I've experienced this, though I aquired it the old school way; from welding.
Mine was luckily a minor case and went away in a day. Quite literally feels like you have sand in your eyes. Moved from safety squints to welding mask after that.
I've experienced this, though I aquired it the old school way; from welding.
Mine was luckily a minor case and went away in a day. Quite literally feels like you have sand in your eyes. Moved from safety squints to welding mask after that.
When I took welding shop class in high school, our shop teacher literally called it "sand eye" when he explained why wearing a welding mask was not optional in his shop or in general while welding. Sure enough, there was that one kid who thought he could get by with his squints while teach wasn't looking... He was out for days with sand eye and had quite the cautionary tale to share when he returned. Everyone got downright religious about the welding masks after that.
Thank you for saying this, it's what I was coming here to do.
I was laughing, until I read the article. It's fucking horrifying. Schadenfreude should be proportional.
NFT morons losing their money? Hilarious.
Losing their eyesight? Not funny. Not proportional. Just horrific.
Now, if the Nazi fetishizing scam artist asshats that run Bored Ape were blinded by the light at their own convention? That, in my view, would be proportional Schadenfreude.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photokeratitis
Healing is usually rapid (24–72 hours) if the injury source is removed.
So... it's unlikely to be permanent blindness, just temporary eye pain. I feel pretty OK at laughing at them for that.
They used UV sterilization bulbs as lighting for a convention. It does not sound like a quick flash of an ARC or TIG welder.
There is also a broad range of medium to long term effects that aren't just temporary inconvenience, and permanent blindness.
But yeah man, you do you. My comment was simply my own perspective. I'm not here to moralize about what you should, or shouldn't feel.
nazi fetishizing?
not doubting you, but.. go on..
You can do your own searches if you want a surface level dive into it, or you can dive all the way in with Philion's excellent video on the topic.
Something can be both sad and funny.
Like it really sucks for the victims but it's also darkly hilarious that every single time these libertariany scammy I'm smarter than everyone types do a thing they get an abject lesson in why communities have like safety rules and "red tape".
Karma's a bitch with a sense of humour
Shit hurts. It feels like you have sand in your eye. For days.
You'd think they were already blind with all a crappy art they are shilling for
As a former welder, I've had arc-eye and it's really unpleasant - like someone put sand in my eyes and I couldn't get it out.
However, it heals pretty quickly, so I'm gonna carry on thinking this is pretty funny.
Yeah, they were. However, getting grinding sparks in your eye and letting them sit there for 24 hours because you thought it was just a bit of arc eye is a little more permanent, and you get told off by the nurse at the eye hospital while she's picking rust off your eyeball.
Infrared light of welding can permanently damage the retina, UV the lens.
"All 5 attendees were treated on scene. Paramedics were originally very concerned about brain damage but were relieved when they saw the name of the event. 'Can't fry an egg that's not there,' stated one."
This was referring to a different event at a different venue. While it seems likely that they made the same mistake, it's best we wait for more info before jumping to conclusions.
Similar symptoms, which include sunburn and waking up to severe, burning eye pain, were reported in 2017 by partygoers who attended a Hypebeast event at The Landmark commercial complex also in Hong Kong, with the event’s DJ later discovering lighting used mainly for disinfection purposes had been installed at the venue. The Landmark venue did not feature on the ApeFest event plan, and the two incidents appear unrelated.
You'll never see another germ!
Read the full paragraph:
Similar symptoms, which include sunburn and waking up to severe, burning eye pain, were reported in 2017 by partygoers who attended a Hypebeast event at The Landmark commercial complex also in Hong Kong, with the event’s DJ later discovering lighting used mainly for disinfection purposes had been installed at the venue. The Landmark venue did not feature on the ApeFest event plan, and the two incidents appear unrelated.
Yuga Labs says it’s currently investigating reports of impeded vision and skin/eye injuries believed to be caused by unprotected exposure to UV lights during ApeFest 2023.
Jesus Christ.
Anyway, I'm... Actually somewhat impressed they're still having Monkey PNG meetups. I kind of assumed every NFT was a scam but this one is just a very expensive buy-in to a cryptonerd club, I guess.
Eh, the relationship isn't quite the same as that one.
It's more like the relationship between a video game framework and a video game. Pygame, Unity, or Godot are not games you can play; they're tools for programmers to build games with.
Similarly, blockchain is a technology for implementing scams; NFTs are one specific scam.
It's all the same to the cryptobros
I kind of assumed every NFT was a scam
This one hasn't yet proven that it isn't, just that the people who bought in had a lot of disposable income to begin with.
NFTs have a number of interesting legitimate use cases. Jpeg pump-and-dumps are, however, not one of them.
The thing about the jpg ones is that the jpgs can't be stored in the blockchain, so what is actually stored is a URL to some server (and that URL endpoint could be redirected elsewhere, the server could go offline, etc).
The other major use case I see touted is "own your game objects and bring your objects to different games" but 1) why would a company spend resources supporting an object they did not sell you and 2) could this not be handled more simply on e.g. Steam? (yes, locked into a service, but that's just the way the industry is and I don't see why it's worth the time and effort for them to change that)
I do see how potentially a blockchain that stored actual data, e.g. some JSON, could be of more use. However, I struggle to find cases where just a regular database wouldn't be more practical. I guess it would be limited to cases where auditability and visibility of changes are topmost concerns, and where it's important that anyone can have a local backup copy at any time.
If you have some examples of where this technology could be one of the best solutions, I'd love to hear them. The blockchain does fascinate me but I feel like it's often a solution in search of a problem rather than the other way around.
Blockchains can absolutely store a jpeg. There's no data size or format limit on an entry.
They chose not to store it.
Oh, fascinating! I wonder if it's more concerns about the size of the blockchain itself then. I had assumed, clearly incorrectly, that it was a platform limitation itself. This makes the ways NFTs have been implemented even dumber. 🙃
I have an example but it's not necessarily the best and most practical solution, it's just one very good solution to a problem that not everyone experiences, so it's generally shot down as unnecessary.
In countries where buying a car or house involves an asynchronous exchange of money and keys or signing of documents, with all the trust issues involved, having an NFT represent ownership (which requires recognition and acceptance by the state) is a perfect use case, where you transfer ownership and receive payment in one atomic operation.
In countries
In countries... so you're already under the country's legal system, so there's no need for a blockchain. You can just use an ownership database maintained by the country. Blockchain offers nothing at all of value in that situation.
which requires recognition and acceptance by the state
Exactly why blockchain is pointless. Blockchain, if it has any value, is in that it is a distributed ledger that is not subject to any state's laws. That's great if you want to have a monetary system that no country can control, but of course that also means that no country can help you in a dispute over who owns something. In a cryptocurrency / blockchain world, there's no appealing to the state, but also no recognition or acceptance by the state.
Smart contracts are the most obvious. There are a lot of applications. Like jungle said, it's a good fit for ESCROW-type asset exchanges, but also for recurring transactions like royalty payments or dividends.
Your gaming asset example is also a valuable use. While industry inertia is indeed a relevant factor, consider: why would a company spend resources creating an object if it's cheaper to support the framework for customers to supply their own? There's a break-even point where it's more profitable to outsource asset-creation and trim your staff. What's better is the nerds who care about that sorta thing spend a lot on games.
And there are certainly others, cases where transparency is a topmost concern. Gaming seems like a fantastic proving ground for the technology: customers expect excellence, it's a thriving and diverse market, but ultimately, a failure of the technology won't have serious consequences in the grand scheme. If it proves secure in that arena, it might be a useful technology to incorporate into more serious applications.
Regardless of what you think of NFTs, somebody needs to held accountable for this. It could happen at any show or production. Someone clearly chose the Aliexpress special over safety. This is one of those things where fundamental trust in public infrastructure engineering is destroyed.
Right? I don't know anything about Welder's Eye, but I know ultraviolet light is invisible to humans, so I'd imagine that most people present wouldn't notice anything wrong until hours later. Once you know this can happen, you just have to trust that all the places you go aren't putting your health at risk. Insane.
I knew this could happen. Result is that I don't go to events when I think the organizer is grossly incompetent.
Though I'd say that this is completely on brand. Goes and does something without understanding exactly what they are doing, causing damage to others who had even less of an idea of what's going on.
And a chance someone actually knew exactly what they were doing and did it to deliberately fuck over the attendees.
The funniest thing is the embedded tweet in the article that still has a stupid boredape avatar, has the “I simp for elon” blue checkmark, and the classic “[username].eth” username so you know they are really fun at parties while they try to grift their friends and family
Cryptobros are such a strange cult
However you feel about NFTs... this is horrifying for the people who were there. They've been in some cases blinded by this absurd level of incompetence.
They’ve been in some cases blinded by this absurd level of incompetence.
Just as they were to the stupidity of NFTs?
Zing. You made the joke.
It's literally not even that. You don't own that link. There's a notice on a public board that has both the link "This is the property of [yourname]".
NFTs are like those late-night commercials for star naming "registries". They have their own Access database of non-legally-binding names that people have given to stars. You can pay to be on the list and get a paper certificate that no one gives a shit about.
By the way there are (estimates vary) thousands of stars in the observable universe for every grain on earth, just as there are essentially infinite NFTs.
That's not true. At least in the case of BAYC the terms of use even give you a commercial license: iii. Commercial Use. Subject to your continued compliance with these Terms, Yuga Labs LLC grants you an unlimited, worldwide license to use, copy, and display the purchased Art for the purpose of creating derivative works based upon the Art (“Commercial Use”).
How on earth do you accidentally buy medical grade lighting? Like it must have been really expensive and no one at any point that "why are these light bulbs so expensive". Also, why didn't the shipping company think it was weird that a hospitality venue they wanted hundreds and hundreds of medical decontamination lights?
And presumably electricians fitted them and their non-standard design didn't raise any eyebrows?
Literally everyone involved in this story is a massive idiot.
UV-c lights are actually much cheaper than UV black lights as they don't require the phosphor coating required to block the harmful frequencies. On top of that there was a flood of UV-c bulbs onto the market from the pandemic.
What really should have tipped them off that they are using bulbs is that UV-c bulbs emit a more blue color whereas black lights emit a purple color. Or the wierd smell emitting from the ozone coming off the bulbs.
Like it must have been really expensive and no one at any point that "why are these light bulbs so expensive".
We're talking about people who have absurd amounts of money. I know a rich guy and he doesn't even blink at spending $10k+ on some things. It's just inconsequential.
"Says on the box 'may cause skin to peel', these should be good."
Presumably people who bought NFTs. If you're going to trick yourself into thinking your dumb, AI-generated piece of shitty "art" was a worthwhile investment, you might as well enjoy the perks of being in such an exclusive, stupid club.
They weren't even AI generated. Is there a AI generated at least they'd be unique from each other, there were a series of randomly lead images. It wasn't AI that made them, it was basically just a bunch of if statements.
AI generated NFTs would also be pointless because anyone could get them or something very similar by giving the same prompt to an AI but at least they'd have some merit, at least they would be interesting.
basically just a bunch of if statements
ah, totally different from LLMs then...
The "AI" image generators aren't real AI, they're just called that....
the "I" in "AI" is not real intelligence either
an AI*
The enjoyment of going to parties typically relies on the attendees of the party and how much you like or dislike them. This specific party is full of people who bought monkey JPEGs and turned them into their entire personality. So, presumably, I would not like this party.
I dislike NFTs as much as the next person but this is messed up. Even worse that it isn't the first time. And how the heck did they get their hands on germicidal UV lamps without being aware of the difference, and the safety concerns?
Well their corneas are now free of germs
Aren't germicidal lamps specifically UV-C waves or something? How cheap do you have to be to buy these lamps instead of safer lights. Or even use the cheap lights but install the proper light filters on them, they're just thin tinted plastic sheets.
For anyone confused by the low-hanging-fruit NFT comments that don’t actually talk about what actually happened: The event was in Hong Kong and
UV disinfectant lights, accidentally used by ignorant, budget-conscious event lighting staff.
I like that you came to set the record straight, then just guessed. Confidence is sexy.
Far more likely they just used ordinary stage lights where "huh, if I set channel 4 to full intensity I get a pretty purple, lets use that one". The manual probably included a safety warning with specs like "21.7 mW/cm² at 5cm and 8.9 mW/cm² at 25cm distance"... but who reads the manual? And even if they did would they know what those numbers mean?
What it means is a "safe" exposure time of about 11 seconds (per day)... and that's if you only have one of them. They might've had 20. And by the way I took that number from real equipment you can buy for events like this one. Professional operators would be very careful using them.
Pro tip from someone who works in the industry: if you see the white or fluorescent colours glow really bright... get the fuck out of the room unless you have absolute faith in the OH&S chops of the venue and lighting operator.
I've never encountered lights that don't have UV filters in them.
There's no way to control the UV filter via DMX/Artnet/sACN. It's a fixed dichroic filter in front of the discharge lamp. It's an extremely cheap filter, as well, so I doubt it would be excluded from cheapo knock-off brand lights.
Certainly on any light available in the US and EU. It just won't get certified for sale.
Besides which, I haven't used a discharge lamp in years. It's all LED now, even the cheap stuff.
There is no way "set channel 4 to full" would disable any safety features in a moving light that would allow it to output damaging UV light. And the only other way it would hurt someone is if it was focussed on them, and they actively stared into it. Like, staring at the sun kind of level of staring at a light.
So, get rid of that "ordinary stage lights" pish.
This is absolutely a case of "we should get UV lights". And instead of getting safe UV cannons for fun florescent paints, they got UV disinfectant lights. Probably still makes florescent paints glow, but it's the wider band UV stuff designed to kill biological cells (ie disinfect). Which is exactly what it did to people's skin and retina.
Nice. Thanks for the insight.
I work in the film industry side of lighting and we use HMI’s all the time (sometimes without the UV protective glass if the gaffer is a cowboy…). I’ve never really run into this with theatrical/event lights when we do use them…but then again you seem to know about situations like this.
There are so many old gaffers who have cataracts now because of all of those years looking directly into the hot spot of a carbon arc.
You're probably correctly blaming the board while I think it was Aliexpress lights with actual UV emitters.
No, some event organizers will absolutely use disinfection lights because they're pretty. I found the bigclive video where he talks about that happening at a Hong Kong fashion show.
UV disinfectant lights were likely used by ignorant, frugal event lighting staff.
That's some really low tier event planning. That would be like if you went paintballing and the owner included a few live hand grenades amongst the paint ones. It's almost impressive how badly they fucked up.
Atleast the onion writers get a break from writing headlines. Job is done for em already.
It's more like using some "long distance extra penetrating paintballs" instead of the usual bursting paintballs.
It's most likely "let's get UV lights for fluorescent paints and stuff".
Except getting disinfecting UV lights (probably popularised due to COVID) instead of safe UV Cannons.
This isn't even the first time this has happened. bigclive talked about how event organizers at a fashion show setup disinfectant lights for the pretty purple light. One of the attendees figured out what happened quickly the next morning and rushed to the venue to take pictures before the lights were thrown out.
It is perfect. I feel bad for these idiots, but not quite bad enough to manage not to laugh at them.
"'I woke up at 04:00 and couldn’t see anymore,' said @CryptoJune777."
The guy with the red cap ape profile picture casually asking if anyone else ended up in the ER.
crypto_birb thanking for "great apefest logistics", while encouraging his peers to seek medical attention ASAP.
Comedy gold.
schadenfreude
Damn I just learned this word today from the latest Tom Scott video. Baader-Meinhof phenomenon in action.
That's why the lord made crossposting
The fall of the house of Usher vibe
It's OK, I initially read the headline as attendees got their faces burned by the event's lightning. My remaining two brain cells massively overclocked themselves trying to sort that one out.
LOL, I was thinking I should have bolded the first "n" in lightning but was too lazy.
Talk about blinding yourself with greed.
Bigclive made a video about UV after a similar event i China:
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Did Mike Flanagan write this episode?
Of all the industries to profit from bored ape NFTs, I was not expecting white cane manufacturing to be one of them.
Sunlight is overrated. Vitamin D comes in pills now. One less cancer I gotta worry about.
The damage is also there from sunburns. You can stop before it hurts, only to later find it reddenned the next day and such. Same thing with welding with insufficient protection - ie. no long sleeves. You can weld and find out a few hours later that you should've brought a long sleeve after all. Once it hurts when you are doing something, then it's a really bad case.
Even before it hurts, you can feel your skin getting itchy and dried out. But, if you're indoors and not expecting to be burned, you might not notice, or might not realize what you're feeling is from the disinfectant UV lights being misused as fun paint-glowy UV lights.
It's like a sunburn. You don't feel it until it's too late.
So just to point this out again, we all know they're terrible because they're an incredibly racist troll too right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpH3O6mnZvw
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Oh no perish the thought. You found me out. I said a meanie about nft bros and deleted it. Guess that’s the exact same as making personal insults and accusations and then cowardly deleting them when I receive push back. But please do continue. It’s good to see you’re getting some quality reading in.
Lemme get this straight. I deleted a response I made to one of your many ridiculous accusations, reposted it in the correct spot - not insulting, btw, and I stand by it - you make yet another trolling accusation and in order to “gotcha” me you go back weeks/months through my post history to find me a nonspecific mean spirited comment I made and deleted? And you don’t get how this is troll behavior? I mean it would be one thing if you really did catch me out but my dude this isn’t it. I joked about nft bros getting burned by uv lights, and deleted it afterwards. You’re really, really bad at this internet sleuthing and it should (but won’t) maybe indicate to you that you shouldn’t just go around lobbing accusations of trolling. People in glass houses etc.
I’ve been far too generous with my time with you though. Goodbye troll. Be better.
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