Sounds silly, but I'm guessing they don't want the dip in usage on some reports they have to show to stakeholders, and can instead write it off as server issues.
I meant the comment I replied to sounded silly, I was more explaining why it wasn't silly after all.
Reddit SysAdmin can protest too, no?
Not legally by sabotaging the infrastructure they are supposed to run, I expect.
But accidents happen, of course...
u/Spez will just put the blame on Christian again (Apollo's dev).
But on a little more serious note, I doubt this is on purpose. This would look really bad for the credibility of the platform, there is a LOT of users that just want to keep doomscrolling Reddit and in all honesty don't give a spez(fuck) about what's going on with the protests.
But... if this is on purpose...
Strange decision to say the least.
I know and agree with you on that.
But for the majority of the userbase, one thing is to have some of their favorite subreddits joining a protest, the other is having their whole experience affected.
u/Spez will just put the blame on Christian again (Apollo’s dev).
100%.. "malicious code in a 3rd party app led effectively to a DDOS attack on reddit.. this is why we must close the API to only allow select approved apps"
It just makes the blackout look more successful honestly. Pretty dumb of them but they haven't been making great decisions lately.
I don't know. My best bet is that it's a happy coincidence for them. It's probably just an actual accidental outage, but it can be spun in a few different ways. Given their push for an IPO, I wouldn't be surprised if this is an excuse for lower traffic numbers. "Hey, look, these guys all went to protest but there was an outage. Nothing correlates the numbers. Now that we're back up on XYZ date, everything is returning to normal! It was no big deal!"
If it actually turns out to be something more nefarious, I can't say I'd be surprised, but I sincerely hope that isn't the case.
Given their push for an IPO, I wouldn't be surprised if this is an excuse for lower traffic numbers. "Hey, look, these guys all went to protest but there was an outage. Nothing correlates the numbers. Now that we're back up on XYZ date, everything is returning to normal! It was no big deal!"
Boy, sure would be nice to live in a world where investors weren't dumber than flat earthers.
there may be some unfortunate overlap in those populations, you don’t have to be smart to make money
My money is on a DDoS attack. DDoS attacks are 100% going to happen after what Spez pulled.
My wife and I were talking about this 2 days ago. She was betting money that we’d see DDoS attacks early Monday.
that would be disgusting, but i would not be surprised at this point :/
Well a 5xx response wont get delisted from Google as fast as a 403, so there's that possibility.
If you hit a private sub you still get a 200 😉
Figures, not checking today... 😉
I'm 99% sure those are automated, so it really doesn't say anything.
I would guess the latter. They're trying to roll out the new pricing tier at the start of next month, so pushing a change about 2 weeks ahead of that seems reasonable.
But I guess we'll see. I doesn't impact me anymore. ;)
Doubt it
https://www.redditstatus.com/history
The other messages are not the same and an automated response would be posted faster.
Interesting, hopefully that's the case instead of something more... stupid from Reddit. I sincerely hope this is just the community protesting in some way.
Probably better than average.
I suspect it's something related to point in time backups or changes to the api to make it easier to put everything back with new mods.
"Ok guys, if we take the site down they can't have a blackout: It's brilliant!"
-Spez probably
We did it, reddit!
...wait, fuck. Lemmy!
We're more reddit than reddit
Reddit 2.0
Lemmy for president!!
Who the fuck is Lemmy?
They're likely changing the mod structure during the blackout. A lot of low-paid, repurposed bangladeshi click-farm mods coming in.
Reddit? Paying mods? As if.
They've gone 15 years not paying mods for their work. They're not about to start now, especially if they're concerned about costs.
u/Spez-autoGPT joined to the thread.
Not paying mods gave them an out to not be a publisher.
If your company is the one doing the moderation, then you become responsible for what is on your website, and that means spez would have to get rid of the Nazis :(.
That would not surprise me in the least.
Id bet their brand new API has a few horrible bugs or the system charging accounts is too slow for the real world.
Big brain move
Always hated that image on the error page. Blaming the user when they are the ones that fucked up. Server errors are never the users fault
Good job my fellow migrating redditor!
Thanks for doing that, o7
I've used rif and old.reddit respectively for so long that I really had no idea how much of a shitshow the ui had turned in too until I checked it out through the official app and new layout style in browser.
No fucking thank you, take your glitter shit and constant ad pushing and jump off a cliff.
The first ad that popped was a promoted post for machine gun kelly. I listen to grindcore, crossover, metal, etc.. That sealed its fate in my eyes.
for years companies have been trying for “targeted ads” but in rare occasions I see ads, they’re terribly off the mark, like you have mentioned
You'd be surprised to hear, how many users are still clueless and don't use an ad blocker.
More than half of the surfers don't use an ad blocker: https://earthweb.com/...
Same here. I've been using old.reddit with RES and apollo for so long that I forgot reddit even had ads until I tried the official app.
Same, RiF + old. FTW TBH, really liking Lemmy ❤️
Yeah. I don't mind ads if I'm getting content for free, but at least know your audience. I feel like especially the hegetsus spam was wildly misplaced on Reddit.
There was some kind of cookie consent popup on old.reddit.com and it said "go to the new reddit to set preferences" or something like that and i clicked it without reading properly and got sent to new reddit.
What a shit website.... I will never use new reddit. Get fucked spez
I think more people use the official app than you might think. I initially thought everyone was in unanimous outrage, but many just don’t care. I don’t understand how some people know about ad-free third party apps and still use the official one.
I used official app only because I had no idea the other apps existed until this month, lol
Convenience. For the average user it's just download from the play store and scroll. I agree that lot of people use the official app but they're used to the ads from other social media apps too probably.
I used both the official and boost. One for just scrolling on and one to read short stories on.
Because I was already using it since it first came out, and honestly the ads weren't/aren't even that big of a deal. I don't even notice them 90% of the time.
To shreds you say?
The Fediverse is too new and decentralized to have its own sayings, so all we have is the memories of our old home. Besides, these sayings remind us of a better era of Reddit where it was just a bunch of techie weirdos asking each other "when does the narwhal bacon" and trying to bait newbies to click on /r/spacedicks. I still remember my first days on Reddit, when I was grounded from the family computer and stole my dad's laptop to browse. Someone linked /r/spacedicks and convinced me that it was the NASA memes subreddit. I clicked on it and was waiting for the page to load on the terribly slow wifi when my dad stormed into the room, furious that his laptop was missing, and proceeded to beat the shit out of me with a set of jumper cables. It hurts so much to see the site I grew up with be destroyed by corporate greed like that, but life goes on.
deddit
Reddit is ded. Not big surprise.
Death of Reddit, long live the federation!
We lemminged it!
Ah, so that's the demonym for Lemmy users.
Some possibilities:
- Some fool thinks it's a good idea to DDoS Reddit today to make a point.
- Some Reddit admin thinks it's a good idea to take it offline deliberately to make a point.
- The general public are hugging it to death out of curiosity about the protest.
- Unrelated outage. Outages happen, sometimes even on the same day as other things.
Using Occam's Razor, I'd bet on the last option.
You'd be right. https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/
Cloudflare is a reverse proxy service, many services are hosted through Cloudflare on other hosting providers such as AWS, Azure, GCP, DO, etc.
Reddit appears to use Fastly, but I could be wrong there. They used to use Cloudflare in combination with the rest of their infra
Or the third.
Or they took it offline to "hide" all the blacked out subreddits. Some had images about the third party apps as their only post, which was on the front page. By going offline it makes it seem like more of a technical issue rather than a protest.
r/conspiracy licking their lips right now.
Slow down there Alex Jones...
Spez seems like the type of scumbag to do just that. Occam's Razor still applies, of course, but I don't think that's crazy out of character for him.
@nodsocket It's a special de-blackoutisation operation through their own blackout.
I’d guess that with so many top subs going dark, the mixing algorithm needs to dig deeper and it’s not tuned for that. These algorithms are hard to get right at Reddit’s scale.
As an example to populate the frontpage or /r/all it might would need to scan all posts from the private subs before even getting a sizeable amount of candidate posts from the public ones to rank. Then the public subs won’t be in cache nor will caching help as much on those long tail subreddits. Not being in cache means more hits to the DB and that’s going to affect nearly all requests to Reddit.
It could be that their infrastructure is set up to optimize showing data on the typically most popular subreddits.
Will save this when there's c/AngryUpvote opens lol
“A significant number of subreddits shifting to private caused some expected stability issues, and we’ve been working on resolving the anticipated issue,” spokesperson Tim Rathschmidt tells The Verge.
So... According to Reddit the blackout is the culprit, I guess?
So either it's just an outage and they're faulting the blackout, or the blackout is actually the culprit. Either way I hope this works. However, I'm still not going back to Reddit even if they fix and reverse everything.
Do not attribute to malice what can easily be explained by idiocy. It is entirely plausible that their algorithm couldn't handle the most popular subreddits going dark all at once. They likely hard-relegated so many other subs that would appear on r/popular or r/all to lower priority and thus when the higher priority subs disappeared, it couldn't change priorities and cause the crash.
I wonder if it's bots or something trying to access the now dark subreddits. Essentially causing a DDOS.
well if i made a bot, hmm, yeah that could cause it lol. Like if i tell it "go in every 30 minutes & steal the top 20 posts", and it's down, i'd just say "retry till u get it, idc if u DoS that shit" and well if many ppl do it, it's a free DDoS courtesy of robotland
if that's what's happening, i feel a sense of fellowship for those ppl who don't give a shit and will ddos a website just to try and steal some memes, truly conoisseurs of 🅱️est 🅱️ractices 😎
When a major sub goes private, that's an awful lot of posts and comments that they have to hide from the rest of the internet. I'm not surprised there's some excess load on their systems with lots of them doing it at once.
I hope the major subs stay dark. The only thing keeping reddit afloat is moderators. Without tools the mods would need full time paid positions which is never going to happen. I'd like to see them all burn. Its become a shit show of adds and bots now anyway. Good riddance. I wish someone would incorporate freenets web of trust system to some type of decentralized app like this.
In a lot of ways we do. If I choose to delete my profile, there goes a ton of posts from one sub.
Under EU GDPL they would have to erase everything upon request if they don't want to get fined into oblivion.
Good to know. If it comes to that I will. Anyone who spends any amount of time adding to a community though is like killing your own creation. I did this for us.
They'd have to find people as enthusiastic. Quality would likely drop.
They'd also need to find a ridiculous amount of people (~28,000 mods according to Reddark?). Or have fewer people be insanely overworked, either way you're right; quality will drop.
I used Redact earlier for an old account, worked great
Strong Bad at his finest
The Telltale series is leaving Steam soon. I don't think there's a delist date, but their license is expiring soon. I bought and gifted three copies already.
Presumably. I looked into it to learn more and I found out the games were pulled from digital storefronts on June 1st. The brothers chaps appear to be remaking the Dangeresque point and click game, so rumors are that the Telltale games may also be headed for a remake.
I think it's ridiculous that it's actually the sub blackout that killed Reddit today. How can this happen?
See TheVerge: "Reddit crashed because of the growing subreddit blackout"
It is showing deleted to me
Makers and consumers. At one point an Admin, I think it was Alexis or Yashan, said straight up like 50% of reddit is porn. That was years ago though, and I'm sure they've done what they could to mitigate that.
🎼 The Internet is for porn 🎶
And "unprofitable" too.
Truly, couldn't have been better if it had been written into something like Silicone Valley. Just too perfect.
“Silicone Valley”? Are we talking about breast implants?
It's not like they were aware that Google/Amazon gives them insights on how to spend less on hosting costs
LMFAOOh the site is like DOWN down
What is this reddit? i only know lemmy ;)
kek idk, i tried to go in to check which of my fave subs were private and it was ded, and i remembered "ah right i was supposed to not go in today" and closed the app. this happened a few times. i use it more as a reminder not to visit.
reminder that most ppl leave in the first 3-5 seconds if a page doesn't load fast enough, ppl have very short attention spans statistically. if it's a "psyop" it's a pretty bad one cuz they will lose a shitton of ad views this way.
lmao
"they ate cyanide and threw their servers into a river, how's that an ad campaign?"
"they wish their spirits to live on to be rich in the afterlife! people will consider them heroes and their families will be the wealthiest in the world! in fact, it was probably their family who made them do this, and also they're probably not dead but in argentina running the Reddit Foundation to grab some condescention points to live well without paying taxes!"
It's back up again... DANG!
Edit: And DOWN again lmao
i like how they said that the outage anticipated and expected yet, they didn't prevent it only to try to fix it once it happened. totally healthy company behavior 👌
Can I just say, I'm so happy that everybody banded together against them. Like a bunch of strangers on the internet grouping together to tell them, "No, you will not"
me too man, me too. such a warming feeling. fuck spez. I think it's amazing we're all coming together against this
I look forward to what else the community and developers will do while saying "no"
Honestly, lemmy is not bad, taking a little getting used to but there's so many communities being created I wouldn't be surprised if see a large migration over the next few months. It seems quite a few people have already made up their minds
I hope all the skids and the power hungry mods with agendas stay on Reddit, while all the normal people migrate over here. Wishful thinking...
Yeah, a lot of people to seem very open minded about Lemmy. I really hope it sticks through because I absolutely love the redditor community in general. A lot of like-minded techies, that are also in my generation (I'm a early millennial that grew up with late millennials) so a lot of interests and humor are shared :) I definitely agree with it needing to take a little getting used to, I hope more people share that mentality and give it a very fair chance
seems unlikely (to me) that this would be intentional from reddit's side. You'd think they would be VERY interested to see how this really impacts site traffic and how much "protest" they can absorb before taking administrative action against mods/subreddits.
That's plausible. But while reddit may be that dumb, investors sure aren't.
Was curious what was happening, was using libreddit and figured they were just being bogged down, but my mobile app doesn't work either. Also anyone know why the upvotes on this post are fluctuating between <10, ~20, 150, 400, etc.? Are they upvote numbers for different instances?
It's fluctuating for me too.
They could also be having to check lots of people against the lists of who is allowed in what private subs. Which could in turn cause problems if the code there assumes that usually people are allowed in the private subs they visit and relies on that to be fast.
Not sure that there were any private subs with tens of millions of disallowed subscribers before this morning.
That'd be an interesting twist.
https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/
I posted somewhere that it's taken down Kbin and Hacker News too.
Hackernews is back up and has a thread with more context (speculation?) On the reddit outage: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36294244. Cloudflare having issues is pretty interesting though.
I have to admit, among the set of [reddit, Lemmy], I did not predict that the one expecting the more serious availability issues today would be reddit.
In that case, this is one wild coincidence. Because the same time Reddit goes down, HN goes down, Kbin goes down and so does Cloudflare?
That's amazing. I think you might be right, some HN folk are adamant that HN also doesn't use cloudflare.
Check at 6:00am PCT and All page was mostly whitepopletwitter and gaming. It in no way looked like your typical day of popular /all on the home page.
They can have it. Make it thrive in the same way all the other conservative-based social medias have thrived.
Eat shit Pez.
Looks like i'm watching a shit ton of youtube today instead of spending my work day on reddit. any good channel recs?
Hang out here? Hopefully we can get this place going...
But also "The Tim Traveller" is a good binge for Tom Scott-esque videos
I am. I just signed up and am trying to get the subs going.
I heard the "aah" reading your comment 😅
Technology connections!
Townsends! I got introduced to that channel when Joe Perra appeared on it. Didn't think 1700s homesteading would be interesting, but that team does a good job.
Omg my husband and I love this channel! We've even tried some of the recipes.
This is one of the things I've always hated about Reddit.
No, Reddit, this isn't my fault. You broke because you're a shitty website held together by chewing gum and prayers. It isn't cute when you blame users for your own shortcomings. You've been like this since the beginning and it hasn't gotten better. Fuck off.
Oh no
Anyway
Okay my theory:
Idk about other countries but here Reddit is pretty much the only big social media platform that isn‘t overrun by normies and boomers. So people from my country using reddit are either relatively young people that are somewhat chronically online or people or techies.
Now the reddit blackout generated a lot of attention and all the normies and boomers are like „wtf is a reddit“ and go to check it out. So that just ddos‘d reddit.
I have zero evidence for my theory but I really like it.
Reddit probably be like "we had sooooo many users these days that our servers went out. But we cannot provide any numbers, we lost all the server data"
But do we know why it was down? If it was something like a ddos (or claimed to be) this could be used to vilify the protestors.
Our usage stats show that we have record low numbers of people using the site and at the same time we have too many people using the site.
If they are being completely honest, my guess is that the page that loads when a sub is private comes from a server that doesn’t typically get much load.
Then everything went private and suddenly that server was hugged to death.
This makes sense to me. I only came over to Lemmy because of the reddit API drama, and I'm pretty impressed with it so far! I'd love for it to grow, so I hope this is a death knell or sign of things to come for Reddit.
I mean, if I was a reddit infra engineer (and this is a long shot because I'm not), I would definitely use the "blackout day(s)" for some heavy maintenance or experiments that normally are too scary to do on a high loaded live server.
(edit: spelling)
how long was it? i heard about it earlier but when i checked it worked fine
About an hour.
Subreddit mods win. Fatality.
Its been having issues for days. I discovered as much while deleting all my old post and comments.
According to redditstatus.com: “Website failing to load. Identified - We're aware of problems loading content and are working to resolve the issues as quickly as possible.”
Aah, the ol' 'you are not firing me, I quit!'
Maybe related to dynamic scaling on their servers? Not sure how typical a large drop-off in traffic is to a site as big as reddit.
Could have been too aggressive in auto-scaling down?
Yeah there could be some large fluctuations up and down. Not my area of expertise though.
Cloudflare is down https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/
Must have ran out money. Oh well.
I wonder if Reddit have done this to get themself some more free publicity (to appeal to the sympathetic person reading it in the news to try and make it feel more important a platform than it is)?
It loaded for me after being down for a bit. My list of subscriptions is dramatically shorter and the 'front page' content is dull to say the least. If this is what it looks like in July, its going to be very easy to kick the habit.
Pretty sure it’s a Cloudflare issue.
Hey! This post is not specifically related to the lemmy.world instance. From now on, posts such as these will be removed, in order for the community to stay on topic. However, as this is a highly upvoted post, I'll just lock it for now.
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Chances Reddit did this on purpose to hide the content blackout?
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