It's not about white or brown. It's easier for them to get support to abuse the brown people, it doesn't mean white people are safe, or they won't be working to hurt them. In fact everything they are doing is getting license to hurt white people en masse in the united states proper, while they steal elections, and throw protesters in camps, with courts unable to issue nationwide injunctions now.

That said, the Iranians are basically white, without the head gear they would fit right in, Iran means Aryan by the way. From being settled by horse tribes from the steppes of Asia around 1,500 bc,

I love that disclaimer. I feel like I need to put it on everything. People seem quite incapable of separating descriptive and normative statements on here.

That is true they do.

Irish people are like physically some of the whitest people in existence. All the Celts, Germanics are up there, very fair skin, starved of vitamin d for ages presumably they developed that skin to produce more when they did get sun.

I don't see a whole lot of lesson-learning going on. Except by those who have been taught that when they break laws there isn't punishment

If we read of one man robbed, or murdered, or killed by accident, or one house burned, or one vessel wrecked, or one steamboat blown up, or one cow run over on the Western Railroad, or one mad dog killed, or one lot of grasshoppers in the winter, - we need never read of another. One is enough. If you are acquainted with the principle, what do you care for a myriad instances and applications?

-Thoreau, Walden

They need the current system in place way more than we do. They benefit greatly by this system, we don't. They may THREATEN to burn it down, but they won't. They worked too hard, and they benefit too much by it, to let it go.

Before they'll destroy the system that has made them wealthy, and will continue to make them wealthy, they'll surrender, and live to fight another day.

They'll kill MAGA before they'll kill the THEIR economy.

One burned down system please!

And they'll just latch on to the next toad creature that comes along, they always do, they won't all suddenly un-fascist themselves.

Cute, you think it's a country in charge? HA

The USA and Israel serve the same master

Or less charitably we can say the president, and congress, are Israel's bitch.

It's more like Israel is our unsinkable aircraft carrier next to the gas station

Truthfully I think a new war now would destroy them. If they let midterms happen

Right now is when the situation in Iran is ripe though with their protests.

Idk, it will spike gas prices presumably, one thinks Iran would shut down the straits of hormuz this time, I can't believe they didn't last time though so what do I know. But it will supercharge inflation, and gas prices, 25% of oil moves through there.

Plus once a ship gets blown up, insurance pulls their coverage, and those tankers are worth like a hundred million or more, they won't risk them in a war zone without insurance.

One would think between mines, and missiles they could have dug in and pull out and shoot off then disappear, that they could shut down the straits, and that maybe last time they were holding back to wait it out and not escalating. Which was a mistake as it guarenteed Israel would want to get some more cost free hits in.

But close to the election the hyper inflation could hurt, now they've plenty of time to calm it down, assuming they can keep Israel on a leash enough to keep the gulf ships going through after.

I wouldn’t want to be on that aircraft carrier when the missiles sink it.

Jesus also has a whole thing where he heals someone during the Sabbath, some guy tries to be a smartass and he claps back.

Makes me think of those stupid assholes who sell ammo with pig lard in it. As if God would be mad that you touched pig because some guy shot you with it.

Where do you base the number of half a million deaths due to US-EU sanctions on? Because I know the EU uses sanctions, but not (at least explicitly) with the intention of causing wide scale hunger.

Yea that guy reeks like a hasbara.

Edit: as short as 4 months ago

One of the most pathetic things about Reddit is that whenever an argumentative user is incapable of defending their views on their own merits, they spend a embarrassing amount of time digging through someone else's post history to try to find something attack their character with. It's just such a lazy and desperate thing to do because it demonstrates a shallow confidence in their own beliefs, and it also shows that they value "winning" an argument through fallacious means rather than having discussion where opinions are exchanged. I see you're doing your best keeping that chronically online spirit alive here on Lemmy as well.

to the Israeli genocide of Palestinians as “the Israel-Palestine conflict”. They have posts complaining about leftism on Lemmy, praising the Cybertrucks and Teslas, and edgelording AI.

So let me get this straight, you spent god knows how long going back months into my account history, and the best you could do was intentionally misrepresent my 3 of my positions and then complain about a single word that I used 4 months ago? Damn, that's pathetic.

Also, their posting and commenting hours suggest timezones in the continent of America, contrary to their claim of being Iraqi.

If you kept digging a little longer or maybe tried reading a little deeper, you would've find out that I'm an Iraqi who's family lived during Saddam Hussein, the US invasion, and then we migrated to Syria after an Iranian terrorist militia attacked our neighbor's at the dead of night. We stayed in Syria for a few years but things started going downhill there too, so we decided to immigrate to the West, and the US was the first country to accept our applications. This is not the gotcha you think it is.

The main problem in Iran and the reason why protests broke out last months is simply US + EU sanctions

I'm not going to waste too much time here because you're someone who engages in bad faith, but I just want to point out that this narrative is false. Iranians are not protesting just because of the sanctions, they're protesting government tyranny, corruption, and incompetence. If it really was just the sanction, then explain the 2022 Mahsa Amini protests where the country went into uproar for 2 years after the regime killed a teenage girl for not following their religious dress code or explain their water crises where they're threatening to evacuate their capital due to regime's mismanagement or the 2017 hijab law protests. The sanctions don't magically make the regime more authoritarian and incomptent, they just expose the problems that were already there faster.

However bad their regime, US+EU sanctions murder HALF A MILLION PEOPLE YEARLY in the world, the death burden of these sanctions is astronomically higher than anything you can ascribe to the Iranian government.

You're going to need to source this. I know for a fact that you either made this up or you're intentionally misinterpreting some paper that says something very different. If you can't link the exact source you're referring to and then show specifically which part said this, I'm going to safely assume that this claim has no substance.

Also, I find it really annoying, how you're going out of your way to bootlick a regime that is this evil with some low level fallacy like whataboutism. "However bad their regime" my ass, It's not a competition. Other countries doing other bad things does NOT justify, excuse, or negate the evil things that the Iranian regime has done or is doing. The only reason you would even do something like this is because YOU support the regime. At this point you're not just criticizing the West, you're actively defending the regime. You're directly opposing Iranians who are fighting for their freedom and rights, and you're doing everything in your power to stand with their oppressors.

The Iranian government is literally the fault of the Anglos.

Everybody acknowledges that the coups of the Democratic government were bad, but guess what? It's not the 1950s anymore. We live in a completely different reality now, and those events do not justify or excuse the islamic regime's atrocities against their neighbors or their own people. Like what is even the though process here? "There was a coup 70 years ago that's bad therefore we should support and let this evil regime slaughter and oppress millions of people", it's an asinine position.

what followed was orders of magnitude worse

The US invasion destabilized the country, but the thing that made it worse was this very same Iranian regime. Their terrorist proxy militias are directly responsible for corrupting the new government, keeping the country unstable through violence and fear, causing violence by stoking sectarian tensions, and turbo charging minority oppression that led to the rise of ISIS. Like what the hell are we even talking about here? How the hell is ignorant Westerner going to try and lecture me about my own country?

An example is Hakim on YouTube.

So you're example is a Marxist youtube grifter who carters to a Western audience? If that's your source of information on the country then no wonder why you're out of touch. You need to look things made by Iraqis for Iraqis. Go look up Ahemd Al Basheer. He's an Iraqi personality who's followed by millions of Iraqis and he's commonly called the voice of the Iraqi people. He does a very successful late night styled TV show on youtube and DW called Al Basheer Show. Most of his videos are in Arabic, but he did do a youtube series in English awhile back for an international audience awhile ago, you should go watch that. That should be way more informative than someone like Hakim lmao

There's also the water issue, and that definitely wasn't because of sanctions; and even if the reason for riots might be due to external factors, it does matter to a population how the leadership responds to it, and the response has been horrible.

It's by design though. US policy has destroyed the Iranian middle class (you know, the exact people who would otherwise do the regime-changing). The whole point is to cause desperation and despair which they can take advantage of. It's the same method that was used against castles and city-states in the middle ages.

He is 100%. The difference is that Trump rules the US, not Iran. For Iranians, anything that can realistically help them get rid of their oppressors is a glimmer of hope that cling on to even if the odds aren't that great.

I have some family in Iran, and they tell me that the regime is so universally hated that it has no legitimacy left. They can only rule through fear and violence, and people desperately want something that can give them the extra push to overthrow the regime.

In 1979 Iranians revolted against the Shah. Toronto filled up with Iranians in the 80s who ran and grabbed billions of dollars from the country. Ask any of them where they got their money and you got shady answers. The Canadian government let anyone in with money. There are so many of these people they call the city Tehranto.

These people want the return of the Shah and a corrupt crony class to steal the wealth of the country, taking trillions in oil wealth to leave most of the country in poverty.

Iran will get bombed, thousands will die, US will install a puppet Fascist and the cycle will reset. There were good reasons why the people put Ayatollahs in power.

Both can be true but what's the point of your comment?

The Trump administration is evil, but it's still night and day compared to the Iranian regime. The Mullahs make MAGA look tame in comparison.

Calling out USA on its atrocities and its bad rep with foreign interference throughout history is USdefaultism now?

WTF are you smoking?

You're more bot-like than the OP. Just calling names making things up to manufacture consent in a made up reality in a bot farm.

Americans and their main character syndrome drives me up the wall sometimes. Even well meaning ones can’t not interpret the world from the perspective of US doing a thing, and everything else being the consequence of that.

Lemmy users need to stop being racist like this. Americans are not stupid, these people have agency. They know what a war with the Iran means.

You're not talking about reality, you're talking about your perception and your perception is built on a negative stereotype meme.

Yeah I’m just backing up your point now that some time has passed. This does indeed appear not to have amounted to anything yet.

Yes it’s a distinction without a difference. You might even say not worth mentioning.

They said they are “in a war” with those countries, but it sounded like more of a description of fact than a proclamation.

As an Iranian, I agree. Oh, poor baby needs to pay for college, so my dad needs to die? Disgusting ghouls.

Frankly, yea you're right. Our military is absolutely brutally evil. And the reason they were there was to make the rich richer. Frankly when Americans sign up for the military, they should choose a branch and an oil company to serve as well.

I can't really convince you of anything else, other than know that most everyone I talk to knows we have more in common with you halfway around the world than either of us do with the people who send the military to kill. We don't hate you, and I'm so sorry what they did to you.

On this side of the world, keeping our class divided will only perpetuate this cycle. War is as profitable an industry as healthcare, so why expect peace or cures if the people in charge are only in it for their own gain?

I'm so sorry for what this horrible country did. No one deserves that fate. But one day hatchets between comrades need to be buried and replaced with guillotines for kings.

But it is Iranians in North America urging Trump to invade.

350,000 chanting "King Reza Pahlavi", they want to restore the monarchy and bring back the elite class.

Iran is a horrifying dictatorship that deserves nothing less to be taken out with force. The only travesty is that American, on our own path of dictatorship and horrifying capitalism is the one who might do it.

The same viral tweet

Just AAFES shit

Print this one out and put it in your wallet. You can use it as a reference at most gas stations since they all have hotdogs now.

Saudi terrorists

It was a different sort of atmosphere. Americans, especially the American right-wing, were consuming a media diet that was 100% fear and paranoia.

Republicans and Republican voters knew that Iraq was all based on lies, and they didn't care. And since they had enough votes in Congress, they pushed forward.

I know this is an aside, but the only discussion about Ring Around the Rosie being about the bubonic plague is from the 20th century. It's a song about kids dancing around a bush, and that's it.