Minority of a minority of a minority.
GrapheneOS confirmed initial support for Motorola Signature 27
18 days ago by RelativityRanger to c/linuxphones
southernwolf 9 points 17 days ago
Them and the "make it smaller crowd" too. A very small, very loud minority that fails to actually show up when such a product is released.
lastweakness 4 points 17 days ago
You're getting downvoted but as a part of that crowd, I agree
veniasilente 1 point 17 days ago
That's because "make it affordable" is also an implicit ask with any sort of alike economy. And these companies are failing at hearing it.
gandalf_der_13te 6 points 17 days ago
it's not that much a minority as you'd think. just like desktop computers largely still use wires to connect mouse and keyboard, people want to have wired devices.
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corsicanguppy 20 points 18 days ago
No jack? Send it back!!
RelativityRanger 9 points 18 days ago
I strongly agree
thousandyardstare 6 points 17 days ago
Have you tried a USB C to headphone adapter? They're quite small and never have to leave your headphones. And you could set the phone on a wireless charger to charge and listen simultaneously. Would that be an option for you?
Oh. I see someone else asked this. Never mind.
zod000 7 points 18 days ago
I assume you mean a 3a, I don't believe the 3 still had a headphone jack. I held on to my 4a for as long as I could, but after their battery shenanigans it only lasted a few hours is very light use.
ProdigalFrog 2 points 17 days ago
A phone repair shop could pop in a new battery. It wouldn't be secure to use on the internet, but it'd be a good mp3 player :)
zod000 1 point 17 days ago
Due to not being able to get a graphene compatible phone with a headphone jack, I've been just using a DAP for the past year or so. It sucks needing to carry around a second device. If I hadn't already gone this route it would have been an option and I could have just used a rom that let me switch off the radios.
veniasilente 7 points 17 days ago
Sorry I can't hear you over how the bluetooth driver compressed your whining to 8kbps.
RelativityRanger 34 points 18 days ago
We want it built-in, period
corsicanguppy 15 points 18 days ago
Good for you!
RelativityRanger 15 points 18 days ago
yes, period (we can do this all day, let's go 😆)
9tr6gyp3 -13 points 18 days ago
Here is one of the best adapters you can buy:
The charging port (aka USB-C port) isnt going to break because you occasionally plug in a cable into it.
zod000 19 points 18 days ago
The charging port doesn't break from plugging in the cable, it happens because the headphone cable gets pulled at angles and usb-c isn't good at handling the stress from. I've literally had this happen. And yes, Apple's dongle IS one of the best usb-c dongles. They have always sold it dirt cheap as a way to assuage the people that were angry at the headphone jack removal. I am surprised they haven't raised the price after all these years; it has to be sold at a loss at this point.
corsicanguppy 11 points 18 days ago
Engineers disagree.
veniasilente 3 points 17 days ago
The adapter is extra room and gives a joint point that can be bent and broken.
Built-in > Bolt-in.
veniasilente 8 points 17 days ago
Much harder to replace the built-in USB-C port and you also lose a lot of other features of the phone (such as... ya know... charging) in the meanwhile.
Really, AI has brought people intellects that low, even here on Lemmy?
takeda 4 points 17 days ago
How often you needed to replace 3.5mm female socket? I don't think I ever encountered that (if there were issues it was always with the cable), but had to replace USB female socket several times.
hexagonwin 37 points 18 days ago
ik it's subjective but the phone's design looks really bad. can't afford it anyway but..
curbstickle 26 points 18 days ago
90W charging, huge storage option, high quality cameras (I already have a billion lenses on the back of my phone so I just don't give a shit), great screen - yeah I don't care how the thing looks. I care about GrapheneOS support and that it has the hardware to keep it usable for more than a couple of years.
Right now its between this and a flip phone + umpc for me. We'll see where things go in the coming months.
asdfasdfasdf 1 point 17 days ago
Not me - I'm on Graphene but one of the biggest things I love about the software itself is that it's very well designed, which is rare to see in the FOSS / privacy community. I hate shitty UIs and shitty design in general.
PumaStoleMyBluff 27 points 18 days ago
Jesus, I don't care what it does to the image quality, I just don't ever want 4 lenses on the back of my phone
GloriousGasHole 10 points 18 days ago
I miss the days of a single camera lens. I wouldn't even mind a system where you can swap the lens for different needs, but having a "camera bump" on a phone is so annoying. I prefer not needing a case to make the back of my phone lay flat on a table.
jaygray91 4 points 17 days ago
at least this one is now horizontal. so if the individual lens does not protrude too much away from the island, like the iphone 17/18 do, it shouldn't rock when it's on a flat surface.
despite the stupid trend of putting massive islands o. the back of the phone, when well designed it acts as a finger cliff to balance on my hand.
I hand a large hand so mileage will vary as always.
thousandyardstare 3 points 17 days ago
Personally, I think it's better than the Samsung Galaxy Ultra series because, on those phones, the camera island goes down the phone, not across it, making magnetic accessories cumbersome to fit on at times.
The Motorola also looks like it doesn't have a camera island, just protruding cameras. I can't be sure though.
Axolotl_cpp 2 points 17 days ago
It's 4, one is the flashlight
hexagonwin 2 points 17 days ago
theres the front cam
Axolotl_cpp 2 points 17 days ago
Oh right, i forgot about that one
InnerScientist 1 point 16 days ago
Sure, you can also just do that now.
gandalf_der_13te 1 point 17 days ago
eh, i've seen worse phone designs
Longmactoppedup 34 points 18 days ago
No card slot... Booooo !
JustEnoughDucks 3 points 17 days ago
I have had a sandisk microSD in my last 2 phones for 7 years in total and my girlfriend has had hers for 8.
Absolutely no problems with the SD cards (besides Spotify being a piece of shit app)
Longmactoppedup 1 point 17 days ago
That hasn't been my experience in the past with android at all. I have missed having that extra storage the past few years of owning a pixel. That said I made my choice to buy a pixel for graphene and I stand by that choice.
Longmactoppedup 6 points 17 days ago
Apparently not. Only been using it for 3 years.
If I only keep unimportant stuff on the sd card, can you explain what the problem is?
JustEnoughDucks 5 points 17 days ago
Apparently it is to use cloud services 😉 pixel phone storage was incredibly small. At least this phone has up to 512GB internal storage allegedly. For a ridicous price I assume.
JustEnoughDucks 7 points 17 days ago
What? What are you talking about?
Expandable storage is for photos, videos, music, books, etc... not for "important data." Pixels made their storage tiny specifically to push users to use Google Drive, Google Photos (pushing the "clean your device" store everything in the cloud BS), YouTube Music, etc...
A vast majority of people also use their phone as an MP3 player and camera and apps, not just a chat device. My music library is not crazy and would not fit on a pixel together with my photos/videos, for example.
Martineski 6 points 17 days ago
You sound like you want a dumb phone instead of a smartphone...
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gandalf_der_13te 4 points 17 days ago
i mean you can just pull them out and read all data on them, so obviously yes
i mean you could technically use an encrypted file system on them ... but that's probably not compatible with the vast majority of card-reader programs out there so people are gonna complain next that you can't look at your SD card photos from a desktop computer ...
Longmactoppedup 1 point 17 days ago
Granted, I would only keep a large collection of music on such a card. Wouldn't care if someone removed the card and went through that.
However, would the security issue be that some one could put something malicious on a card and insert it ?
gandalf_der_13te 3 points 17 days ago
200 MP is craaazy high (as a layman). that's like, 10k × 20k screen resolution, right?
also i'm torn about SD cards. they sound good but also are a security hazard. anybody can pull them out and read them, right? for a portable device, i really doubt that that's good-enough.
JustEnoughDucks 5 points 17 days ago
Nope, you can encrypt them. It is a default android option.
db_null 8 points 17 days ago
If Graphene would run on the iPhone it would be my first choice. But my privacy is more important than sexy hardware. It would have the added benefit of blending in, law enforcement is already targeting Pixel phones. That wouldn't be practical with iPhone.
Still no SD cards though.. but not even the Pixel does that
gandalf_der_13te 8 points 17 days ago
this just means that it will be expensiveee
BeerStainedBunny 27 points 18 days ago
Over $1000 but no headphone jack?? It's such a basic request for a privacy based phone
Nerdulous 29 points 18 days ago
It's not a privacy based phone. It's a phone they're hoping to sell to mass market consumers that so happens to be about to run a privacy based OS.
You are not the target audience and will continue to not be unless people like you become the dominant consumer of such a device. The problem is the people who enjoy this community, by and large, own a pixel 3 and won't purchase anything unless it's got every feature they want.
Even more unfortunately is those features only end up on cheap phones because manufacturers correlated them with poor people. Need a headphone jack? Must be too poor to afford Bluetooth headphones. Need an sd card slot? Must be too poor to afford a cloud subscription or bigger phone. Need a removable battery or to repair your device? You obviously can't afford to buy a new phone every 2 years.
The bottom line is you are all too sensible to spend the money and influence design decisions so this is what you get.
gandalf_der_13te 3 points 17 days ago
how many people really care about their privacy? even if it's 0.1% of population, that immediately gives 700k customers in EU and USA alone.
UnrepententProcrastinator 2 points 17 days ago
Not a big market
DupaCycki 25 points 18 days ago
I know they already said to expect flagships, but it's still very disappointing to me.
Personally, I'm just never going to buy a phone with something like the 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6, a flagship among flagships.
What are you supposed to do with a beast like that? It's just a lot of money wasted, because nothing you'll ever use a smartphone for requires even 50% of that performance.
I hope some cheaper, weaker options will be supported by Graphene too.
noxypaws 7 points 18 days ago
GOS stock camera is abysmal.
it truly, seriously is. I bit the bullet and got Google's camera app which sadly works much better. I just block it from having any network permissions but even then it feels really sketchy. but I'm not going back to the GrapheneOS camera, it's just so fucking miserable.
GloriousGasHole 6 points 18 days ago
The contactless payments would be a huge step. If Linux phones could get the actual phone functionality working on most models, that would be nice too. I desperately want what we were promised with Ubuntu Phone like 15 years ago. A functional phone with convergence would be fantastic.
gandalf_der_13te 3 points 17 days ago
i'm getting the feeling that it's all an elaborate plan by the CIA to make sure that only rich people can afford privacy ... after all, the poor people are at a higher risk to commit crimes, right? (/s)
AwesomeLowlander 3 points 18 days ago
Better? Isn't this already a premium phone? Idk much about phones.
hexagonwin 14 points 18 days ago
not the person you replied to, but i assume things like headphone jack, sdcard support, no insane camera bump, repairable design, saner price
in addition i wish for stuff like smaller size, LCD instead of AMOLED, no pinchhole/notch. yeah ik that's impossible these days..
gandalf_der_13te 0 points 17 days ago
for me personally, repairability is a negative on portable computers.
the reasons are security, size, cost, regular lifetime. these are all negatively correlated to repairability. if you can screw your device open, that means that so can an attacker. it makes the phone bulkier and less efficient IMO if they have to keep in mind that every connector on the inside has to be standards-compatible.
JustEnoughDucks 1 point 17 days ago
Do you think an attacker that would physically access your phone to physically probe internal debug pads would not own a heat gun or care if the screen gets damaged during disassembly? 😂 it is quite trivial to open.
They aren't giving the phone back. If it is such a targeted attack that the attacker is willing to open the phone at all, they will just fully disassemble it, it doesn't matter if it is repairable or not
It is bulkier, true, and harder to waterproof, but those are essentially the only 2 downsides.
Security shouldn't even be a consideration unless you are in the 0.00000001% of people doing professional spy or espionage work (or a target of them) that someone would be willing to go through the very elaborate operation of disassembling a phone to exploit firmware bugs to insert malware in order to put it back together into a compromised surveillance device and then slip it back into a location where you would just think you forgot to take it. In that case you should be using burner phones anyways, provided by the employer with a security team behind them.
hexagonwin 1 point 17 days ago
my daily driver is a 2013 lg g2. it's compact than most (any?) other phones on the current market, it can be opened and repaired with a single philips head screw driver..
AndyMFK 5 points 17 days ago
My major issues with it is that it's the first phone to officially support Graphene, so you'd think it would cater to a different demographic.
Yet there's no headphone jack, no SD card support. And it's WAY too big. It's just another boring modern phone that is selling itself on being unnecessarily powerful.
AwesomeLowlander 4 points 17 days ago
Though the problem is... If this flops, will there be a 2nd phone that supports gos?
Tehdastehdas 1 point 17 days ago
My phone was unnecessarily powerful for me until /e/OS added local offline speech transcription.
observantTrapezium 18 points 18 days ago
Happy to hear it's coming, hoping midrange phones are next.
DeadEndLink 16 points 18 days ago
Aren't these things $1400 or some crazy price?
GloriousGasHole 9 points 18 days ago
From what I have seen, the last Motorola Signature was €999 (~$1,136 USD or $1,606 CAD). So not a cheap device at all.
Source: https://www.cnet.com/...
Solrac 13 points 18 days ago
- Not Linux
- No headphone Jack
- No SDCard
- might as well be a spider in the back
- most likely not user serviceable
- Corpo-ahh looking device
- possibly inaccessibly priced
- FEELS like undesirable government officials will be the ones to get these devices
Nothing to see here. Just a bunch of noise.
Only good thing is, graphene no longer locked to google devices.
timbuck2themoon 17 points 18 days ago
I think theyre making that point based off the community it was posted in.
Martineski 16 points 18 days ago
So you agree that the post very clearly doesn't fit this community at all. lol
leftascenter 2 points 17 days ago
So spam
absGeekNZ 12 points 17 days ago
This is awesome; first non-google phone supported. It us a bit on the expensive side for me, but a good step in the right direction.
Hopefully they will be able to get Motorola/Qualcomm to have the required security features on a lower end SoC and hence phone.
Trilogy3452 8 points 18 days ago
It won't come with it
Trilogy3452 2 points 17 days ago
I read somewhere that they're not planning on selling it with GOS, you'd still need to install it yourself
lambalicious 8 points 17 days ago
over $1k
Golly! Look at that Epstein Class price tag! And not even an audio jack to show for it! Who knows what else it's lacking.
rockintrees 7 points 17 days ago
Hyperbolic much? $1k is a lot sure. But comparing a $1k phone to a bunch of billionaire pedos is laughable. Also you can buy previous Pixels that support Graphene.
lambalicious -8 points 17 days ago
It's not hyperbole at all. The Trump Phone (the literal Epstein Class phone) is 32% cheaper than the new Moto.
lambalicious 0 points 16 days ago
It's about the branding for the sheeple, not about the high-profile users. We all know those are being serviced by military or corporate degree hardware thanks to their connections.
diaphragmwp 5 points 17 days ago
epstein class phone
OsrsNeedsF2P 10 points 17 days ago
RAM prices have made it impossible for mid range phones to get the same profit margins they had before. Get a 2nd hand Pixel before they go up even more
lambalicious 2 points 16 days ago
It's a whole class of its own in terms of price tag. One could call it, an Epstein Class price tag since even the Trump Phone is cheaper.
gandalf_der_13te 5 points 17 days ago
oh boy, i'm soo looking forward to a phone that runs any android version except the google-infested default android.
while also not breaking 1000 compatibilities to specific functionalities. or having gross security vulnerabilities.
ExtraJudgement 2 points 17 days ago
That already exists? Install GrapheneOS on any recent Pixel Phone.
The only thing I'm aware of in years of using it are Apps requiring full Play Integrity, because Google quite deliberate chooses not to allow this for GrapheneOS, despite all requirements being met. I'm not convinced they'll make an exception for a competitor's phone running the same.
SoloPhoenyx 4 points 18 days ago
So, is GOS, like purposely saying "fuck the poors?" Why spend resources getting flagships when they need to focus on budget phones. Unless they dont give a shit about expanding privacy phones to everyday people.
Railcar8095 16 points 18 days ago
AFAIK they have very strict hardware requirements, so budget phones might not make it. Even the pixel 11 is not confirmed to have support due to some missing features https://cybernews.com/...
Other roms and even forks of gos support more budget ones.
JustEnoughDucks 13 points 18 days ago
Lol they are working directly with the company.
They just need to add a 2€ TPM chip and the rest is mostly software/firmware work.
Pixel is breaking the support on purpose, graphene had a chance to bring that to budget phones, but likely got strong-armed by Lenovo saying "only for a flagship or no deal" or something.
AMoistGrandpa 14 points 18 days ago
As far as I know, the problem is that Lenovo doesn't make the SOCs that actually implement the security features GrapheneOS requires; Qualcomm does (assuming this phone uses a Snapdragon chip - I didn't check). And Qualcomm only puts these security features into the most powerful SOCs, which are themselves only appropriate for flagship phones.
I hope that some day more budget SOCs will get these security features too so that more people can reap the benefits, and I hope Graphene is pushing for this too, but I don't think we'll see it any time soon.
That being said, I'm just happy Graphene has any partnership at all. One step at a time; once these phones are done they can focus on expanding their offerings more.
gandalf_der_13te 3 points 17 days ago
As far as I know, the problem is that Lenovo doesn’t make the SOCs that actually implement the security features GrapheneOS requires; Qualcomm does (assuming this phone uses a Snapdragon chip - I didn’t check). And Qualcomm only puts these security features into the most powerful SOCs, which are themselves only appropriate for flagship phones.
I hope that some day more budget SOCs will get these security features too so that more people can reap the benefits, and I hope Graphene is pushing for this too, but I don’t think we’ll see it any time soon.
the CIA is behind it. they don't want the masses (= poors) to be able to talk privately and maybe organize a significant political change or sth. it's all about keeping the possibility for mass-surveillance open.
technically, it would be trivial to add a TPM chip to every SoC. that would literally cost less than $10 per chip; maybe they wouldn't have to add a chip at all but could do it all in firmware already, depending on how the exact boot mechanism works. there is clearly no technical reason for not doing it; the reason why SoC makers don't add it has to be because of ideological decisions.
roundabout 1 point 17 days ago
It would be interesting if it gets Droidian.
DeadEndLink 0 points 17 days ago
I should be able to afford an after market signature 27 in 2035....assuming I haven't been thrown in a eugenics camp by then.
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Does anyone know if it has a headphone jack? It seems dumb to brag about having B&O work on the audio if not, but I am still thinking it won't which will kill any interest in it.
Edit: I confirmed it does not have one. total junk
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