Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor arrested and in custody on suspicion of misconduct in public office
4 months ago by fiat_lux ⛓️💥 to c/world
Summary
Police say King Charles's brother is in custody and officers are carrying out searches at addresses in Berkshire and Norfolk - read the police statement in full
Almost certainly; Andrew lives on Charles’ private estate.
They didn't.
"The Press Association is reporting that neither King Charles nor Buckingham Palace was informed in advance of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor’s arrest."
I mean…
I have to assume thr relatively precarious position the royals have is stopping him
Charles also said something like "the law must take its course" in reaction to the news, so I think he might just let it play out
Uh, yeah there is. It needs to be recommended by ministers.
He can't do that.
The charge is sharing goverment documents. The penalty is a fine.
That's not exactly the same as not asking for permission. They could have asked, but not told him when or how. I would assume they didn't, based on the wording, but there is some room where they could have still.
And what a record it was! Empire’s torture, internment and state killings, racist borders and racist policing, catastrophic wars sold on certainty they didn’t have, colonialism and ethnic cleansing and genocides, a little bit of family racism drama as a cherry on top, and a strong propaganda machine to sell her as a sweet old woman without much power and to ensure people still defend her and worship her.
Her record was too tarnished to blemish.
As a one of her foreign subjects. May I say god save the Queen, because nothing will save the Governor General.
Fuck the queen, fuck the monarchy.
I'm not British but I'm also very surprised. I can't help but wonder if they would have dared had he still had his title?
on his birthday too.
The cops took the phrase "the icing on the cake" literally, and I think it was an excellent choice.
I can't help but wonder if they would have dared had he still had his title?
I would assume that the king and other interested parties will have known this was coming for a while and that is why he lost his title.
Maybe, I'm not so sure. I had thought they knew it was very likely the accusations were true, but they spent a lot of time sidestepping action. If public criticism hadn't been so relentless, they might have been content to sweep it under the rug, as is tradition.
But I have never kept close track of the royal family, largely because I always assumed they were untouchable.
they spent a lot of time sidestepping action
That's sort of my point though, they spent years protecting him and then suddenly a few months ago something made them turn on a dime and strip him of his titles very rapidly. I suspect that "something" was being told the police had enough evidence to arrest him.
Charles has always hated and envied Andrew. He removed him from Royal duties as soon as he had the power to do so.
The law wanted to send a clear message, just 25 years too late.
Blame Queen Elizabeth. She was more interested in preserving the monarchy than Andrew's victims. There has to be a better way to promote tourism.
Got to have a couple of examples of the rich and powerful going away for their crimes so the plebs don't realise how stacked against them the system really is.
As an American citizen I'm wildly jealous.
The evidence is right there and we're the only ones that don't seem to give a s***.
Arrested on his birthday too.
Love seeing this creep go down.
As an American I find this confusing to arrest a rich, powerful person on criminal charges.
A rich, white, pedophile! Arrested. Have they no respect? What will they do next... tax them?
They're not going after him for Pedophilia.
Apparently as per the rationale of some very pro-Royal British newspapers, the police doesn't have the resources to properly investigate and prosecute him for Pedophilia, even though according to the news just the other day they arrest 1000 people a year for that very crime.
Yes, I've read. I hope it's one those "Al Capone arrested for Tax Evasion" things where they just went for the one that was easier to prove. I know very little about UK law, but I doubt he would have been arrested on those charges if he hadn't been already disgraced.
But my joke was more on other rich, white, alleged pedophiles with ties to Epstein and the weird fact that people keep bringing those things up when the DOW is over 50000
Because the other rich powerful cunts already decided they don't care about him
There is more happening on a global level from the findings in the Epstein files then there is in the US. The US just gets tweets and soundbites on the news. The US is a joke.
Sadly, as I understood from a report I saw this morning, it's not in connection to his pedophilia but to sending highly sensitive gov docs to Epstein which may have been used for financial gain.
But at least he's been arrested for something
And they arrested and imprisoned Al Capone for tax evasion. The important part is they arrested him, and secondly that it was for something related to Epstein. Hopefully the ensuing investigation will cause more details to be revealed and a wider reckoning to occur, but either way, he’s no longer free.
In the UK there's quite the tradition of using the Justice System to merelly whitewash the crimes of the Aristocracy, so better wait until the trial is over before one starts celebrating this.
I'm hopeful, Al wasn't as well connected as Andrew, and seeing how the US has pursued it, I hope the UK does better.
which still comes from the Epstein files right?
Especially when the US justice system nailed Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein with fewer adult(?) victims.
over the alleged sharing of confidential material by the former prince with late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein
Really? Not because he's a sex offender himself maybe? I'm happy to see an arrest, but fucking really!?
Might be a matter of what they can prove definitively. Better to hit him with a charge they know will stick than one that he has a chance to wiggle out from.
Because even in the Epstein files most people aren't saying "ay Jeff, cheers for the fifteen year-old lasses we all shagged, see you next time," but they are saying "here are the minutes of the cabinet meeting/this is what the prime minister thinks about regulating your company/this is the most he's willing to give you a tax break for" in emails because that stuff had to be communicated somehow.
We can all see that Andrew probably committed some sex crimes. But being a suspicious creepy fucker, being accused, and having a photo of you crouching over a girl would not be enough evidence to get you or me charged with a crime either. The counterweight to "nobody is above the law" is "nobody shall be convicted except on the evidence."
Yes, sadly, this will be about selling state secrets, not pedophilia. Of course, Trump did the same thing out of Maralago.
It's sad that all too often there is insufficient evidence to charge people with sexual crimes, but he's being charged with a very serious crime for which there apparently is sufficient evidence. It's no competition, but betraying your country causes small amounts of harm to millions of people, which is not less important than causing extreme harm to a small number of people.
The worst part is that the evidence exists. It's just that the US is doing nothing with it. The best anyone can do is sieve through the breadcrumbs they gave us and do the most we can with it.
CPS generally charges what they can reasonably prove.
*and since he's high profile I expect (hope) they aren't going to fuck it up. get him for something like this, maybe it opens the doors to further charges. Anyway, living in hope.
Across the pond, whenever they'd get a big Mafia don, usually it wasn't because of all the bodies in the river wearing concrete shoes. Usually, it was due to unpaid taxes or some white-collar bullshit. I guess they take what they can get?
Unfortunately, I fear most of the fallout from this will be that we “know” what some people did, but few will actually be held legally responsible. There’s the bar of proof that satisfies the public (the “sniff test?”), and what’s required for a conviction in court. In the end, any punishment is better than none. One up side could be that, because of what the public “knows” happened, those that are punished will hopefully be unlikely to see any lenience in sentencing. Not hopeful after seeing Maxwell’s treatment, but early days.
We can hope Mandelson is next, he shared information with Epstein too if I recall.
They never go down for their worst crimes. Usually they are guilty of horrible things, killing people with greed and knowing lies, but get taken down with sex scandals. So when it's an actual sex scandal I'm not surprised it's some other thing.
I think because other connected people don't want to be implicated, so they make sure the person is convicted on something unrelated and use their influence to keep the charges off the larger issue perhaps. Never more true than with this case, they are all implicated. Who is they? Every swell in the US and UK apparently. Just presume anyone in the US that went to the ivy league and was in a private club hung out with epstein. (Private clubs started after civil rights triumphed, when they had to start taking in deserving poor and minorities, they started the clubs to differentiate between the aristocracy that almost exclusively runs our business and government, and the dirty charity cases.)
There has been a significant development in that case, so that’s what they’re investigating.
Well actually it was the taxpayer that had 12 million quid, then gave it to a sweaty nonce for some ungodly reason
glad the queen is rotting in hell
I did not expect this.
Sadly, this proves that even the infamously evil ROYAL FAMILY has more integrity than Trump and our politicians (including Democrats).
Which is fucking terrifying, really. Brace yourselves, keep your chin up, and all of that
I cannot disagree! We can see the effects of "corporations are people" and "money is free speech" all around us.
Every year the corporate dystopia gets more obscene.
Note that he didn't got arrested for the pedophilia part.
Also, this being Britain, best wait until the end of the trial to see if he gets convicted and if the sentence is in line with that for similar situations
When comes to nobles over there using the Justice System as a form of whitewash is pretty standard: there's this story of some Peer getting convicted for a second time for Fraud and the high court judge letting him go without any penalty saying that "the shame of a conviction is enough".
You have to start by removing his title.
Lol, no. Trump isn't going to be prosecuted for mishandling government documents. Again.
Funny how I knew it wasn't in America not because of the name, but because someone in public office went into custody.
He's being arrested for sharing official documents. Not the disgusting crimes he committed against children and/or women. It's not real accountability, it's theater meant to placate the angry masses.
I read some analysis on this in the guardian, it predicted this would happen, because the police have limited resources and can only follow up one of the two charges. This charge is chosen because there is far more likely to be incontrovertible evidence, probably in the form of paper trails etc. Whereas proving he raped children decades ago relies on witness testimony, which is far easier for his very expensive (taxpayer-funded, mind) lawyers to talk down in court.
If this cunt sees a single day in prison I call that a win.
A good sentiment, though I suspect you shouldn't hold your breath on the prison thing - he's already been released from custody.
Of course he has. The law is made to protect him.
Go check out the fawning coverage of The Royals by The Guardian over the years.
It surprises me not at all that "on such an unfortunate occasion" The Guardian would be busy spinning a "reasonable" rationally for not taking to court a member of the Royal Family for those crimes which would result in a lot of dirty linen being washed in public.
"The policy have limited resources, nothing we can do about it, best let it go"
(Curiously, the police have the resources to, for example, go after people against the Genocide in Gaza as Terrorist Supporters or Demonstrators for "Disturbing Public Order")
I'm in complete agreement
Trump had crates full of official documents in his bathroom and nobody touched him in four years.
It's likely all they have sufficient evidence to charge him with in their jurisdiction.
Yeah... but I have to assume, given the ruling-class solidarity, that that's because they don't adequately investigate the reports by the victimized women / children. I know that's how it goes in the US.
There doesn't really seem to much being shown here. They've not secretly come and arrested him quietly questioned him and released him and from the photos it doesn't look like he's been told "don't worry it's a dog and pony show, we're just going through"
How far that stretches, we'll have to see, I doubt he'll see a cell but let's give them some time to see how things develop.
The penalty is mostly fines. Even sharing military secrets in UK is only 2 years. WTF Brits.
OTOH - consider the plight of Manning and Snowden. Perhaps a penalty of 2 years would encourage whistleblowers?
Oh, I see, it's funny because it's not true! Ha ha! Ohhhhh
Meanwhile in america: {crickets, followed by a tumbleweed blowing across a sand covered road}
And that's after the obese orange child rapist was best friends with Epstein for decades, and has been mentioned many thousands of times, with thousands of pictures, and numerous sexual accusations all in the Epstein files.
The fat cunt could shoot a baby live on TV and no fucker would do a thing about it.
It’s incredibly conspicuous that Trump hasn’t arrested anyone over this. He’ll take any opportunity to persecute his perceived enemies, and plenty of them are in the files. He sues people over absolutely nothing. It’s weird that not one prosecution has gone down. He’ll probably even pardon Maxwell.
Yeah, but have you considered the Dow? The Dow is at 50$... or something.
The Falklands war took a heavy toll on his physical and mental health.
One of his jobs as chopper pilot was to hover near ships, to use himself as a decoy to lure away heatseeker missiles. Enough to age anyone.
I wonder if this walking pile of stale bread is sweating now.
HOLY CRAP IT'S REAL.
I didn't believe it when I first saw it. FUCKING AWESOME.
The nonce formerly known as prince facing justice? Wow. I'm looking out of the window right now waiting for the pigs to fly by.
What concerns me more is preparing to deal with the monkeys that will be coming out of my butt.
Hang the childfuckers high! As per law with due process obviously, and yes I know they don't have the death penalty which I do not support generally because we can't trust authorities to get the right people let alone to decide who should be executed.
Still though, send this guy to like a penal colony on some island north of scotland or something, building sea bird habitat on bread and water rations.
He been arrested for misconduct whilst in public office, so not for being a nonce. It’s for sharing information.
They can lay additional charges later. This just gets him in the system.
No
Add South Korea to the list.
That also Filipinos have sent Duterte to The Hague.
Aaaaand they released him
They have to, this was for pre-charge questioning, and they have time limits on custody for that. They've also searched 3 of his properties and his former residence. The question now is when and if they formally charge him.
I am taking a wild guess that other kiddy diddlers do not get this luxury treatment.
It's all in the Epstein files. He exchanged state secrets for favors.
Some of those who have billions
Are the same who rape children
RATM
This would have to be absolutely fucking airtight to even be contemplated.
I wonder if he's finally sweating now.
Republicanists (no relation to the rotten GOP) are going to have a field day today.
It's on the Beeb. Full throttle. https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=M5I5ATQy6zk
Also, he's gonna be a fucking meme.
It does somewhat undermine their claims that the Royals are above the law
Charles is. The CPS prosecutes in his name.
None of the others are though.
Andrew is not a royal. Charles had to remove his title.
Thats seperate. Only the Sovereign is “above the law” and that in effect just means Parliament would hold the trial rather than the judiciary.
Hah hah! Happy birthday, nonce!
US appoints all kinds of people to government senior roles no one would elect.
Kind of a half decent use for them if you think about it, they're probably quite good on etiquette and come with a certain cachet regardless of what we may think.
The final prisoners at the Tower were the Kray twins in 1952.
Perhaps King Charles has had enough of his sick fuck brother. Slow castration with hot oil is in order and since the UK does not have the death penalty, a dungeon with public viewing.
Justice!
Not exactly, the arrest is about stealing and sharing state secrets, not the children he raped.
While it's true and that's what they're investigating, they're searching his devices and his properties and they can prosecute on anything they find.
Hell of a lot more than most people expected.
At least it's something. At least it shows someone rich and powerful can be held accountable for crimes
Well, fair play to the current royal house. Prince Charles (he'll always be a prince to me) upholds the liberal values and accountability since his grandfather's time.
This must be some other Charles
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As a British person that's something I thought I'd never see.
Arrested on his birthday too.
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