I mean, given how hard the PS3 was to develop for I'd imagine Sony learned their lesson there.
drcobaltjedi 20 points 24 days ago
boonhet 9 points 24 days ago
PS5 and series X are pretty much just standardised PCs as far as hardware is concerned and they're both full AMD setups to boot, I imagine it's much easier to develop console games now.
PS3 had a weird ass CPU architecture. Very hard to make use of efficiently because of specialised coprocessors IIRC.
rockSlayer 7 points 24 days ago
I actually ended up with a hierarchy of dev kits. I found the last gen kits to be miserable to work with, but the xbox dev sdk is pretty nice for both series and xbone. The PS5 is at the top for their suite of development tools. PS4 in comparison was horrific to use. PC with bnet was really good, but the build list could be overwhelming. There were times where different localization servers on the same server had different builds, it got very confusing at times
- PS5
- Battle.net
- Xbox series
- Xbox series retail
- Xbox one
- PS4
wazzupdog 31 points 24 days ago
My ps3 was my last PlayStation couldn't justify a ps4 and the ps5 was a nightmare for all the games releasing digital only (or having a disc that was effectively a drink coaster due to the game still needing downloaded in order to play)
the16bitgamer 5 points 24 days ago
Some PS3 games where 20-40GB each. You didn’t see the file size since the game actually ran off the disc. For a console where the average system size was 160GB is was not enough.
ThatGuy46475 3 points 24 days ago
Don’t you still need the disc for the license
wazzupdog 3 points 24 days ago
Yes, but if/when Sony kills support for those systems the disc becomes a useless piece of plastic unless you have the entire game catalog installed. A ton of discs don't contain enough of the game data to be playable out of the box.
HerbGrower 21 points 24 days ago
Linux PC is the only option left
Blackmist -2 points 24 days ago
You don't own your games on Steam either.
Realistically we need laws changing to catch up. Nobody, not even good old uncle Gabe, are going to give us the same rights we had with physical games.
ILikeBoobies 19 points 23 days ago
Support for Linux isn't support for Steam.
Draconic_NEO 4 points 23 days ago
Also for ones that use Steam DRM it can be simulated. It's a stretch to call it hard DRM and I wish more people would mention this aspect.
crapwittyname 2 points 23 days ago
Not having tens of thousands to spend on storage is a bit of a blocker in my case.
HerbGrower 8 points 24 days ago
I own my GOG games though. Factorio, which I got straight from WUBE, I also own.
Blackmist 3 points 24 days ago
I understand there are different levels to the word "own".
Own them as in "I can play them even if that store is unavailable in the future" is one level.
Own them as in "I can trade/give them to others when I don't want them any more" is another.
One is not better than the other, and they're not mutually exclusive. But physical gives you both of them. Digital doesn't. Or not yet at least.
HerbGrower 4 points 23 days ago
Digital is better then surely? I can give it to you and still have my original.
Draconic_NEO 2 points 23 days ago
You own them the same way you own Steam Games without DRM. If you keep a backup of them you'll always have them but if the store goes away or terminates the files you won't be able to re-download it from them.
HerbGrower 1 point 23 days ago
So the same as physical games then, if you lose your copy its gone. But its much easier to backup and have multiple.
You really aren’t selling physical media with DRM to me, and they always seem to have DRM. I could make 20 copies on bluray if I wanted to with my games, much harder with your physical ones.
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble 1 point 23 days ago
You don't own games on gog, you just have a offline DRM free installer
HerbGrower 2 points 23 days ago
If you want to go down the technicality of owning that much the same applies to physical media for games.
I could copy my installer to a DVD and at that point it doesn't really make a difference, oh look its physical now.
AnimalsDream 5 points 23 days ago
Steam is still driving a lot of support for Proton and other open-source development for gaming on Linux, which is why they're still worth supporting. And if (maybe when) they enshittify, then it is far easier to sail the high seas on any Linux gaming rig than it is on any console.
samus12345 6 points 23 days ago
You also don't need to buy a game on Steam to benefit from Steam's Proton.
AnimalsDream 3 points 23 days ago
True, but I do anyway because they consistently create the nicest gaming experience and have a plethora of nice features like their super user-friendly controller customization system.
Fuckswearwords 16 points 24 days ago
Dude I'm not even into consoles/gaming but this dystopian blade runner capitalism shit hits home every day now. Even frozen meals are becoming so tasteless/expensive I'm starting to wonder how decapitating someone will make it taste better.
MonkeMischief 4 points 23 days ago
I'm starting to wonder how decapitating someone will make it taste better.
Sorry wat. O.o
Blackfeathr 2 points 23 days ago
I think what they're trying to say is, mmm tasty billionaires.
TankovayaDiviziya 13 points 24 days ago
I'm convinced that Sony and Microsoft formed an agreement to both enshittify. Sony dropped the ball but Microsoft isn't even trying to capitalise on that failure. Competition would usually immediately hit any signs of weakness but Microsoft isn't even doing it. From the looks of it, Microsoft is even doing their own mistakes alongside Sony.
IEatDaFeesh 4 points 24 days ago
Fuck them they can keep Mario Kart. If there was ever a moment to decide to follow your moral beliefs, not buying a switch 2 would be the easiest way to practice that.
Couldbealeotard 3 points 24 days ago
MS aren't trying to capitalise because they were already planning to do the same thing. Maybe for the fact they did it first, Sony are getting all the heat while the other players are sitting back waiting for it to blow over. And it will.
The fact is, most people don't want physical media. Even the people complaining aren't really complaining about physical media, they are complaining about buying a licence to software, which has been a thing longer than most people complaining have been alive.
Funkt4st1c 11 points 24 days ago
I bought a ps4 for $20 in mint condition after being a die hard 360 player.
Its all linux from here, baybeee
tio_bira 10 points 24 days ago
My last Playstation was the PS4, there's not enough exclusive games on PS5 to make me buy it instead invest on my rig, also lots pf games who have been launched also runs on PS4, so it was meaningless anyway
CrabAndBroom 9 points 23 days ago
PS4 was my last one. I was up for getting a PS5 but it was too expensive when it came out and the scalpers got them all. I thought "No worries, I'll just wait and it'll get cheaper." And then it just kept getting more expensive forever.
banazir 8 points 24 days ago
PS3 is the last gaming console I can get behind, even if it wasn't perfect. Everything has been enshittified to all hell since then and I just can't any more. I actually bought a PS5, but the experience was just horrible. All the good things (the games boot up incredibly fast, I was actually amazed) were just drowned out by the negative aspects. I sold mine not long after. Never again. Tech is a living nightmare and nothing is exciting any more, just privacy violations and hostility to consumers. Nothing is worth it.
tutter 3 points 23 days ago
Was about 2000 usd brand new, which i think amounts to about 1000 bucks in good comdition now?
Its an acer nitro 5 an515-55, p nice specs for when it released (2016-2020 ish i think).
Actually my gf's old work machine (she does a lot of 3d modelling), we got a replacement free of charge because of manufacturing error regarding the battery, so its just been laying around. Perfect for this usecase as i just removed the battery, bypassing any funkiness in there.
So yeah lots of unknown variables there. If i had completely free choice id have gone with an amd gpu based machine. Muuuch less setup involved. The only real challenge in the setup was getting the nvidia gpu to play nice lol
sry for the infodump you triggered my 'special interest' trap card :P
fuckwit_mcbumcrumble 3 points 23 days ago
My old work laptop has an 11th gen i9 and rtx 3080 (laptop) and it goes for about $900 on ebay these days. Basically the same as a PS5 pro.
the16bitgamer 8 points 23 days ago
I was team PlayStation until the Vita, which betrayed my trust.
How Sony handled the PS4 made me lose faith in the company as a whole, with how they handled PS Plus
And the PS5 just made it easier to never buy from them again.
Sony is only a good company when it’s trying to win, while loosing. See PS1 and the end of PS3 era
baltakatei 7 points 23 days ago
The whole point of gaming consoles was to eek every bit of performance out of hardware by booting directly into the game rather than supporting a crufty general purpose operating system. The minute you do things like implementing a web browser interface to simplify development time at the expense of increased complexity, your product becomes functionally indistinguishable from a PC which your customers will switch to eventually to.
Draconic_NEO 6 points 23 days ago
It's also invalid since PCs now can also do exactly that with Valve releasing Gamescope and Big picture, which people colloquially call SteamOS. Even though you can do the same thing on any Linux Distro. It literally does exactly that. It loads a console-like UI in Steam to select Games and doesn't load heavy stuff like a browser or desktop. Unless you want to boot that stuff up.
ddplf -2 points 23 days ago
Are you seriously comparing a full-blown linux distro with a gaming app preinstalled; to cartridge-era no OS consoles and CD-era BIOS-only consoles AND calling them exactly the same thing because they both have
console-like UI in Steam to select Games
?
Oh, and the latter (doesn't load heavy stuff like a browser or desktop) is simply not true, because desktop is not heavy at all and steam ships with built-in web browser
slainheirtax 7 points 24 days ago
Same, fuck Sony
AgentSeven 6 points 24 days ago
My last one was PS4 and I regret buying it now. I had like 40 games for PS3 and I thought I would probably repeat with PS4 but and at the end of the day, I only was interested enough to get 9 games. I'm just way too into doing things on the PC now and there's just not enough exciting exclusive content to justify consoles for me.
morgan_423 2 points 23 days ago
Be cautious if you decide to try it, and do your research.
Most jailbreaks and exploits only work if the console has old firmware on it and it never got updated to more recent firmware for whatever reason. If the firmware isn't old enough, then you can't put custom stuff on it, and then you just have a regular PS5.
Draconic_NEO 5 points 23 days ago
Last one I had was the PS3 and since I own most of the same games I have on it on PC, it seems kind of pointless. Plus it roars like a Jet engine and still gets high temps despite having re-pasted it.
ProdigalFrog 5 points 24 days ago
I picked up a used ps3 slim after my Xbox 360 red ringed, and it got some decent use as a netflix machine (back when that was cheap and still kinda new-ish) and a few games, but I noticed that I played damn few things on it overall, and beyond ratchet and clank and the first red dead, the exclusives didn't do much for me, so I sold it.
I didn't have a console for a long time afterward, over a decade. None of the newer options from Xbox or Sony appealed to me, especially with the requirement to pay a monthly fee to pay online (I only ever did a free trial of Xbox Live on my 360).
Then this year I picked up an old Wii with a balance board on a lark. Fuck me if it wasn't the best console I've ever owned.
Super easy to mod, tons of good emulators can run on it, wireless classic controllers are dirt cheap and feel great, tons of great exclusives, motion controls actually kick ass and feel fresh (resident evil 4 has been a blast with them), the balance board with Wii fit actually works great and is surprisingly unique and useful, it goes on.
Some may disagree, but honestly I think consoles peaked at the Wii, and its been downhill from there.
stylusmobilus 2 points 23 days ago
The Wii is an exceptionally good console. So is the second one to be fair, as well.
ProdigalFrog 2 points 23 days ago
The Wii U is nice too, though in my mind it's mostly just a slightly upgraded Wii with an HDMI connection, as it never really got many good titles made for it outside of the Zelda remasters/BOTW. I think it does have access to a few more emulators if modded though.
stylusmobilus 2 points 23 days ago
I believe so. Yeah there’s a reasonable amount of accuracy in that comment and I guess it’s partly why it never took off the way the first one did.
We have two Wii and two Wii U here, both are modded, my son does all that. My daughter has a third, our old original, that’s modded as well.
Some things Nintendo do and did so well that the others struggle with. The kind of fun you’re having with the balance bard and Wii Fit echoes that. After all this time they still work brilliantly.
AnimalsDream 4 points 23 days ago
I gave away my previous Ps4, but now I'm in a weird spot where I don't have a bluray player. It sounds like getting a bluray drive for Linux systems doesn't seem to work very for drm reasons, so I'm trying to decide whether I should get a new drive for my ps3 or maybe get a new ps4. Ps5 is way too expensive. 🤔
WolfLink 5 points 23 days ago
You can hack blu ray players, which can help get around DRM but also let you make your own rips of both movies and games.
insomniac_lemon 1 point 23 days ago
For patching this seems to only work with 1 specific drive chipset. Also not sure if 'native support' in the chart means any BD drive (when relevant) or only if it only works with BD drives that were already models that had the specific hardware/firmware to read games (I'm guessing it's this one).
I would be very upset with my old non-compatible LG drive if I didn't also lack the other circumstances that would make ripping games usable.
Draconic_NEO 2 points 23 days ago
I was able to source the keys and play movies just fine. Only thing was that the Menu didn't work on VLC, so I had to play the titles directly. They all played fine though. The key thing though stagnates development and means issues won't be fixed due to perceptions abut obtaining said keys.
AnimalsDream 1 point 22 days ago
That all sounds like significantly more effort than popping a disc in and pressing play.
Draconic_NEO 1 point 21 days ago
Well you only have to do it once then you can play the discs afterwards with no real effort.
AnimalsDream 4 points 23 days ago
It's not the hardware that's the issue, it's the software. Bluray on Linux is pretty broken.
forbiddencherry 4 points 24 days ago
Had a PS4 but it collected dust while the Switch got all the play (docked, even).
cerebralhawks 3 points 24 days ago
My second DVD player, my second Blu-ray player, and I didn’t have that one but I had a PS1.
Can the design of the PS4 get some love? One of if not the coolest looking consoles ever. That and the GameCube. Never owned either but always admired the style.
DeadEndLink 3 points 24 days ago
Ps4 is my last computer/streaming device/jailbroken stealing machine...
HobbitFoot 2 points 24 days ago
I wonder how long Sony will even bother with the PlayStation. Nintendo had to merge its console and portable lines and Sony's big reason to have the line was to push its hardware standards.
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Stop Killing Games:
The consumer movement to stop game publishers from intentionally destroying older games with kill switches.
The goal is to reach 1 million signatures in the EU so that the european parliament will respond to the initiative that then leads to regulation that requires end-of-life plans for games to stay playable.
go to feed...
I stopped at ps3. But when I worked at Activision, I learned that the ps5 was a great system to work on for development. It's too bad that they're fucking over consumers
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