That's not what I said. That site measures the output of the chain. I said we grow more food (ie plants) than humanity can eat. We feed the majority of that food to the livestock we keep that absolutely dwarfs the biomass of all wild animals. That introduces a 90%+ caloric inefficiency. If we just ate the plants, we would have to stop growing so much food, even all our industrial processes don't demand that much. But capitalism demands instead that we keep growing more food than the year before, and so it demands inefficiencies like animal ag. Any scarcity is entirely engineered. It's not an accident, it's by design. It is necessary to maximize investor return.

Land isn't unlimited. Physical resources aren't unlimited. For example while a person can manufacture more batteries, with more people on the planet each battery will be more expensive for everyone because each is vying for the same limited resources that are used to make a battery.

I also wouldn't say that low birthrate is caused by capitalism but by over population. No economic system can sustain unlimited growth. When too many are competing for too few resources, there is no time for families.

we already have enough productivity

why do you think we need more?

Yes, the medical care is 1000x more than cost of food and things.

An infant requires more constant care than a dying elderly. Parents are on rotation 24/7 for the first year. That's more than elderly get in hospice.

Moneywise it's $600k for a child. $400k from parents. $200k from the state for the free k-12 education.

Elderly on average have $200k in savings age 65-74 and spend $155k in medical costs their last 3 years.

Children are more expensive in money and direct labor.

The unique expense for a kid is education

Young kids require a lot of health care, tbf

Cost per child is $300k, $400k including college. The state (which means workers' taxes) chip in an average of $17k / year for k-12 which is another $200k. That's $600k per child, not including the free labor from the parents.

The average savings for someone 65-74 is $200k. End of life costs are $155k for the last 3 years.

Average 64-75 have $200k savings and spend $155k for last 3 years.

A child takes $600k. ($300k from parents. $100k college. $200k paid by state to cover the free k-12.)

True, that would be even better but sounds like communism so it won't happen. I would certainly prefer it over the ice floe thing

providing advice

They do, it's called the republican party and conservative think tanks.

supporting children and parents

I mean other than your own family, why would you do that? Sounds like extra work when you want to be retired.

spreading their community’s history

That's called Facebook, it exists. That's where they spread their conservative politics.

You seem to think that old people would be interested in any of this. Most wouldn't. They're loaded, they can live like kings without being bothered by a bunch of young people. Why would anyone want to put in extra work when they don't have to?

you want to kill them 'slowly and peacefully', barbarian? Get help lol.

Even in ideal conditions most humans will be dying quickly after they hit 80+ , ESPECIALLY men , even with ideal nutriation and exercise . The human body's telomeres were not constructed to support a person who wants to live past 100 thats why so many people who are 100+ are shockingly slow and weak compared to their primes from 20s-early 40s. Even if theybwere athletes lol

You can fight and try all you want to resist death once you hit the big 100. And yea some of your efforts will work for a while Good nutrition will make it so that you have the things inside you that you need to functiom. Caretakers will ensure that you are able to reach what you cannot reach any more. Exercise , especially resistance exercise , will help you to stay mobile and stong enough to lift yourself after youve fallen.... But these efforts are NOTHING in comparison to what your shortened telomeres will wreak on your body once youve hit an old enough age.

It should be noted we have no documented evidence of a person living past 117.

There's a reason for this....

Ua the issue isnt age groups but the distribution of resources and access to political power of different classes.

An 89 year old member of their local community centre will always be more useful to the humanity , and evem the planet , than a 29 year old billionaire lol

Other age groups don't entire half the damn economy. Boomers are a class unto themselves.

Billionaires collectively own about 10 trillion in the US, Boomers collectively over 80 trillion.

Just going with the US because it's the best known example. It's not very dissimilar in other western countries but the US is the worst I believe.

literallt just this.

Capitalism DEMANDS Unequal Exchange. Notnonly to poor workers in The Global South get less of what they work for but also people in thr global north get less of their labour and its funneled to the billionaires. THIS is probably the most important issue in the world today other than Climste Change. THATS why I named myself this.

Jason Hickel et al. publisjhed two studies that you can find on Sci-Hub for free that talks about this. ALso Torkil Lauessen has a free audio bool on youtuibe titled 'Unequal Exchange' where he talks about just this issue.

Not me, but I think that the fundamental argument is quality / quantity.

The quantity side aligns with capitalism and growth for the sake of growth. More consumers. More labor. Supporting the top-heavy aging populace (admittedly a problem) by whatever means necessary. Quantity is an argument favoring people not yet born, or favoring a pyramid scheme by which there needs to be an ever-expanding base of young, productive people to support the old. Nonexistent people's "wants" should not be considered in any way. If they are not born, they can not suffer. We should not consider what hypothetical people might have wanted. The elderly need to be supported, but by some other means. We cannot continue growth forever simply to support all those who came before us.

The quality side is benefit for the existing populace. As a person who exists, it's basically the only thing I care about. I prefer my quality of life over sacrifice for the potential existence of not-yet-existent lives. I think any sane person would want there to be more quality of life for themselves and other people living. Quantity of life directly impedes this goal.

The previous poster may not have stated the case as such, but I believe that it is self-evident.

I don't think you comprehend exactly how large a number 7 billion actually is. There's plenty of innovation and art potential already.

exactly. People in Asia, north america , nd europe arent having kids cause most of them are like me and you.

We realize that we would just have more miserable dependants while we ourselves are still miserable. Band aid babies wont fix how shitty our economies and monotonous lives are. The economy doesnt work for most people who dont have tons of wealth so why should we 'The Poors' create more sad and suicidal slaves and soldiers for this disgsusting monotonous economy? ( Why have we not rebelled yet? is the question that plagues myind even more to be honest...)

Ive got my vasectomy snd I plan on s taying snipped until we can create a world where being miserable is practically an unknown emotion for most people. Well truth be told Im still a 31 year old virgin but if I ever change my mind about having kids? HELL NYAH am I bringing in another slave to suffer through half the nonsense I have , I am adopting instead, amd dont care what anyone says.

No offence, but I think that if people think they can make change with votes then they don't really understand how dark reality is.

I don't think anything will ever change for real until people get over the denial of this truth and the extremely heavy weight of its surrealism.

People and citizens are assets like farm cattle. The nation is the middle man, and the wealthy do business with the nation for their own objectives and agendas. Citizens are like kids in a play pen, put their by the wealthy, so that they can do the real work and play the real game in reality without the citizens causing too much trouble or issues.

As citizens we are groomed and taught not to understand the real game and real reality. Our success, the American or western success we are groomed to want and achieve is usually not Human success. John Stockwell, a CIA whistleblower said it well, "...they are using people for purpose that is not their actual purpose..."

Left right and center are all just tools to be abused. And no one wants to truly face honest reality when they can just Netflix or scroll reality away. Our ill-gotten privileges are a major problem to the human species. They aren't rights, and they aren't good, they are a veil that masks us from reality and keeps us pacified as cattle while they use us. Kind of like a pimp abusing their hooker with drugs so that they will submit to wealthy Johns that use them. And in the end most of gains from the transaction go to the pimp (nation), which just get re entered into the economy of the pimp and the wealthy, not the hookers(citizens). Money will be used to keep the hooker in the figurative playpen though... That's what we get as citizens, occasional novelty on our free-range farm solely to give us the perfect level on centent so that people don't wake up to the reality.

Our nations are outdated and I think trump is actually a puppet in place to distract while they build up modern infrastructure of surveillance and policing to regain control in modern times. And I think they don't mind human and social sacrifices during this process. In fact part of the process is probably specifically depopulating.

I really think we are groomed from birth into something far darker than anyone wants to admit because weight of the truth is literally the weight of the whole universes authentic reality. Nothing is going to change until people are willing to wake up completely, not half way, and not via votes or charity. Truth is harsh and real sacrifices need to be made and not many are willing to make them because truth is fucking terrifying.

This doesn't need to be "conspiracy" either, it could just simply be a side effect that grew stronger than the initial foundation without being noticed. There's not even a need to say there is some elite mastermind group - that's not a requisite for this idea to be truth.

If the immigrants who sometimes don't even speak the language and work the worst paid jobs have 2-3 kids on the average, I'm sure you can as well if it's truly a priority.