Trump Backs Israel Bombarding Gaza: 'Gotta Finish the Problem'
3 years ago by Rapidcreek to c/politics
I hope this gets posted in all the leftist boards. People need to understand Biden is a continuation of the United States' wishy-washy policies on Palestinians whereas Trump is pedal to the floor full acceleration towards genocide. Biden has shown he can at least be pressured into taking minor steps in the right direction. Being able to claim moral purity at the expense of a genocided Palestine will ring pretty hollow.
It will most likely continue to get used completely unironically along with cheering on the bombs.
Pick one:
Geriatric Joe, the president too senile to make up his mind on which side to support.
Gray-area Joe, the weak president that refuses to take a stance on foreign affairs.
Bystander Biden, the president that did nothing to end the Israel-Palestine war.
And so forth. They'll always find some other stupid thing to blame him for.
Along with what everyone else is saying, I think they could probably still try to make an attempt at taking like, a false moral position, along the lines of an accelerationism-style "oh, well, trump seeking to escalate the war would end it more quickly, thus, saving more lives in the long run" kind of thing. Obviously based on kind of false pretenses, but then, I think a lot of their political positions kind of assume war and resource extraction as an inevitability, and power as an ultimate moral good, on a deeper level, and the fascism and propaganda mind games they play are just kind of a stupid extension of that.
They will keep using it, because the issue and consistency are both not something actual GOP voters need or care about. Their votes are already assured.
Its not republicans, its russian shills/bots... ok wait... yeah, guess ur right.
And for the life of me, his correct name that ive been pushing since 2019, is Status Quo Joe. It was an insult then, cant believe its a vague defense now.
Fark Brandon
I mean if we start talking about all the horrible things that will happen under a Trump presidency, we'll never stop.
Until the men with guns put black bags over our heads and shove us into vans in the middle of the night.
The "ppl" pushing the narrative ur complaining about arent on Ukraines side, nor or they on the side of NATO. Theyre busy convincing everyone they can that literally all western news is propaganda and the only true news will come from state sources in russia, china, etc.
The goal when engaging that side should, for the sane, anyway, always be not to convert the person ur speaking to, bc even if they arent bots/shills, their bad faith arguments turn aggressive incredibly quickly. Instead, the goal should be to demonstrate to the onlookers the absurdness of the tankie's position, and who it benefits/who is responsible for fabricating the position in the first place.
Theyre busy convincing everyone they can that literally all western news is propaganda and the only true news will come from state sources in russia, china, etc.
you made this up
I mean, Biden absolutely is wishy washy.
But he also reversed Trump's policy of saying West Bank settlement is legal, and sanctioned violent Israeli settlers.
Obviously Gaza's really bad, but what's happened and happening in the West Bank is also arguably ethnic cleansing. Chasing Palestinians off their land. Trump's a fan.
But he also reversed Trump's policy of saying West Bank settlement is legal, and sanctioned violent Israeli settlers.
Israel announced this month that they are authorizing the creation of increased settlements in the West Bank.
If Biden used the power of the United States to stop this and to undo the existing illegal settlements then he would deserve credit. He will never choose to do this though. This is because Biden, and all mainstream Democrats and Republicans, are Zionists who believe Israel should not be forcibly prevented from expanding its current borders.
Trump is worse. But mainstream politicians are also horrific. It is equivalent to the choice between the gradualist death by a thousand cuts used by John Roberts vs the immediate exercise of power used by Samuel Alito. Either way, liberty and morality will be destroyed.
We need to demand better as American citizens. No one else can correct the United States but us
Biden is a continuation of the United States' wishy-washy policies on Palestinians whereas Trump is pedal to the floor full acceleration towards genocide.
If these are the only options that our system offers us, then why shouldn't we demand our system be replaced?
Democrats are inadequate, Republicans are worse. If this is the only choice available within the United States, then why do we citizens allow the United States to continue?
I have a strict "no genocide" policy. Candidates that promote, endorse, allow, or sit idly by and let others do genocide are gonna be a no go from me.
It's not going to change unless we make demands.
Numbnutz, clown, shill. Very convincing rhetoric. If the 100,000 in Michigan who voted uncommitted had heard these eloquent shibboleths, surely they would have changed their minds.
I have a strict “no genocide” policy.
That's not one of the options though. You get to pick which genocide. You either get restrained genocide, or full genocide with a side of dismantling American democracy.
I expect to have Jill Stein and cornel west on my ballot.
If its a primary then fuck Biden, but if it's the General Election then the blue name on the ballot is who gets the check.
You're may be right. I assume most of them are 'useful idiots'.
They realised western media were often biased, so they switched to 'critical' media, spent more and more time in internet bubbles, and ended up uncritically parroting Russian, Chinese or Iranian propaganda instead.
Same thing happened after 9/11 and Iraq. A lot of people were angry about how biased CNN was, so they switched to channels like Russia Today because it was critical of the US and did genuinely have a lot of good journalism. Of course, that doesn't mean Russia Today isn't propaganda. A lot of these people are forever lost, I don't think you can deprogram them.
Also if people use a lot of slogans like "cultural marxism", "Fuck Brandon" or "genocide Joe", without being able to articulate a nuanced position, it's likely they've succumb to newspeak. Newspeak uses an impoverished and simplified vocabulary, to prevent people from critical thinking.
I don't think that "Fuck Brandon" is indicative of much. Especially since Biden himself has heavily leaned into the "Dark Brandon" persona since 2022.
You can't claim that people who use the term "Brandon" are brainwashed when Biden's own campaign uses the term - and even sells merchandise with the name/image depicted on it
Unless you're claiming that Dems/libs are also brainwashed, along with MAGA-types and the uncritical portions of the "dirtbag left". In which case you're correct, but likely unintentionally as that cuts against your broader point
It must feel amazing to be held hostage by a ineffective political party that knows that if you don't vote for them then the alternative will be much worse.
The salient point is that Trump is endorsing a pogrom.
Your takeaway from a story about a former President of the United States of America endorsing ethnic cleansing, is that a backhanded shot should be taken at the other party?
Why do Republicans always get the good propagandists?
They're willing to outsource it to countries with more expertise.
I mean... It kinda sounded like gallows humor
This is a particularly great comparison.
Biden isn't doing enough to stop Palestinians from getting mowed down in food lines. He's so focused on appealing to the right that he's making the left lose hope
Trump is cheering it on, you know how he gets around authoritarians who commit human rights violations
One of these is clearly much worse than the other. No question. But the end result doesn't feel different
Every step forward is too little so late... Even the article this last week "Biden speaks out against Netanyahu" was him very carefully calling for a cease fire.
It's so little, so late... We're all waiting for him to go Darth Brandon and do something big. Something that'll give the left hope, and involve him making some deserving enemies
It feels like shit but whatever plan you have isn't gonna change it
FYI, voting doesn't require leaving the house either. Register to vote by mail!
Depends on your state. In the states where it matters the most, voting is the hardest.
Must be amazing to think that there's a giant majority of Socialists in America and the only thing holding them back is the DNC.
Bernie.
Bernie himself expressed disappointment that he was unable to get the turnout he wanted, especially among young people. His campaign had a flawed goal to only target 40% of the vote, and his argument for victory was that he would turn out so many young people and disaffected nonvoters.
That didn't happen in the primary, and there wasn't a significant difference between open and closed primaries to suggest closed primaries were the culprit. Ironically when total voter count decreased, in caucuses, it was Bernie who was favored.
If you want to blame someone for his loss, blame the fact that youth turnout wasn't 100% for a trustworthy candidate who was promising free college, student loans forgiveness, legal weed, and free universal healthcare. I was 24 that year, so I'm not criticizing "the youth" in general, but my age cohort of tail end millennials.
You're proving my point here.
Bernie had four years to organize, and got 10 million fewer votes than Biden.
"Bernie...Sanders"
It is amazing that some people think that Biden can snap his fingers and Israel jumps to attention. Israel is a country that attacked the USS Liberty! Biden didn't start the conflict. People on both sides have died. You can't stop trains, super tankers of countries on a dime. It would be nice, however if folks would actually try to understand what is being done and why. Hint: you won't find in in the MSM or from Putin's trolls. Then again, mindless online bitching is so much easier.
Yeah, you can't just call up Israel, threaten US aid, and tell them to end hostilities: that only worked when Reagan and did it! And when HW Bush did it! /s
I dont understand this idea that the US has no leverage when we are sending Israel billions of dollars. Without US resupply, several crucial Israeli military systems would be forced to shut down.
Well uh when you have the US Navy under your command, and already in the area dealing with Houthis, you know, by shooting down their missiles and bombing them and such, you actually /can/ stop trains and tankers.
You could airlift aid! You could, hilariously, stop ships heading to Israel with a Naval Blockade!
Obviously that last one isnt going to happen, but theres a whole lot more than basically nothing that you could do.
For starters: Cut off a bunch of joint projects between US and Israeli firms, stop sending them large amounts of money for other things, stop fucking shit canning every attempt by the UN to sanction Israel, or maybe even use these aforementioned things as threats and leverage to force a fucking ceasefire.
And now because this is the internet: Am I saying that Trump is somehow not bad, not far, far, far fucking worse by pointing out the rest?
Nooooo!
No, fucking obviously Trump would be a thousand times worse!
But pretending that there's nothing Biden could do is a joke.
He doesn't because he is a long time Zionist, and the American public, and particularly political and media figures, have been bathed in Zionist propaganda for so long that it takes an overt genocide for us to figure out that maybe Israel actually isn't a perfect unconditional ally.
Amazing? I just feel helpless.
Biden: We’ve been reluctantly supporting a very close ally, but it’s gone too far, and now we’re publicly condemning while admittedly still funding them. It’s a complicated situation, and I’m a cautious centrist.
Trump: Why are there still buildings standing in Gaza? That won’t happen on my watch. May as well wipe out the West Bank while we’re at it.
For the life of me, I can’t tell the difference. I have no idea who to vote for to help the Palestinians.
There is no one to vote for to help the Palestinians.
The only hope for Gaza is for Biden to change course and use his significant leverage to convince Bibi to end the blockade.
If the status quo of famine is allowed to continue, there will be no Gazans left to bomb when Trump is sworn in on Jan 2025.
People in northern Gaza have described in detail about their decline.
In the first month or two, they ate the remaining food and slaughtered the animals. Then they ate animal feed for months. When that was gone, they ate bird seed. Now with nothing left, they eat grass.
When it's only grass, people start to die. Children and elderly first. And that is the stage of famine we are at now.
People can survive a long time on very low food. But they can't survive forever.
So all 2.3 million people in Gaza ignored the first evacuation orders and warnings and instead of going South, they all went to north Gaza where they proceeded to eat all the food and are now starving to death, and despite only 30,000 deaths in four months, you believe that this month there will be 230,000, and that figure will continue for the next ten months in a row? I don't know sort of seems like you're exaggerating Israel's actions to portray Jews as evil.
If the total death toll doesn't increase by eightfold in the next month will that be sufficient evidence that claims of ethnic cleansing and weaponized starvation are highly exaggerated?
The only hope for Gaza is for Biden to change course and use his significant leverage to convince Bibi to end the blockade.
Five months and almost 31,000 Palestinian deaths later, he's still just wagging his finger and sending even more arms to Israel.
We might as well just wait for the Pope to shit in the woods.
Edit: Here's the most likely reason for the downvotes.
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Biden is literally changing course right now.
When your highly nuanced and extremely educated political stance is obliterated by an extremely obvious fact that you forgot to consider because you got lost in the sauce of [current hot conversation topic] for [I'm a Leftist!(TM)] identifying individuals.
I mean I was personally waiting for Trump to say the obvious and finish the punchline for the last couple weeks honestly.
I mean, thats good, but unfortunately a huge (over-representative?) amount of online leftist discourse is so subsumed by extremely emotionally driven short sighted glomming onto bullying a particular person that they often say things that are basically obviously ludicrous if you either take a few deep breathes and think about what you're saying, or if you're not really involved in the often extremely petty nature of discourse around/perpetuated by many popular online leftists.
But hey, Not All Leftists, I guess?
Its frankly deeply embarrassing to accurately describe myself as a leftist and then have less politically engaged people often think I'm like one of these over the top internet personalities, and also infuriating when I describe myself as a leftist to other leftists online, who then usually woke scold and purity shame me for having non ludicrous positions.
Hell I'm still banned from like half the hexbear and lemmy.ml communities for pointing out that maybe Taiwan has expressed a desire for governmental sovereignty, you know kind of like Ukraine, even though its obviously not a perfect society, it doesnt deserve to be invaded or subverted by a neighboring state?
Nah. Verbotten opinions.
I think the latest hexbear community to ban me did so because I posted a response to an 'enigmatic, therefore funny and awesome' meme on weibo.
The meme, a kind of wojack meme, boils down to 'Dengist reforms allowed western influence into China, which has resulted in nowadays Chinese incels pretend to be black men online to pick up chicks because many Chinese basically racistly view black men as all having giant cocks.'
But you can't even hint that parts of Chinese society might be gasp racist, or even have segments that view women as only interested in big dicked men because this breaks the brains of many online Western leftists that Chinese society is not actually perfect.
Its even more baffling to me that many online Leftists barely ever mention, or tie themselves up in absurd logical/rhetorical pretzels about how just in general many East Asian societies and ethnicities have large chunks that are extremely racist towards other East Asian and other ethnicities, basically because a good number of East Asian societies are nominally communist or socialist, so that must mean they've solved racism.
I think all of what you said there can be summed up with.
Comrade, leftists sure can be infuriating to deal with and talk to, huh?
Pretty sure the most vocal ones arent the most productive ones, and as with most ideologies aren't really representative of the majority. But still can be a headache for everyone involved.
I got banned for pointing out obvious right wing propaganda from a known right wing shill and was told it "emotionally confirmed" how they felt about Biden, so it didn't matter if it wasn't entirely factual.
I mean how do you fight back against that?
People are such emotional little idiots about the things they feel. It's nicer to feel right than be it, because reality is very very often very disappointing. But compromise makes you feel wronger.
We are in very emotional times for sure.
Blahaj is the craziest to me. There's a huge hexbear influence there. It's like, yo, if you physically tried to go to Russia you would probably be beaten and murdered just for existing.
We live in a democracy. Maybe you're thinking of the Arab states surrounding Israel, where one guy decides everything?
We don't send bombs to Israel because they need them to kill Hamas. Israel makes all the weapons they need to do that without America. It is a nuclear power. America sends weapons to Israel because of the threat of Iran. And it's not going to stop doing that because of a local land dispute. Our alliance with Israel is about avoiding a war with Iran, which would result in tens of millions of deaths.
10,000,000 > 30,000. Simple as that.
This is what I've been pointing out all along... Say what you want about Biden funding Israel, Trump is actively worse.
And no, Jill Stein or Cornell West are not viable alternatives.
Just voted for Gabriel Cornejo in my state's primary. Looked him up, liked his policies, voted for him instead of Vermin Supreme, because no way am I voting for Biden in the primary. It's purely symbolic, let's be real, but I did ultimately vote for someone with leftist platform.
It’s not purely symbolic. The bigger candidates often start to address policy positions represented by smaller candidates who get enough votes in the primaries as a way to sway those voters in the general election.
Absolutely! If we can show that there are votes to be taken up by repositioning policies just a little or adding some, then it absolutely in a working 2 party system moves the closest party to adopt those in order to get the votes. And then it's up to consistent pressure to make sure they are worked on while in office, pest they lose trust and that voter base forever.
It's a shame, I'm pretty sure the US is not in a working or stable 2 party system.
This right here. There's no actual threat of weakening Biden by voting against him in the primary, because there's no real candidate running against him. Voting uncommitted or for a write in the primary is a great way to leverage your voting power without empowering trump.
Yeah, in the primary all options are valid to vote for, even if it's just symbolic. That still shows where people stand. However, in the general you pick who you need to pick in order to get the best outcome. You don't get to vote for symbolism then, at least if you're a rational person and not just doing something out of an emotional attempt to feel better than other people. It sucks, but that's how the system functions for now at least. Acting morally superior doesn't do anything except allow the morally corrupt to get their way.
The irony of literally anyone (eligible) not voting for Biden specifically because of his handling of the Gaza situation, and thereby doing their part to help Donald "Gotta Finish the Problem" Trump win, makes my bones hurt. I hate this timeline and I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Not voting for Biden in the primaries is perfectly fine.
Agreed and I did the same yesterday. Will vote for Biden in the end, but I registered my complaint. As best I can tell, his tone shifted after Michigan so we'll see if there is more change on the horizon.
I'm usually skeptical of protest votes, but these primary protest votes are actually effective for the same reason voting is effective. Politicians aren't as static as we want to believe- their number one priority is reelection. When you vote, you are telling the candidates that you are politically useful and they will begin to pay attention to your needs. When you vote for all levels of government, you are giving deeper detail into what your needs are.
If a significant portion of a district votes for a Democrat as president, and then a Republican for state representative, the democratic administration will likely make more conservative decisions if they see that portion of the electorate as critical to reelection.
This naturally reveals a big problem with the electoral college, as there are maybe 5 states with critical demographics needed to win reelection. The people in Ohio, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, and Michigan are more influential to the type of administration a Republican or Democrat would run.
If the Gaza protest vote happened in Washington State or California, I doubt Biden would have reacted as much as he did for Michigan. That said, this problem politicians face goes from the President of the US down to the president of your HOA. So I'll acknowledge that the power of voting fluctuates depending on the specific outcome you are measuring, but there are so many variables. In political science you need to learn to live with paradoxes, and this may be one.
Either way, I believe we should keep voting; they are paying attention.
There is a whole calendar
There is still a primary, but the incumbent has only lost his party's nomination 4 times, only Democrat Franklin Pierce in 1856 was elected the other 3 ascended from Vice President. It has never happened since the modern primary system was created in the 1970s.
More than fine!
If any American ever has any questions about the Weimar Republic and why Germans didn't stop Hitler when they still had a chance to do so, just point them to the run up to the 2024 presidential election. People who secretly want fascist leaders will always have an excuse, if one goes away, they already have another excuse waiting.
Everyone knows the Weimar Republic was funding a genocide before they elected Hitler. It’s in the history books, page 420. /s
and did that genocide get worse under Hitler, or ridiculously worse under Hitler? Page 69 will shock you.
Yes and these people become excessively angry with you when you point it out. Their goal isn't really to find a solution, it is to express discontent. They are divorced enough from reality that when you mention that Trump would be worse, they tend to lash out at you instead.
Ha I was debating (?) some gradbears with the argument that not voting against Donnie would result in more suffering but their replies can be summed up as "not my problem, I'd feel worse if I did"
The irony of literally anyone (eligible) not voting for Biden specifically because of his handling of the Gaza situation
I left my primary ballot blank. There was nobody on the ticket who wasn't going to continue the genocide (with perhaps Marianna Williamson as an exception, but I'm not indulging her vanity campaign). Come November, I suspect I'll be in the same spot. Two candidates who are endorsing genocide, with the caveat that one is waving an Israeli sports pennant while the other repeatedly insists he feels really bad about it.
I hate this timeline and I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
Swing by Gaza. We'll sell the Israelis the next round of ammo used to wipe you off the face of the Earth.
It's a good thing that the only responsibility of a US president is deciding what to do about Israel.
If they were the only person able to veto something like a national abortion ban, or legislation criminalizing trans people, it would really mess with your calculus.
Hey don't blame them they just learned about Kony sorry Palestine and now it's the make or break thing for them
It’s a good thing that the only responsibility of a US president is deciding what to do about Israel.
Hey now, that's not true. He's also responsible for getting his Too Woke judicial nominees filibustered, appointing a bunch of corporate flacks to the Federal Reserve, doing photo ops at the US-Mexico border while wearing tacti-cool kit and frowning through a pair of binoculars, and fucking up the handling of the next environmental / weather disaster. And who can forget the most important job of any President? Fundraising!
If they were the only person able to veto something like a national abortion ban
Then we're already fucked, because that would imply all this hemming and hawing about abortion being a losing issue for Republicans failed to pan out and now a bunch of sadistic right-wing fucks are crowding into the House and Senate.
If 2024 was the last election ever, then your logic makes complete sense, and I get to liberals every election is the last election ever, despite us seeing Trump's desperate and flawed attempts at seizing power. He didn't get more intelligent in the last 4 years or learn from his mistakes.
Imagine a crazy, crazy world, where Trump wins in 2024 and there's a 2028 election. I know this is hard for some moderate libs to fathom, but you should recognize it as a real possibility.
If it's incredibly clear that Biden lost because he's Genocide Joe, then the next Democratic candidate might be someone younger who is ready to end the genocide (which the U.S is perfectly capable of single-handedly doing).
I've met people online that absolutely refuse to even acknowledge this is a possible world. They think Genocide Joe is the absolute best, pro-Gaza leader the Democratic party could ever put forth, and that losing elections due to issues like supporting genocide could never change the rhetoric and actions of future candidates in the party.
It's fucking mind-numbing how little thought people put into this. Like I'm happy to agree that in a world where Trump wins, the years 2024-2028 are going to be worse in about every conceivable way, but then as we get into 2028 and beyond, there are scenarios that play out better for leftists in that world (e.g we get an anti-genocide, socialist leftist instead of some moderate Republican who is a reincarnation of Biden except on some social issues). The fact that moderate libs REFUSE to acknowledge this possibility is fucking exhausting.
And I'm not saying that it's guaranteed to be better 2028 and beyond, it's absolutely not, nobody can make guarantees about the future, but there is undeniable potential value in having Biden lose this election when you look beyond the next 4 years.
Politicians cater to the people who vote. If Democrats lose this November and there is an election 2028 they are going to look at the people who voted in 2024 and 2026 and try to get those people's votes. If progressives don't vote in the general election this year Democrats won't waste time on them and will instead focus on conservative voters. Not voting will drive the Democratic party further to the right.
Withholding our votes doesn't lead to better election outcomes. Voting should be a simple mechanical choice to pick the lesser evil. If people want better candidates then they need to do the work between elections. Refusing to vote and trying to lower voter turnout sets us back. Losing in 2024 will mean America becomes a fascist dictatorship. There is no value in letting the Republicans win.
I didn't say withhold your vote, go vote for Jill Stein.
It's sad that you have to resort to a strawman to make a coherent argument against me. This is the only response to me that's coherent, I just wish it was a coherent point against an actual position of mine, instead of a made-up position you fabricated.
If 8% of the vote goes to someone who has been openly anti-Israel and pro-Palestine, while crowds are chanting against genocide Joe, it'll send a pretty clear signal to Democrats what they need to do.
Hoping you'll apologize for the unnecessary strawman honestly, it's needlessly exhausting to have to deal with all the inane shit everyone is throwing my way, only to then have to deal with a coherent comment put together against a point I didn't even make.
I didn’t say withhold your vote, go vote for Jill Stein.
Jill Stein has no chance of winning. She is a spoiler for Joe Biden and so voting for her is, for the purpose of counting the difference in votes between Trump and Biden, the same as not voting. We have a two party, first-past-the-post, political system where Republicans benefit from low voter turnout. So Trump benefits from anyone not voting for Biden.
It’s sad that you have to resort to a strawman to make a coherent argument against me.
A strawman is an argument that argues against a different, usually weaker, position rather than the other argument's actual position. However if the two positions are in fact equivalent, such as not voting and voting for third party spoiler candidates, then the argument is not a strawman.
If 8% of the vote goes to someone who has been openly anti-Israel and pro-Palestine, while crowds are chanting against genocide Joe, it’ll send a pretty clear signal to Democrats what they need to do.
100,000 people already voted uncommitted in the Michigan Democrat primary, with more in other Democrat primaries undoubtedly on the way. The point has been made and no new information will be gained from any third party voter turnout in November. There is no reason why the Democrats cannot change course on Palestine and Israel right now. This would be much more beneficial, to the Palestinians, than waiting through a Trump presidency to finally get help to them in 2028.
Hoping you’ll apologize for the unnecessary strawman honestly,
My argument is that letting Trump win is not only unacceptable, but is counterproductive to the progressive causes your argument claims will benefit from such a scenario. The Democrats will respond to low voter turnout from progressives by shifting to the right to capture more conservative voters. This is a refutation of you argument's central point.
it’s needlessly exhausting to have to deal with all the inane shit everyone is throwing my way
There were nothing but solid replies to your comment. I implore you to reconsider.
I am a leftist and the democratic party is no friend of mine. That said:
I have lost a portion of my bodily autonomy due to republican policies. People I know have avoided getting reproductive care due to draconian republican laws in my state, and lack of control of medical records. Electing a republican will further erode rights for 50% of the nation. Yes, I am talking about women's reproductive health.
Republicans are erroding the safety and rights of LGBTQ+ people, in my state and elsewhere. I cannot abide a future where they are able to do this federally.
Republicans are directly attacking our electoral processes and our partisan supreme court refuses to engage in a timely matter. A bush/gore sort of election issue will send our nation into chaos, or direct civil war. You wish us to imagine a future in which trump wins and there is a 2028 election. I can't imagine a future where a republican government respects democracy that would allow for a possibility for a democratic (let alone an actual left party) candidate to win. The republican party is no longer a neolib party, they are a party of fascists up for sale to the highest bidder.
Trump will not just merely support Israel's genocide. The middle east becomes more and more volatile each day. Remember: Trump had an Iranian general assassinated. I think it's quite likely we will be dragged into a horrible, hellish war. No heroes, no winners, just unimaginable carnage and human suffering.
If anyone attempts to engage me with accelerationist rhetoric, know that I will ignore you. I refuse to engage with anyone who believes that an increase in violence is somehow beneficial. You have no idea what you're asking for, and a glorious leftist revolution is not a possible outcome here.
In your scenario there would be no Gaza to save in 2028.
False premise.
You're speaking in certainties when you cannot. The genocide has been perpetuated, on and off, for 75 years. This is the most killing we've seen in the region in a short span of time, but we have seen figures close to this in the past 75 years.
Of course there's a world where Trump is elected, and successfully aids Israel in the extermination of the Palestinians. But you have to admit that that world isn't a certainty, even if Trump is elected.
There's also a world where Biden is reelected, his campaign keeps greenlighting the genocide with periodic rhetorical criticism, and then some other fascist Republican or moderate fiscal conservative Democrat comes in in 2028 and finishes the job (the Democrats now emboldened to further ignore the genocide because it costs them nothing).
It's easier online to speak in certainty about the future, I understand that, but please if you're going to bother engaging please don't do it in bad-faith and actually admit where your knowledge ends. You're not clairvoyant.
Of course there’s a world where Trump is elected, and successfully aids Israel in the extermination of the Palestinians. But you have to admit that that world isn’t a certainty, even if Trump is elected.
You just need to read the headline to this post, not even the article, to see where this argument is a non starter.
Don't you think Egypt will let in refugees when Trump greenlights a Supergenocide?
Removed, rule 3:
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Look up Project 2025. There will not be a 2028 election if Trump wins 2024. One Day Dictator Donnie won't stop at one day.
He already tried to seize the capital through force. He has failed, he was the president for 4 fucking years and couldn't figure out how to dismantle the government. He's incredibly incompetent, I don't know why every liberal in the world is clutching their pearls like he's some kind of mastermind who grew and learned how to overthrow the country.
Trump is a figurehead. The man himself is nothing. If her gets elected, the smart people behind him who actually DO learn from past mistakes will have four years to reshape the government, and last time, things moved FAST.
Not voting does not send the message you think it does. It sends the message that you're fine with the status quo and content to sit home and let things play out. "Protest" voting in the final election within a 2 party system is the same as not voting. It's winner take all, and nothing else matters to these people.
It's not like he's the one coming up with the plan. Project 2025 was written by much more cunning schemers. There are people who saw him fail to take the capital by force, and now seek to enable his success next time.
Lol he already got the supreme court running interference for his attempted coup. Do you think the country is safe?
Project 2025. Downvote me. Shit on my very existence. But read what is planned.
"I don't want to live on this planet anymore..." oh please, just stop. How horrible is your life? You sound like a whiny liberal. People are dying all over the world, being murdered for religious beliefs, sexual preference, politics...etc...and you don't want to live because "that big bad republican might become President.." Please...
You sound like a whiny liberal.
New here?
Trump also repeatedly claimed that if he were president, there would be no war between Israel and Gaza. “It would have never happened if I was president,” he said of Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack against Israel, in which more than 1,100 Israeli and foreign nationals were killed. “They wouldn’t have done it to me, I guarantee you that. They did this because they have no respect for Biden and frankly they got soft,” he added.
uh huh
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They would never have done it if he was president. They only attacked because of biden.
A week ago, the difference between the two would have been that Trump would enable Israel in every way, while Biden would enable Israel in every way, but staffers would leak stories about how much Biden didn't like Netanyahu from time to time. Now, Biden has started sending aid to Gaza while Harris is calling for a ceasefire, and this is entirely because 100K voters in Michigan voted uncommitted. When done properly, threatening to withhold your vote can be an effective way to make your voice heard.
I think you make a great point, but I would add a caveat. There IS a difference between Biden and trump. One will listen to protesters, and the other won't. You can pressure Biden and he will change his position because he seems to care what voters think, and Trump doesn't.
Yeah, I agree with that. And, to be clear, I think there have always been tons of differences between Biden and Trump on almost every issue besides Israel/Gaza. I was just saying that, on this single issue, the difference between Biden and Trump would have been mostly rhetoric, not policy, up until the Michigan primary voters convinced Biden to change. I definitely didn't mean to imply they were generally the same.
Now, Biden has started sending aid to Gaza
But he hasn't stopped sending weapons to Israel
it was brought on by people threatening to withhold their vote.
Its definitely been a wake-up call to the party. Watching Biden shed 20% of Democratic voter turnout in a fucking primary is something. Obama and Clinton never had these kinds of problems in '12 and '96. And guys that did - Carter getting burned by Ted Kennedy in '80 and Bush to Buchanan in '92 - should have been a warning to the party as a whole.
this is entirely because 100K voters in Michigan voted uncommitted
Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.
To be clear, I have no problem with people in Michigan voting uncommitted, I just don't think you can draw that line.
Biden's entire approach to Isreal changed almost on a dime after that primary. He started aid drops to Gaza, Kamala Harris suddenly started using the word, "ceasefire," he brought Netanyahu's chief opponent to discuss the humanitarian crisis in Gaza...Biden obviously didn't come out and say, "I'm changing my approach to Isreal because I'm afraid of losing Michigan," but it's pretty clear why this shift is occurring.
The 'uncommitted' voters will think that they changed Biden's mind, but most likely he was going to start sending aiding to Gaza anyway. He doesn't like Netanyahu and probably genuinely does want peace.
At the same time the 'uncommitted' stunt has turned voters against Biden. Remember the average voter is functioning at grade 8 or grade 6 level. Educated voters will see this as the political maneuvers that it is, the average 'grade 6' mental age voter will think 'Biden sucks', and not vote.
Letting Trump in
Winner-take-all electoral college means you never really had a voice in the matter.
You should have moved to a Blue State before 2020, so your physical presence could be used to tip how many electoral votes that state produced, if you really cared about stopping Trump in 2024. That's the only consequential method of putting a (very tiny) finger on the scale of a Presidential contest.
Wouldn't it make more sense to move to a swing state and try to tip it blue?
Edit: tip it blue
From a population perspective, it wouldn't matter. Your best bet would be to find a bright blue state that is on the cusp of getting a new house seat. That would boost up the EC total for the state and guarantee consistent adds to Team Blue. Moving to a purple state and hoping you are THE swing voter mostly just means you make the state more valuable to invest in by the various campaigns. You're still going to be functionally feeding Red Team during red election waves (which blue needs votes the most) when your view is most likely to be in the minority.
Color me surprised that the facist sympathizes with other fascists committing a genocide.
You're wrong about the border. One of his main shticks is immigrates invading the country over the southern border. If they passed the border bill, and Biden shut down the border, he loses a huge talking point with his base and a huge fear of theirs that he can prey on.
He didn't block it because Democrats were for it, he blocked it because he doesn't actually care about protecting his base from any invasion, he cares only about himself.
You'll see that he'll keep talking about the border.
He didn't block it because Democrats were for it, he blocked it because he doesn't actually care about protecting his base from any invasion, he cares only about himself.
That's a lot of words to say that trump tanked the border deal because the Democrats were ok with it.
No, it's saying he tanked it because he wants to border to be open because he believe it helps him win.
Hell, the Democrats aren't even "for it" it was just compromise...or really I think it was a political move to take that away from trump and get what they think is important (support for Ukraine).
Again, just watch, he'll hammer on the border over and over again during the general election. At that point will you admit I'm right?
No, I'm not saying that. Feel free to read my clarification again.
(Edit) Sorry thought this was in the same chain. No, I'm not saying that. I'm saying he wants the border open because he thinks it helps him win. he isn't vocally against border security now, he'll continue to hammer away at it because its red meat for his base. He's against it getting closed because then he can't hammer away at it.
He didn’t block it because Democrats were for it, he blocked it because he doesn’t actually care about protecting his base from any invasion, he cares only about himself.
It's worse than that. Far right extremist politicians want the country to suffer. The worse it is, the better they are doing. So he's not only not caring about people suffering but he wants them to suffer!
Shipping weapons used in genocide is supporting genocide and you know it.
EDIT: I can't read apparently.
I've asked it before, but I wonder how Hitler would react to Israel. Probably be beaming with pride, like a master does when their apprentice surpasses them. I imagine when Netanyahu finally shuffles his way off this mortal coil, and his soul goes wherever Hitler's is, Adolf will probably shake his hand.
Unless I'm getting wooshed on sarcasm.... you realize Israel is full of the descendants of the Jewish people Hitler displaced, right?
In the magical world of Lemmy, it's perfectly ok to compare Israel to Nazis. This place is like a bad trip sometimes.
Given that Trump is running in the Republican primary, I'm unsure how this would effect anyone voting uncommitted in a Democratic primary?
This would be a much more productive conversation if you didn't just invent things I didn't say to argue with. I've implied no such thing.
I am explicitly using the Democratic primary as a method to express my displeasure with Biden, which you may recognize as the sole reason primaries exist. I'm increasingly confused by how many people seem to not understand that.
Will voting uncommitted or for the crazy crystal healing lady lead to the Democrats having a component and popular general election candidate come November? No, sadly, but that's a criticism of the state of our decayed democracy not giving voters meaningful avenues to enact change in society, not a criticism of the electoral strategies that have to exist within said decayed democracy.
Will voting uncommitted or for the crazy crystal healing lady lead to Biden making meaningful changes in his stances regarding Palestine? Given his change in messaging from the guy that bypassed Congress to sell Israel munitions two months ago to someone that now doing the bare minimum of at least air dropping (nowhere near sufficient) food supplies to Gaza, the answer to that is seemingly a slight yes. Which has the benefit of aligning the presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee with the majority of voters, making him a stronger general candidate.
You know. The whole point of a primary. So, you're welcome?
I’m increasingly confused by how many people seem to not understand that.
Me too, and I'm Canadian and don't know much about US politics. Are there sources out there (e.g., US news, social media campaigns, messaging from actual Democrats) spreading the idea that an uncommitted vote in the primary means voting for trump in the election?
Remember Trump isn't on the democratic ballot. You can't vote against him until November. Your only choice in the primaries is to vote for Biden or vote that you are here for the other progressive and democratic choices down ballot but Biden has to earn that commitment by doing something against his own personal desire to be a Zionist and instead help starving children get food.
Uncommitted doesn't mean I'm never going to vote for Biden. It just means he has to earn it through action.
Sure, but how many people are casting uncommitted or seeing how unpopular Biden is and are going to stay home in November because of it? My guess is not zero.
I get the protest and the timing, but it’s unclear if it’s really inoffensive in the general.
You don't get the protest then!
If Biden fears this uncommitted vote movement then he will have to do something to stop it in its tracks.
Using his power to stop the weapons and money transfers to Israel and using the words Ceasefire Now would be a start. If he starts doing concrete actions to stop ten year old children wasting away and dying of starvation then the uncommitted vote movement would be over.
Then it sounds like Biden needs to take a firm anti-genocide stance to get those voters to actually vote, no? Do you think the number of Biden voters would decrease if Biden stopped the genocide?
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Oh I don't doubt that the "uncommited" oppose Trump, too. The problem is the Genocide Joe rhetoric and other similar bullshit. You push that narrative and it may very well have lingering effects in Trump's favor during the general election. Maybe in other elections it didnt matter quite as much, but this is Trump were talking about. Why do you and others like you not get that? Hello, knock, knock. Trump is fully embracing the Hitler playbook and aiming to be president of the Most Powerful Nation on Earth. And you want to bitch about Biden? At this moment...? SMH, it is your sort of fractious indiscipline and short-sightedness that allows fascism to gain power, laughing all the way at your stupidity and inability to mount a coherent defence of democracy. You think you have nothing to lose, but you do. Things can get much, much worse.
In the primary? Absolutely. It's the only way I can demand more from Biden as a representative. These are voters who went out of their way to get up and vote for the democratic primary, just not for Biden. This is a huge way to put pressure on Biden and the DNC. These are committed voters protesting within the democratic party. This is the only way democratic voters can put pressure on Biden to change course.
The National is very different, we don't have a choice but to vote for Biden or domestic fascism. I will of course vote for Biden and urge others to as well during the National election. Not a third party or Trump in the National, Biden is the only real option.
This is the reality of our shitty FPTP democracy.
A lot of uncommitted voters are going to vote for Biden out of harm reduction. They might vote against AIPAC-endorsed candidates if they only have Democrats in their ballots. I know I would, but if there is a Republican, I'd have to vote for an AIPAC-endorsed democrat.
Yep. Voted no preference today and the most progressive candidates down ballot. My conscience is clear.
You're like those dudes who post anonymously things like "I'm totally 100% straight but occasionally I like sucking a dick"
That didn’t factor into my vote because I’m not homophobic.
Perhaps it's because you're too dumb to understand the concept of an analogy.
Yes lol. If you can't run a candidate that isn't whole heartedly in on genocide, then you shouldn't expect votes from people who don't like said genocide. The dems clearly don't actually give a fuck about democracy, why not actually throw that antipopulism behind a candidate who actually appeals to people. "Still uncommited" haha GTFO. Yell at the people actually choosing the candidate, not the people who don't want to vote for the meat puppet. I mean...Jesus fucking Christ.
Purity test😂
You'd be better off yelling at the people who are pushing the worst possible candidate against Trump. Let's pretend you convince me to vote, congrats you've convinced 1 person in the interwebs. Write to your reps...ramp up the pressure and forget about me. Biden's losing with or without my vote, it's a good bet. When that happens you can blame people that didn't want to vote , or you can blame the party that's shooting itself in the dick...over...and over again. I know who will get blamed, and I don't give a fuck.
In all honesty I think if Trump was president right now, not only would I have been shot about 2 years ago (lots of Trump assholes around me and I was pretty vocal on the town page when I was on FB back in 2020), we absolutely would have boots on the ground in Gaza.
"Captain! Captain they're shooting at us!"
Yeah, plenty of likely Brownshirts around me, and they may get the drop, but I'm not harmless.
Thankfully we’ve had four more years to get more people armed. A lot of us are no longer unable to defend ourselves and our communities.
But also guns bad
- leftists liberals
If trump was president right now, democrats would be at least more harshly condemning his actions in Gaza because it wouldn't be politically expedient for them to downplay their complicity in genocide to maintain their current level of comfort and power. Gotta keep that machine running no matter what, I guess.
Ummm. They would be dead. They constructed gallows outside the capital on Jan 6th to hang Mike Pence. What makes you think any democrats would have survived to even see the Gaza war?
Oh man and Trump is only more pissed now since feeling like he didn't get to be the biggest man, and get his easy win election.
If that wasn't true before it definitely feels that way now.
I was thinking more so if Trump won the election rather than succeeded the insurrection, but I'll give you that. Fascists are gonna fascist. I just don't see any way to stop creeping fascism so long as people are downplaying atrocities for the sake of damage reduction. We're going to end up with fascism regardless since we're doing nothing to prevent it.
I'm not a Democrat, but I would be at war. If having a right to vote is the hill I die on so be it.
It's not much, but at least Biden is malleable on this. He can be persuaded to make the attempt to try to slow the Israelis down, maybe even stop arms shipments to Israel altogether (or at least add conditions). If Trump comes in, he'd probably go in the complete opposite direction out of spite for liberals and would try to help the Israeli genocide even harder. It's not a great choice, but the choice of least harm in this case is still Biden.
Israel is not the only problem in that area, mind you. Just wanting them to stop what they're currently doing fixes nothing in the large picture.
Hamas deciding to surrender and Palestine somehow waking up seems like the best option, but I don't see how that could happen. And Israel's actions are not helping that of course.
He sure needs to "commit suicide" via 3 shots into the back of the head.
That might spark a civil war as his followers lash out, at the very least a wave of terrorism for the death of their messiah
Me thinks it would be the fastest civil war in history.
My estimation of how this might go: Goods stop arriving in stores, diabetics can't get insulin, critical infrastructure gets targeted first. Good luck maintaining internet connectivity. The masses would do more damage to themselves than either political opposition.
Would be fun to shrug it off like that but they are infested in the military, courts, police, and the Republican party
You can look at the history of white America getting away with murders of coloured folk to see why it is a scary prospect
Oh, I'm by no means shrugging it off. Thousands would die. I'm simply saying, it would end quickly and stupidly. We are too interdependent on our institutions to have an effective civil war.
It would also take a seperate opposing body to attack another. How would republican actors know who is ideologically to the left of them?
Unless they employ some type of guerilla warfare but, I don't think there are enough people committed to trump to get that done effectively.
We're near the cusp anyway, though not on the precipice. The worst thing though is knowing the Maga cult is likely to try and rise up if anything happens to Trump they don't like, including not winning the Presidency. This is depressing because on the other hand I do NOT foresee the Left doing the same.
They should.
They won't though.
And people think Democrats will vote on support Trump because Biden won't denounce Israel...
It's at least in part Russian propaganda. They don't want people to vote for Trump, they do want democratic voters to not vote at all, which will help Trump get elected.
Look at the people pushing the 'genocide Joe' thing. Invariably they're anti-NATO and make excuses for Iran, Syria and Russia. Not that they're doing it deliberately, but plenty seem to have bought the propaganda and are acting like useful idiots by spreading it.
Anytime someone goes to name calling I assume they are a bad actor. We can have a serious discussion on the matter without devolving into name calling so I just assume they are trying to sew discord more than anything else.
It’s at least in part Russian propaganda.
But you'll use that as the excuse every time someone says they won't be voting for Biden right?
The problem you run into with this excuse is regardless of where the ideas are coming from or who is amplifying them you and many others are clearly concerned about the upcoming election. Biden won the 2020 general election so that means you're worried there are people who voted for Biden in the 2020 general election and won't vote for him in 2024. If they're leftists or progressives that means staying home, voting 3rd party or writing in.
So here's a crazy idea: find a compromise. Leftists and progressives have raised multiple reasons they are frustrated or even angry at Biden. Why not yield to some of those objections? Frankly, the fact that discussions about giving progressive and leftist voters what they want in order to gain votes get so heavily down voted feels like the real PsyOP. Especially when the people downvoting simultaneously talk about the wonders of democracy and compromise. Here's just a few ideas Biden could do today:
- Biden has been providing Israel weapons without congressional approval. That means he could stop. Today. Do that.
- Biden blocked the rail strike by forcing a contract unions had voted against down their throat. That contract expires at the end of this year meaning they could strike again in 2025. Biden could promise to veto any attempts to block a rail strike in his next term.
- Biden forced federal workers back to the office. He could reverse that.
- Biden could publicly shame Powell and Yellen for attacking American worker wages.
It's hard to take people seriously when they talk about how important democracy is but sneer at the very idea of sacrificing any policy positions in order to court voters sitting to the left of Biden.
Without taking a position on what you're saying, do you think it's at all possible that making those choices could lose more voters than they'd gain? I honestly don't know, but changing a position on any issue runs the risk of losing votes as well.
do you think it’s at all possible that making those choices could lose more voters than they’d gain?
Yes. You take a risk either way.
thank you
Do you want to mock my understanding of politics or do you want my vote? You can't have both.
Its at least in part Russian propaganda. They don’t want people to vote for Trump, they do want democratic voters to not vote at all
you're making this up
you’re making this up
none of your links support a claim that russia is using the conflict in israel to favor one candidate or another.
no one is threatening to vote for Trump because of biden's genocidal proclivities. since nobody's doing that, none of them can be Russian agents. you made this up.
It's fine I guess, I'm not a Russian or Chinese shill lmao. I guess I was technically a social democrat, then I thought humanity would be okay in small tribal communes, but now I think humanity should go extinct in order to save the remaining animals we haven't already driven to extinction. For sciences sake.
They will. By not voting for either.
Man, I was worried for a second he would take the opposite stance.
I'm really torn on this one. On the one hand, Republicans ALWAYS take the exact opposite stance of Democrats so they can set up the argument as "Democrats bad" but on the other hand Trump is such a massive pile of shit that he would totally be for "bombing dark skinned people" just because.
Man who some have called a fascist, backs a genocide.
It's the final solution in maga speech
I think here he is thinking of "finish" in the sense of "finishing off", not in the sense of "finishing up with". He is not wishing for Israel to "solve" the issue, he is calling for them to kill all Palestinians.
At least in my reading.
I don't think he walks in there with notecards, no. I think he's in the habit of trying to talk like Stringer Bell about things after decades of being a modestly successful white collar criminal. I think that at this point answering questions with vague phrases isn't a conscious strategy so much as just part of who he is.
It's just an awkward rephrasing to avoid the words "final solution", which is what he really wanted to say, but that's still a bit too mask off for now.
if you haven't caught on to Trump's imply/deny strategy yet then I think you're a very fine person who needs to stand back and stand by
Jesus fuck trump is one dumb mother fucker. So many dipshits were gonna not vote for Biden because of his non committal bullshit when it comes to Gaza. Which, ill admit, is annoying me as well but obviously not so much I'm gonna not vote.
Then this orange fuck comes along and makes sure to push those people back to Biden.
If he comes out saying anything other than "kill all the brown people, especially the children" his base will get suspicious.
Holy shit, what a moron. Biden should really send a thank you card for that nice little gift.
The general election will be a competition between two senile goons shouting "I love Israel more than you!" at one another from across a debate stage.
Then we'll all get an earful about how voting is a civic duty and you need to choose which one is the lesser of the two evils.
Trump is so dumb he destroys the carefully crafted russian narrative that actually might have won hin that whole thing, because some leftist are just to dumb. It's stupidity all the way down and up.
I don't have a lot of faith in the D establishment, but I'm pretty sure their number crunchers know what they're doing.
I mean I would think so too, but they are running the oldest candidate with the lowest approval rating against a deeply unpopular candidate, and losing quite handedly in the polls.
So I don't actually think they know what they are doing.
If Biden loses, save this comment as we will be getting a lot of books from staffers full of texts worried about this very thing.
The uncommitted were always derpy for ignoring the obvious. Now what will they do with their time?
Voting noncommitted in the Primary is the least derpy or ignorant thing you could possibly do in this situation. They weren't voting Biden vs Trump, that's not how primaries work, they were voting Biden vs literally any other Democrat and chose the latter.
Nope, it was a complete waste of time that turned easily affected and even derpier uncommitted to never vote. Shooting themselves in the foot is nothing to be proud of.
LMAO, get real.
LMAO, real get.
What do you think the point of a primary is, if not for voters to express there views to their political party?
Trump isn't running in the Democratic primary ffs.
Snore...
Yeah, no kidding he would. All the tankies acting like "both sides" is a legit position probably cannot see just how much worse he'll be...
The problem is religion.
Religion is the exuse.. It's neither the reason nor the problem.
Excuses are what enables something to happen even when the right solution is different.
I am not sure about your point. I think that we agree on this, but it sounds like you are making a counter argument.
If religion was the reason, then this genocide would happen everywhere and all the time.
You could argue that it does or at least did. But in this case and in most modern day cases. the true motives are not religion and genocides would have happened even if there was no religion. In the Israel Vs Hamas, the conflict is not religion. It is the right to exist Vs the right to land. Some may have used religion as a historic backdrop, but this has nothing to do with religion.
When Hamas members say that they want to genocide all the Jews they are saying it's a religious thing. And they have been saying that for all my conscious life. Meanwhile Israel is motivated by religion to insure their God given territory is kept safe and are willing to genocide any group that threatens them. Both parties are motivated to use religion as an excuse for genocide. This is, at its very core a religious conflict.
Erosion of ethics on the use of force rather.
For just a few decades there was an illusion of "the West" having some success in making those ethics the baseline.
Repatriation is the term. Jews do, after all, originate from Judea and Samaria. I hope you are not going to argue with that.
Modern state of Israel is younger, but there were Jewish states there in antique times destroyed by force. I hope you are not going to argue with that either.
These things said, that's not quite the approach Israeli elites themselves take - they are exactly colonialist and proud of that, so probably that state should be cut down to something like "initial Zionist settlements plus Eilat with land connecting them and some farmland", that'd still be quite viable as a state due to sea and technological development.
There's a sense of desperation in that post. I think they can tell they're losing ground fast.
How tf is this even legal? This is literally foreign state-sponsored corruption.
Well... at least ... he's being honest?
Funny thing is that as far as I can remember, the alt/far right was for stopping all outflow of resources to Israel, until Trump came into power. I guess killing muslims became more crucial than killing jews.
Having Biden think you won't vote for him on Nov is a protest. Politicians don't want to lose power. Now will people actually stay home or vote for Trump? I'm guessing no.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Donald Trump is hoping to win big on Super Tuesday, and he kicked off the primary’s most vote-rich day with one of his favorite traditions from his time as president: calling in to Fox News to deliver an unhinged rant.
The former president called Fox & Friends on Tuesday morning, where he celebrated Monday’s Supreme Court decision barring states from removing him from the ballot, doubled down on his claims that migrants are “poisoning our country,” and declared that Israel has to “finish the problem” in Gaza.
“People are coming from jails and prisons, and mental institutions and insane asylums, and there are terrorists,” he said of undocumented migrants crossing the southern border into the United States.
As previously reported by Rolling Stone, Trump has basked in criticism of his rhetoric on immigration and privately vowed to take things even further.
Behind the scenes, Trump and his closest allies have been hard at work identifying legal loopholes that would allow them to carry out a hardline crackdown on undocumented immigration without needing to consult Congress.
As Rolling Stone reported in January, one such proposal includes the revival of the Alien Enemies Act, a zombie law that allows presidents to unilaterally authorize the deportation of foreign individuals.
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The Palestinians can stop the war in Gaza any minute. They could have stopped it yesterday. They could end it tomorrow. They could wlend it this very minute.
They could have had a Palestinian state. They could have a Palestinian state.
This is the ultimate truth that leftist media is working so hard to hide: The Palestinians don't want a Palestinian state. They want Israelis not to have one.
Doesnt he knows that his master, putin created that problem, to make west turn away from from ukraine?
Yeah, all this means is that for most of the voting public in the US, Israel is a non issue. Both parties actively support Israel, so if you're pro Israel it doesn't matter, if you're sympathetic to Palestine, you're either going to vote or you're not. It really is unfortunate, those people are over there getting killed by the thousands, and Americans have no political option to help them.
From most polls I've seen, the US public still generally backs Israel. Crucially, the voting public who, unlike our loud and demonstrative progressive wing, actually shows up to vote, tend to support Israel.
And we had options to help, it just required us to vote in the primaries (2016, 2020) despite not being a tik tok trend or whatever. Sanders wanted to cut military spending but the online and very vocal progressive wing didn't show up and vote for him.
It's sort of like not staying fit, eating poorly and not sleeping well and then wondering why you got hurt when you tried to play a sport with your healthier friends. These things take work/showing up well before they become a critical issue.
From most polls I've seen, the US public still generally backs Israel.
This seems a bit misleading. People want a permanent ceasefire, a two state solution, a stop to the indiscriminate bombing of Palestinian civilians and would like any aid to Israel to be dependent on them pledging not to occupy Gaza after the war. I don't think Israel agrees with any of that?
It’s sort of like not staying fit, eating poorly and not sleeping well and then wondering why you got hurt when you tried to play a sport with your healthier friends.
Damn, you didn't need to call me out like this
The DNC would prefer voters let them finish the problem.
Damm, the open fascist or the closet one?, definetly a hard choice.. this makes me question WTF America?
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Yeah but deciding not to vote for Biden just feels like a good trendy way to express my sympathies with Palestineans... /s
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