This question popped into my head when I was playing Void Stranger. I just got done with the game and will probably never play it again despite not finishing it. The game is genuinely amazing but it just gets so demanding as you progress through it. I ended up watching the second half of the game on YouTube.
What is your favorite game that you feel is really cool and special but you never felt the pull of actually finishing it, and why?
you're not even really missing anything either. The endings kind of nothing. You unlock the ability to yell a few different summons and can optionally get a cool looking hat that kind of sucks, though.
get a cool looking hat that kind of sucks, though.
Sucks like it's not good or sucks like that one part of Lazlo's really cool hat made of witch skin that gently sucks the back of his head?
I probably spent longer trying to get mods to work than actually playing the game.
Me and most games that I have ever installed mods for
I'm heavily modding Skyrim VR currently and now that .esl support was back ported, I'm hovering around 400 mods. It's joyous, and I'm afraid how much I may break at the same time. Nexus Collections are helping as well. Maybe I'll test MO2 one of these days.
I have never completed or even come close to finishing the game. And I was a day one 11/11/11 purchase lol.
Hey! Did that recently and whoops 100+ hrs later… I figured what the hell let’s beat this thing. Ending was meh
Stardew Valley. He keeps adding things before I finish what was already released.
We're on last update™ 3 or 4 now, right?
6 I believe
Me and Warframe
My roommate is heavily holding out her next playthrough until 1.6 drops. Here's hoping Stardew Valley Very Expanded gets updated soon after.
I think what you're describing is how I felt with Hollow Knight. When I set it down for the last time (so far), I did so knowing I would probably never return to finish it.
I don't get a lot of time to game, and the time I get is punctuated by months of hiatus each year. Any game that's too long, too difficult, or too complicated to pick back up quickly after I've been gone awhile is not a good fit for me.
I was too far along in the game to even consider starting over, not to mention that a lot of the magic would be lost. But I was also far enough along that I know I don't want to put the effort into relearning the mechanics, figuring out what I'm supposed to be doing, and having to re-explore everything.
Granted, by the time I stopped playing, it had already grown tedious and I wasn't enjoying it much anyway. It stopped being rewarding was just mostly just punishing at a certain point.
After I set Hollow Knight aside, I found other games that I liked better and were more accommodating to my circumstances (ex: Hades). And now, even if I did want some more time with Hollow Knight, I'd honestly just wait for the upcoming sequel / prequel / whatever it's going to be (Silksong).
This also happened to me. Spent a week getting through Path of Pain only to die on the last hit from the two dudes at the end. I just turned it off and by that point I had advanced far enough to beat the game but just never did. I got the gist of it and my time is now too valuable to go back and relive the trauma of fighting those bosses....
I actually had a similar experience with Hollow Knight where I had to stop playing for a while and when I picked it back up I forgot where I was and where I'm going, so I had to start all over. It was really worth it imo, because the end sections of the game are insanely cool. But I can understand not wanting to repeat ~10-20 hours again.
I went through the same thing with Dark Souls. Got it because of its reputation of difficulty, saw it was as I expected mostly pattern memorization but also was put off by the game simply refusing to tell you anything about anything. Got to the Gaping Dragon and quit for about a year. DS3 then came out and I gave DS1 another go, finally clicked. Beat it. Beat 2. Bought 3 beat it, got its dlc then beat those. I now have all those games and the only one I haven't beaten is Sekiro. But I'm not going to say I will never beat it. Owl will be my bitch someday...
Red dead redemption. I refuse to go in that fucking barn.
What a great piece of storytelling. Those doors opening and seeing all those guns pointed at you. "Guess I'm going to have to commit genocide" was my first thought quickly followed by "oh no, wait, what's happening!?"
I got so burned out trying to finish the side content that I became completely disillusioned with the game and probably won't ever touch it again
Satisfactory, it's so much fun, but looking forward to the endgame builds is super daunting.
Let's not forget 1.0 still isn't released yet.
Really? I've always felt the opposite, Satisfactory only just got blueprints and those are a huge part of how I play Factorio
Progression wise? There's less stuff to research, it doesn't take nearly as many resources to hit milestones, and the map is 100% static and the same every time you play, with far fewer enemies to slow you down or destroy things. It's so much faster to reach the top tier in Satisfactory than Factorio in my experience, even before the last major update that added blueprinting. Blueprinting makes it just that much faster to scale up.
Skyrim.
I spent about 100hrs playing and even built my own house. There's a branch in the story line part way through where you have to choose to be a Dragon killer or supporter. I couldn't choose so I just kept doing side-quests. Not played it in years though.
Not my absolute favourite game, but one that I loved is Kingdom Come: Deliverance. But I just don’t have the time to invest into relearning the combat system anymore. Which is a shame because I think the world it creates is amazing and you can get a bit lost in it.
I fucking loved that game. I was immersed immediately, running around town fucking shit up with my boys, getting in fights, getting in trouble, it was incredible.
I played it constantly for a few weeks, never even approached the ending. Then at some point I was immensely powerful, kitted to the nines, my friends were all dead, and I was just some random nameless Knight errant fighting goons and all the magic was gone. I haven't played it since. Doubt I ever will.
Can't wait for a sequel though
I spent too much time dicking around in that game, now regular bandits are wearing plate
Noita, kinda. I've won a few runs and unlocked most of the secrets, but some of the late game quests just get absurd to the point of taking dozens of hours and even with a perfect god-mode setup there's still ways to get instakilled.
I love a game with depth and secrets but noita definitely reached the point of "y'know, I'm not having fun anymore. This is just work"
The sun quest was one of the wildest things I've ever done in a video game
Ahh man.. I haven't been able to get noita to launch recently. I followed every forum guide I could find and still no luck. It was my top game played on steam this last year. I miss it.
Fucked if I'll ever beat Nethack without wizard mode.
Death Stranding is another, though for a completely different reason. I know there's some super cool fun shit somewhere in there; but getting through the first few hours of the game to get to that point is so boring I always end up putting it down before getting to anything worthwhile. And that's with actually thinking the walking system is pretty kick ass.
Death Stranding is one of my favorite games of all time that I will recommend to literally nobody.
If you can try version 3.4.3 that was one of the last good ones imo. 3.6 has hard nerfs to so many ways to survive in that game, none of it fair imo. I ascended 3 times on the old version and can barely pass gnomish mines now, it is torture.
Most recently I found that the speed system has become meaningless in order to make it harder. Eg I found a mimic, which had 3 speed, playing an Elf, with 12 , in the old version you would get 4 turns before the mimic would be able to attack, but it hit me twice in 2 turns and instantly killed me. Then I have to google patch notes to find out why I died.. Thanks dev team!
I think I beat it once, but only after a shitload of save scumming.
IRC they just released the latest chapter of sim settlements, so yeah. I'll probably return to FO4 in a year or two. Fallout London is also progressing, so that should be interesting. Thanks to content mods, you can largely skip the main quests of the original game.
It's become the new skyrim.
I think skyrim's golden age of modding is largely a thing of the past, but I haven't played it in a few years (500+ mods at the time), so please correct me if I'm wrong.
Depends on if you count Skyblivion and Skywind as mods for Skyrim I guess
Yeah. How I am with it. Spend so much time modding that I never actually get around to playing it. Add that to thr mod that makes every building have an interior and suddenly even when I do play it it takes forever to get anywhere
Bg3. It's a fantastic game that I put 100 hours into. I'll never finish it though because I was just done with the well put together gameplay loop. It made me realize I may be done with that genre altogether now. I've put uncountable hours into various crpgs, and I've had my time with them. I finished off with one of the absolute best. Good enough for me.
As an example, I'm done with MMOs. I played RuneScape back when it first launched (RS Classic) and continued for a while into the RS2 era and eventually I was just done. I tried WoW and a few other big games but eventually I just realized I was playing RuneScape again, and I played that already. That isn't to say these new games weren't different. They offered A LOT of new things, of different things, at their core I was just playing an MMO, and I'd done that already.
I'm also done with shooters. I'd say FPS, but the truth is it applies to third person as well. Again, I played a bunch over the years. CounterStrike, Battlefield 1942, Halo, and a few different Call of Duty games. I've dipped my toes into many over the years. If all my friends are playing, asking me directly, sure I'll hop in. I don't hate them, but I won't suggest playing them. I've played them a million times. I'm tired of them.
Just to flip it around. I love platformers. I've played so many platformers. Each have such huge variety. Friends will have moved on and I'm still going for 100% completion. Even after 100% I'm looking for a leaderboard, or self-imposed challenge to keep me playing.
I'm confident some people feel about shooters the way I feel about platformers. If someone says their tired of games like BG3, I don't get it. I could never tire of that genre. It has too many options to keep things fresh. But I know some people feel the same about shooters.
I don't get it, but I guess I get it.
I see, I definitely feel that with MMOs, but it's more because the successful ones are always following the same formula just done well, like XIV, WoW and GW2; while games that had something very interesting like Peria Chronicles get gutted of what was different and cancelled after.
Arpgs like Diablo or pathofexile are my "will always play" games. Like you I've played the mmos, shooters, and others and feel like I've "finished" those genres and am satisfied not going back unless with friends.
It's both a nice feeling but also a sad one. I still follow fps games and watch videos of them, but playing them... Meh
You should try Escape From Tarkov. Yea it's a shooter, but it's intense and, most importantly, not call off duty or battlefield
Tear that kid open and you'll just find three AIs in a trenchcoat
Europa Universalis IV and Stellaris. For exactly the same reasons.
I spend way too much time in those games. Hundreds of hours each. But the end game is just too much of a slog. You already won, so there is no challenge; the framerate tanks into unplayable territory; and the micromanagement to manage the late game wars and economy becomes insane.
But starting with a different empire, and doing early/mid game again is awsome!
I have one of the fastest, most powerful laptops that exist, and the last century or so of stellaris brings it to a crawl.
Bg3 at 4k ultra settings? 144fps. Stellaris? There are some entire seconds without a new frame.
Same reason that Dwarf Fortress also has the same problem. Simulation is a lot heavier than graphics, and it's CPU heavy, but gaming computer usually have acceptable CPUs and powerhouse GPUs, so they bottleneck on the CPU with simulation games.
I have an i9 13900, so uh, it isn't exactly a mid tier CPU.
Stellaris just can't have a full, long game without eating shit at the end frame wise.
edit: i9 13980HK, slightly wrong model, point stands as its a very high end CPU that'll beat the snot out of anything normal. Stellaris is actually just brutal to run end game.
Subnautica. I always have a lot of fun building out my base and discovering things and poking around, but after a while I get distracted by another game and put Subnautica on the back burner. By the time I get back around to it, I've forgotten how to play and end up starting a brand new playthrough.
Another one is Darkest Dungeon. I have over 100 hours in that game and loved it, but I kind of stopped playing after all the strategies I had been using stopped working and all my parties kept getting annihilated. I was spending so much time recruiting, training, curing, etc that it sort of stopped being fun.
Yeaaaa.... Do what the other guy said. Subnautica is an amazing game. I wish I could play it again for the first time
Old School Runescape. Kind of a cop-out answer as it's a MMO, but I'm never gonna get maxed there
Hard agree. I had a decent ftp account, made enough for a bond, and took a two week tour of the paid content. It's pretty! But I couldn't keep up a subscription at the time.
Might do one of the Leagues eventually but knowing the whole account gets deleted at the end kills the excitement for me.
It actually never even occurred to me that you could beat it. I just figured everyone plays until they get bored
You should get on that. I hear the sequel is coming any time now.
I can't speak for the parent, but I don't remember ever getting past Nova Prospekt. Not because I didn't want to, it's just that every time I've started playing I get distracted right around that part. But I have a serious problem of not being able to finish games, I get distracted by other games far too easily.
I never started episode 2. I knew that was the end and just... never played it to keep things non definitive
There Is a game call Ancient Domains of Mystery (ADoM) that has been around since the early 90's. It's a traditional Roguelike that I picked up and started playing in 2003 and I have yet to actually beat the game. I have thousands of hours on it in Steam and much much more than that before the Steam release and I have yet to actually win. It's hard.
Rimworld.
Over the years, on and off, I've put 2k hours into that game, and I've never, ever built the ship or helped the High Stellarch or found the Archo Nexus. Never even gotten close. I love building bases and growing colonies, and with all the DLC+mods there's an endless amount to do, but yeah.. doubt I'll ever actually get to the end.
Fallout 4 I have around 450 hours in it, and like 10 are in character creation and 400 are in settlement building.
I have not meet the Institute, I have had two run in with the Railroad, I have defended Far Harbor when you first arrive, I have meet Virgil ones and I have never been on board the Prydwen. I did get to some big fight in the Automatron DLC after you build the brain bot, but I have now idea if it was the last or not.
But I absolutely love the game to bits and can roll play in it for hours.
Wow, target audience for settlement building actually exist! It was always a point of frustration to me, I build necessary minimum for some quests and that's it, partially being sad that they could've put those resources to make main loop of Fallout part of the game better
I kind of agree with you, to be honest.
Instead of putting this two things together and half assing them both, we could have had a more Fallouty Fallout 4 and a spin-off like Fallout: The Minutemen Story where you work in a Minutemen like faction somewhere to get it establish and working. With a much more settlement focused gameplay and with the big baddies being some raider factions, you have to deal with in different ways.
Minecraft. I love building crazy things in creative mode or on peaceful but I will never play with monsters on or even attempt to fight the Nether dragon.
XCOM: Enemy Within. I haven’t beaten it in general (got really close on Normal), but I’ve been specifically trying to clear Classic since that’s the mode where the game is mostly fair for both the player and the AI; the AI literally stops pulling punches and the game stops skewing RNG in the player’s favor.
It’s the dragon I’ve been chasing for over a decade; I’ll squadwipe on a mission that fucks up my entire run, ragequit, and not touch it again for a year or three, then go “how come I never beat it?” and start the vicious cycle again. BUT GODDAMMIT, IT’S SO FUCKING FUN TO PLAY (except for Newfoundland, all my homies hate Newfoundland).
This is only vanilla btw, don’t even get me started on my Long War “attempts” (read: repeated wipes within the first couple of months).
EDIT: more gooder english and PTSD flashbacks of Newfoundland mission.
XCOM games all kind of have a problem where you can really screw yourself long term with a bad mission or by researching sub optimally. It’s kiiiiind of awesome because it raises the stakes of the game… But I don’t want to restart and play another 40 hours or whatever T_T.
I really want to like XCOM 2 it fits all the criteria of stuff I would love but I feel like I reached a place where I can’t win without starting over. Even after losing I still don’t understand all the mechanics so it might happen again.
Honestly, most big RPG's. I really love character creation, and I love watching a character progress in power. For most games, however, I find that if you put even a little bit of thought into character building, you either become far too powerful too quickly and lose any sense of challenge the game can offer or the game has such aggressive enemy level scaling that you end up feeling punished for trying to progress. To that end, as much as I love their early games, I've never completed a Bioware game, most Bethesda RPGs, all cRPGs including Baldur's Gate 3, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, and The Outer Worlds. Whenever I get the itch to replay them, I always make a fresh new character.
Morrowind is tied as my favorite game. I might never finish it. I have felt the urge to finish it, but it goes away pretty quickly once I start. The game is just more fun when dicking around and exploring.
XCOM Enemy Unknown might be my favorite game that I'm just not interested in finishing at all. I like the matches and the strategy. Not really interested in saving the world.
I was thinking about that game as I was scrolling this thread. That's one I should revisit myself. I played that game a lot when I was younger, but managed to never complete it as I always lost interest sometime during the World of Ruin.
That's one of the reasons I lost interest as a kid, as I really didn't know what to do and you could totally wander into an area you just weren't ready for yet. For that reason, I liked FF2 (FF4 everywhere else) as that one pretty much guided you along on rails.
I had that game to the point where I could fight seph but decided I wanted to go for the other stuff first and at some point just stopped playing. It was on an emulator, at least (legit copy of the game but I didn't have the first PlayStation to play it on), so I might still have the save somewhere in my backups, but I'm not sure if I'll ever circle back to it. Especially since my computer doesn't even have a CD drive, so I'd need to get one just to read the discs (though I'd probably just go find isos instead, which I think I might have even ripped myself to avoid disc swapping back in the day).
The full grand campaign in War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition.
Ypu fight the entire Pacific War in 3 day turns across a map with 40 nautical mile hexes with the full order of battle at your disposal. If you play seriously to win against a capable opponent, you have to manage everything right down to individual pilots. There are thousands of ships, thousands of planes and pilots, and hundreds of land units. It is almost more of a historical achievement than a "game". You can play against the AI, but the real experience is to play against another person by email. The full campaign could take 450 turns if you play it out right to the end. Of course, one side can concede early if defeat becomes inevitable, but even so, if each player takes one turn per day, it will probably take about a year to finish. And you won't just be spending time taking your turn, you'll also be reading up on the actual war strategies of each nation, analyzing your opponents moves, planning your own moves and strategies, figuring out supply logistics, learning the capabilities of the ships and planes at your disposal, reading intel reports, and managing virtual pilots and commanders. In many ways, WITP:AE is more of a technical and historical achievement than a game. I honestly don't know if I'll ever be able to complete the full campaign. I would certainly have to be retired before I'd ever attempt it versus a human opponent. And even if I could fully commit, who knows if my opponent would also have the fortitude to finish.
The most fun I've had with WITP is the Coral Sea scenario. That scenario epitomizes the carrier tactics of the time and doesn't get bogged down in logistics or long-term strategy. Almost every turn is tense as you try to find and damage/destroy the other side's carriers while avoiding being detected yourself. It's like playing a high-stakes game of tag in the pitch dark with a flashlight and a gun. Have you played that one?
The Celeste mod Strawberry Jam. It's a lot of fun, but I'd be more than satisfied with just getting through the expert levels, which are already at the point where simply watching gameplay of them would kill a small Victorian child, but I'm at just the right level of masochism that this is a tough but satisfying grind. But I've seen what's next, I'm fully aware of the horrors of the Grandmaster levels, and I know I'll hit my upper limit well before 100% completion.
I honestly have no idea if I ever finished Skyrim. I finished a ton of quests and became an unbeatable bow hunting dragon killer who yelled all the time. I'm pretty sure I got to some castle where I had to choose a faction and just didn't bother. I explored for a couple hundred hours and never played again. 7 years later I played Morrowblivion and then replayed Oblivion (I couldn't get Skyblivion to work if I remember right). I've debated playing VR Skyrim, but I don't want to repay for the game.
I still haven't finished Bastion because I didn't want to break the loop.
I still haven't finished Planescape: Torment despite playing it over many years because I had too much fun reloading and exploring parallel branches.
Factorio. I'm almost at the stage where you can build the launchpad for your rocket, which is technically the end of the game. But the Pyanomod and Space Exploration mods literally add like 1000 hours or more to the game, and I just think I'll probably be dead or society will collapse before I finish those up. The game is literally infinite if you want it to be.
Oxygen Not Included
At this point, FNV. Got it a year or 2 ago on PC with all DLC and I'm just now getting to New Vegas after an extended break of not touching the game.
I've seen many challenge runs and agree the fight and conversation with Lanius is.great, I've just gotten there. Hell, back when I used to play on xbox360 I never made it close to the damn. If I had more drive, I'd definitely go and beat it.
Well no-one else has said it yet but pokemon.
Over my childhood i played a hell of a lot of Red, Silver, Sapphire and Leaf Green, but i never got close to completing the pokedex.
On my first pokemon (silver) i had three pokemon at lvl100, and the rest of the party was lvl95-98 playing the elite 4 over and over and over with a single pokemon just to get the last few levels (after running out of rare candies) but i never got the dex closer than ~30 pokemon off. Even disregarding the trade or alternate version exclusives and the [practically]unobtainables (legendaries from event codes) it was such a grind to get some of the last pokemon with high evolution lvls and i just never managed to finish that pokedex.
I have come to terms that i will never infact 'catch em all'.
Escape From Tarkov.
I love the game mechanics. But I suck so bad, I'll never get the last quests.
I finally finished it close to the end of last year and let me tell you, the last few quests were just so bloated. I honestly think the weakest point of the game was towards the end. Not story wise but gameplay wise. It felt like a gauntlet of will to finish
Undertale. Got two of the endings and got to Final Boss of Murder Mode. Tried 50+ times and decided I’m just not skilled enough to beat that boss. Looked up a vid of the ending and was satisfied. What a wonderful game.
I've enjoyed a lot of Earth Defense Force, but it seems like there's a TON of missions in it. I'm up to 30 or so and have already had some big "This is our epic final battle against the Giant Insects!" moments - and it goes up to 90-something missions, plus DLC.
Horizon Forbidden West; I went on holiday just before the final mission and when I went to pick it back up, I discovered that my controller was fucked. Now I'm waiting for the PC remaster because, I still find using a controller slightly unnatural.
Risk of Rain 2 for me. I’ve “finished” the final boss but there’s so much more to unlock and do in that game that I’m not sure I’ll ever be done with it. Absolute blast to play with friends especially when you get those miracle runs where you get all the items that are amazing for your respective classes!
I used to like playing hard games but I’m done with them now. I don’t have the skill to complete them without putting a lot of time in and I don’t have the time anymore.
Returnal was fantastic and Sifu was even more fun but I’ll never finish either of them.
Returnal was great, but even after you beat the last boss you still don't know WTF was going on. You have to keep playing and looking for more audio logs and stuff before you have the full story. I beat the last boss, but can't bring myself to keep playing.
Probably Hollow Knight at this rate. That 112% is a lot.
I can't get through path of pain and I'm done with trying.
For me I think it is more for JRPG genre games as growing older makes me unable to access them easily as I was younger due to time constraint, somehow I am more appreciate shorter game because I can finish them faster.
This reminds me of my Final Fantasy XII International Zodiac Job System that I had on PS2, lost track where I was progressing and not really want to finish it as I felt the world is large enough with some hidden optional bosses. Another instance of unfinished playthrough is my SMT: Strange Journey because I had lost my track due to irl stuff while the save had 80hr on the clock.
Another series that I would not finish is Harvest Moon/Story of Season, had Back to Nature and A Wonderful Life on PS2 back then (and now on steam), could not complete them as it feels more like a chore. First year is enough for me to mark it as complete.
Payday 2 too with thousands of achievements that I did not bother to collect, I just played them for fun and with friends.
Rust I guess? TF2? Anything multiplayer I had fun with people I know in. I can't start single player games anymore and put too much in unless I know it will go somewhere otherwise they kinda... get dropped.
Gta V will probably only be truly "finished" for me when gta 6 comes out (assuming that it's going to be as good of a game). 10 years later I still keep finding new stuff in it. I really hope 6 can live up to it.
Probably shiren the wanderer, it's a pure roguelite so you can't brute force it like the more forgiving roguelites with permanent upgrades, but I only play in short bursts and always forget stuff when I finally play again.
I know it's pedantic, but that's a rogueLIKE. A roguelite has permanent upgrades
I wish there were more pedantic people regarding the difference. The more it gets diluted the harder it becomes to find the proper roguelikes.
Underrail. I love the game so much but every time I hit the level cap I just lose interest completely. Doesn't help that the guy developing it is violently opposed to modding.
Factorio with the space exploration mod.
A mod, not a game, but Terrafirmacraft.
I deeply love every part of it, except the ore prospecting system. I always use commands to find my first copper vein because I find it so grindy otherwise. Doesn’t help that the vast majority of TFC’s progression is locked behind copper.
So I guess technically I’ll probably never complete the game legit.
Fallout: New Vegas.
Love the game, it's potentially the best in the series. But I've hit the same game-ending glitch twice. Basically at a certain point an important faction decides to become completely hostile towards me despite me having positive faction rep and despite lots of tweaking with console commands to try to work around the problem.
I'd even restored a save from ten hours prior to triggering the bug and still had the problem once I progressed a quest line.
Super frustrating. I've experienced a lot of the early game multiple times but never gotten to the end of any of the major quest lines.
Dead Estate. It's hard to 100 percent it
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I like skyrim, but completing it is kind of missing the point IMO. The draw is to install a whole bunch of new mods and see if the game still works.
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