Anon wants American companies to make a good RPG

2 years ago by 🍹Early to RISA 🧉 to c/greentext

jabathekek 142 points 2 years ago

Anon baits people into recommending good RPGs

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Bonsoir 104 points 2 years ago

Fallout, Wasteland, The Elder Scrolls.
Also smaller games come to my mind, like Child of Light or South Park: The Stick Of Truth which are made by Ubisoft Montreal.

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loutr 49 points 2 years ago

Yeah, "western RPGs" from a couple decades ago were mostly made in the US. Then Bethesda bought interplay and it all went to shit.

And thanks for reminding me of Child of Light, I've had it in my library for ages, installing it to my steam deck right now :)

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Voroxpete 27 points 2 years ago

You're never gonna believe this friend, but Montreal is actually in Canada.

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pound_heap 31 points 2 years ago

Still not Europe or Asia, innit?

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echodot 0 points 2 years ago

Oh yes the three continents. Europe Asia and everywhere else.

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captainlezbian 27 points 2 years ago

Ah Canada famously not in the same continent as the United States. Absolutely not in the Americas

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ieatpwns 13 points 2 years ago

Fun fact Canada is in North America

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IsThisAnAI 1 point 2 years ago
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proceduralnightshade 25 points 2 years ago

Stick of truth was developed by Obsidian

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Bonsoir 9 points 2 years ago

You're right it was only published by Ubi. The Fractured but Whole was developed by Ubisoft*

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primrosepathspeedrun 12 points 2 years ago

well... fallout, wasteland.

pillars of eternity? I don't know if americans made it, but it was pretty intensely american.

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CommanderCloon 2 points 2 years ago

Fallout and TES are "alright" at most, and extremely boring theme parks at worst

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Kolanaki 69 points 2 years ago

Fallout? And I mean the Black Isle fallouts.

Speaking of Black Isle, they also did Planescape and Icewind Dale.

Also: Bioware made Baldur's Gate 1 and 2; they're Canadian not European. Unless they just mean 3.

And of course, the OG RPG: D&D. Pretty sure Gygax was American.

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bouh 17 points 2 years ago

After 20 years you need to do something new. You can't live forverer on your legacy.

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Neon 8 points 2 years ago

Swiss person here:

What's that supposed to mean?

Are you trying to say we aren't recognized as the supreme military power in Europe anymore?

Surely you're joking, right?!

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bouh -9 points 2 years ago

What the fuck does this mean? I mean that no studio in America did anything good in decades. Baldur's gate 2 was 2003. What good rpg was there? Mass effect was good. 2 and 3 didn't deliver to legendary grade. Bioware is dead. Blizzard is dead. Bethesda did nothing since skyrim.

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Neon 7 points 2 years ago

you can't live on your legacy forever

Was what i was playing on

The joke is that we Swiss have a glorious warrior-past that noone remembers anymore.

I was supporting your point with a joke. That's"the fuck" that it meant

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Paradachshund 7 points 2 years ago

Is Neverwinter nights American? That's a good one.

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ackthxbye 8 points 2 years ago

NWN1 was from Bioware, NWN2 from Obsidian. Both are from the USA, but NWN2 is nearly 20 years old by now.

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Paradachshund 4 points 2 years ago

I didn't know we were ignoring old games. It was just what came to mind, sorry.

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ackthxbye 4 points 2 years ago

I don't know what we are doing, but anon listed recent games ¯_(ツ)_/¯

(Although it irritates me to no end when people say "Baldurs Gate" while talking about BG3)

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Kolanaki 3 points 2 years ago

Bioware is from Canada, not the US.

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taladar 2 points 2 years ago

Still newer than the Infinity Engine games mentioned (BG1 & 2, Icewind Dale and Planescape Torment).

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BigBananaDealer 1 point 2 years ago

dont limit just to black isle fallouts lol

3 new vegas and 4 are great and even 76 is good

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phuntis 3 points 2 years ago

4 is not even remotely great it is genuinely awful 3 is fine I won't insult 3 I enjoyed it not as much as nv I loved nv but I enjoyed it it was good even but 4 is an insult

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Kolanaki 3 points 2 years ago

4 is a great shooter. It's a terrible RPG.

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BigBananaDealer 1 point 2 years ago

wow really cause i played 4 and it was a great time because the game was great. you must have a very high standard. never played a single game under 90 score on metacritic (but that would mean new vegas is worse than 4)

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Zanudous 3 points 2 years ago

As a big fan of fallout, imo, 4 is the weakest of series. Engine was outdated, repeated time wasting quests, boring world building, the base building was their new exciting feature but it fell kinda flat. Now with 1k+ mods game can actually be a lot fun though. Also 74 didn't exist.

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Kolanaki -1 points 2 years ago

Not even in the same league. Barely even RPGs. New Vegas is the best of them and it still pales in comparison.

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BigBananaDealer 1 point 2 years ago

didnt know it was contest of most rpg game and not just great game

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Kolanaki -2 points 2 years ago

Did you not even read the meme? It's about good RPGs.

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Wilzax 64 points 2 years ago

Intentionally lists RPGs not made in US

"Why doesn't my list have RPGs made in the US?!?"

ಠ_ಠ

Elder scrolls, Fallout, Red Dead Redemption, and Mass Effect would all like a word

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sugar_in_your_tea 8 points 2 years ago

RDR isn't an RPG, it's an action-adventure game.

I concur on the rest.

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Wilzax 8 points 2 years ago

I don't think those genres are mutually exclusive. I haven't played RDR1 but RDR2 is definitely an Action-Adventure RPG. You level up Arthur's stats throughout the game and can choose different moral paths that affect the ending. That's playing a role.

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sugar_in_your_tea 2 points 2 years ago

Likewise, I haven't played RDR2 (started, but never got past the first 30 min or so), but RDR1 is pretty much just GTA in the wild west. You can buy stuff (like GTA), but I don't recall any stats to speak of, it's very much an action-adventure. Wikipedia claims RDR2 is an action-adventure, so I assume it's closer to the Yakuza series in terms of character customization than RPGs, and Yakuza games are very much action-adventure (despite having some skills to level up).

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Daxtron2 1 point 2 years ago

Both RDRs do have stats though

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Wilzax 0 points 2 years ago

I mean, define 'RPG' because to me, any time you choose how your character evolves and grows as the game progresses through a story, that's an RPG.

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Cethin 3 points 2 years ago

Isn't RDR exactly as much of an RPG as Mass Effect. Neither gives you any real control over the main story, though I guess Mass Effect makes you think you do better. The sidequests are about as open, and neither do you get to choose your character.

I don't know if I do actually think RDR is an RPG, but that opinion is shared for Mass Effect, The Witcher, and so many others. They've taken the ability point systems from RPGs, but they're still action adventure games with RPG mechanics.

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sugar_in_your_tea 1 point 2 years ago

I consider Mass Effect and The Witcher to be action RPGs, more similar to games like Ys and Diablo than games like Elder Scrolls or Final Fantasy. The focus of those games are less on your character development (stats and whatnot) and more on the action, but the character development does matter quite a bit.

However, in RDR, your character development really doesn't matter at all, at least in the first, and I'm guessing the second as well.

So:

  • Mass Effect - ARPG
  • The Witcher - ARPG
  • RDR - action-adventure
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Cethin 1 point 2 years ago

There's more in 2 than 1 had. Most of it isn't magic, like The Witcher or Mass Effect (though Dead Eye I'd say is magic), but there are a bunch of skills to learn, as well as weapons to purchase that give essentially Stat upgrades and unlocks to find. They're more diegetic in RDR2 than the other games listed, but I'd say that's better for an RPG, not worse.

They are not ARPGs though. That's Diablo type games. They're Action Adventure games, with RPG elements. I don't think they should be classified with the RPGs because they have very different goals, even though they use similar mechanics.

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AFC1886VCC 44 points 2 years ago
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GoodEye8 26 points 2 years ago

Last mainline TES game is a decade old and Fallout 4 is also nearing that decade. Meanwhile almost all games in OPs list have released in the last decade.

There's Obsidian but besides them I really can't come up with another good RPG studio from the US that has released a game in the last decade.

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Zess 9 points 2 years ago

So what you're saying is that Bethesda are RPG hipsters.

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Lets_Eat_Grandma 4 points 2 years ago

Anything ever made by black isle studios. This includes fallout 1 + 2.

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TonyTonyChopper -2 points 2 years ago

also GTA

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RampantParanoia2365 23 points 2 years ago

GTA and RDR have zero decision making or conversation options or skill trees. They are open world action games that took some design notes from open world RPGs. But Rockstar is a British studio anyway.

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TonyTonyChopper -2 points 2 years ago

Yet another English L. USA number 1

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TheKingBombOmbKiller 41 points 2 years ago

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Mass Effect yet. Or Dragon Age, even with a picture of a cosplay of Morrigan in the OP.

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Soleos 16 points 2 years ago

BioWare is Canadian

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WldFyre 12 points 2 years ago

If Elden Ring is Canadian, and Witcher is European, then we can just call Bioware games North American

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Soleos 4 points 2 years ago

Of course, it makes perfect sense to describe Canadian products as North American, but OP asks about "American" RPGs. It would be strange to call Canadian Bacon "American food".

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sugar_in_your_tea 2 points 2 years ago

Idk, Canadian Bacon is pretty essential for Hawaiian pizza, and last I checked, that's absolutely an American thing.

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Peddlephile 6 points 2 years ago

I thought that was the joke.

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Zagorath 34 points 2 years ago

Pathfinder - Asia

Uhh, no? Paizo is an American company. Based in Redmond, Washington, according to Wikipedia.

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dabu 44 points 2 years ago

I think they meant Owlcat Games, creators of Pahtfinder Kingmaker and Wrath of the Righteous video games. They are based in Cyprus but their developers are all over the place from what I know (so it's more Europe-Asia kind of thing but I may be wrong)

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Tar_alcaran 13 points 2 years ago

Honestly, everyone's developers are all over the place. Almost every studio hires contractors from wherever to do things as basic as spell checking to pathfinding to artwork. Hell, sometimes they outsource story writing too.

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echodot 5 points 2 years ago

For RPGs they almost always outsource the writing. Crafting a good story is not really a skill that a lot of the major developers have a lot of call for (normally they just have you shoot the bad guys because) so they don't have people on staff for it. In RPGs stories are a lot more important though, so they actually have to put some effort in.

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Zagorath 1 point 2 years ago

Aren't most RPG video games developed by companies that primarily do RPG video games? Like, Warhorse was founded specifically to make KCD. Fallout Shelter is the only non-RPG Bethesda has developed since 2008. And The Witcher Adventure Game and the Gwent games are the only non-RPGs CD Projekt Red have ever done.

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alilbee 3 points 2 years ago

pathfinding

Pathfinders, you could say

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iAmTheTot 17 points 2 years ago

The post is clearly talking about video games. It is reasonable to conclude they are talking about the Pathfinder video games, which were not made by Paizo, but by Owlcat Games. Whether or not Cyprus is part of Asia is kind of debatable, but they are certainly not American.

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NigelFrobisher 31 points 2 years ago

It gets even worse when you know Europe and Asia are the same continent.

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echodot 17 points 2 years ago

Errh, sort of.

It really depends on your definition of Continent. Most people would argue that Asia is a different continent.

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sugar_in_your_tea 8 points 2 years ago

Our accepted definition of what a continent is sucks. Why is Europe considered a continent but India is not? Every argument for Europe being a separate continent applies even better to India.

Europe just wanted to be special and controlled science at the time, change my mind.

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fogstormberry 14 points 2 years ago

I propose we reclassify india as a dwarf continent

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deuleb_biezelbob 4 points 2 years ago

the pluto of continents

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Lumisal 1 point 2 years ago

It has to do with geology. Europe basically swallowed up and mixed in with another continent a long time ago after Pangea broke up

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sugar_in_your_tea 3 points 2 years ago

it really doesn't:

In contrast, the present eastern boundary of Europe partially adheres to the Ural and Caucasus Mountains, which is somewhat arbitrary and inconsistent compared to any clear-cut definition of the term "continent".

The current division of Eurasia into two continents now reflects East-West cultural, linguistic and ethnic differences which vary on a spectrum rather than with a sharp dividing line.

There's really no physical reasoning for it. You can read on in that article for the historical basis if you want (basically, Homer and other Greeks coined it, and it just kind of stuck), but it's really quite arbitrary where scientists actually draw the line.

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yournamehere 1 point 2 years ago

india has HALF the landmass...seriously...thats not a continent

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sugar_in_your_tea 2 points 2 years ago

If we're going based on landmass, shouldn't Russia be its own continent? Russia is almost twice as big as Europe, and it's culturally unique compared to its neighbors.

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Ummdustry 5 points 2 years ago

I feel like most people actually don't care that much about Continental Boundries to give an Argument either way.

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jabathekek 5 points 2 years ago

Geologists, scornfully staring at you.

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Louisoix 28 points 2 years ago

Not including FF, Dragon Quest or Persona in Asian RPGs?? Blasphemy!

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Eiri 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah that's like saying "great Nintendo games like Splatoon". I mean i don't disagree, it's an imaginative game, but hello? Mario? Zelda?

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Tyr_Raidho_Othala 26 points 2 years ago

Well, the Diablo series was quite good

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Iheartcheese 42 points 2 years ago

was

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jabathekek 5 points 2 years ago

I blissfully remember getting my hands on the Hellfire expansion for the first one; I didn't even know it existed until my uncle gave it to me.

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primrosepathspeedrun 5 points 2 years ago

wasn't blizzard north canadian, though?

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Iheartcheese 5 points 2 years ago

When Canada makes good shit we just claim it as American. People rarely call us on it.

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primrosepathspeedrun 3 points 2 years ago

oh. okay then, yeah, diablo, fav game as a young kid, local california studio, whoo!

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Hector 2 points 2 years ago

I thought Canada's pride and glory was Eidos Montreal and now you're telling me Blizzard North was here too? Oh goodie!

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DarkThoughts 1 point 2 years ago
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primrosepathspeedrun 1 point 2 years ago

I know blizzard (main) was in anaheim. just south (and sprawling with, but in orange county so nobody sane would ever go there) of los angeles. might be what you're thinking of? but also you could be right, and it was in, like, glendale or some shit.

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DarkThoughts 2 points 2 years ago
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sugar_in_your_tea 1 point 2 years ago

?? DIsneyland is in Anaheim. Not sure why you imply it's an armpit.

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Buddahriffic 2 points 2 years ago

WoW was pretty good, too. Maybe too good. It had my hyper focus for like 4 years. I wish I could get a tenth as into games now as I was into WoW about 20 years ago.

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qarbone 23 points 2 years ago

Wants good RPGs

lists Solasta, one of the mid-dest games I've have the neutrality of playing

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starman2112 7 points 2 years ago

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NaibofTabr 22 points 2 years ago

Dungeons and Dragons

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jabathekek 6 points 2 years ago

The OG RPG.

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primrosepathspeedrun 12 points 2 years ago

yes but they said good.

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NaibofTabr 4 points 2 years ago

Exactly. All RPGs can trace their lineage back to Gygax.

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jabathekek 3 points 2 years ago

(☝◞‸◟)☞

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primrosepathspeedrun 1 point 2 years ago

there are some pretty cool people with some pretty terrible ancestors. I don't think you want to apply this logic; it gets real gross real quick.

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wowwoweowza 20 points 2 years ago

Wasn’t Gary Gygax American?

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Jiggle_Physics 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah, Americans created the RPG genre...

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Tylerdurdon 16 points 2 years ago

Is Rockstar US? I considered the red dead series a quite hellacious RPG. Is GTA an RPG?

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tagoth 32 points 2 years ago

Rockstar is a US company, but the developers of GTA are Rockstar North in the UK. They used to be their own company developing GTA, when they were bought by Rockstar.

Red Dead is definetly an american game though.

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echodot 12 points 2 years ago

Rockstar is a British company that has a studio in the US but they're not an American company. Rockstar North is their original studio.

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sugar_in_your_tea 1 point 2 years ago

Rockstar was British, but it's American now. HQ is in NYC, along with their parent company, Take Two.

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DarkThoughts 9 points 2 years ago
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sugar_in_your_tea 9 points 2 years ago

Red Dead is just GTA with horses and a way better story. Calling it an RPG is a massive stretch.

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ThisIsNotHim 0 points 2 years ago

What elements that you consider core to the genre is it missing?

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sugar_in_your_tea 3 points 2 years ago

Generally, RPGs involve character progression through stats, and RDR really doesn't have that. It's an action adventure game with an emphasis on storytelling.

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RampantParanoia2365 3 points 2 years ago

For an Action RPG, decision making, conversation options, and of course a skill trees are necessary. Basically you need to be able to shape your character to "play a role".

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RampantParanoia2365 12 points 2 years ago

I was going to say Horizon Zero Dawn, but Guerilla Games is Dutch.

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phuntis 15 points 2 years ago

hzd isn't an rpg

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RampantParanoia2365 5 points 2 years ago

I'd say it's just barely an Action RPG. But there's no real decision making in the story, or even an attempt at it like Mass Effect, The Witcher, Cyberpunk.

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DragonTypeWyvern -3 points 2 years ago

Other than the fact that it is. It's even got a skill tree and experience points...

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phuntis 4 points 2 years ago

and you can get all those skills and will before you even finish the game there's no choices in the story or even how the character fights really everyone playing hzd gets the same experience those are rpg elements but rpg elements doesn't make a game an rpg it's just triple a game design needing to have everything from every game ever

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hitsuji_nanka 2 points 2 years ago

Doesn't this definition exclude the first dragon quest from being an RPG?

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DragonTypeWyvern -12 points 2 years ago

Bro, you're wrong, cope.

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starman2112 -2 points 2 years ago

Role playing game just means it's a game where you play a role, right?

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tilefan 9 points 2 years ago

I seriously can't tell if that's cosplay or video game screenshot

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CommanderCloon 4 points 2 years ago

It'scosplay from dragon age origin

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Maggoty 2 points 2 years ago

Cosplay, from a North American RPG that's a classic.

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criss_cross 1 point 2 years ago

What game is it supposed to be?

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DragonTypeWyvern 9 points 2 years ago

It's Morrigan from Dragon Age.

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tilefan -1 points 2 years ago

no idea I don't play RPGs

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HEXN3T 6 points 2 years ago
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Coldgoron 5 points 2 years ago

There was once a game called Warcraft 3. I refuse to play the remake.

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Duamerthrax 25 points 2 years ago

That's an RTS anyway.

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KeefChief13 4 points 2 years ago

Wit da SKALD reference

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unknown1234_5 2 points 2 years ago

there's lots of other good ones under this thread but I'll add mass effect, specifically mass effect 2.

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RampantParanoia2365 1 point 2 years ago
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angstylittlecatboy 1 point 2 years ago
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figjam -5 points 2 years ago

Grand theft auto.

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echodot 14 points 2 years ago

But Rockstar are British. I know it is set in America, but Grand Theft Auto is by a British company.

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Sethayy 2 points 2 years ago

Hey maybe they're just trying to prove anons point more lmao

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figjam 1 point 2 years ago

Der, I'm dumb. Whoops.

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ZeroHora 4 points 2 years ago

and GTA is RPG since when?

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Etterra -6 points 2 years ago

America invented the entire RPG genre - thank you Steve and Dave (d&d). Anon isn't just wrong; he's a complete idiot.

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FatherGascown -13 points 2 years ago

Ameritards can't even handle being a country, let alone creating decent content.

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PenisDuckCuck9001 9 points 2 years ago

The job market is such that we're too busy fighting over scrap metal and food like it's the aftermath of an apocalypse. We don't time for fucking game development

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zalgotext 3 points 2 years ago

Yeah game devs get paid so little here, they're the ones fighting the hardest over the scrap metal and food

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