In 2016 the world got to know Donald Trump. In 2024 the world got to know the American people.

Flawed? It's schizophrenic and a sign that there is no hope to be found in the US people.

the checks and balances are working pretty well but there's obviously not enough wrt the president

the DOJ, CDC and other departments going back to normal will do an enormous amount for the country

that and a nuremburg trials for trump and all of the others. laws will have to be changed and be applied retroactively

To add: Remember when grocery prices went back down?

Americans elected a psycho, a literal psycho.

RE-elected*

they elected him twice! It's not like they didn't know what was coming, they were okay with it

Cluster B personality disorder. Malignant narcissist.

The kind of parent kids go no contact with, former spouses have to take restraining orders out on, and not by any definition trustworthy or healthy.

Defined by living in a false reality, gaslighting deniers of that reality, love bombing people who play to them, and incapable of accepting accountability for any act.

All of this clearly visible to anyone with eyes and firing neurons.

And yet.

I don't understand how it isn't more obvious to everyone that the American people at large literally did not elect him, the election was stolen, Trump and Elon Musk both were on national television bragging about how they've done so, multiple times.

Do not ever trust the US government for anything, ever - you're completely correct there - but please don't get the impression that the majority of citizens are over here cheering and rubbing their hands together in sick, evil glee. We are hostages of the owner class. What is happening, happens without our consent or approval, and those who express their disapproval are shot dead.

There is a small percentage of very uneducated and unwell people who do support the actions of the American regime and they're being hugely signal boosted by said regime as a way of whitewashing what is going on. If they can get one person to express approval and then put that sound bite onto Fox News, then suddenly you can have a thousand people express approval. Once you have a thousand people on board the misinformation is now self supporting, it'll spread on its own.

A small subset of Americans are cartoonishly evil, and surprise, it's primarily the robber barons just like the last time. A larger subset of Americans are criminally underinformed about their situation, either through their own lack of interest or through targeted efforts to destroy their ability to learn the truth (defunding of educational programs, defunding NPR, burning books, etc). The largest subset of Americans are just scared. Everything that has defined the backbone of domestic life in the USA in our lifetimes has been destroyed and it is not coming back. People who speak up about this publicly are disappeared or executed. Some of them, you hear about on the news after. Most, you won't.

I have such an unbelievable amount of respect for citizens in other countries who are willing and able to stand up for their rights. I always thought the US would be capable of the same. And in some ways, we are. In most of the ways that matter, though, we're scared little children, whose fear and ignorance is being amplified and preyed on by those who would take advantage of it, and the average person is either blind to it or afraid of the consequences of standing up to it alone.

Please, hate what we've done, hate who leads us, but don't make the mistake of thinking that regular citizens are approving of this.

And yet you use Brave browser. Curious.

Was going to write almost the same 👍.

Even if after Trump a good president is elected, they'll have to use their whole time to extinguish the flames. And then what, after four years? Will the American people elect the next Trump-style president who has an easier time bringing it all down than it takes to lift it up? It'll take at least a decade to fix this mess. And I'm not positive that many Americans see it as the mess it is.

I'll be truthful, if it was 2013 and I was in my current age, going to the US would've been a no-brainer as someone in tech. Early last year I chose Zürich instead.

Yeah, Americans need to pass a whole lot of constitutional amendments to prevent a future president from doing things like this.

This whole thing has shown that the "system of checks and balances" that they're so proud of is just a sham. If the US actually managed to push through constitutional changes, that might be a first step in rebuilding trust. Until then, everyone has to assume that it's just a matter of time before there's another Trump-like president. Historically, passing constitutional changes has been extremely difficult, so it's no given that that can even happen in a reasonable time frame.

The US will bomb another several countries for no reason

Yes, but the bombs will be manufactured by a diverse team of forward-thinkers and dropped by the first-ever gay genocidaire.

Actually, if Vance 25th amendments his ass after January 20, 2027, he'll get Trump's last 2 years, and he'll still be eligible for two full terms.

Oh come on, that is so ridiculous and mean.

• America will bomb the usual, all of the, countries, but it will not be done under a madman. A very beautiful and good, specifically pro semitic, reason that doesn't change every day will be provided.

• Israel will have the usual pure admiration and respect for the great American democracy, and as itself is the only democracy in the middle east, America's best friend will continue to bring genocide to the region without Epstein/Mossad kompromat on the US President. Subservience to Israel will seem completely normal again!

• Undoing some of Trump's most direct destructions of America, will lead oligarchy to fund complaints for not obtaining maximal supremacism and other Zionist goals, and so sure, election 4 years after will be rigged against DNC rulership, but on the bright side, DNC poltical donations will reach a new record anyway. Make DNC rich again.

So, unlike what you said, America will be saved. A new, never before seen, Zionist warmongering, temporary DNC regime that reaches across the aisle for ZIonist harmony in its warmongering will be greated throughout the world with flowers for their liberation bombing.

Constitutional reform at minimum is required, preferably a sweeping change to how their voting and districting works.

And make voting day a fucking holiday ffs.

Yeah Trump this the symptom, not our sickness

Ya you’d have to be pretty dumb or gullible to think the USA will have a competent government again.

There is a third problem. It assumes talented people are will return to jobs where they can be fired at the whim of a presidents.

1. that all of our former allies will be on board for a smooth resumption of prior status quo.

You're wrong, though. Executive orders can be undone, but it's what happened after the order was issued that cannot. People quit. People died. People got tortured. Institutions collapsed. You can't undo that by reversing the order.

Roughly 1/3 of America voted against what we have now. That means 2/3 are still wanting (or at least complicit) with what we have now as well.

i would even go further... if you are not one of the biggest 10 countries you NEED nuclear weapons now

And the whole bus clapped.

I still call it the Gulf of Mexico.

I call it the golf of idiots

The conservatives of this country don't realize how fucking cooked it is. No one will ever believe us or trust us again, period. If they do it'll be after decades of groveling and begging to get them to accept us as a legitimate country you can rely on.

Don't overestimate European leaders. They will jump back to depending on US for defense at the first sign of any stabilization in US. There's still barely any real resistance. They are doing the absolute minimum necessary to preserve sovereignty but not much more. Germany sided with US over its EU allies just couple weeks ago.

As a other European,

Being crass, our "leaders" aren't super-overtly sucking off Trump because right now it's not good PR. Von der Leyen is barely wiping the orange off her face as it is. Just wait until this simmers down just a little bit and they'll be deepthroating him again.

Gotta stop with the 40% nonsense. It's misleading. Americans are BAD AT VOTING. 40% of voters in 2024 support Trump. Not 40% of Americans. If I take wikipedias lower end estimate of 342mil people, and divide Trumps number of votes by that, I get 22.6%.

Still super shitty, but not 40.

well.. the ice facilities will no longer be used...

Every single country on the planet has the same shitty people that vote shitty. There are lots of really stupid people. At the end of the day, people can be seriously disappointing. This is the same all over the planet. American voters aren't any worse than the voters of any other country. So then, if 40% of the voters in any country would be willing to put someone like Trump into power over a more sane candidate, what does that mean?

Well, first off, it means no place is truly safe from the most batshit crazy people getting into power. Italy has Giorgia Meloni, France almost had Marine Le Pen, the AfD is getting a lot of support in Germany, etc.

But it also means that the system itself has problems. That's what ultimately allowed Trump to get into power. We have a government by the billionaires, for the billionaires. The wealth of billionaires in itself has grown out of control. It is impossible to successfully run for a major office without being insanely wealthy. Bribery is a central part of US politics. Corporations can make unlimited donations to political candidates. All of the safeguards against crazy have been dismantled. Party leadership silences anyone that tries to make a positive change. The media is filled with propaganda. AI has figured out how to manipulate people on a personal level. The list keeps going on. People will vote for the worst candidates all over the world. But in the US, at this point, the system is broken in a way that has enabled the worst candidate to not only be moderately bad, but some of the worst people on the planet.

Edit: I shouldn't say 40% of the country - when the system fails to the extent it has in the US, it makes it difficult for people to vote. The number of Trump supporters is nowhere near 40% of the country. But there's enough people anywhere for it to happen under the right circumstances.

That's assuming it ever happens, which is far from certain.

You are a bit doomer there and honestly, I dunno man. I think it's maybe worse than that.

If you have the reigns of social media and the news, you could do it in six months or less.

So... What will happen?

Easy to poo poo so what's the true true?

You just showed the world that laws don't matter.

Laws have been shown not to matter a long time ago. Trump just brought that not-matterness to the first world.

I don't even believe most of this will happen. Whatever secret underground facility is being built under the WH will be used. Loyalists will cover for loyalists. The SC will remain compromised for ages.

Shit Libs: We will unite Americans and ensure all Americans are united for a United America again!

Arguably that’s what a lot of MAGAts were going for. Look what we ended up with

UBI is better than democracy. It solves the poverty/care problem we look to the state for. A bias against corrupt spending since an alternative is more cash as dividend.

Democrats. We take two steps forward after Conservatives take 3 steps back.

My point exactly, see post title.

Absolutely.

It is symbolic of Trump's disregard for law. The name of the center is in a law, and changing it without passing a law is illegal.

No, it isn't important, but following laws is, at least laws that are not unjust.

Dem leadership: We can give you a return to the conditions that paved the way for Trump to be taken seriously as a politician in the first place, final offer.

This is team usa, isn't it: https://lemmy.world/post/44615407

The scary thing is that americans got grifted by a fat unlikable dubass that can hardly read. Imagine what someone can do that is just a little bit charismatic.

To be fair, Vance isn't fat.

Because the Democrats were involved with all of the camps they're building as well. They seem to be planning for something and the Democrats don't seem to be against it.

America is probably setting itself up for a civil uprising, after AI decimates the country..

It's all super weird govt behaviour.

Why Jan?

I can see that happening now, i can even imagine that one of the objectives of this US-Israel war is to keep the middle east from seeking BRICS allies and not re-considering the petrodollar

Yes. Here is to a future growing soybeans for China in the US to get those renmimbi!