Fury as Meta accused of kneecapping nationwide No Kings rallies: 'We demand answers'
10 hours ago by vegeta to c/politics
after years of saying this, i gave up. people have integrated facebook into their lives to the degree that saying "delete facebook" is pretty much the same as saying "cut your own balls off." they won't do it, no matter if they even acknowledge facebook sucks and is a waste of time. that's rare, though. usually it's "i can't leave facebook, i would lose contact with everyone!" same shit with twitter, instagram, ticktock, snapchat--all that bullshit
For me, gradually gathering other contacts methods for my close friends and family. And then eventually permanently delete Facebook -- no need for data or whatever, it was mostly garbage anyways.
Same process with changing email providers.
The reality is you only lose contact with people who don't matter enough anymore. When I left around 15 years ago I reached out to those I wanted to keep in touch with and made sure I had their number. Anyone else if they looked hard enough could find me elsewhere if they wanted, or already had means to contact me directly. Most did not.
But guess what? My relationships with people are deeper. It's been wildly positive for me. The only issue I had at the time was missing out on events from acquaintances, but that's not an issue anymore with alternative apps
You will be locked out of your local community without Facebook. I’ve been off it for over a decade but needed to get rid of a couch without paying $150 to do it and Facebook was 10 minutes and it’s gone. But a couch is one thing. Anything local requires Facebook.
what's the $150 to get rid of a couch for? just drive it to the landfill
or call salvation army/goodwill/habitat for humanity-- they'll come get whatever
It's the same way everyone talks about how dating apps suck and it's ruined dating, etc. But what is the real alternative?
I get what you're saying, and to a certain extent you are correct, but where do you go to meet people when all the people you might meet are sitting at home swiping their phone screen?
It’s the same way everyone talks about how dating apps suck and it’s ruined dating, etc. But what is the real alternative?
dating apps are different in that you're specifically using it to get a date, instead of trying to make your life look more fun/happy/glamorous than that of your "friends". once you meet someone and start a relationship, the app served its purpose and (in theory) you stop using it. i've never used a dating app, but i can see the value in them for people who are looking for specific less-than-common traits in a partner-- if you're asexual (for example) and looking for someone who's the same, then an app might be the only way you can find that someone. the alternative is go out looking on your own every day until you happen across whatever specific thing you're looking for by chance, which may never happen.
I married a very nice girl last month. We met at work 5 years ago.
We need to figure out how to rebuild social relations without the Internet. Otherwise the billionaire class will control access to the opposite gender. For the sake of humanity, go be nice to a stranger.
I remember when the backlash to Xitter was pretty high, culturally. I asked why our company was still using Xitter.
Crickets. And even after he gave the Nazi salute, still no change.
The answer is - "that's where everyone is". They aren't wrong. The network effect sucks.
Meh. “That’s where everyone is” it’s more like that’s where all the bots and algorithmic gatekeeping are. I get way more engagement on mastodon than I ever did on twitter post-2012 algorithm shakeup. Before the algorithmic censorship, I got lots of engagement on twitter. But that twitter hasn’t existed for a long time. When I got on mastodon it was like oh. The algorithm is the entire problem. No wonder OWS and the Arab spring were so big. No wonder the algorithms came after them.
'We demand answers'???? Are you joking???
Zuckerberg is practically glued to trump side like a fashion accessory.
‘We demand answers’
Zuckerberg replied: "Dumb fucks".
Well, technically that is an answer.
So we're good now right?
Well, you don’t always get to choose, for me it’s among other things, my municipality and sports club posting updates and info exclusively on meta platforms. I complained, believe me, but it dalls on deaf ears.
As Geddy once put it.
Even if you choose not to decide. You still have made a choice.
Though believe me when I say I understand you. But we always have a choice. Even if you have to stick with toxic shit like that in the short-term. And if you're not super techy. Or have the most free time available to focus on something like that yourself. We all can do more than just shout and tell people to move. I say this to myself as well.
When it comes to activities and movements like this. Ones that don't favor the oligarchs. Centralized platforms are a liability. But they are also unfortunately the best developed. Telling people to move to alternatives. A lot of times means leaving behind Comforts or things they have come to rely on. Which just adds more friction to the friction that already exists over switching. Maybe the community doesn't exist. Maybe it exists but no one post it. Maybe there's no one moderating it.
I'm looking at trying to post more frequently to local communities that are neglected on the feddi. Possibly even taking over administration of them. Point is we can always choose. And there's always a little more we can do regardless of our level of skill. Basically, I guess it's a situation of we need to be the change we want to see.
Zuck full on cuckmode
You would think, but I still see that little 'f' at the bottom of soooo many webpages.
They're not the only ones.
Reddit stole the r/NoKings subreddit and has locked it out. They claim it's up for adoption as of 5-months-ago but will of course never cede it to the organizers of No King's.
ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN etc., have barely mentioned it, and it doesn't remotely come up in Google News save for a sparse few pages of local news stories.
The only good news from representing my area is that while the protest was half the size of past ones, general support from people on the road was much higher with much less dissent.
Yanis Varoufakis is right, we are heading into technofeudalism.
There were protests all over my city yesterday and I can find barely any coverage. I even looked at Reddit, which was flooded with No Kings pictures back in March, and there was barely anything for the events yesterday. Definitely sus as hell.
This is why protest has to be disruptive. A bunch of people holding funny signs in a park on a Saturday afternoon doesn't have an impact.
It connects people with like minded people who also decided to show up so from a networking and community building perspective it's not worthless. Lots of people meet the contacts that will later recruit them to knock on doors or phone bank or run for office in the future who would never show up to a town meeting or city council meeting.
Can absolutely confirm. I'm not American so I get most of my news through, well, the news and while I've seen people alluding to the protests I'm only getting a fraction of a fraction of the information I was getting in March.
I love this image from San Francisco:
This is the first I'm hearing about it. There was a NoKings protest yesterday?
It blows me away when I meet leftist activists who refuse to stop using corporate social media. The common refrain is "its where everyone is" or "no one uses [insert any decentralized and federated service]".
You cannot liberate yourself, or the rest of society, when you actively use the tools of your oppressors.
Newsflash: everyone will be there if you move, and bring along one friend, who brings along one friend
Look, I agree for the most part. Fuck FB and X and all the rest to hell. But organizers know that you need the most people you can get to have a chance of making a difference. That means you use every tool available for outreach. I've seen protests organized entirely on non-corporate platforms and they are... Small. You don't see those in the news and people driving by generally ignore them. If you can get the hype going through tiktok or facebook or whatever and get hundreds of people on board you can bring attention and make a difference. Now something I've seen done is using them to pull more people and then moving those people to decentralized options.
Then funnel them onto the fediverse from corporate social media, as you mentioned. The house is on fire, get them out of it.
Educate people (campaigns), organize tech workshops showing people how to use the other tools, set up local servers that can be used for organizing existing groups. Frame corporate social media as part of the data center problem... There's so many ways to approach it but as long as you keep using those tools, you will never carry through with getting people onto the fediverse. You can never just move them to decentralized spaces if not enough people use it, so use it (I know you are already though as we're here :)
Change is hard. But global climate collapse and WW3 are far worse options.
Oh random election rules that changed all at once?
It's like 2024 again. This is part of the reason so many of us are here on Lemmy or BlueSky or whatever, we need to figure out alternative means of discussion.
Meta is a national security threat.
Oligarchs are a global security threat and must be met with extreme prejudice.
They are the new colonizers. We are the new colonists from which labor and wealth are now extracted through organized deceit, coercion, and sooner or later, force.
This is the very least shocking thing about Tech Bros. I remember laughing right in the face of someone that told me they had to be on Parler because "Big Tech" was so liberal that they kept canceling conservatives and shadow banning them, etc.
I asked what kinds of "conservative" things they were posting on "Big Tech" that supposedly resulted in that?
I would have thought the answers would be self-evident.
Meta/Facebook has literally had political dissidents killed in other countries. Do not think they will hesitate to do the same in their own. Specifically, they gave up GPS/location information on dissidents trying to work together against the government. They were killed. Facebook knew exactly what would happen to them and could have told the dictator to pound sand, but then they might not be allowed to operate there.
Don't use popular social media like Facebook, X, Reddit, or Discord for any kind of protest. They will always bend the knee to the 'kings' you're protesting against. Every fucken time.
This is pretty awesome. It will force people to use platforms that are ACTUALLY secure, like Signal.
Meta, in conjunction with the US government, is going to make it harder to surveil protesters. How elegant!
Brazil should ban everything Meta.
Meta platforms has 4 billion active users worldwide. That is an insane amount of power in the hands of one person.
4 billion accounts. The active ones aren't 100% of those accounts. And of that %, many are bots. A real statistic would be Meta's end.
Fuck whoever, or whatever posted this comment. Fuck off and die. Account blocked, obviously.
Ohh fresh scammer to report!
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