kinda gay. Not that I mind being called gay, even though I'm straight (I tried sucking dick. Twice! Not my thing) 🤓

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MantisToboggon 54 points 9 months ago

I don't believe in Christians

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rossman 49 points 9 months ago

Amazing they enroll someone in school to not learn things. Devout ignorance.

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whitecollarcry 18 points 9 months ago
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Gathorall 3 points 9 months ago

Also worshipping a callous, narsiscistic bully lest they torture you for eternity, so it is really weird when people say someone like Trump is unchristian. He's actually godlike as he appears in the book, no wonder so many fall in line.

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ILikeBoobies 47 points 9 months ago

Kid is going to have a rude awakening when he runs a web query on his dad and everything that comes up has “gay” in the title.

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III 6 points 9 months ago

Dad vs Reality lawsuit incoming.

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ThePantser 46 points 9 months ago

Your Religion = What YOU can't do, NOT what I can't do.

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FishFace 7 points 9 months ago

That very much is not what religion is about, in general.

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E_coli42 38 points 9 months ago

Ban books that show people wearing clothes with mixed fabrics! Its against mah religion!

Why do fundamentalist Christians choose homosexuality specifically as their hill to die on?

Leviticus 19:19

“You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material.”

Deuteronomy 22:11

“You shall not wear cloth of wool and linen mixed together.”

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jjjalljs 12 points 9 months ago

Why do fundamentalist Christians choose homosexuality specifically as their hill to die on?

It's an easy out-group to identify and target.

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mcv 2 points 9 months ago

With the advantage that the target can't easily opt out of it. It's probably fairly easy to stop wearing clothes from a wool/linen mix (although avoiding cotton/polyester might be harder), so your target disappears.

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E_coli42 1 point 9 months ago

That's very interesting. So much of culture often comes back to biology or geography. It's funny how an evolutionary advantageous biological instinct of forming an in-group vs out-group to manage resource scarcity eventually led to fundamentalist Christians hating gays.

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radio 8 points 9 months ago

This guy is probably one of two types: a) He's a culture warrior who gets a little thrill if he makes life a bit harder for the gays because he was told they are the enemy or b) he needs to uphold his current cultural zeitgeist because if people are allowed to do the things that make them happy then what's stopping him from banging his hot neighbor Greg and if he can do that he's wasted his life married to a person he's not actually attracted to and it was all a lie. So he goes super hard on being anti-gay to stop those intrusive thoughts. Stay occupied. Don't think about it. Hate hate hate.

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Drusas 6 points 9 months ago

Or c) this parent is a pawn being used by right wing interests.

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ScoffingLizard 2 points 9 months ago

Ding ding ding

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mcv 36 points 9 months ago

As a Christian, I object to books featuring rich people, people who don't help poor people, people who don't heal the sick, and people who are mean to foreigners. Unless the perpetrators of those unChristian acts get their comeuppance, of course. Can I now demand from schools that my kid doesn't get exposed to those kinds of books?

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MehBlah 29 points 9 months ago

That is when you know you are losing when you have to hide the truth from your kid.

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SayJess 25 points 9 months ago

Death. At this point, I just wish death upon these hateful people.

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allriledup 18 points 9 months ago
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Bazell -6 points 9 months ago

The other choice is to wait. If the system exists against the laws of world and has not enough energy to sustain itself - it will collapse/dissappear. Thus, there is no need to kill such people until they are a direct threat to you. They will either adapt to a new world or dissappear by themselves.

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gravitas_deficiency 20 points 9 months ago

The problem is that they are a direct threat to a lot of people.

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Arrhenius -19 points 9 months ago
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edible_funk 1 point 9 months ago

Read MLK's letters from a Birmingham jail. Pay close attention to the bit about the white moderate, you may find it personally relevant.

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Arrhenius -17 points 9 months ago
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allriledup 19 points 9 months ago
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Arrhenius -13 points 9 months ago
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SayJess 11 points 9 months ago

You support a child rapist. You like that? Are you also into that? Is that why you support Trump? I hope you get a paper cut that is really annoying.

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allriledup 4 points 9 months ago
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Arrhenius -6 points 9 months ago
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prole 5 points 9 months ago

Wishing death on me, cause I don’t want my kids to become to cut of their penis.

Pardon? Want to give that another try?

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the_q 6 points 9 months ago
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FishFace 3 points 9 months ago

Education. And just because they're trying to pervert the education system doesn't mean there aren't other routes to education, but protecting and rebuilding public education needs to be a top priority.

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the_q -1 points 9 months ago
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Bazell -16 points 9 months ago

If you wish death to someone, expect the same to be wished to you. Some people don't like other people and that is OK. There is no reason to show violence towards them until they are a threat to you.

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SayJess 11 points 9 months ago

I’ll clarify: Many of these people wish to “eradicate transgenderism”. They want to eliminate a group of people. How does one go about that exactly? Make us flee? Throw trans women in men’s prisons? Camps?

Way back when, I tried to show that we are humans, like them. No more. If they’d leave us alone, I would have no problem with them. They are free to think and believe what they want. But they won’t stop. They’ll never stop. And they have all of the power. If they throw the full force of the state at us, we would have zero chance of being able to fight back. I don’t think any of my neighbors would get in the way of a pig with a gun for me.

So yeah, I wish death upon them now. Fuck ‘em. They want to erase us from society? Then I wish the same for them.

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Bazell -4 points 9 months ago

Well, I don't support the violence from both sides here, so I wish you only good luck then. Especially, because of rising chances of a revolution and/or a civil war in the USA.

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Rothe 8 points 9 months ago

They are a threat. They are murdering people right now.

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20cello 24 points 9 months ago

Bigotry ftw

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barooboodoo 23 points 9 months ago

As the Boston Herald reported, the father, identified in court documents as Alan L., is described as a “devout Christian” who objects to the inclusion of certain children’s books featuring LGBTQ+ characters in the kindergarten curriculum of Joseph Estabrook Elementary School, where his son, identified as J.L., is enrolled.

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phutatorius 19 points 9 months ago

Seems like an ideal candidate for home-schooling, though that's a shitty thing to do to a kid.

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reddig33 1 point 9 months ago

This problem is going to work itself out, as the public school system is being killed off. “Don’t like what your school is teaching? Go somewhere else. It’s a free market. Here’s your voucher.”

Of course this new system will create a whole host of other problems.

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FerretyFever0 14 points 9 months ago

I didn't even find out what gay people were until like 5th grade. This is all completely unnecessary to achieve their bigotry.

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Slashme 11 points 9 months ago

The case isn't finished yet, I see, so maybe sanity can yet prevail. So far it's just a preliminary injunction.

“The question presented here is not whether the viewpoints of plaintiff, or those of the school officials, are ‘correct’ as a matter of religious faith or political or social belief. Nor is it whether the materials should be part of the kindergarten curriculum for other students,” Saylor, a George W. Bush appointee, explained. “Instead, this case presents a narrow question: whether these specific defendants have provided the required notice and opportunity to review materials that this specific plaintiff may find objectionable, so that he may opt his child out of classroom instruction that violates his religious beliefs.”

In granting Alan L.’s request for a preliminary injunction, which will remain in place while the case proceeds, Saylor ordered the school and district to “make reasonable efforts to ensure that J.L. is not taught or otherwise exposed to the content of the Identified Books, whether in the classroom or any other school setting” and to ensure J.L. receives “reasonable age-appropriate alternative instruction.”

Lawyers for Lexington Public Schools, however, said the district looks forward to “aggressively defending against these claims.” In a statement, attorneys Douglas I. Louison and Alexandra M. Gill noted the district’s existing religious-based opt-out program and that the Supreme Court’s Mahmoud decision “made it clear that depicting the mere existence of potentially-offensive values or lifestyles is not enough to warrant an opt-out, and that it is the messaging associated with those potentially-offensive materials that determines whether an opt-out is warranted.”

“In this case, the materials are not associated with any LGBTQ+-focused curriculum or paired instruction, nor was the student even exposed to the two books at issue,” Louison and Gill added, according to the Herald.

Louison and Gill also noted the burden opt-out demands like Alan L.’s place on schools.

“This is not like a student with a peanut allergy, where the implementation of an accommodation to protect the student is reasonably clear,” they wrote. “Schools are burdened enough without having to scour the pages of a storybook for potentially gay-appearing characters. At what point, for instance, is a character’s haircut too short to presume they are a woman? Are two men sitting together at a restaurant presumed to be gay, or might they just be friends? There are innumerable scenarios like these, and schools are now being forced to make near-impossible judgments.”

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VitoRobles 4 points 9 months ago

I remember sanity. That was like in 2010 when there was talk about Universal Healthcare.

Oh my I dropped my dentures.

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fartographer 10 points 9 months ago

is never exposed to books featuring LGBTQ+ characters

Bad news on that Bible, buddy

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Bwaz 9 points 9 months ago

If there's a gilod, this guy's kid will be gay, and not shy about it.

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Leather 4 points 9 months ago

As jesus preached "Don't be a bag of dicks!", and it's never stopped one one of these bigoted fuckers from cherry picking the message of their god. May his sons loafers be so light he floats.

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chronicledmonocle 9 points 9 months ago

$20 says this fuck rubs it to gay porn.

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CXORA 6 points 9 months ago

You honestly think its more likely that he's gay than just the standard kind of homophobic christian??

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chronicledmonocle 1 point 9 months ago

I mean....how many people who are anti-gay come out every week or two in politics that are actually gay and brainwashed by religion to suppress their own desires? It's why priests are the way they are.

That said, my comment was mostly in jest.

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CXORA 7 points 9 months ago

How often would someone who is anti-gay being straight be reported on by the media? This narrative that most homophobes are gay is really harmful and misguided.

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chronicledmonocle 6 points 9 months ago

Harm wasn't intended. Sorry for the misguided humor. I'll keep this in mind in the future.

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Fives 8 points 9 months ago

Nothing inspires curiosity more than making something forbidden.

That kid is gonna find out ALL KINDS of information that his dad doesn’t want him to know about from his peers. Some of it good, most of it inaccurate, but you go ahead, dad.

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VitoRobles 9 points 9 months ago

Dad is setting his son up for not talking to him when he's an adult.

We should all be so proud of Dad already preparing a life of dying alone. Bless.

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UnderpantsWeevil 8 points 9 months ago

To think, if we'd had this kind of majority 20 years ago, we could have removed the entire study of evolution from high school criteria.

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Formfiller 7 points 9 months ago

That dude is probably on Grindr

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frongt 6 points 9 months ago

If he cares that much about giving his kid a warped view of reality, he should be homeschooling.

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Fedizen 5 points 9 months ago

This seems a lot like "schools have to participate in santa claus kayfabe" and it seems stupid and unworkable.

What if your belief is that sun orbits the earth? That germ theory isn't real?

The supreme court should be in jail for making a ruling this stupid.

Edit: On the funnier side this suggests schools cannot legally mention marriage and it would be perfectly fine for them to ban things like wedding bands to prevent children from learning about sexuality. Malicious compliance needs to be done here.

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Ensign_Crab 4 points 9 months ago

He'll find out when his dad is the bad guy in the documentary.

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ZILtoid1991 3 points 9 months ago

Wait until neonazis will use this to opt out their kids from holocaust education!

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cdf12345 3 points 9 months ago

A Boston judge has ruled in favor of a Massachusetts dad who sued his local school district to ensure his five-year-old son is never exposed to books featuring Christian characters.

As the Boston Herald reported, the father, identified in court documents as Alan L., is described as "queer" who objects to the inclusion of certain children’s books featuring Christian characters in the kindergarten curriculum of Joseph Estabrook Elementary School, where his son, identified as J.L., is enrolled.

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thethunderwolf 2 points 9 months ago

Morons just won the Morons vs Reality case

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unemployedclaquer 2 points 9 months ago

impressed with y'all for chasing that guy out

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DylanMc6 2 points 9 months ago

I really hope that kid comes out as LGBTQ in the future. I can just imagine them as Columbia at a Rocky Horror shadowcast midnight screening. Seriously!

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thethunderwolf 1 point 9 months ago

I would argue that this is inhumane treatment of the child. Depriving people of publically available knowledge in order to enforce an ideology is mistreatment and oppression of said people.

Ideological control and enforcement should not be a parental right; this is child abuse. They're forcing the child into the parents' ideology, which violates the child's right to free thought.

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