Google will now verify if you're a human by turning on your webcam and asking you to wave your hand

4 days ago by beep to c/technology

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dhork 146 points 4 days ago

The videos are never associated with a user's identity and are deleted after the verification process. Audio is never recorded.

I actually believe them. It's gonna start out this way. But in a year or two, they'll quietly slip in a provision stating they will hold on to the images for a short time for security purposes, then they will say that they will associate your image with your identity to make it more secure, then Google's AI will know everything about everyone (and sell the info to the highest bidder)

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Burninator05 79 points 4 days ago

I believe them as well from a very literal perspective. The video will be deleted but the metadata that is created from the video will not.

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Fmstrat 4 points 2 days ago

100% this. The fingerprint is what they use for reidentification.

I've spoken to a number of companies in this space while searching for one that uses a ZKP and a user-held VC of the fingerprint vs the server storing it (for use with a Linux Foundation labs project). I ended up rolling my own using FOSS face models.

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br3d 34 points 4 days ago

This will be like the proof of age face scans. Yes, the VIDEO is deleted, but the unique biometric code describing your face sure as hell won't be deleted. Focusing on deleting the video has got to be a deliberate distraction

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AbouBenAdhem 31 points 4 days ago

It should be considered a universal law of corporate behavior: any information that has theoretical value will eventually be sold.

Even if current management has no intention of exploiting it, they’ll be replaced by the board, or the division and its data will be spun off and sold for its IP—that’s just corporate nature (i.e., the purpose of a system is what it does).

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FauxLiving 8 points 3 days ago

Don't be evil

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undefinedValue 21 points 4 days ago

That’s just v1. At some point they’ll realize that bots can deepfake a human waving and they’re going to want to truly verify it’s you by verifying the position of moles on your body… Then they’ll have to save your data… to secure your account!

Soon they’ll realize to get good mole data they’ll need you to show more skin, as some people don’t have much on their face and their clothing could be hiding those juicy datapoints.

That’s when v2 hits. Flash google your titties to secure your account, don’t worry it’s super secure and we never share your titties with law enforcement agencies unless it’s required by law!

You’ll be walking through your local library because tech has gone to far and you need to unplug but as you walk by the rows of shared computers it’ll all be old people flashing their titties at the screen to continue watching ads on YouTube.

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DaddleDew 95 points 4 days ago

Calling it: In the future we will learn that they have been using it to gather face recognition data and have been using it to track their users in the real world by partnering with the likes of Flock.

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avidamoeba 27 points 4 days ago

Reasonable bet if they didn't already have root on devices in people's pockets, with cameras pointing at their faces for hours per day. Along with GPS, cell, WiFi and Bluetooth location services.

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XLE 13 points 4 days ago

The video gets deleted, they say. But they don't say what happens to the data derived from that video. Training models and such.

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zerozaku 2 points 3 days ago

I'll delete your video for sure! Lemme just make a copy of it, first!

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CeeBee_Eh 2 points 3 days ago

we will learn that they have been using it to gather face recognition data

They already have all that with the trillions and trillions of photos people willingly backed up with Google photos.

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gibmiser 88 points 4 days ago

I will not do this. Whatever services require this i will not use.

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BassTurd 16 points 3 days ago

If I have to do this to log into my email one last time as I'm migrating out, I will write off all emails there as lost. If my phone makes me do it to unlock it, I will go out and by an iPhone on the spot. That makes me want to puke typing that out, because I hate iPhones, but I'll do it.

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Sxan 5 points 3 days ago

Linux phone. It'll be painful, but maybe less painful þan an iPhone.

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chocrates 4 points 3 days ago

Shit what am I gonna do about email

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BassTurd 6 points 3 days ago

I signed up for tuta, but have yet to actually migrate. I've been on Gmail for over 20 years, so it's tough to get everything moved over as far as having used that for accounts.

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IsoKiero 6 points 3 days ago

Move existing messages from gmail account to new one, set up a forwarding rule from gmail to your new address for everything, change accounts as they show up. Maybe a bit longer route, but far easier to swallow since you don't need to go trough all the things in one go nor worry if you've missed something.

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CapuccinoCoretto 71 points 4 days ago

Google can verify I'm a human by not using Google.

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Substance_P 10 points 4 days ago

I would love to not have YT in every corner of the internet though. I wonder how developers of Youtube forks will deal with this?

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Zephorah 9 points 4 days ago

You need another YouTube. Free for anyone to post, the same volume, the same storage. Nebula is elite and paid. You and I can’t post on it. The others I’ve seen contain a handful of conspiracy theorists and Linux people.

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CIA_chatbot 18 points 4 days ago

Conspiracy theorists and Linux people? You sonofabitch I’m in

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Zephorah 3 points 4 days ago

Yeah, but there only a handful of each.

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missingno 8 points 4 days ago

The amount of storage and bandwidth Youtube needs is something no competitor could ever hope to match.

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Kittywifclaws 1 point 4 days ago

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SirMaple__ 42 points 3 days ago

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lemmysmash 39 points 4 days ago

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billwashere 4 points 3 days ago

Yes this hand gesture

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Asafum 32 points 4 days ago

The only hand gesture I'm giving Google is:

🖕

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Big_Boss_77 32 points 3 days ago

The fuck it will

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etherphon 27 points 4 days ago

My desktop doesn't have a webcam hum, oh wellz

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Eyekaytee -26 points 4 days ago

that’s ok it’s optional, the op is baiting you guys like you’re moronic enough to fall for it

oh wait you guys are gg

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ambitiousslab 14 points 4 days ago

Whether or not it's optional it's still pretty dystopian. And I think we've seen the path before where something optional but "more secure" becomes mandatory and everything else gets shut off.

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Eyekaytee -26 points 4 days ago

hand gestures on webcam are already used to verify id, this is nothing new

maybe to lemmy who don’t have jobs

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Zomg 14 points 4 days ago

Are you okay?

Insulting lemmy for jobs while being on lemmy is moronic.

People having concerns for this stuff is how we have things like the fucking platform your on and many other things. You have too much shit to be grateful for to be saying some absolutely moronic shit like that.

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Grimy 4 points 4 days ago

I only use Lemmy if I'm on the clock. Im probably one of the few who's comments are high enough quality to justify paying for them. Granted, he doesn't know he is paying for it but my boss might join Lemmy one day and get to see the fruits of my labor/his money.

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Infernal_pizza 24 points 3 days ago

Do Google employees actually do anything other than sit around thinking of ways to make things worse? In the last few years we've had web environment integrity (thankfully that one seems to have been dropped), gutting the AOSP to the point where it's practically unusable on its own, Android developer verification, play integrity, QR code captchas and now this

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AppleMist 23 points 4 days ago

It says in the docs:

"## Accessibility

For users with accessibility needs who cannot use hand gestures to complete the challenge, reCAPTCHA continues to provide visual and audio challenges, and develop more accessible and secure alternatives."

So it seems you can just do a different task if you don't want to do the hand thing anyway.

Edit: obligatory F google still of course.

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RobotToaster 18 points 4 days ago

For now.

Also the last time I tried using the audio option on recaptcha it felt like a psychotic break.

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A_Random_Idiot 22 points 3 days ago

Further reason to avoid google's shit like the fuckin plague.

The videos are never associated with a user’s identity and are deleted after the verification process. Audio is never recorded.

My fat fucking ass do any of this. Google is just as data hungry as everyone else, they will absolutely save it, and feed it to their AI to enhance their ability to generate realistic people.

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BarneyPiccolo 14 points 3 days ago

Exactly. In a few years, there will be some breach, and it will come out that Google "accidentally" saved everything, and they are shocked and appalled that the gosh darn AI that did it.

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A_Random_Idiot 6 points 3 days ago

Exactly. Its what these companies do every time.

and there will be no punishment for it, because people are too lazy and stupid to stop using google, and government is to feckless and useless to properly hold megacorps accountable.

Bet they'll be "punished" by a 5 million dollar fine (which is like, couch money to google, and would probably be 0.005% of the money they made from doing it)

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replicat 22 points 3 days ago

Guess I'm not a human anymore

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green_goglin 4 points 3 days ago

The Electric sheep dreams go hard though /s

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BassTurd 21 points 3 days ago

I don't have a child, but if I a did have one, and they walked naked in front of the webcam, could I go after Google for CP?

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Jarix 4 points 3 days ago

Iirc child nudity isn't enough for something to be considered porn. It has to be gratuitous. Not sure if that is the same for transmitting online or not.

It's fakin weird by today's standards though and is probably handled very differently from one place to another

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A_Random_Idiot 11 points 3 days ago

Child nudity, even if its medically necessary, is 100% enough for google to delete everything you have with them and to call the police on you, labeling you a pedophile.

Because its already happened

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WhiteOakBayou 1 point 3 days ago

This story is what led me to start dropping Google services and got me into self hosting for more than just media.

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A_Random_Idiot 2 points 3 days ago

Good.

Fuck google. I just wish the other 5 billion people obsessed with it would do the same. Company is one of many that deserve to die.

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Jarix 1 point 3 days ago

Perhaps I didn't remember correctly. I'm curious how movies have gotten away with it

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A_Random_Idiot 1 point 3 days ago

Movies arent typically made by google.

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DudeImMacGyver 21 points 3 days ago

The fuck it will

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WYLD_STALLYNS 19 points 3 days ago

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Bruncvik 18 points 3 days ago

Are webcams that ubiquitous nowadays? My monitors never had one, and I could never be arsed to buy an external one, but perhaps I'm the weird outlier here.

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Unboxious 23 points 3 days ago

You're an outlier simply by being a desktop computer user instead of a laptop, phone, or tablet user.

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A_Random_Idiot 14 points 3 days ago

the world would be a lot better if people went back to sitting at desks to use the computer/internet.

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LifeLikeLady 17 points 3 days ago

Think I'll finish migrating away from google this weekend.

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Snapz 16 points 4 days ago

"Rest assured, the video is TOTALLY deleted, bro... but we will take about 120 still screenshots per second as a backup."

"Oh weird, if you look at these screenshots real fast it's almost like they move, haha, fun!!"

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frustrated_phagocytosis 16 points 4 days ago

People without hands suddenly non human

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Burninator05 4 points 4 days ago

Do you guys not have stumps?

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MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown 3 points 4 days ago

Not everyone

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ReverendIrreverence 16 points 3 days ago

Jokes on them. I run Linux on a 2017 MacBook Air and the camera doesn't work

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Tronn4 13 points 3 days ago

I'll wave my ding dong

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deliriousdreams 6 points 3 days ago

Your Tralala?

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green_goglin 4 points 3 days ago

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wonderingwanderer 12 points 3 days ago

The fuck it will.

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Kintarian 11 points 3 days ago

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Aneb 10 points 3 days ago

Hahahahahaha nope.

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homesweethomeMrL 10 points 3 days ago

The fuck they will

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MoonRaven 10 points 3 days ago

What Webcam?

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MisterCurtis 9 points 4 days ago

For users with accessibility needs who cannot use hand gestures to complete the challenge, reCAPTCHA continues to provide visual and audio challenges, and develop more accessible and secure alternatives.

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osanna 9 points 3 days ago

yeah, so that's absolutely not happening. if it requires me to turn my cam on, I will just close the tab.

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Intheflsun 9 points 4 days ago

Do they have any idea the sheer volume of penis helicopters they are going to record by doing this?

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tidderuuf 7 points 4 days ago

Headlines in a year from now "Google's Contractor for Recaptcha Video Analysis suffering PTSD after seeing so many dicks and assholes"

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DarrinBrunner 7 points 4 days ago

If they implement this for Gmail, it will be the reason I finally leave Gmail. That will be a PIA, though.

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anon_8675309 7 points 3 days ago

Don’t have one.

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Greyghoster 6 points 3 days ago

A bit hard given the lack of webcam.

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phoenixz 6 points 3 days ago

Whenever I need to send a selfie picture for whatever fucked up reason, I always give them a photo of my middle finger

Fuck these websites, fuck you Google

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Hueristic_Autistic 5 points 3 days ago

So we click the things that say can not do challenge and we’ll pick the alternatives, no?

"Accessibility

For users with accessibility needs who cannot use hand gestures to complete the challenge, reCAPTCHA continues to provide visual and audio challenges, and develop more accessible and secure alternatives."

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cley_faye 5 points 3 days ago

No, they won't. They might try, mind you, but that's not happening. I'll sooner adapt to a piece of tape at the top of my screen than to this.

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ITGuyLevi 2 points 2 days ago

If you use an adhesive bandage, you can position it so it doesn't get glue on the lens (if you ever actually use it).

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cley_faye 2 points 2 days ago

Eh, that's actually crafty :D

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AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor 5 points 4 days ago

No they won't. If they try, I will leave the website.

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Zomg 5 points 4 days ago

I feel like something like yubikey that requires physical touch to the device would also fulfill this?

I don't trust that these photos and videos won't be used against us in some way later like advertising or tracking.

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gdbjr 3 points 4 days ago

I need that goatse image to show them when they ask. Maybe I can get Gemini it animate some of the fingers moving.

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SharkAttak 2 points 3 days ago

Better yet, make it so you can see a hand giving the middle finger inside the cavernous space.

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IphtashuFitz 3 points 4 days ago

🖕

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Janx 2 points 3 days ago

Why wait? We can block their headquarters and wave a hand (and finger) now...

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kokesh 2 points 4 days ago

I'll flip bird

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1984 2 points 3 days ago

Lol.

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charokol 2 points 4 days ago

I feel like I see dire warnings like this every day, and then it never happens

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Grumpus_Maximus 2 points 4 days ago

I believe it now. Because Google is an ad company and ai threatens their revenue model.

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betanumerus 1 point 4 days ago

Black electrical tape exists.

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