YSK All PieFed instances block links to "right-wing" sources by default

a month ago by Allero to c/youshouldknow

According to Rimu, the main developer of PieFed, all PieFed instances come with a 3000-long block list of resources that cannot be linked to. These include all sorts of right-wing outlets. There is no easy opt-out, forcing existing instances to follow the blocklist.

The flagship PieFed instance also rolled out a feature marking various other sorts of outlets - among them, resources considered AI slop and Marxist outlets. These are specific to piefed.social.

Related discussion: https://piefed.social/comment/11254679

Why YSK: Many users have hard time choosing between Lemmy, PieFed, and Kbin/Mbin. Users that prefer a more curated and politically uniform experience might prefer PieFed over the alternatives. Users that are right-wing, Marxist, or generally concerned about global censorship of the Fedi-/Threadiverse, might opt for other options instead.

Note: The post is only meant to inform users of the potentially important differences between Threadiverse platforms. Any ideologically charged discussions are better left in the respective topic.

queerlilhayseed 98 points a month ago

the list for the curious. I don't mind if rimu wants to maintain a default blocklist, if I maintained my own fediverse app I would probably make something similar, based on my own preferences, to cut down on the mod work. If you want your piefed instance to allow botfarm produce, disable the blocklist or just fork it and live your dream.

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TheMinions 62 points a month ago

I scrolled the list until about the P, at which point I accidentally tapped on the top portion of my screen and went all the way back up.

Notably the block list includes Harry Potter affiliated sites, Fox News, and Info Wars.

Everything else pretty much just looks like slop or are sources I’ve NEVER heard of. Some were local papers, I think? But none that I would have recognized immediately.

This really seems like a mountain made out of a molehill.

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queerlilhayseed 49 points a month ago

There are tons of spam factories that pose as local newspapers. The first one that comes to mind is the Denver Guardian, which gained brief notoriety during Trump's rise to power. But there are a million of them, probably literally. They are easy to make and they are easy to launder through social media bot networks.

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TheMinions 20 points a month ago

Yeah, I saw some sources for a city local to me, but they didn’t match for our actual local paper or papers.

Which was weird.

That explains a lot.

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adarza 3 points a month ago

most of those fake local 'news' farms are spouting far-right or extremist views.

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Skullgrid 18 points a month ago

This really seems like a mountain made out of a molehill.

unless you are interested in spreading the same kind of ideas that are on those sites, like IDK, CCP propaganda, or far right deals, or transphobia.

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BlameTheAntifa 8 points a month ago

Why block InfoWars? Tim Heidecker is a treasure.

/s

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Telodzrum 6 points a month ago

Pravada’s domains were on there which is one I was looking for. I didn’t see South China Morning Post on the list, which is unfortunate; otherwise though, I think it’s a solid list.

It will be an absolute nightmare keeping it up, given how quickly bad-faith actors are setting up fake local and regional news outlets.

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Cethin -1 points a month ago

It's a molehill that's threatening to become a mountain. I wouldn't trust I always agree with this person.

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ryper 13 points a month ago

For those who really like the idea of blocking the sites on that list, the linked github repo also has it formatted for pihole and the like.

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RobotToaster 10 points a month ago

The fact that it includes wikileaks tells me everything I need to know.

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Telodzrum 17 points a month ago

That it recognizes Russian state media as Conservative disinformation and propaganda? Yeah, me too.

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edible_funk 13 points a month ago

Remember when they didn't release the rnc emails they hacked, but did release the dnc's? Tell me why that is you think. Be honest with yourself.

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eugenevdebs 7 points a month ago

No I don't, would you mind linking a citation on this claim?

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mathemachristian 6 points a month ago

Any source on this?

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Objection 5 points a month ago

When did the definition of misinformation expand to include saying true things? Should we block the Epstein files from being posted because only part of them has been released?

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richardwonka 2 points a month ago

It enters the realm of mis-, even disinformation when true statements that contradict a narrative are actively repressed.

Selective truth can easily be a lie.

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Serinus 1 point a month ago

I notice you didn't answer the question.

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BurgerBaron 3 points a month ago

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sem 2 points a month ago

Who is rimu

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queerlilhayseed 2 points a month ago

He's the maintainer for piefed.

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sem 0 points a month ago

Why does he post on powertrippingbastards or is that a different rimu

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queerlilhayseed 3 points a month ago

Dunno. I think it's the same guy.

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bizzle 73 points a month ago

The right wing has ass fucked the entire world into the ground, I say good riddance.

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tigeruppercut 8 points a month ago

Yeah but, know your enemy and all that

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A_Random_Idiot 46 points a month ago

We know the enemy.

We know every unoriginal comment, trick, and bullshit they do, because they have repeated them over and over again for decades.

We don't have to keep giving them the false legitimacy of equal time or attention.

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tigeruppercut -10 points a month ago

We don’t have to keep giving them the false legitimacy of equal time or attention.

If I want to point something out that a shithole site is promoting, I don't need admin to put up a baby gate so I can't talk about it. I don't know how that relates to legitimizing anything.

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YoureHotCupCake 3 points a month ago

You can literally just say :shitholesite said "very evil shit". No need to feed clicks to their website.

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username123 -7 points a month ago

Sounds like what a right-wing dipshit would say.

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chunes 47 points a month ago

It was only about 15 years ago that censorship was an extreme taboo on the internet. I miss those times deeply.

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Skullgrid 45 points a month ago

I miss when fascists stayed on stormfront and left everyone else the fuck alone; and if they ventured outside, everyone hated them until they left.

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Photonic 7 points a month ago

We made the internet too easy to use…

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Skullgrid 2 points a month ago

I mean, we could fuck off to tor and see what boards they have there. I don't want to be used as an exit node for random highly illegal bullshit

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davel 10 points a month ago

ACTUALLY IT’S ABOUT ETHICS IN GAMING JOURNALISM

Yeah… I don’t miss it the slightest. It was so bad that Breadtube came to be in reaction to it.

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Pipster 6 points a month ago

It isn't censorship though? Just as much as people have the right to speak, others have the right to not have to listen. The beauty of the fediverse is that literally everyone has the right to say what they want, you can join a new instance or make your own but if you start saying stuff that people don't want to listen to then they can't be forced to listen.

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Cethin 4 points a month ago

This isn't an instance with a block list though. He's putting it in the software the instance runs, without an opt-out option (besides forking).

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Pipster 4 points a month ago

So what? Its open source software and subject to what the developer wants. Don't like it then fork it, remove the offending blocks and run your own, literally exactly the same freedoms offered. There is absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting to platform people.

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Cethin 3 points a month ago

There isn't a problem, until it's blocking what you want. I don't trust all people. If all the users are informed, then fine. This isn't that. This is trying to by tricky about it. It's an attempt to control information that he doesn't like (including leftist information) without clearly saying what's happening. That's not OK. It's fine if you consent. It's shady trying to sneak it through.

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sexy_peach 0 points a month ago

censorship is when the state does it. Not when individual people decide to program their own open source project in a specific way.

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cypherpunks 47 points a month ago

https://github.com/... includes... wikileaks.org 🤦

afaik WikiLeaks still enjoys a spotless accuracy record and obviously has never promoted QAnon.

The fact that some QAnon promoters have themselves cited some WikiLeaks publications is, in my opinion at least, not a reason to prohibit linking to WikiLeaks (a site which hasn't published anything new recently but continues to host a massive archive of public interest documents).

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davel 8 points a month ago

I expected to see thegrayzone.com and was not disappointed.

They scored yet another vindication this week, this time on the OPCW cover-up of the 2018 Douma, Syria false-flag attack.

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vagrancyand 3 points a month ago

Assange cozyed up to Trump during his first presidency (despite, you know, the assassination attempts by the US).

Additionally while Wikileaks has never published any proven false information, they have left out information on purpose. During the 2016 election Wikileaks received information on both Clinton and Trump, but primarily published information making Clinton look worse while not publishing information they received on Trump and the republican party.

This editorializing is why they've fallen out of favor over the last decade, again despite not publishing anything known to be false; they chose to withhold information.

This was liberal misinformation, I apologize.

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cypherpunks 15 points a month ago

they chose to withhold information

citation needed

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vagrancyand 23 points a month ago

Sorry the liberal replying made me actually look this up and it turns out it was misinformation spread from liberal accounts. You're right. Apparently no evidence was ever uncovered that wikileaks ever received the RNC leak that came out a few years after they released the DNC leak; and the majority of Assange's quotes praising Trump were just wholesale made up by various shareblue linked propaganda sites.

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whatiswrongwithyou 14 points a month ago

Good job. You should be proud of yourself for making this post.

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Skullgrid -9 points a month ago

butterymales VS lack of trump disclosures.

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cypherpunks 10 points a month ago

is there any evidence whatsoever, or is this belief that they simply must have received and suppressed some trump-related smoking gun just blueanon dogma?

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Eyekaytee 38 points a month ago

If this is the most mainstream of websites being blocked I think I'm ok, piefed is still great software even with these sites included in a linking block

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tburkhol 16 points a month ago

Wonder if they'll unblock Infowars, now that it's The Onion.

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Skullgrid -9 points a month ago

because software requires maintenance, maintenance requires time, and the onion only got their hands on infowars very recently.

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YiddishMcSquidish -1 points a month ago

Why is info wars still there? Wasn't it taken over by tim.

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ulkesh 33 points a month ago

Given that many "right-wing" sites are full of lies, bigotry, and hate, I think I'm quite fine with this.

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dragon_gm 26 points a month ago

According to Rimu Atkinson, the main developer of PieFed, all PieFed instances come with a 3000-long block list of resources that cannot be linked to. These include all sorts of right-wing outlets. There is no easy opt-out, forcing existing instances to follow the blocklist.

I support blocking hiding/flagging propaganda and fascism, this case is just censorship imo. This could be a good feature, IF the ultimate choice is on the instances and its users on if they want to have it enabled or not by default, not from the developer and "on all instances with no easy opt-out"

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1rre 3 points a month ago

I don't even support blocking propaganda and fascism. Maybe you could block malware sites, but even that's a push. Let moderators of individual communities figure it out, otherwise you're just going to turn whole instances into echo chambers.

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dragon_gm 0 points a month ago

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teyrnon 1 point a month ago

Piefed dev's I talked to said they can decide to allow or disallow instances at least even as many come preblocked.

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davel 25 points a month ago

No, very probably not all PieFed instances, and AFAIK the socialist sites are not in that list of defaults.

If you’re going to make public accusations, please don’t sabotage yourself by making incorrect or imprecise claims.

Users that prefer a more curated and politically uniform experience might prefer PieFed over the alternatives.

There’s no reason to think that. I’d argue that Lemmygrad is more curated and politically uniform than any PieFed instance is.

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hamid 9 points a month ago

Politically uniform means right-wing and liberal to USAmericans

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SchwertImStein 5 points a month ago

this sentence makes no sense in this context

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Lojcs 24 points a month ago

I'm starting to think these are deliberate attempts to start a fediverse flame war.

Piefed has an easily lifted block on right wing propoganda, boohoo. Oh no, piefed called a Marxist-Lenninist website Marxist-Lenninist, how can I turn this into drama somehow

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GuyIncognito 10 points a month ago

John Lennin

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vagrancyand 5 points a month ago

'easily lifted' isn't really easily lifted, and a platform technology shouldn't be the one implementing blocks. Individual hosts using that technology should be the one to implement blocks.

PieFed is already derivative technology at best, made by a bunch of redditors that didn't like being called right wing for supporting and endorsing genocide. Let's not try to pretend it's okay they want their echo chamber enforced at the platform level like reddit and twitter and facebook already do. The entire fucking internet already caters to you people.

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Lojcs 6 points a month ago

How is emptying a database table not easy? If you're hosting your own public forum that should be child's play.

... supporting and endorsing genocide. ... The entire fucking internet already caters to you people.

This is what I'm upset about. Why does every minor fediverse problem have to devolve into "us vs them (and 'they're definitely nazis btw)"? Piefed doesn't control the entire fediverse platform. If you want propoganda in your feed you can join an instance that allows it. And if you're going to accuse people of supporting genocide bring some fucking proof.

Not everyone on the fediverse is a free speech absolutist and that's fine. Having blocklists doesn't make an instance equal to the corporate hellscape of facebook and reddit. Be upset about things that matter please

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vagrancyand 0 points a month ago

Type rimiru into any search engine that crawls lemmy. Any of them. They weren't always a piefed user, and even their recent posts from their piefed.social account trying to rag on /0 users have plenty of evidence posted in response of their support of nazis.

And yes, I am upset that the nazi version of lemmy written by a nazi because for some reason Jewish nazis get a fucking pass in liberal spaces despite having the longest running holocaust in world history so far decides to try to be the arbiter of truth in their little nazi Activitypub technology.

That is a valid reason to be upset. It normalizes whatever they deem as offensive as being blocked by users of PieFed technology, because who the fuck is going to go through several thousand entries to actually audit their work? No one.

So the technology is all or nothing. What looks good to an instance host choosing PieFed over lemmy or m/kbin? All. Because they're not going to spend the days it would take for an independent audit of what this particular nazi thinks is unacceptable, and because 'nothing, build it yourself,' would also take days.

So yes, I will compare the little nazi tech you've chosen to be participant to to the nazi tech used by facebook (marks and sells data on palestinians to israel) and reddit (u/spez, also the term zionazi gets you site-wide permabanned). If you dislike that, choose better.

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Lojcs 9 points a month ago

I've been searching for 30 minutes and couldn't find what you're talking about. Can the burden of proof lie with the accuser please?

Edit: I'm not disputing that what you say is true, but like i can't find it

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Caveman 22 points a month ago

goddamnit goddamnit goddamnit

Why does every fediverse reddit clone have to pull this shit? Like that blocklist isn't horrible - now - but what if the dude pulls a fetterman and next year he is blocking shit you agree with? Politically motivated censorship is the type of thing many people are trying to get away from.

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Dave 47 points a month ago

This is why open source is so important. If the dev goes crazy and blocks all sorts of stuff the community can fork the code and remove the block list, while still remaining interoperable with Lemmy, other Piefeds, Mbin.

That's way different to say Facebook where they fight to the death to stop you using an app that isn't their official one.

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Caveman 9 points a month ago

Thats a fair and reasonable take

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Sergio 15 points a month ago

what if the dude pulls a fetterman and next year he is blocking shit you agree with?

Then you move to another instance.

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Caveman 13 points a month ago

This says its all piefed instances

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Sergio 13 points a month ago

Any piefed instance can empty the list of right-wing sites, either as a whole or on a case-by-case basis. Source: https://piefed.social/comment/11254679

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Caveman 12 points a month ago

Thats good to know - but the fact the thread you link to shows some sites get a big WARNING COMMUNISM DETECTED doesn't make me feel much better XD

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Eldritch 1 point a month ago

I would much rather it be something people have to opt into. But as long as it's something they can opt out of it isn't the most egregious thing.

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jatone 9 points a month ago

blocking trash sites on your own instance, and providing default settings is perfectly reasonable.

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Caveman 6 points a month ago

If you can't opt out as an instance its a bit more than "default settings" imo

And my whole issue is not wanting too wide a net being labeled under "trash sites" I hate Fox News and Infowars but I also hate them being hidden from me with no way to get around that besides switching from piefed to a different service. Who is to say what the next trash site will be? Spam is one thing but I don't need a net nanny.

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jatone 7 points a month ago

who can't opt out? just use a different instance if you dont like an instances setting. no one owes you anything. or run your own and just change the setting.

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p4rzivalrp2 3 points a month ago

"Changing the setting" would involve forking the codebase, as it's hardcoded iirc

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Caveman 1 point a month ago

The original post we are commenting on stated instances could not opt out. Or at least I thought it did, I don't know how to check edit history. I'm now aware thats untrue.

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Buelldozer 5 points a month ago

Why does every fediverse reddit clone have to pull this shit?

People want to live in Echo Chambers.

Politically motivated censorship is the type of thing many people are trying to get away from.

Nah, most of 'em just want to be the ones doing the censoring.

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K1nsey6 -1 points a month ago

Sounds like the liberals they are trying to appease

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prole 3 points a month ago

but what if the dude pulls a fetterman and next year he is blocking shit you agree with?

Then go to a different site...? What's the actual problem here?

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Caveman 6 points a month ago

Switching sites is annoying? I'm sure you are aware of that though...

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Bongles 4 points a month ago

Only mildly. At least on Lemmy, I haven't used piefed. The import/export went really well when lemm.ee shut down. And luckily there was an instance with a similar stance (lemmy.zip) to letting you decide what you want blocked.

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silentjohn 2 points a month ago

piefed already blocks by default lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad. lol ... it's just a lib echo chamber. I stand corrected.

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ProdigalFrog 10 points a month ago

Piefed.social is federated with Lemmy.ml, AFAIK.

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davel 6 points a month ago

Neither PieFed the platform nor piefed.social the instance block lemmy.ml:
https://codeberg.org/...

By default, Piefed the platform blocks over two dozen far-right/fascist instances and two leftist instances: hexbear and lemmygrad. It's a hard-coded Overton window.

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edible_funk -2 points a month ago

Blocking known disinfo sources is not politically motivated censorship, it's reality motivated censorship.

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SorteKanin 22 points a month ago

Personally think it's just really not the software's job to handle this or have an opinion on this - it's rather up to the instance admins to decide.

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AvocadoCumToast 7 points a month ago

Meanwhile on every other platform, billion dollar algorithms dictate what videos millions of people can watch, for the benefit of the billionaires.

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CmdrShepard49 6 points a month ago

But the instance admins do decide this when they decide to use PieFed

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Swedneck 1 point a month ago

blocklist.enabled = True

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SorteKanin 1 point a month ago

Having a blocklist option is of course perfectly fine. Pre-filling and pre-enabling that list is not the software's job, if you ask me.

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Swedneck 1 point a month ago

that feels rather "i don't like politics"-y to me, i see no problem with shipping a default blocklist so long as it's opt-in.

free, open source software developed by humans with emotions and opinions is allowed to do things the developers think can help the world be better, so long as it doesn't cross the line into actively malicious: e.g. hardcoding blocklists and trying to hide that it exists.

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SorteKanin 1 point a month ago

Of course they're allowed - just saying I personally do not like it.

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phoenixz 21 points a month ago

At this point, the difference between right wing and left wing polititics is simply that right wing politics is all about a single strong fascist billionaire leader who makes sure only his buddies get richer, and left wing politics is that we all have a nice life.

Many people actually prefer nthe former because only the former supports selfishness, and discrimination on race, sexuality, and whatnot, while the latter doesn't.

That literally nis the difference between the two. If you are rightwing, I will presume you're racist, sexist, and selfish.

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ddplf 6 points a month ago

This is should be considered an utterly absurd sentiment; and for the sake of fairness and good will no leftist should ever condone having this sort of perspective.

Which is why it hurts me so fucking bad to agree. Modern rightwing is utterly broken and evil. It feeds off of primitive instincts, unsuppressed intrusive thoughts, greed and prejudice.

"We may disagree with eachother, but at the end of they day, what we all really want is what's best for our country".

What the fuck happened that this adage has been completely nullified globally

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godsammitdam 4 points a month ago

I might recommend a game called 1000xResist

Sometimes, the whale is too big to fit in the backpack. You can't take everything with you. Keep this in mind when you reach the ending.

While we want everyone to have decent lives we have to reckon with the fact that there are people, even if they are provided everything that they need to have a decent and happy life, they will still choose to harm others around them to get ahead.

We call them billionaires.

And I believe that when faced with complex problems and fears, studies have shown around 30% of people will flock to authoritarianism. They crave not having to face ambiguity and a simple answer to complex problems they wish to hide from. Even if those answers are lies.

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IndustryStandard 17 points a month ago

I can only imagine the person coming up with this idea

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birdwing 1 point 21 days ago

Sorry, what is mbfc?

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IndustryStandard 1 point 21 days ago

A Zionist "fact checking" website which rates news sources on how pro Israel they are.

.world pushed it for a while and did fundraisers for it.

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ActualGrapesTasteGreen 15 points a month ago

Funny, I blocked your positivity comm because I kept seeing right wing astro turfers posting in your comms as a way to call out serial down voters and do more trolling than positivity. It's no surprise we take different approaches to moderation.

I joined piefed to have a healthier experience with my social media and go figure removing a lot of right wing bullshit does wonders!

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K1nsey6 14 points a month ago

Can't disrupt the liberal echo chambers. They are trying to turn a communist creation into Reddit.

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YiddishMcSquidish -1 points a month ago

This coupled with seeing "liberal" used as pejorative every day on this site is kinda wild.

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vagrancyand 14 points a month ago

It's what happens when you step out of the west and into any country that are the victims of the west, which is around 176 countries.

Why wouldn't a site that isn't slanted towards coddling western children like liberals and neoliberals be more reflective of the actual majority opinion in the world?

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YiddishMcSquidish -14 points a month ago

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vagrancyand 12 points a month ago

Bold claim from someone denying US participation in genocide. Misinformation is kinda your forte isn't it?

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Sharkticon 8 points a month ago

I absolutely am using it as a pejorative.

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YiddishMcSquidish -6 points a month ago

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Sharkticon 7 points a month ago

A liberal calling me a bad person is like Ronald Reagan calling me a radical.

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Skullgrid -12 points a month ago

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K1nsey6 12 points a month ago

You will be the very poster child of why we say scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.

It would be your support of the oligarchy and the systems that it breeds that is defending and propping up fascism

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Skullgrid -11 points a month ago

Anyone who disagrees is a hyperzionist child eater.

you're not beating the allegations

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K1nsey6 8 points a month ago

You are struggling so hard

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Luci 12 points a month ago

I don’t need to agree with the sites to know this isn’t a good idea. The list is full of junk but it also has sites like fox news.

Should be an opt in.

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Skullgrid 16 points a month ago

The list is full of junk but it also has sites like fox news.

but then again, you repeat yourself

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dadarobot 3 points a month ago

you dont think someone posting about how fox news is reporting on something could be relevant? simply linking to an article is not always the poster agreeing with the reporting.

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Skullgrid 4 points a month ago

you dont think someone posting about how fox news is reporting on something could be relevant?

that's right. If you want to or not, you are propagating the misinformation and helping them by giving them more exposure for their stats, more data for them to sell and more money for them to gain through ads.

EDIT : What is there to learn from a misinformation link? Everyone knows its misinformation.

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Luci 2 points a month ago

Okay yeah it’s junk but this is just division

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prole 15 points a month ago

The list is full of junk but it also has sites like fox news.

🤔

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Luci 1 point a month ago

Yeah, I stand by what I said lol

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prole 2 points a month ago

That Fox News isn't junk? Have you been living under a rock for 40 years?

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Luci 1 point a month ago

I wish

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edible_funk 13 points a month ago

Fox news argued in court that they're fictional entertainment and no reasonable person would take their reporting seriously.

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Luci 3 points a month ago

I get that, but we can’t play the free speech for me, not for thee game

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ProdigalFrog 10 points a month ago

Free Speech means the government shouldn't prosecute people for their speech, that's all its ever meant. It doesn't mean non-government places must allow Nazis to say their piece on your platform. That just turns places into Nazi bars.

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vagrancyand -1 points a month ago

This isn't allowing them on a platform, this is disallowing platforms to choose whether to allow them on a platform based on the opinions of a guy that has endorsed genocide and child rape.

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xep 12 points a month ago

I tried initially and it was too opinionated for me so I switched out. Turns out it's even more opinionated than I'd expected.

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RobotToaster 12 points a month ago

People were mad at Lemmy having a hard coded blocklist before, fortunately the dev sensibly removed it. This is worse than the one Lemmy had.

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freeman 8 points a month ago

Blocklist? I though it was swearword censor.

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davel 7 points a month ago

Lemmy still has a site blocklist for URL posts, though it doesn’t come pre-populated at all, so it’s basically disabled by default. Same with the slur filter.

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Rusticus 12 points a month ago

The right is the party of white supremacy and child rape, so I’m happy not to see any material ignoring/defending/enabling that.

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mathemachristian 7 points a month ago

It's not just right-wing though, also thegrayzone.com and wikileaks.org get blocked as well as uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com

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WaxRhetorical 2 points a month ago

... In the US. We're not all from there. I'm decidedly left-wing, but censorship-by-default is a bad stance.

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Tollana1234567 1 point a month ago

also the propaganda is annoying, but they arnt that big of a prescence on lemmy though.

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lambisio 1 point a month ago

Piefed is also blocking left-aligned Fediverse instances, so it's worth to being mindful. The dev has a previous history on applying CCP-inspired shadow profiles / "social credit", as well as some underhanded editorializing of other people's posts at the view stage (if not earlier). Honestly I thought from previous interactions he had learned better, but oh well, there's always room for disappointment.

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cerebralhawks 12 points a month ago

My solution: make blocklists subscription-based. I don't mean for money, though like most of the Fediverse, donations would be accepted.

What I mean is, there'd be an independent site that maintains a list of everything that could be blocked with keywords that specify why you might want to block it. People who run instances can make a custom, dynamic block list based on keywords that they want to block.

Say we have a tag, "paedo shit." I suppose most people would want to block that.

But say we also have a tag, "Zionist." So some instance would block that. Others wouldn't.

Now say you're running some site, you go to this site and see you're flagged as Zionist. You don't think you are, so you contest it with your reasoning. This opens a thread and anyone can comment on it.

Now when you go to block all "Zionist" sources, you have an option to also include all "contested" sources as well. If you say yes, it doesn't matter what they say. You're taking the source repository at their word. If you say no, you are presented with the sources that have contested it, and you can read the threads, and add or exclude them as you like.

How is this a bad plan? (In the words of my boy Luis Guzman from The Count of Monte Cristo (2002, Kevin Reynolds))

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jatone 10 points a month ago

sounds like exactly what piefied did, they provide a default set of sites and you're free to adjust them on your instance as you feel.

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bufalo1973 0 points a month ago

Adding a check for the latests posts and the one flagged and see if any of those are blacklisted would mark the instance as not reliable. If 24 hours later the links aren't down it gets an automatic block.

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Skullgrid 11 points a month ago

Users that are right-wing, Marxist, or generally concerned about global censorship of the Fedi-/Threadiverse, might opt for other options instead.

Based. Fuck accelerationists and fuck nazis.

And you know what, censorship is a problem. But at the moment, the choking permeation of authoritarians is worse, and the authoritarians could use some of their own fucking medicine for a bit until shit calms down.

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Objection 11 points a month ago

the authoritarians could use some of their own fucking medicine for a bit

Funny how often this is the way it goes. Almost as if the label of "authoritarian" is essentially meaningless.

Other than the suppression of right-wing, counter-revolutionary views and movements (which you seem to approve of), what exactly is your problem with Marxism?

Marxists are not "accelerationists" btw.

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Skullgrid -7 points a month ago

Funny how often this is the way it goes. Almost as if the label of “authoritarian” is essentially meaningless.

Other than the suppression of right-wing, counter-revolutionary views and movements (which you seem to approve of), what exactly is your problem with Marxism?

Marxists are not “accelerationists” btw.

🥸 : Hello fellow leftists in democratic countries with increasing support for fascist aligned parties. Let's all demonize and vote against the current center left candidates who are the most likely to beat back the authoritarians! Please ignore that I am in no way attempting to engage in any grassroots empowerment of third parties and their eventual path towards replacing the not ideal center left party in your country. Also, my preferred Marxist Lenninist Communist Theorist Authoritarian Left party recieved 4 votes out of a possible trillion last election, but I have a good feeling about this election! Please ignore that my IP address is from Timbuktu, Minsk or Guangdong, and that I get paid to post here 10 hours a day by the FSB/CCP/something else. Only when the current mainstream party is gone, can we replace it with my own hyperspecfic vision of society rebuilt from the ground up on the ashes of the current society. Don't worry about feeding yourself during this horrible violent phase of our lives, it is necessary to move onto FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM.

Anyone who disagrees is a hyperzionist child eater.

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Objection 8 points a month ago

Right-wingers: I think we should spread hate speech towards minorities

Marxists: Fuck that, you shouldn't be allowed to do that, we shouldn't be tolerant of intolerance

Liberals/you: How dare you evil Marxists be intolerant and suppress free speech, you shouldn't be allowed to spread those ideas

I should be the one posting about the "Paradox of Tolerance," because you clearly don't understand it.

The rest of your comment is just unhinged conspiracy theory shit.

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Ganbat -2 points a month ago

you: How dare you evil Marxists be intolerant and suppress free speech, you shouldn't be allowed to spread those ideas

Literally where did that come from? That completely opposes the entire content of their post.

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Skullgrid -8 points a month ago

The rest of your comment is just unhinged conspiracy theory shit.

I'd comment about that's how .ml operates, but that's where you're posting from, so we all know what's up.

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vagrancyand 8 points a month ago

I'm glad you approve of the world as it is right now and hate anything that makes positive change, but leave that to your little echo chamber known as THE ENTIRE PUBLIC INTERNET, and maybe don't invade left wing spaces with it?

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Skullgrid -7 points a month ago

as soon as the authoritarians leave the left wing spaces, sure.

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vagrancyand 8 points a month ago

Define authoritarian in any way that includes what you have been brainwashed to believe is an 'authoritarian' country, but excludes any country you believe isn't authoritarian.

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Skullgrid -11 points a month ago

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WagnasT 8 points a month ago

Not a good look. I can empathize with not wanting right wing propaganda machines to profit from your work but it should at least be opt in and not curated by a single person.

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werty 7 points a month ago

Lol @ politically uniform experience

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gigachad 6 points a month ago

What always pissed me off was the general block of green texts, which I find funny. Especially because it took several months until I got to know why and how they are blocked exactly.

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BurgerBaron 3 points a month ago

On the contrary I found it fucking weird how the fediverse loves reposting 4chan screenshots.

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HubertManne 6 points a month ago

My main issue with this actually is its controlled at the instance level. I actually have said I am fine with a default block list as long as it can be changed later. Its understandable that someone having an instance would want a good default experience form their perspective and I can even see it at the code level in this case. I have a few caveats though that make it troublesome for me. One it should be highly advertised or easy to peruse and change. Bigger though is as a user I want as much as possible to be controllable at the user level. So I want to be able to reverse this for myself. I completely understand defederation for legal reasons and the ideal instance for me would deferederat based on that, but I would completely appreciate a default block list for my user that I could then go through and revers if I cared to. I was actually aware of this and do intend to get off my tuckus and move instances because I can't control the blocks but Im lazy and honestly I have no real incentive to unblock any of these but rather on philosophical grounds want the ability to do so. Im kinda hoping the software will evolve to allow a more direct user control like that before I move but its been awhile and I sorta doubt at this point that is going to happen.

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roofuskit 5 points a month ago

I need to tack on a moderator blurb to this post. I received a report from Rimu that this post doxxed them. While it does appear the original post contained Rimu's full name, I do not believe this qualifies as doxxing.

Posting someone's full name typically would be doxxing, but Rimu has completely subverted their own expectation of privacy by publicly linking their full name with their development work on Piefed. Their username is even their real first name. I do not believe you can doxx someone who already did it to themselves.

This information is publicly available, and it was made so by Rimu themselves.

Not only is this not doxxing but under these circumstances it smacks of a half hearted attempt at censorship. Rimu made themselves a public figure. You cannot post their address, or other personal information, but their name is fair game by their own choice.

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Allero 2 points a month ago

Indeed, removing his full name is more of a good faith act. I don't think much is to be achieved by leaving it anyway, so if someone is so discomforted by it that they ask for the removal - alright, I will. After all, we all need to remain good neighbors around here.

But, as you said, leaving your full name out in public and then trying to make it never see the light on the Threadiverse specifically is very inconsistent, and will likely fail at some point.

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Starduster75 5 points a month ago

I mean, as long as the info is upfront, why does it matter? They are not censoring the Internet, they are censoring their own little chunk of it. That's cool with me, anyway. I myself am not the echo chamber type, but I do sometimes prefer a more civil platform, and in human society that inevitably requires some uniformity or commonality.

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Tollana1234567 2 points a month ago

conservatives and tankie instances are rarely civil, and they have alot of mis and disinformation. i would rather not see those at all. if they do things like advocating for actual laws, electing those types politicians then that would be different, but its mostly propaganda.

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Starduster75 1 point a month ago

You may have missed the point of my comment, if you were intentionally replying to my comment.

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danekrae 5 points a month ago

I think a lot of sites associated with terrorists are blocked in lot of places...

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texture 4 points a month ago

good

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Nemo 4 points a month ago

Oh no, so when I eventually set up my own piefed instance, I'll have to spend ten more minutes then initially expected? That's awful.

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vagrancyand 3 points a month ago

You're going to go through several thousands of links in ten minutes all to... maybe have a slightly less reddit like experience?

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null -5 points a month ago

It takes you more than 10 minutes to run a db transaction?

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vagrancyand 3 points a month ago

...Do you think that is auditing a list?

Do you know what auditing is?

No, the physical action of removing things you already know from a list that may or may not include them is not the problem. No one has claimed it is.

What is the problem is going through the list, thousands of entries, and finding out if they're accurate to what has been claimed. That take going to every single site you don't necessarily recognize, which for a list of thousands will be thousands, and doing even the bare minimum of research.

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null -2 points a month ago

Why would you audit the list? Just remove it lol

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one_old_coder 4 points a month ago

Feel free to self-host and empty the blocklist. As for the far-left and far-right, they love censorship.

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Seppo 11 points a month ago

What's the far-left?

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Courantdair 3 points a month ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-left_politics

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Quokka 25 points a month ago

The modern far-left distinguishes itself from social democracy through its inherent opposition to capitalism, neoliberalism, and globalisation. While anarchist strains of far-left thought are anti-authoritarian in nature, and most far-left schools of thought aim at a classless, stateless society

Terrifying!

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Proprietary_Blend 2 points a month ago

Thankfully they're too busy being more-far-left than the other guy to actually organize

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Duke_Nukem_1990 0 points a month ago

Far-left politics are politics further to the left on the political spectrum than the standard political left. The far-left encompasses a wide range of heterogeneous ideologies, including anarchism, communism, and Marxism; it includes groups that advocate for revolutionary socialism and related communist ideologies, as well as anti-capitalism and anti-globalisation. The modern far-left distinguishes itself from social democracy through its inherent opposition to capitalism, neoliberalism, and globalisation. While anarchist strains of far-left thought are anti-authoritarian in nature, and most far-left schools of thought aim at a classless, stateless society, Leninist-led revolutions have imposed authoritarian rule in practice.

Sounds good tbh. Well, except for the authoritarian bullshit of course.

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vagrancyand 1 point a month ago

'Authoritarian' is a meaningless buzzword. There is no definition of it that includes 'authoritarian' countries while excluding non'authoritarian' countries.

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Nemo 0 points a month ago

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arin -5 points a month ago

Can't call conservatives retarded or leftist mods will delete the comment

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chortle_tortle 5 points a month ago

the horror

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Proprietary_Blend -13 points a month ago

It's an enormous cult of political loonies

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Mora 3 points a month ago

Thanks for the hint, I am gonna update my DNS to block the sites from the list as well.

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YiddishMcSquidish 2 points a month ago

are better left

O.o

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lovingisliving 2 points a month ago

We really need an alternative to Lemmy and piefed for the threadiverse. I say this as a leftist. People are not children who need child locks put on their internet. This is not the type of environment I joined the fediverse to be a part of, that censors links just because the server admin disagrees with the politics.

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ramble81 13 points a month ago

So join a different instance or deploy your own server. We don’t need a third alternative. All are interconnected via ActivityPub, so you can choose what blocks you want, who you want to federate with, etc.

If you’re choosing to sign up on someone’s instance you’re choosing to agree to how they’re managing it.

That’s frankly why I like Lemmy.zip, the only time they’ve defederated is for a technical issue was was causing the servers to crash. Beyond that, I’m treated like an adult capable of making my own choices of which instances I want to block or interact with.

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Tollana1234567 1 point a month ago

i know right, tankies love to say they are being censored like CONSERVATIVES, but they would censor you in return without a single thought.

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davel 9 points a month ago

Neither Lemmy nor PieFed puts locks on anything, other than what an instance’s admins choose to put on them. One might try to argue that PieFed’s optional default blocklist is a bridge too far, but that’s about it.

Edit to add: Okay, PieFed does put some locks on by default, though they can be unlocked.

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silentjohn 7 points a month ago

Since you proclaim to be a Leftist, what's wrong with Lemmy?

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dhut5uyr3uugdeuiicse7kag 5 points a month ago

Mbin exists, but it never seems to get as much attention :/

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flandish 3 points a month ago

what are the differences? i signed up with this instance but am still learning.

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lovingisliving -7 points a month ago

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Dave 21 points a month ago

Piefed isn't a fork of Lemmy, it's completely independent code. They just speak the same language.

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flandish 8 points a month ago

so they’re both hosts that serve and share content using the same protocol?

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Tollana1234567 1 point a month ago

not even close they dont even use the same codes, or programming.

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prole 1 point a month ago

People are not children who need child locks put on their internet.

Except it seems like we do since these platforms have propagandized an entire generation towards far right ideologies.

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kepix 2 points a month ago

3000 line opt out for a 300 ppl community. seems legit.

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JackbyDev 1 point a month ago

There is no easy opt-out

How so?

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Allero 5 points a month ago

The only UI option to do so is to manually remove every single domain, one by one.

Removing all of them requires:

Figuring out the list exists in the first place, and it's primarily right-wing resources
Manually figuring out the position of the list in the database and removing all the entries

This was done intentionally (again, according to Rimu himself) as an ideological step. According to him, software must be ideological, and he doesn't like his software being used for any purposes that could help the right wing.

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JackbyDev 3 points a month ago

I guess this sums up Rimu's position pretty well,

That’s how Mastodon gets forked into Truth Social.

I understand the sentiment, but as long as any project is FLOSS this is a risk. They can just fork and remove the list. It's sort of like the "security through obscurity" mentality. It's not actually doing anything to prevent motivated fascists from forking PieFed and removing that. It's just making it marginally less convenient for them to do so.

Source: https://piefed.social/comment/11256609

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MonkderVierte 0 points a month ago

Please don't. A left-wing echo chamber is as bad as a right wing echo chamber.

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tidderuuf 5 points a month ago

In case you haven't already noticed. This place is so much of a left wing echochamber that the different shades of liberals and progressive are constantly at odds with each other. I'll probably be permabanned from another instance for even mentioning it.

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adubya 2 points a month ago

Sadly true

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null -2 points a month ago

There is no easy opt-out, forcing existing instances to follow the blocklist.

Totally good-faith summary. Great work.

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acockworkorange -13 points a month ago

It's interesting that a developer thinks they have authority over other people's instances, while using it to block authoritarian discourse (both right wing and m-l).

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NoForwadSlashS 28 points a month ago

What part of having a blocklist for your own instance is asserting authority over other instances?

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acockworkorange 2 points a month ago

It's not for one instance. PieFed's block list can only be edited by changing the source code. I'm more than in favor if giving instance owners control over their server. If said list was just a default, easily editable from the user (admin) interface, that would be OK. But as it is, it's an attempt to exert control over other people's servers, no ifs or buts about it.

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jatone 1 point a month ago

citation needed. no one has provided evidence of that and i highly doubt it simply due to the multiple claims by individuals here crying foul claiming multiple versions of how that block list is stored. not to mention, you know, it'd need to be updated periodically.

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davel 4 points a month ago

The commenter is a bit confused. There are two distinct things at play.

This post is about the domain blocklist, which is not mandatory on install—though most new instances choose it—and can be removed by an admin with either the patience or the database skill to remove it.

The other thing at play is the hard-coded list of banned fediverse instances, which are automatically added to the federation blocklist on new instances. These can also be removed by an admin. The list contains far-right & outright fascist instances, threads.com, and two socialist instances: Hexbear & Lemmygrad.

[Edited to fix link.]

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rimu -3 points a month ago

Here is the user interface for unblocking:

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acockworkorange 2 points a month ago

Oh, nice! It's good to see progress. So this line from OP:

there is no easy opt-out

Is outdated? All 3k+ addresses can be removed from this interface?

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